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Posted: 2/1/2009 5:42:59 PM | Whats your beef with BJ? He's one of the GREATEST MMA Fighters EVER. He lost to a better man.
Why bash him for bringing something to light that the commission themselves caught?
You make NO sense. | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/1/2009 5:51:52 PM | | Yep BJ got owned no doubt, but it doesn't matter he is still the best 155 fighter out there. However the question is will BJ get emotional effected by his loss and not do well as a lightweight? | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/1/2009 5:53:48 PM |
Yep BJ got owned no doubt, but it doesn't matter he is still the best 155 fighter out there. However the question is will BJ get emotional effected by his loss and not do well as a lightweight?
I can answer that right now ...NO he won't ..he has way to big of an ego. | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/1/2009 6:12:28 PM | | Well congrats to GSP he brought it all well and good to BJ, BJ didnt seem half as focused or content with winning as GSP, i was dissapointed as BJ is a brilliant fighter, Shogun next, cant wait! | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/1/2009 6:23:06 PM | I'm no surpirised by the excuse. There was bound to be one, because there is always an excuse everytime he doesn't win a fight, it seems like.
BJ got dominated. Didn't win a round and looked to be out of his league in this fight.
BJ did not, as I suspected, ever improve his cardio. He thought he could get by on his natural talent. Just like always.
GSP proved he is the better MMA fighter.
And to think, if it wasn't for an eye poke in the first fight, none of this would have ever had to happen. | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/1/2009 7:52:55 PM | Machida looked great. I think he will beat Evans. It'll be a slow fight though-- both are patient counter fighters.
Totally wrong in my prediction for GSP/Penn (haha)... I got 3/5 though. I wish I put money down this time around. | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/1/2009 10:46:23 PM | 
@ BJ being overrated. Dude, lost to GSP. And? Lots of people have. GSP is arguable one of the top pound for pound fighters in the world. BJ is still the best fighter in his division...by far.
Anyone saying BJ is overrated, answer this: How is he overrated? | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/2/2009 12:09:24 AM |
Surprised to read that Nate got dominated in this one - that is what HE has been doing to everyone else.
Nate didn't get dominated...if anything he made Guida look like a fool on the feet...Guida won because the ref was too stupid to break them up in the 3rd round after Guida resorted to clinging on to Nates back...not able to take him down or mount ANY offence at all.....
Had the ref broke them up after a LOOOONG stalemate against the fence...Nate would've continued to poke Guida out with his strikes....and perhaps even dropped him.... | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/2/2009 4:37:23 AM |
BJ is overrated.
Come on, dude. GSP won this fair and square, but BJ *is* a top-level MMA fighter. Losing to GSP does not change that. | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/2/2009 10:05:05 AM | http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/josh_gross/02/02/penn-st-pierre-post-fight/index.html
Decisions, decisions.
Returning to the Aloha State after the worst defeat of his career, B.J. Penn, still the UFC lightweight titleholder, has much to contemplate.
Priority No. 1, according to sources in his camp, remains whether or not to lodge a formal complaint with the Nevada State Athletic Commission alleging Georges St. Pierre's corner knowingly and illegally used Vaseline on the UFC welterweight champion's body to gain an unfair advantage Saturday night at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.
Should Penn decide to move forward and attack the integrity of St. Pierre and his camp, chances are the Hawaiian will want to fight again. That, surprisingly, is not an automatic. Though the answer seems obvious considering Penn, who is only 30, appears perfectly capable of carving himself a meaningful legacy at 155, no one close to "The Prodigy" knows for certain if he'll return.
"Before we got to Vegas we were talking," Penn's chief trainer, Rudy Valentino, said Sunday evening after returning to Hilo. With a win over St. Pierre "he wanted this to be his last fight."
Saturday morning Penn woke to a sun-drenched Sin City with plenty on his mind. Half a day away from vying to become the first mixed martial artist to hold two belts in the UFC at the same time, Penn "had come to a realization," his longtime trainer and mentor recalled.
"If I win, I win. That's the destiny of this fight," Penn told Valentino. "If I lose, it's because G.S.P. is the better man."
