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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/14/2009 11:12:24 AM | Everyone seems to be assuming the only reason to wear foundation garments is because you are fat, too lazy to go to a gym, and too undiciplined to quit eating. Not so, my fellow POFers.
Gravity, child-bearing, age, and genes do play a role in the way your body appears and works. Good foundation garments are not just for looks. They help hold things together. Support hose help aging legs and veins, a tummy tamer helps the internal organs stay where they should and function as they should. A good bra helps posture and helps avoid being uncomfortable.
Foundation garments can be as necessary for men as they are women. A good friend who is a former pro-football player wears a tummy tammer type garment fairly often to help alleviate the discomfort from an old injury.
So, sometimes wearing these types of garments are for neither lying nor looking good. They are for the health and well-being of the wearer. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/14/2009 3:03:30 PM |
(fritzle) So, what do you all think about hese body shapers, briefers, boobie enhancers, booty rounders?
*shrug* People will do whatever they have to do to feel better about themselves. And, to make a good impression, they'll always put their best foot forward. Unless you (not you personally, OP) show up for all your first meets in a mu-mu, with dirty fuzzy pink slippers, a hair-net, and face cream, you're just as guilty as the next person of "trying to look your best", which in alm0st every case, is not how you really look.
On a tangential, but related, topic, people always define "excessive" as, "More than I would do!" The whole "lying vs. looking good" topic is so subjective, people shouldn't even try to define it.
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/14/2009 3:07:02 PM |
(desert wildflower) Totally uncomfortable. I`d rather just watch my weight and select clothes where I don`t need such impediments.
... and, I'd rather be rich than handsome; sadly, I wasn't consulted ab0ut what I wanted. 
Seriously: I think just about everyone would like the absolute best; but, that's not always what we're given.
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/14/2009 4:46:13 PM | I think whatever makes a person feel good about him/herself is perfectly acceptable.
I wear pretty underwear and makeup and choose clothes that suit my body type because I like to enhance what I have and look the best I can. I'm not doing it to trap some poor, completely innocent man into marrying me and supporting me and being my love slave, I want a man to appreciate my looks but to marry me, pay HALF OUR bills and be my love slave because I'm a terrific person, treat him well and am great in bed. :-o
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/14/2009 4:47:27 PM | | I live by the WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get) fashioned world. I don't believe in these expensive "body enhancers". After all, at some point, when you get naked, it's SHOW TIME!!! If a man is really "into me", he's gonna love me for every bump, wrinkle, gray hair, and all of the other stuff that goes along with being a human being. Let's face it ladies - men love women that are confident in themselves to just let it "go" and get naked, while having fun! | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/14/2009 5:25:52 PM | | At the end of the day, you'll either find someone attractive or you wont - in whatever guise they present themselves....the media has seen to it that women cannot feel comfortable in their own skin, brainwashing us on a daily basis to look a certain way, be a certain size.....however even the models who advertise all this crap have been airbrushed to look better than they are. I dont see it as lying i see it as a sad reflection that its not ok to be yourself anymore.....but on the whole i wouldn't say its too different to the persona's we adopt in different situations and for different reasons to receive different outcomes............we all play the game - men included!!! | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/14/2009 8:01:06 PM | A lot of petite women wear them too (hence why anytime I've seen them, they have them in extra small sizes).
The shapers have more of a smoothing effect and make your clothes hang nicely and not cling, so it's not really trying to look smaller per se.
I tried some control top pantyhose once with the illusion of sucking in my gutt...after 2 hours of contortions, yoga moves, and resistance training, they were on. I'd lost 20 pounds just getting them on however and they were too loose. :P | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/14/2009 8:08:11 PM | Sheesh, katsussex, with a face that beautiful, like you need any assistance getting a bloke's attention?
I used to know a petite lass who did the waterbra thing. The first time I met her, she got my attention, sure. I can only imagine what it was like for her bf, to see her in public, and then go home to....well, the thing is, she wasn't really badly endowed at all. I saw her a year later, and she had ditched it--cold New York winters made strapping a cold water bra to her bossom every morning a silly practice--plus it got the wrong attention from her neighbors.
the second time I saw her, it was July summer, and when she bent over to fetch her 'phone, I got to see she had no bra on under her tank top...so, trust me, she was in perfect scale to her figure, and never needed the damn body enhancement. Her personality more than made up for any "lack".
