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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/11/2009 4:43:47 PM | It's no more of a lie than the the guy who stuffs a sock in his shorts. If the woman he's with holds it against him for improving his appearance and making himself more desirable, then she is just shallow. (Well... Shallow might be a poor choice of words in this case.)  | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/11/2009 6:07:37 PM | Well..tho I know a lot of this:   (POF Excerise routine) would take care of a lot of the ..hmmm...excess...sometimes I get a little slak in that department...so since my clothes fitting well, without the little roll here and there is a priority over stripping..I like the help of a body shaper ..
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/11/2009 7:06:28 PM | This may be an off comment, but this whole thread reminds me of a story of a guy who tied a salami to his thigh to show off to women (he was under-endowed, I guess). Anyway, he goes out to a nightclub, gets a lot of attention, then collapses on the floor and dies.
The tube he was using to tie the salami to his thigh cut of circulation, causing death.
I've heard of having a body to die for, but I do think our society takes this too literally. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/11/2009 7:35:47 PM | | There is nothing wrong with doing your best to look good but the truth should also be known. I think its giving off false advertisement in a sense. If you have insecurities and need to wear padding in your bra or something thats on you, but I think showing someone something thats NOT you is a lie. Don't meet a guy looking like a D cup and then letting him find out you are an A, There is nothing wrong with either size as long as its real, and eventually he will find out you are wearing a tummy tamer , don't be shocked by his reaction. I think I would be a bit upset too. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/11/2009 7:36:27 PM | Let's see, let's find another way to beat up those women who want to look nice in their clothes, because no middle aged woman does not have a few areas that gravity has taken its toll on. Geez, some of you are totally opposed to any means of trying to look your best. God bless you to be so perfect naturally and I hope it remains that way for you.
Just tonight, at the gym, there were two women in great shape who had on stretch tops and sports bras. The twins were hanging a little on the low side, shall we say.
I am very large chested and I love a good underwire support bra or else, my back could not hold the weight of my naturally large breasts. Hmmm......I like to wear a slip beneath my skirts, I like a light shaper because you do not get panties lines and I consider wearing a thong aboout as comfortable as wearing butt floss.
Each to his own, I am not going to take my clothes off with someone that I do not know well and by the tine I do, he will have seen me in many different outfits and can see my true body. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/11/2009 7:48:34 PM | Its not just middle aged women who have issues. Everyone does. Its nice to try and look your best but wouldn't you rather meet a guy and let them see you as you are? Its easy for women to claim they need it but no guys wheres these things, we need to put ourselves in their shoes. Whens the last time you met a guy in a tummy tamer or but lifter?
I wouldn't want to meet a female who has everything hidden and falsely enlarged only to find out thats not her and not because I am shallow but when you get to know someone you like an idea of what you see. When that idea turns out to be false its a bit disappointing. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/11/2009 8:07:03 PM | Hells Bells, this is the goofiest damn thread. In the first place, a light shaper and a support bra are just that, support. They do not do much to change your measurements. If someone does wear those tight fitting garments, they would be popping out in all of the wrong places and defeat the purpose of trying to look nice in their clothes.
If anyone wants to go commando beneath their clothes in an effort to be authentic, do as you please, as will I.
I walk 20 miles a week on the treadmill and work out with weights at least five days a week. I am not a woman who does not work at having a nice shape, nor will I make an apology for wanting to look my best in my clothes. If he assesses me and finds me wanting in some way, then he can keep fishing and with my blessings, no hard feelings either. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/11/2009 8:16:39 PM | They don't change your measurements but they change the appearance and shape of your body . No one said go commando, just wear normal under garnets . A guy is not going to expect something unless he see's it. If thats what he sees why shouldn't he expect that?
You can't get mad at a guy when he gets disappointed once he realizes you aren't what you seem.
Ofcourse we all want to look our best, but hiding yourself under things isn't the way to go. Good for you for working out! Its more then most of us do. However if you can't except how you are with out hiding yourself why would you expect a guy too? | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/11/2009 8:27:49 PM | I do accept myself, I just want my pants to fit smooth over my ass and my breasts to be in their right place beneath my tops.