"This fight was a really big pressure on him, the most pressure he ever had in his whole life," Valentino said. "He just wanted to express himself when we were walking and talking."
It didn't take long against St. Pierre to realize the evening was not going to end the way Penn and his many supporters had hoped. With the champion outweighing Penn by nearly 20 pounds, St. Pierre put on a technical and tactical clinic that left the challenger battered and bloodied. For Penn's closest friends, the result was stunning. Never before had they seen him beaten in such a fashion. Even against Matt Hughes, when Penn lay exhausted taking elbow after elbow to his head, the Hawaiian didn't absorb the kind of punishment St. Pierre delivered during their 20 minutes together.
Nothing seemed to work. Standing, Penn took stiff shots, leaving a spigot where his nose was supposed to be. On the ground, the centerpiece of his game plan for the highly anticipated rematch, Penn was overwhelmed. His vaunted guard busted open like it belonged to a rookie Brazilian jiu-jitsu player.
As they shared an ambulance afterwards, Penn (13-5-1) voiced to Valentino how slippery he thought St. Pierre felt. The trainer said he noticed it early in Round 2. After the 27-year-old French-Canadian, now 18-2, landed the first of many takedowns, Penn tried to employ the rubber guard. When he couldn't maintain any semblance of a high guard, Penn's corner became suspicious.
"After the first round, two commissioners on our side noticed Vaseline being applied to the neck and the back of Georges St. Pierre," Valentino said. "They went over, told the other commissioners and spoke to [referee] Herb Dean."
Nevada State Athletic Commission inspectors watched closely while veteran trainers Greg Jackson and Phil Nurse worked St. Pierre's corner.
Nurse, a 30-year veteran of martial arts and a well-respected Muay Thai trainer based out of New York, was tasked with two things: apply Vaseline to the brow, cheekbones, bridge of the nose and temples of the champion's chiseled face, and utilize a pressure-point holistic technique that apparently delivers an energy boost.
What the world saw was Nurse, the back of his left hand acting as a palate for a finger of Vaseline, massage grease into the champion's face, shoulders and back. NSAC inspectors, reacting to people at ringside who took the application as an attempt to give St. Pierre an unfair advantage, scolded Nurse between the first and second, and the second and third rounds.
"I was in the Octagon and they came in screaming: 'On his face! On his face!' I really didn't know what they were saying," Nurse said of NSAC inspectors. "I see it now. In the heat of the moment, I've got a minute to get in there, keep him calm, do my energy work on him, elevate his legs and then he listens to Greg. What they were screaming at me about, I didn't know. Had they said 'You're putting Vaseline on his back' it would have put two and two together."
Valentino said Jackson, a highly respected trainer of many champions, including St. Pierre and UFC light heavyweight titleholder, Rashad Evans, came into their locker room afterwards and apologized for the mistake. Penn's camp took it as an admission of guilt. But that was not the message Jackson intended.
"It certainly wasn't intentional and the commission was all over us and wiped it off," Jackson said. "I don't think it was a fight-modifying thing. I just think it was Phil doing one thing and then realized he needed to do another thing. Completely unintentional."
"If we were going to cheat we wouldn't rub him with Vaseline in front of the Nevada State Athletic Commission and cameras all over," he quipped. "That wouldn't make any sense at all. Give me some credit. If I was going to cheat, I'd be a little smarter than that."
As the sting of defeat wanes and Penn searches for perspective, he'll try to determine whether Jackson is sincere or simply trying lay down some cover.
Late Sunday, Penn's representatives decided against filing the complaint, which has already been drawn up by the Hawaiian's family attorney, first thing Monday, a reaction perhaps to some initial communication between the camps. Distance from the fight will also yield breathing room to make a decision on the rest of his career. But considering how his fight transpired, and with the apparent controversy over tactics in St. Pierre's corner, Valentino believes Penn could have a change of heart.
"I'm not making excuses for B.J.'s fight," he said. "What happened, happened. St. Pierre was a better fighter. But B.J. couldn't get his ground game off because his legs were slipping off. His hands were slipping off. He couldn't get going. It wore him out. That could have been a factor in the fight.