But, hey, its one man's opinion. If a lady doesn't intend to date me, then what does it matter what she chooses to wear? I'm not going to find out the lie until she stops wearing it--which does happen, if we end up being more than strangers (ie, acqaintances). But, women feel comfortable around me, so we just chuckle about it and move on. Is that really a lie? | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/15/2009 7:33:16 AM | Like I said before in message 49.... any man who thinks it's cheating when a women likes to be feminine wearing, heels, tasteful makeup, smelling nice (not cheap perfume), loves long luxurious baths with nice bath oil, dressing nice (and no by no stretch of the imagination am I a clothes horse) is NOT the kind of man I'd like to be with. I do agree that things like Body
Shapers etc. is a little excessive and call it what you will, they are basically girdles like my Mom use to wear.
IMO however if this discussion is seriously about women being deceptive in their appearance.....give me a break!
So a man spending hours and hours in a gym trying to get the 6 pack on his ordinary body and then proudly trying to display it at every given opportunity is not deceptive!
This is beyond staying healthy...this is VANITY in my opinion.We've all seen pictures of Mike Tyson after he stopped working out! He returned to his normal body shape. How about guys who spend hours and hours on their flashy car, polishing excessively, and of course it has to be a specific type of car to make sure all eyes are on him when he pulls up to a parking lot! How about those huge monster Hummers? Are they really necessary? It does say to the world, if certain women are impressed by this, I got MONEY to burn and some men love the status it gives them!
In the meantime...thousands of women are dying every year from breast cancer and do the scientists come up with a cure? Nope. However, somehow impotence is seen as life threatening to men and viola... VIAGARA!
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/15/2009 7:38:10 AM | Msg 60 - I agree with you!
Im heading out on Sat night and shall have my Spanx on because my dress sits better with it on. Im 5.2 so will have my heels on and my make up and getting my hair done!! Vanity or deceit? Who cares??? I will feel fab and thats all that matters!
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/15/2009 7:55:42 AM | Exactly, interludesolo-all this foolish crap means nothing in the long run-why even bother with Hollywood, pop music, etc-all it does is make one dance to the tune of a Pied Piper with nothing on its mind except to CONSUME and LISTEN! I like movies and music with SUBSTANCE ( not dubbed, dance moves created by the lates robots in the music industry or movies that claim to be the "Feel great hit of whatever season.") If that makes me old, so be it. A person who can actually PLAY an instrument gets kudos over the latest flavor who can lip or mime their latest "smash" written by 2 dozen no names.. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/15/2009 1:26:44 PM | Take 6 inches away? More squeeze it all 8-10 inches IN! How do you think your organs feel??
I guess they could, LITERALLY, squeeze the shyt out of you!
But I would imagine that they do restrict blood flow somewhat, not to mention airflow. That can't be healthy.
Hell, according to some crackpot doctor that's been cited on these forums in the past, my being overweight is hiding an upto 17inch penis!
What happens if I unleash THAT?? Someone's getting Thwacked in the forehead!
Personally, I'm not for all those body modifiers. And if ya gotta peel the make-up off and the end of the day?? I'm not interested.
If used at all, I think that make-up should be used sparingly....to highlight or accent. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/15/2009 1:42:15 PM | | I once bought a pair of control pants to flatten my tummy - and when i put it on all i got was a spare tyre - believe me - you push it in one place - its gonna come out somewhere else! Now - I'm almost comfortable with my body after losing 2 stone and ive still got my 'baby' tummy - but hey - it's who I am! | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/15/2009 2:41:01 PM | | I've had this conversation before with people, and I definitely think it's deceitful..because the truth about you is eventually going to come out when you are naked and the man is seeing you for who you really are..he will start seeing your breasts at your waistline LOL..sorry just had to say that one But seriously it's pointless and quite deceitful to guys | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/15/2009 2:47:38 PM |
Is make-up lying? Hair dye?
I'm genuinely asking, because I honestly don't know if it's 'enhancement' or 'cheating.' Remember the "water bra"? Same thing.
P.S. Do they really have a garmet that eliminates saddlebags? Now *that* I want to see!
Well there is a difference between cheating and enhancing. If you use make up or whatever else to make you look "good" to the point where after you've made the additional "changes" and you look completely different from before then that is CHEATING..make up etc. only enhances a person if they looked good BEFORE..but after the make up look a little better than how they did before...so the main difference between the two is that.."cheating" makes big changes in your appearance to the point where you look completely different from how you ACTUALLY are..whereas.."enhancing" makes minor changes that doesn't make you look a whole lot different from how you actually look in reality or your "natural" state | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/15/2009 2:49:26 PM | This one is a fun forum.
Women go through a lot to look good, and mostly for themselves; to feel good. For us to feel good, we look good (it's a cycle here). Why do we wear sexy, lacy undergarments even when we think no one would see them? I won't do that for a man, I can imagine his disappointment.
Mascara and foundation are what I wear when I want to dress up. Eye shadows and blush on are for special occasions. I do color my hair, however.