Normal bras do offer some support.
I am very comfortable naked and not ashamed at all. I just want for my clothes to fit properly and to not have panty lines. Not everyone wants to wear a thong. I am not presenting myself any differently than most women and we could debate that all night.
If you ever find yourself bored on a Saturday afternoon, just got sit at the mall and people watch. You will run to the nearest department store mirror and check to see if your backside looks as good as you think it does because let me tell you, most do not. It ain't pretty when a woman's butt looks like an orange peel and wiggles like a bowl of jello. It ain't pretty for most women to go braless in their clothes. Lots of jiggle in the wiggle there too. There is something for showing way too much, yes m'am, there is.
If a man and I find ourselves in the place to take our relationship to bed, I would hope that we could be kind to each other. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/11/2009 8:39:18 PM | "I do accept myself, I just want my pants to fit smooth over my ass and my breasts to be in their right place beneath my tops."
If thats where they hang then its the right spot. You altering an appearance doesn't make it the right spot.
No one is talking about thongs but you btw.
I am pretty sure that altering the way your body is shaped with lifters, tamers, padds, and the rest is way different then how a pair of jeans is cut. The jeans don't have tamers included and yes as I said everyone wants to wear something that fits them well. If the pants don't look right on y our body then don't buy them. Thats completely different then leading a guy on with something you don't have. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/11/2009 8:43:53 PM | | Not worth the trouble and sounds very uncomfortable. Always good to present the real deal on all levels. That also means, one's profile pic needs to be updated and with an honest description of oneself, so people know what to expect. Not good to deceive people or to start dating with that premise. If the body image is a lie, what else is fake about that person, is what I would question. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/11/2009 10:31:21 PM | My underwires work for me!! After my 2 sons and everything starting to sag like an old sow if I don't wear an underwire bra.
I want to keep everything pulled up. If I wear it everyday, I don't experience sag. If I stop I get the sag. Believe me, that looks worse than if I cheat a little. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/12/2009 12:12:49 AM |
My question is this. To me it seems like if you are wearing this whole arsenal of undergarments, what happens when you take them off and there you are in your full glory of rolls, ripples and saddlebags? Is it lying to wear all of these things in order to entice someone into making them think you have a body that you don't. Or, do men expect women to be wearing all of this armor and don't really care about it.
OP -- Yanno, the more I read this the more I miss my ex...lol. Her and I got into a long winded conversation about this very topic years ago and it raged on for days.
She had a natural beauty that I found very appealing. She wore very little makeup, if any, and no special accessories to accentuate this or amplify that or disguise whatever else. That's the biggest reason I fell for her. When this topic came up, I was busy pointing and laughing at the TV about how some broad was pissed off because her man dumped her for using all these props. He felt betrayed in a sense that every time they were out and about she looked like a million...but soon as she got home and took 30+ minutes to de-armor herself, she looked like...well, bad. I said she did it to herself and that's what ya get for lyin' and pretending to be someone you're not.
She had dyed hair, pounds of makeup, ass shapers, tummy slimmers, fake eyelashes, push up bra...the whole 9. And she had also had plastic surgery. So she was about as fake as can be. The only thing real about her was probably just her name...thought that was even questionable as they likely changed the name to protect the innocent.
Anyways...
We barked about this all night and she took great offence to it all, and especially me pointing and laughing at her stupidity. She blamed us men for her plight and said that if men could look past the superficial, then there'd be no need for such things. That's when I quickly pointed out that she didn't use ANY of those things and she had no issues attracting a man.
Yea she changed the topic quickly after that...
But we went back at it, and I also reminded her that women for the most part are the most fake animal alive. They will fake your eyes out at any chance they can get. Fake hair...fake eyes...fake tans...fake boobs...push ups...tummy slimmers...ass shapers...wrinkle creams...botox...plastic surgery...fake eyelashes...makeup...the list went on. She says that men are no different. I said really...so let's see what men have to fake out the eyes...oh yea, toupees, hair plugs and Just For Men beard and moustache dye. Wow...3 things eh? We suck.
