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Posted: 1/31/2009 11:25:24 PM | People are already talking that BJ broke/tore his shoulder in the first round.But as they say,sh*t happens.GSP looked great,I'm looking forward to seeing him fight Thiago Alves.
Lyoto Machida looked fantastic-Silva is a great fighter,and Machida made him look like a punching bag.It will be a crime if Machida doesn't get a title shot now.
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 1/31/2009 11:43:24 PM | BJ's camp is filing a complaint with the NSAC.They are saying that GSP had his back greased.
Way to be a bad loser BJ.
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/1/2009 12:37:32 AM | Called em both to a tee....Machida & Rashad will put on a good fight....and ultimately Machida will be the next dominant LHW king....
And in hidsight...this fight was hyped up WAY too much....I was surprised GSP talked about his strategy at the end....it shows the true brilliance that he fights with....would've liked to see him pick appart Penn a little more on the feet...but so be it...he still demonstrated total domination in most areas.....
Can't wait 'til he slaps an arm bar or kimura on Pitbull....
...and....IF he can overcome the size difference....his wrestling would pose a huge threat to the Spider....P4P arguments are a little silly....but you can definately say GSP is the most complete fighter in the game.....
I'd actually like to see Silva beat up GSP and retire undefeated in the octagon...both men are class acts...extremely humble...that's why they're the best....
....otherwise a garbage card....split decisions galore...and F*CK Clay Guida...Diaz got robbed.... | |
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JJD33
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/1/2009 12:39:29 AM | Kudos to GSP.. Great fight... whipped that ass... Cheers to those that called it 
It wouldn't have mattered if his back was covered in sand paper... He dominated Penn everywhere... awsome
Machida looked phenominal... I love the way that kid fight | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/1/2009 7:41:21 AM | Vids while they last:
http://mixedmartialartvideos.com/
My report:
Georges St-Pierre Vs. BJ Penn.
About what I expected. Similar to the first fight, only moreso. GSP is simply amazing - his work ethic and ability to improve is outstanding. BJ did indeed look sharp in the first round, but it was all GSP after that. Fourth round was just an unnecessary beatdown. I do think that if BJ's conditioning ever caught up with his skill, he would be unbeatable.
Lyoto Machida Vs. Thiago Silva
I am starting to come around a bit with Machida. While mantaining his trademark elusiveness, he offered just enough offense to keep from being boring. His accuracy and timing are simply incredible. When he bothers to strike, he hits. The last second KO will be a highlight reel mainstay.
Stephan Bonnar Vs. Jon Jones
I do rate this as fight of the night. Jones will be champion of the light-heavyweight division at some point. Amazing strikes (side kicks! spinning elbows!), combined with outstanding takedowns and wrestling. His momentum-switching takedowns and suplexes in the third round were unbelievable. Credit to Bonnar for his boxing and conditioning. His uppercuts were on the mark every time. And I dare say that if this had been a 5 rounder, Bonnar might have pulled it off - Jones was looking VERY tired by the end.
Karo Parisyan Vs. Dong Hyun Kim
I thought this was a very good fight - Kim looked SUPER-SHARP in the first round. Totally outclassed Karo. Props to Karo for pulling off the win. I am looking for Kim to be a strong force in WW division.
Nate Diaz Vs. Clay Guida
Sadly, didn't see this one. Surprised to read that Nate got dominated in this one - that is what HE has been doing to everyone else. I do like Guida, though. That guy is a machine - insane pace, and he just keeps it up. | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/1/2009 8:06:50 AM | Machida and GSP did great last night. Looking forward to GSP/Alves, and that should be a great fight. Machida should get Rashad next. Penn can go suck an egg if he wants to be a bad loser. I would give Florian and Sanchez good odds to beat Penn at this point, because Penn can't get his head right.
There is a good chance that Penn is going to become irrelevant (not want to fight anymore), and Sherk, Sanchez, and Florian will be in the running for the LW title. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2009 8:13:51 AM | ...BJ's camp is filing a complaint with the NSAC.They are saying that GSP had his back greased....
I think it was between 2nd and 3rd round when I noticed one of the ring guys was yelling at the GSP camp for something.
