Big Daddy - your comments are pretty harsh don't you think?

Your ex is right. Men do make women feel the need to be attractive all the time.

Geez you have no idea................don't ever get married and have kids because your wife's body will change.

By the way - I am fairly natural in my makeup and dress and as far as I'm concerned pretty much what you see is what you get. However I choose to date men who have had children because they know that, when the time comes, my body is not going to be perfect.

". Don't go blamin' this on men now. Put the blame where it belongs...on your fellow woman and the media.

Men are conditioned by the same media stimuli as you women are, only in different mags and venues. But all the same hoopla and nonsense.

So which is it BDJ? Women do this to themselves? We and the media create this? men are not to blame? But men are conditioned by the same media? You sound a little confused.
I would say the Porn industry gives men a much more unrealistic expectation of women than fashion does,.. or lets say, just as much, and the Porn industry sure aint run by women.
Your sentiments on liking a woman who's real, and flawed etc etc,.. are admirable,.. however, when this assertion comes from a man who admits to liking to go to strip joints, to look at the pretty titties,.. it loses some of its credibility, doesnt it.
You may not sugar coat, but youre full of it, BDJ.
You like a woman who is natural? n make up? flawed? sagging? yeah, those tittie bar girls are sooo flawed, arent they...
heeehhehe you make me laugh.

BDJ The tittie bar back drop, was an attempt to show you how little your words about liking women who are natural, and flawed are, in the face of your enjoyment of the dancers who dance in topless bars.
lets face it, theyre not flawed, 'ordinary' looking women.
So, if you're not one of 'those' men who are influencd by media's idea of whats ideal in a womans body, I would have to ask why you get so much pleasure out of watching women dance that have quite media standard bodies? So you want an ordinary, natural woman to date, but you'll leave that ordinary, natural flawed women, to go out occaisionally and pay to watch a media standrad woman take her clothes off and show her media standard body? Nice.

Hey Big Daddy:

I read your post and ouit of curiosity read your profile...
Nice pics. there . They seem to be professionaly done..or added too ...so my question to you is:

If we met you in real life...will you look like the pics. or will we see some nice looking guy in normal situations?

My point being...You have chosen certain pictures which you obviously feel will attract..so what's wrong with a woman wanting to polish up what God has given her.
Sure some go to extremes - sounds like your x did..but then again..wowser Bigdaddy..your Fail list is pretty long....so I suspect at one point or another if whoever you hook up with crosses the line..shes out!

. Do I see strippers? Yep. Do I see them all the time? Nope. Once in a blue moon. Do I go to fantasize about "what could've been" and "if only"? Nope. Do I go to make comparisons to my lady at home to the lady on stage? Nope. What I DO go for is to heckle mostly, and in the company of my friends. The same friends that have to lie to their mates about where they are that night, whereas my lady knows exactly where I am. I go there to say things like "Jesus H Christ...I bet she's not a day over 25 and yet she looks like she's 50 with that tan!", and "OMG can you believe how fake those titties are?!", and let's not forget the ever classic and have to say it at least ONCE each visit, "Fake...so fake...and so skinny! I like 'em with more meat than that!"

The biggest reason I go is twofold...one, I LOVE loud music and titty bars like most clubs play their music LOUD! Though at a titty bar I don't have to worry about some drunken bar whore trippin' over herself and taking me down with her...or some jacked up meat puppet that wants to make a name for himself at my expense. The other reason is the dance! Yes, the dancing! Those rare types that have the energy to spare and they put every ounce of it into their show. High octane dance routines that I couldn't even DREAM about accomplishing...clothed or naked. It's electric to watch.

I'd prefer a clean face, with a little eyeliner and a touch of lip gloss and then we're good to go.

Talk all you like about how you love natural girls,.. you like them because theyre availiable to you, but like every other guy almost,.. you still watch the fake skinny ones, you pay to watch them dance, and no doubt you beat off to the fake skinny fake boobed ones in porn.

s it just because you take whats availiable, like most guys? and save the fantasy women for porn?
Youre not helping yourself here, BDJ.

Your spot on goodewitch. Anyone who say they prefer women natural yet go to strip clubs and watches porn has no credibility whatsoever. Not for a second do I believe that any man who goes to strip clubs to watch these dancers, goes to "make fun of them".

Actually I DO very much have an idea. A great idea. This is why I don't date the pretty wrappers anymore. The ones that would have to apply their warpaint and armor to think it would impress me, or anyone else for that matter...just to find out how fake they really are when it all comes off and she looks like a bad case of road rash, and 8lbs of sausage in a 3lb wrapper.

So I do so have an idea. I want them to be as natural as possible, with as little "fluff" as can be. No lifts. No fake eyelashes. No pounds of makeup. No tummy tuckers. No slimmers. None of that crap. Let me see you in your glory, warts n' all. Clothed or naked doesn't matter, as long as it's the "real" you I'm seeing and not just an illusion you want the world to see.

I do too have an idea. I know only too well that her body will give way to the ills of gravity some day, be it from a natural aging or from childbirth. I get wrinkles. I get droops. I get cellulite. I get paunch. I get sags. I get stretch marks. I get it 'cause I know that it'll happen. There's so few out there than can defy age and gravity naturally that I can't allow myself to believe for a moment that she may be one of them. So err on the side of reality and understand that what you see today won't really be there tomorrow or down the road.

But give me an idea what it will look like NOW. Not with all the accessories that they adorn themselves with to trick the eyes into believing their illusions they put on display. Let me see you naturally, so I can see for myself what it'll be like when gravity does take over and your breasts one day hang so low as to keep your ankles warm. Stopping just long enough to say hi to the saggy, orange peel pocked ass they just passed.

I have an idea. I know it's coming. I welcome it. But I wanna see the real thing first. If all I see is the illusion, then the illusion is gonna have to increase over time to compensate, and that's too much like work for me to ever wanna deal with a SO like that.

"Perfect" is just another of those illusions. I'm not dumb enough to swallow it though, as most people seem to. There's just "perfect for me". Nothing else matters.

So all you ladies wear what you want tamer or push up, after a date whisper I am slipping into something more comfortable, Marilyn style and go in the bathroom and come out in your negligee.What a man does not know will never worry him.He will be too busy eyeing the negligee to remember what you wearing before.Smoke and mirrors.