Men don't have ass shapers, and tummy slimmers, and girdles, and fake eyelashes, and need makeup, and hair dyes...extensions, pushups, lift heels, fake boobs...
In the end I just said to her that if she was "one of them" and I got to wait 30+ minutes for all her warpaint to come off, and the armor to be removed only to see this completely polar opposite of what I just saw 30 minutes ago I'd have punter her ass to the curb.
I'd just grab my toupee, hair plugs and Just For Men first...that shit must be expensive.
She pointed and laughed eventually too. The fake people get no immediate sympathy from me at all. If you're as phony as a $3 bill, I wouldn't touch you to scratch you...
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/12/2009 12:29:24 AM | fritzle
you opened a bucket of worms on this one! that's entertainment!
i like it both ways. dress up, make up, heels, nylons, perfume, jewelry, good smelling hair, lipstick, special bras to push it up, whatever makes me feel good and sexy.
then naked.
i think the truth is that men (most, not all) appreciate all of the above and when they are naked with their woman they are savoring the sensations, both physical and visual, and appreciate her dressed and undressed.
it is all good and there is no real need to fight about it...... | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/12/2009 1:22:37 AM | Big Daddy - your comments are pretty harsh don't you think?
Your ex is right. Men do make women feel the need to be attractive all the time.
Geez you have no idea................don't ever get married and have kids because your wife's body will change.
By the way - I am fairly natural in my makeup and dress and as far as I'm concerned pretty much what you see is what you get. However I choose to date men who have had children because they know that, when the time comes, my body is not going to be perfect. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/12/2009 3:58:21 AM | I haven't worn a bra since high-school, don't know what a body shaper looks like (and too lazy to look it up) and I still buy plain white cotton panties and men's "wife beaters" (the only underwear/lingerie I own) in a package of three or six, depending what's on sale at Walmart.
My deceptions? I home colour my hair (I'm approx. 75% grey) and I use three items of makeup on a daily basis - mascara, eyeliner and lipstick.
That's it for my body alterations/enhancements, unless shaving your legs/pits and dropping $1.99 on a bottle of nail polish to paint your toenails during the summer is considered deception.
So what you see is what you get and unless a person is delusional (or drunk) enough to think there's a chance I'll look better naked than with my clothes on, he/we should be just fine...:)
JMO
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/12/2009 4:31:57 AM | My daughters do not use make-up or do much to enhance their appearances and I think they are both gorgeous young women. They both exercise and keep fit. I am all about to each his own. They also have not had their bodies put through what mine has been put through.
There is room for everyone in the big pond, those who like totally natural and those who like cosmetics and a support bra. Neither is right nor wrong for everyone. If you think that wearing an underwire bra is lying, then you have not experienced lying per se, IMO. Good for you, and may it always stay that way.
Besides, it is like the one poster said, there is nothing out there that you can put on that truly changes what you look like as far as weight is concerned. The support garments are meant to keep things where they need to be, for those of us who care.
If you are a young woman, the care you take with your breasts now will pay off in huge dividends later down the line, but hey, if that is deceit to you, then they will sag later, it is a given. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/12/2009 5:28:47 AM | Personally I am proud of my muffin tummy. And any exercise or weights or bikes or idiotic step machines (This one has most dust on it) I have scattered about the 4 corners of my house are probably a means to an end..or i bought them when i was drunk or partially insane or something.
I think its silly, and the biggest offender of all is surely the push up bra, as it attempts to defy newtonian physics -which oddly got no mention - as its clearly defined as a benchmark and now readily acceptable, nae expected and omitted from Ops original wish list of contraptions designed and marketed on the basis you look more ravishing - appealing to us men) as long as you undergo some form of change from the norm, involving some form or torture.
Yes, so its lying imo opinion OP.