I could only hear them saying something to the effect "..he was just rubbing his back...", I think it was directed to someone behind the fence.
found this:
B.J. Penn's camp has filed a formal complaint with the Nevada State Athletic Commission over Vaseline that was allegedly rubbed on Georges St. Pierre's back between rounds one and two. UFC president Dana White said at the post-fight press conference that he was aware of the complaint, and said he personally witnessed members of the commission take the Vaseline away from GSP's camp and rebuke them in the Octagon between rounds.
"I saw the commission jump up there and flipping out," said Dana White. They said one of the guys was rubbing Vaseline on Georges' back in between rounds. It was one and two, I think."
"The guys from the athletic commission went up there and started screaming at them. Knocked the Vaseline and kicked the Vaseline out of the Octagon."
White added that "some Vaseline on a guy's back didn't change the outcome of that fight, but you don't do it," and said the blame should fall on the cornerman responsible and not GSP.
"If a guy was intentionally putting Vaseline on a guy's back, he should never corner a mixed martial arts fight again."
As for what becomes of the complaint now, White said it's out of his hands.
"Who knows. That's up to the commission."
http://www.cagepotato.com/bj-penns-camp-files-formal-complaint-over-vaseline-st-pierres-back-between-rounds
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Posted: 2/1/2009 10:16:02 AM | Ok, wait a second here. Your right, this DOES sound like sour grapes.
But, you guys honestly can sit here and say that trying to control a guy with vaseline on his back wouldn't affect the fight??
Would it have changed the outcome? Probably not. But it will affect the fight. | |
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JJD33
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/1/2009 10:25:59 AM | | of course it would affect your bottom game, and your clinch, a lot... and maybe there's a rematch because of it... who knows, I don't know if it's a game changer, maybe it is, i've never fought a greased up opponent, or heard of a fight where a fighter was caught getting vasolined like that, tho i'm sure it's not the first time or the last, but the title holder, that's kinda stupid if you asked me... makes gsp look like he needed the extra advantage when I don't think he did... and clearly in my eyes. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2009 11:13:29 AM | There are clips of the “greasing” on the internet so you can judge for yourself. The details may be a little hard to see on the small screen. I have watched the incident several times in high definition on a big screen and this is what I see. (Remember Vaseline applied to the face is legal as long as it is not excessive.)
In between the first and second round GSP is sitting on the stool and the corner man is kneeling in front of him applying Vaseline. The Vaseline is on the back of the corner man's left hand. He takes the finger tips of his right hand reaches over to the back of the left and then apply the Vaseline to GSP’s face. His uses the right hand to carefully apply all the Vaseline to both sides of the face. He applied a normal amount of Vaseline, certainly not excessive. He then takes both hands and rubs GSP face to make sure all the Vaseline is rubbed in. He finishes by running his hands down the face, neck to below the collar bone area. He starts applying a circular massaging motion to GSP’s temple area, then a quick massage motion to the traps and then to the shoulders. Finally, he places his right hand over GSP’s solar plexus as the front of his left hand massages a little between his shoulder blades.
The rubbing the back of the shoulder blades is the action that people are objecting to and at first glance it does appear worst than it was. Supposedly the commission’s rep then took a towel and rubbed off GSP’s back, (this is what I read I could not see it on the TV.)
Before the third and fourth round starts you can see the rep with the towel again rubbing GSP’s back.
What Vaseline may have been applied should have been removed by the towel. Hardly the intentional greasing the BJ Penn camp is trying to make it out to be.
Seriously, what professional corner/cutman is going to try to cheat with TV cameras around, and two commission reps looking over your shoulder especially when your fighter is doing well. | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/1/2009 11:22:51 AM |
But, you guys honestly can sit here and say that trying to control a guy with vaseline on his back wouldn't affect the fight??
Of course it might affect the fight, not arguing that. And that cornerman should be banned for even trying that. What an idiot, on a live PPV, too! However, in this case..........
Would it have changed the outcome? Probably not. But it will affect the fight.
By the time the vaseline was applied, GSP was already winning the fight handily. Let's see what the commission says. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2009 11:23:52 AM | | Bottom line comes down to the fact that Vaseline is not what caused GSP to win - it was simply superior talent & training over Penn. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2009 2:57:22 PM | You can't say that UFCchick. If it was applied, it played a factor. If GSP was sliding around on BJ the first 2 rounds, you better believe that played a HUGE part in the outcome of his stamina. Trying to keep a bigger, stronger, greased up opponent off of you would affect anyone.
