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Posted: 1/13/2009 3:16:25 PM | Wow. It got so heated in here... and so many soapboxes. Where did all the soapboxes come from?
If anyone thinks that "pro-choice" means that you can have an abortion whenever you feel like it, then you're just as ignorant on the subject as those who feel we should be able to. The fact that someone CAN use abortion as birth control EIGHT TIMES is a glaring and horrid flaw in the system. It's sickening and irresponsible. The option to abort should certainly be there, but we need to regulate the specifics a lot more strictly than we do now.
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Posted: 1/13/2009 3:16:40 PM | I'm totally pro-choice, but using abortion as birth control is just wrong. once, I can see. after that, a woman should know what causes pregnancy and start using birth control.
I'm also again late term abortions. that's just murder, as far as I'm concerned. if someone has carried that fetus to term and doesn't want her/him, let the child be adopted. lots of loving couples out there, unable to have children together, who would joyfully welcome a child into their lives. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 3:22:11 PM |
As to your other comment about having lunch with a rapist, you'd have to be more specific - is this a convicted rapist who has served their time and received conselling or this a crime that is being confessed to me in which case I have a duty to report it? Again no beatings or angry tirades, just sensible responses to the stimulous at hand.
No........you said you would give this women compassion and such..........because she has issues........Would you give a rapist compassion as well because obviously he has issues as well. I'm glad to see that you wouldn't be angry with a rapist........that shows that you are a fool.
BTW, I'm not mad anymore........you just got the kind of response from me that you deserved. Why do I have to be sugar and cream to someone that chooses abortion over and over instead of the pill or birth control.
Ah, Kirota, still steaming mad I see. Why don't you get her number for me? I would love to talk to her and find out what kind of life she's lead. See what other kinds damaging behaviours she engages in and offer her the advice and understanding that she so odviously needs (hence the inappropriate disclosure) and disguises with a casual "whatever" attitude (a disguise that clearly had you fooled).
I'm not a therapist and won't pretend to be.........so it really isn't my duty to give this women a shoulder to cry on. What makes you able to give her the advice that she needs? Her what ever attitude didn't have me fooled........it made me sick to my stomach. Obviously if she has the ability to go to an abortion clinic she should have the ability to get to a therapist.
No one is saying that you have to like everyone you encounter in the world, but coming on the internet and slamming this woman and making threatening remarks makes you look a fool.
It might make me look like a fool..........I can deal with that. Just the way you make it seem like having 8 abortions and using abortions as birth control is alright would make me think you as misguided and in need of therapy as her. But, opinions are like A$$holes........everybody has one. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 3:28:13 PM | Hey kirota. I have to agree with the poster on page one who said she may be a moron but she can still do what she wants with her life. Everyone is different, as you are aware, and makes different choices in their life but I wouldn't get myself upset over someone like her.
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Posted: 1/13/2009 3:31:41 PM |
let the child be adopted. lots of loving couples out there,
Oh goodness, I used to think this was a genius solution every person could get behind. Then I was harshly, and rudely invited into the world of "Anti-Adoption."
Right next to those advocating for and against abortion are those fighting AGAINST adoptions! It doesn't matter what the government legislates...someone will always have a problem. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 3:45:13 PM | And maybe...just maybe...the woman was just full of it and really this whole scenario was just to boost her ego or whatever and to be the center of conversatio.None of us are this woman and we will never really know...will we???
And I am pro-abortion.....some folks just shouldn't reproduce in the ways they have let themselves become accustomed to.More kids equal more DCFS dollars.......nah!!! | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 3:45:45 PM | Chatty Cat I did ask her questions. She told me that she just didn't want to practice safe sex.........not that she was raped, not that birth control didn't work. Just that she didn't want to practice that way and why should she because she could have an abortion so she wouldn't have a child she wasn't ready for. What more did you want me to ask her. If her mom told her about her period and that she had eggs in her body that could produce a baby if a sperm mixed with it?
Your right it was a very obvious indicator that something was very wrong here, but who are you to say that it was an emotional problem or a lack of wanting to use protection problem. You don't know any more than I do.........so I guess neither of us is right!!!
Find me one post that says I know everything...........if you are going to accuse me find 1 place where I said I know everything. You are trying to put something on me in which you have no idea.........my kids don't always do as I tell them and I don't spank them...........so what does that say? Or are you just talking out your ass to try to make yourself look good and me bad........