Totters of to trim his bristling nose hairs with garden shears, less they bring out some nasal hair suppressing device which will make my nostrils flair in just the right way...which lets face it would be a mallet and cork devices of unspeakable terror and application of newtonian force- no i would not.
Wicked be my name
vanity is my game | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/12/2009 5:46:10 AM | Polkadotumbrella unless you have had to deal with naturally large breast then don't judge. You have never had to deal with breast that reach your tummy when you were 15 years old! Sometimes we like our breast to be where they should be.A body shaper will not do much except smooth out roles.Most of the time not even that. They "claim" to bring you down clothes sizes,but I have yet to see that and I have tried them. Regardless a body shaper will not change anything more then good fitting clothing will change. I have yet to see the shaper that will take you from a 14 to a size 6
Unless you slide out of your mom with it on then it's fake. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/12/2009 5:57:46 AM | Hmm,.. a strange one this..is it lying? Sure it is,.. its enhancement,.. from colouring hair to push up bra,.. its all enhancement.
Thing is I think we need to question why these enhancements have been around as long as men and women have.
Ive read a lot of threads from women in Ask a Guy and different places about 'Do men like natural boobs, etc etc.. and the consensus seems to be,.. yes,.. as long as theyre pretty darn perfect and perky.
So, I DO think a lot of men,.. not all... are quite delusional about what a lot of womens bodies look like.
They certainly dont seem to want to deal with fat, wrinkles sagging, drooping breasts, mastectomies,..pasty white faces, grey hair, etc etc.
now,.. iIwould be quite happy to ditch my hairdye, if i felt i could be attractive as a practically white haired female, I'd also ditch my make up, if you can handle someone so pasty that she looks practically albino, with her white hair to match,.. and i would dearly dearly love to drop the torture that is an underwired bra, specially fitted with one extra padded cup to even out the asymatrical breasts that i have,.. but mind you, seeing as I have some hella pytosis (breast sagging0 theyre about to my tummy button now, well, one is, the other is a smaller, but catching up.
So, if i could still be deemed worthy of someones notice in this natural state, sure i'll ditch all the enhancements...
But somehow, i dont think im going to be Miss popularity among the male community.
yes, women enhance, and cover up flaws,.. but some men need to own their part in this too.
A lot want damn near perfection to be able to get it up.
We are merely catering to your 'visual' needs gentlemen.
Edit,.. theres a difference too, between the push up bra and a normal bra? not much,.. you know, but are there to stop boobs flying about. if youre naturally large chested, walking, running, doing anything is difficult without a bra of some kind. those boobs can bloody hurt when they flying about. lol.
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/12/2009 9:13:00 AM | If people feel the need to wear these things, it doesn't bother me. Though I do wish people could be happy with themselves as they are.
For those who think they are being deceitful by wearing these enhancers, do you feel the same way about someone who wears a prosthetic of some sort? has a glass eye? a titanium leg? | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/12/2009 3:41:41 PM | I dont know....it might be a tad dishonest but really who are you fooling/disappointing...yourself as far as I can tell. I am a mom and been around the sun 34 times...gravity and life did its bit to me and as much as I try to get it back in shape...my body is doing what a body does. I dont wear makeup (besides some lip gloss cuz its super dry here) and I like my curves...each scar, mark, bump and lump is earned. I would only be with a guy who is grateful for each one that made me who I chose to be today.
That's just my 2 cents though. | |
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| Body Shapers, Pushup Bras, Tummy Tammers - Lying or looking good?
Posted: 5/12/2009 4:00:10 PM | This thread reminds of when I heard a comedian say, "women wear fake nails, padded bras, make up, hair extensions, hair color, drawn on eyebrows, body shapers, high heels and fake eyelashes, yet they want a man who is honest 
Truth is I do think of that stuff as lying, not a deal-breaker, but it's not presenting ones true self. I think it started out as a way to enhance a women's beauty but some use it as a way to completely re-invent themselves
I don't have a problem with a woman doing those things but if a man does something like that (comb over to hide a bald spot, elevator shoes) women hate it. Go figure. | |
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