If they can't handle me now, then oh, well. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/15/2009 2:57:06 PM | "Unless you are walking around nude, unshaven, very long nails, unbrushed teeth, dirty ,with your hair as long as it can grow, then you are deceiving people. No one on here is not deceiving in some way or another."
WOW! Totally different situations here!! wearing clothes is covering your body because its illegal to walk around naked..plus it offers protection for your body...wearing push up bras is deceiving people into think someone's breasts are firm or whatever..There is no comparisons between the two situations here. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/15/2009 3:00:58 PM | WOW! Totally different situations here!! wearing clothes is covering your body because its illegal to walk around naked..plus it offers protection for your body...wearing push up bras is deceiving people into think someone's breasts are firm or whatever..There is no comparisons between the two situations here.
Actually no , it's not a different situation. It is only in our culture that it is wrong to walk around naked in. In some cultures everything hangs out. If you are doing anything to your body at all then you are not showing how you really look. I noticed you don't have a beard. Men don't naturally have clean shaved faces. You are making yourself look like something you don't look like naturally.
Im heading out on Sat night and shall have my Spanx on because my dress sits better with it on. Im 5.2 so will have my heels on and my make up and getting my hair done!! Vanity or deceit? Who cares??? I will feel fab and thats all that matters!
Exactly! Anyone who has a problem with that can go blow. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/15/2009 3:33:09 PM | Actually no , it's not a different situation. It is only in our culture that it is wrong to walk around naked in. In some cultures everything hangs out. If you are doing anything to your body at all then you are not showing how you really look. I noticed you don't have a beard. Men don't naturally have clean shaved faces. You are making yourself look like something you don't look like naturally.
LOL you are soooooooo missing the point!..first of all yes its ok in some cultures to walk naked bla bla bla..but thats not the culture we live in, and we are talking about our culture here!..shaving your beard is not an "unnatural" thing...if it is then i guess everything we do in this world would be "unnatural" then right?..i guess bathing would be "unnatural" too right?..people shave because it makes them look better yes but that is not deception as its a "normal" thing for men to do..for whatever reason....wearing a push up bra is deceiving because your breast doesn't look that way..and as soon as you take it off there will be a big difference..shaving is not the same...maybe i am not explaining it the right way, but its just totally different..just like how you cant compare make up and all that added garment etc to someone having a hair cut..those things doesn't make you look drastically different...thats the diff. between the two..and i am not saying anything is wrong with make up..because as long as you dont over do it to the point where it doesnt alter your looks/skin etc too much its enhancement and not deception.. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/15/2009 6:35:47 PM |
So, what do you all think about hese body shapers, briefers, boobie enhancers, booty rounders? They all aren't in the same category. I'm assuming most women with A and B cups have a few boobie enhancer bras in their dresser drawer. Many guys (including me) aren't "boob guys", this is no big deal.
I wouldn't suggest any woman wear any sort of body shaping garments unless they were worn for a sense of comfort and not for a sense of body image. Same is true for makeup. No big deal covering a blemish. Caking on cosmetics--problem.
The rule is I guess this kind of stuff is ok as long as it is for comfort and modest enhancement--not to be deceptive about one's appearance. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/15/2009 6:46:43 PM | How can everyday grooming ( bathing, blow drying, clipping fingernails, shaving etc.) be put into the deceitful category ? lol ( what was that poster thinking) (or were they) ?
The one about claiming some cultures walk around nude really makes mucho sense in this debate also. lol. What cultures do you speak of ? Some tribes in Borneo or deep in the Amazon jungle ? Obviously grasping at straws in desperation..... get a clue.
Then there was the feminista poster throwing Mike Tyson at us, lol. That one really made a lot of sense too. Mike Tyson in a debate/discussion about padded undergarments and make up ??? And how guys spend hours and hours in the gym everyday. How do you know this ? Did you actually participate in a study timing and documenting hundreds of thousands of men in the gym everyday ? And what does that have to do with padded undergarments and make up anyway ? The discussion is about padded undergarments and such, items people BUY in a store who are too lazy and/or lack the motivation/discipline to actually break a sweat to (naturally) improve their body.
And what the hell does taking long baths and using perfume have to do with padded undergarments ? That remark was baffling and so off target but made for a good chuckle :)
Next thing ya know someone will claim that wiping your butt after a bowel movment with toilet paper is deceitful because some cultures use banana leaves and various twigs | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 1/15/2009 6:54:03 PM | I think these things fall under the category of humanity's ongoing pursuit of youth and beauty. They are not the most convenient of augmentations, but neither is plastic surgery.
I personally favor regular exercise (preferably outdoors), a balanced diet, and acceptance of the fact that you only have the true body of an 18-year-old once in your life. | |
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