Again...........I'm not saying I handle the situation the right way........I'm sure I we all could have handled some situation in our life much better. What my question ...........Is it alright to use Abortion as birth control alright? I didn't ask if it is alright if you have issues.........I just asked if it was alright? You seem to think because a person has emotional issues their poor judgment is excusable. So, with your line of thinking its alright to cheat, lie, steal, and such because you have emotional issues.........which hey, that is your totally right.......just don't hammer on me because I don't agree. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 3:46:25 PM | So I know someone who got pregnant at 15...her first time having sex. After much discussion and crying, she had an abortion. And thinks about this baby still, 10 years later.
I'm not going to tell you if I think what she did is right or not. BUT...you have to admit there's a big difference b/t what she did and the chick who used abortion as birth control *8* times.
And...I'm pro-adoption.
If I was at that lunch, I would have told her that she killed my precious daughter 8 times. And I would have whipped out a picture of my daughter and shoved it in her fvcking face.
Because my daughter was conceived in an oops kinda way...and her birthmother chose adoption over abortion or raising a child she was not prepared or able to raise.
SHe didn't abort my daughter, she gave 9 months of her life to growing my daughter...a small sacrifice for a human life, in my opinion.
I would NOT have been able to stay at the meal and be civil to the horrible woman...just not.
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Posted: 1/13/2009 3:51:50 PM | LonestarStar, I can't believe there are people out there who are anti-adoption. I totally believe what you've written, but wow! how can you advocate that abortion is always more desirable than an adoption of a baby by a loving couple?
I continue to be amazed and dismayed by the world we live in.....
and you're right. someone will always have a problem. go figure, huh? | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 3:59:22 PM | | 8 Abortions? Think about the hassle getting an abortion is. You really think a person would choose that method for birth control when there are so many easier and less invasive methods available ? Reagan created a myth of a welfare mom driving a brand new cadilac. No one was ever found to fit that profile. The abortion as birth control is a pro-life myth to distort the discussion. In fact if a person can come forward with the medical records as proof that they have had 8 abortions I will give them $100. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 4:02:57 PM |
I will say that if we had been out at night in a club or something and she told me that I would have beat the hell out of her.........not just for what she did, but her "so what" way of talking about it.
my kids don't always do as I tell them and I don't spank them...........so what does that say? Or are you just talking out your ass to try to make yourself look good and me bad........
So you only beat up people in clubs who act in ways you disapprove, but you don't spank your kids. Thanks for clearing that up.
The point I was making is that old saw that two wrongs don't make a right. Abortions should not be used as birthcontrol and violence is no solution for those who use abortions like that.
So I think you should feel good about having standards and you should feel bad about how you go about expressing them.
just don't hammer on me because I don't agree. Try treating others like you wish to be treated Kirota.
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Posted: 1/13/2009 4:05:15 PM | I don't make it a point to chime in on issues that seem to be "woman to woman". This one, I have to say this.
We've had a number of topics here in the forums that talk about how we mold and shift our children. So, I'm prepared to lay this before you all.
How dare the women in here?? Let me see if I have this right; there are a number of you that condone things like allowing your children to choose homosexuality, and make unwise physical choices for yourselves in terms of your bodies...
But, now some of you are actually here condoning this crapola, that this chickenhead whose obviously too lazy to go and get a pack of condoms, before letting herself get f*cked and then f*cked over??
I've heard it all now!!
I don't have to defend anyone, but in this case, I do defend and applaud Kirota. Baby, you not only did the right thing...you did what some people don't have the t*ts to do. Which is to not stand for it. Bra-f'ing-o!!
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Posted: 1/13/2009 4:32:11 PM | Abortion is not birth control and shouldn't be used as such. However, it sounds as if this woman might recognize this now as you said she is responsible now?
Don't judge someone by past mistakes when she recognizes she erred, especially when you never knew the old person.
And let me specify that I'm referring to abortion as an outpatient procedure; the hard-core anti-choice people consider hormonal contraception like the pill to be abortion, and would take away birth control right after they outlawed all abortion. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 4:55:18 PM |  I weep for lives lost - I weep for the choices some are forced to make - I weep for the ignorance that abounds, when someone views abortion as birth control! 'Life' is about choices - sometimes those choices can be made in ignorance! Let's hope those ignorant choices don't take away my right to choose!!  | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 5:49:48 PM |
but then she continued on to say that she had 8 abortions from this practice. I literally thought I was going to throw up and then felt so angry that I wanted to punch her. I am very vocal and asked her WTF? She said she didn't know what the big deal was because at least she wasn't bringing an unwanted child into this world................That was it. I shoved my chair back and walked out as I threw a $20 down on the table for my meal.