If he did this...it played a factor. Period. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2009 3:33:01 PM | | thats true, It would play a part trying to keep GSP off him. As well trying to keep guard, moving up to high guard, and even trying to use the rubber guard would have been even harder for Penn. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2009 4:03:21 PM |
You can't say that UFCchick. If it was applied, it played a factor. If GSP was sliding around on BJ the first 2 rounds, you better believe that played a HUGE part in the outcome of his stamina. Trying to keep a bigger, stronger, greased up opponent off of you would affect anyone.
If he did this...it played a factor. Period.
if..if...if...if the bear hadn't of stopped to take a chit he would have caught the rabbit...
the plain simple fact of the matter is GSP whipped his ass....vaseline or no vaseline BJ had no answers for GSP and at the end of the day the best man won. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2009 4:53:30 PM | Did ANYONE deny that muppet boy??? Read....then give an intelligent answer.
ALL WE SAID WAS IT PLAYED A FACTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't stand ignorant people.... | |
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JJD33
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/1/2009 4:54:00 PM | | I don't think anyone is saying Penn didn't get that assed whipped.. so let us change the dynamic.. suppose it was unranked fighters... a seasoned jitz fighter vs. an all around athletic strike/wrestler.. and the same thing happend... what would you then say... I think it's clear that a high guard would be useless with a more slippery opponent, as well as that oppenent being able to successfully land strikes from within your guard... there's no question... I think if you haven't done any full guard work yourself it'd be easy to say there's no difference, or little difference, the fact is there is a huge difference... Now i'm not taking the win or even arguing George's dominance... so take off the thong and get objective with the issue.. I personally think it sux that this even went on... and after reading a previous poster bringing to light more of what actually happend and the fact that it was toweled off by a commision Rep it takes some of the sting out of the occasion...but honestly... it just sux we're even having to talk about it... facts are facts... I wonder what the outcome will be... rematch?? would BJ even want a rematch after that beating?? | |
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Posted: 2/1/2009 5:11:03 PM | bmc -
From what I read, the commision had people wipe down GSP's back with a towel. So there really shouldn't have been any vaseline on him by the time he went out into the ring. This doesn't make it right, and I stand by my comment that the guy that did that should be banned from cornering MMA events. But, with all due respect, to say that it affected the fight (unless I have it wrong about what happened) is kind of stretching it. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2009 5:16:11 PM |
Did ANYONE deny that muppet boy??? Read....then give an intelligent answer.
I hope you didn't have any money riding on this fight?
But, with all due respect, to say that it affected the fight (unless I have it wrong about what happened) is kind of stretching it.
BJ started turtle-ing going in to the second round you could see it by the look on his face. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2009 5:28:30 PM | Just a side note folks.
Reckless Optimist went side bar with me to argue his weak minded thought processes with me. Only to then "block" me from rebutting his return email.
So I guess I'll reply here:
Don't use big words you don't understand nor have a clue of proper context. You say that "nobody" listens to me. Well, considering YOU emailed me side-bar (3) times, YOU listen to me. But if we take your comment to task and "nobody" listens to me, in essence your calling yourself a "nobody".
Mighty weak of you to come at me side bar then block me from replying.
Mighty "weird" of you to email a GUY on a dating site.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion. You got something to say, be a man and say it where it originated.
Preach on "Pretender". | |
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Posted: 2/1/2009 5:36:05 PM | I'd like to apologize to the other users of this thread. I took it too email hoping he could conduct him self like a mature adult which back fired on me horribly.
GSP won fair and square. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2009 5:37:55 PM | See...again...let's repeat this to you...
Not one person denied GSP didn't deserve to win. Not one. But "IF" the incident is TRUE, it could have had an effect.
That's all...plain and simple. Is it a crime to have this opinion and not share yours?? | |
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Posted: 2/1/2009 5:41:36 PM |
Not one person denied GSP didn't deserve to win. Not one. But "IF" the incident is TRUE, it could have had an effect.
Get real?? you know well that this isn't the first time BJ Penn squealed like a girl after getting beat.
Typical BJ maneuver talks smack he can't back up. | |
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