"After what happened I think he might have something to prove again. He might jump up and go at it again. I don't know."
The only one who might, it seems, is Penn himself. | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/2/2009 12:31:23 PM | | GSP vs. Alves is the next big fight. BJ is the past. GSP/Alves will be a more interesting, more competitive fight than the Penn fights were. | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/2/2009 2:31:05 PM | Hmmm, vaseline, eh?
So, does Penn ant a rematch?
I'm up for watching GSP give him a beat down for 4+ rounds again. And then watch Penn eat his words and QUIT again. Anyone else? lol | |
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Posted: 2/2/2009 7:03:41 PM | | As much as I'm a fan of Nate & was disappointed to see him lose, I gotta disagree - he was simply outfought by Guida - the ref not breaking up the stalemate had nothing to do with the loss - he was getting his butt kicked in the first two rounds as well. | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/2/2009 7:04:56 PM | You people are talking about a highly Decorated Title Holder like he just stepped into MMA... Get a grip folks... He took an ass kicking, it's real, it happend, for anyone to say a Champion in his division is over rated, how much more ratings can a man get besides holding a belt that signifies he is THE BEST in his division in the UFC??? THE BEST 55lb fighter the UFC has to offer... and he ripped apart the former champ like he was a filet... you may not like him, and that's fine, you know as much about BJ penn personaly as you do Quantum Physics... Fighters talk shit, now get over it...
Obviously George was WAY to much for BJ, and well BJ may very well be able to handle some 70lb'ers... he can't handle champion quality in that division... So fuk'n what... he went for it... he tried to do somthing nobody else has done...AGAIN... I think you need to respect the goals and the efforts to attain them insted of running your compost heaps like you have a clue.
And throughout this entire thread, nobody has said George didn't clearly dominate BJ... so why are you arguing anyway... | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/2/2009 7:59:51 PM |
he was getting his butt kicked in the first two rounds as well.
It was a close split decision...obviously all three judges gave Nate at least one round...did you not see Diaz poking out Guida like he was an amature? Not much you can do when you have an 8" reach disadvantage but cling on to the taller man for dear life.....
I think Nate looks good enough to be a title contender in the near future and it's a damn shame the fight ended up like it did....he'd beat Guida 9 times outa 10.... | |
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Posted: 2/3/2009 8:21:09 AM | The fact that he was greased up doesn't explain BJ getting owned in every aspect of the fight. Including the standup.
He was losing the standup before it ever went to the ground.
This just wasn't gonna be BJ's day. lol | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/3/2009 8:42:36 AM | GSP has already said that he would fight Penn a 3rd time if he needs to in order to shut him up. So far, Penn hasn't said that he wants another rematch. Sounds like Penn just wants to detract from GSP's win. Sounds like Penn is a broken man who knows deep down that GSP is the better fighter.
The Commission has promised to investigate the incident; but Keith Kizer (the chairman) has already said that there are no grounds to overturn the win. Until and unless the Commission officially nullifies the fight result, GSP didn't grease and GSP didn't cheat. He didn't do anything wrong if the Commission doesn't have a problem with it. | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/3/2009 2:14:15 PM | Now All you BJ nuthuggers can kiss my Canadian ass! Thank god! Look at how much shit BJ talked.. Seriously, BJ is a joke. What a loser. Hahahahaha.
George beat your ass, ..twice.. Third time wont be the charm BJ as you will NEVER get another shot at the belt again. Your a joke. Your going to kill george?? Umm.. Dude, your cardio is a joke. Go back to 155 and stay there knowing that no matter how good you think you are.. You will always be gsp's ****!
Next time you want to take a vacation before the biggest fight of your life.. Think twice. George trained his ass off for this and it showed while you were sitting on some beach 'resting' Hahaha that 'peaking' phase didnt work out so well did it.
You were wrong about George having no heart. Your the one whos the quitter. Punk.
Flame on bmc.. Flame on..
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JJD33
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 2/3/2009 2:53:01 PM | | baaahahahahahahah ^^ way to write a reply to BJ like he's reading posts at POF... lmao... oh my god you are an idiot | |
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