Good for you  Kirota, I would have done the exact same thing. It disgusts me just hearing that. I know someone who had 2 LIVE-BIRTH ABORTIONS, TWO! The second one was when she was 28 and she had to go to a different state where it was legal at the time. 8 abortions is nuts! I'm pro-choice as long as the decision is made right away and not into live abortion stage. But 8??
Well good chances are she's going to have cancer. Women who have had abortions jack up their chances of getting cancer do to the cells in the breasts I believe. I forget exactly how it works but the more abortions you have had, the better chances you have of getting cancer and those chances go up depending on some more criteria. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 5:52:18 PM | I can understand your anger ... I feel the same about it ...
Many years ago I was at the doctors office and there was a man and woman sitting about 15 ft away ... They were caring on loudly and there was some arguing ... I heard the guy say that he was tired of her getting pregnet and he had to pay for the abortions ... He said "What is this the 5th or 6th one ?" Neither of them seem to be consered about aborting babies ... and he was was only conserned about the money is all ... It bothered me so much that I kept thinking about the words "What is this the 5th or 6th one" for weeks ...
Years later I heard that after about the 3rd abortion it starts to strip the walls inside a women and could cause her not to be able to have kids ... So I thought back on that lady and I thought well if she desides later she wants kids, she may not be able to have them and she dont deserve them anyway ...
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Posted: 1/13/2009 5:56:40 PM |
how can you advocate that abortion is always more desirable than an adoption of a baby by a loving couple?
Well, the couples that adopt babies aren't always so loving. I was adopted, so I know. But anyway, I'm still all for adoption as an alternative to abortion.
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Posted: 1/13/2009 6:01:06 PM | Aside from the moral issues, using abortion as a form of birth control can seriously hurt your chances of carrying a baby full-term. The body becomes used to ejecting the fetus at a certain size, from what I understand.
Look, OP, I feel the same way as you. I am definitely pro-choice, but is lazy and inexcusable to continually get pregnant when you have no desire to carry full-term.
Interestingly, once I met a woman in similar circumstances to your lunch. She announced to me she only slept with married men. I had to leave the table. She disgusted me. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 6:08:06 PM | | I don't blame you one bit for what you did, sometimes people just need to know when they have done or said something rude or ignorant and horrible. My daughter and her husband may never be able to have children , ( many tears for all of us) and hearing so many of the girls she knew from school getting pregnant and not wanting their babies makes her as angry as you were with this piece of human waste. My personal opinion, abortion should only be an option when the mothers life is at risk or the fetus is already known to have terminal birth defects. Still, this should be the woman choice whether she wants to take the risk or not. For those women who can't bear to raise their own child , then for gods sake, give it to someone who wants to love and cherish your baby. It takes as much as 4o thousand dollars and 10 years of waiting to get one of these so called "unwanted babies" Seems to me, these babies would have no trouble at all being wanted by loving parents. Again, good for you Kirota! | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 6:20:06 PM | Thank you everyone for your replies............I am going to try to keep a more open mind when dealing with some of the craziness that seems to be in this world. I realize that we don't all view things the same and what might be a personal issue to one is just a blip on the radar for others.
While I have been attacked for saying in a club I probably would have beat the shit out of her.........the fact is I probably wouldn't have handled it the same way, by walking away just like I did at lunch. Though I can only guess that, because as well all know drinking can hinder our good judgment when emotion is involved. Which leads me to maybe think that the woman I was referring to made a bad choice from alcohol while she was younger and I can certainly understand that, but not 8 times that could lead to the choice she made. I hope for her sake and what ever man she is with that she has changed and hasn't just run out of clinics close to take care of this.........
Whoa!! Thanks for the input, Caveman! Did you just get home from fag bashing? Let me get you some polysporin for those raw knuckles you've been dragging on the ground!! "Danz is back" is right - back in a time of ignorance and prejudice!! Yuck!!
WOW.........where is your compassion and understanding Cat..........OH MY when Chatty Cat doesn't like something the claws come out and the insults start to fly. Can you say HYPOCRITE and rude? | |
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