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Posted: 1/13/2009 6:24:37 PM | Ninki, I'm so sorry you weren't in a better situation during your childhood. it's a sin that some people treat children so badly, adopted or born to them.
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Posted: 1/13/2009 6:34:21 PM | Wow! Kirota you are a really angry and aggressive person who honestly thinks you are more enlightened and virtuous than the woman who had 8 abortions. You are more out to lunch than she is!
A sensible person would have realized immediately that the woman having lunch with you has a lot of problems to be engaging in such behaviour and that she probably needs compassion, education and help - not a beating. Or maybe the beating is your redneck method of education.
I feel sorry for the woman who had 8 abortions, not only has she been failed utterly by the medical community who should have given her some guidance, but now she has virtual strangers wanting to beat her up.
Get off your high horse and do something useful for a change - your piety is sickening.
Why you have made the OP the object of your affections is beyond Me, You've been dry humping her posts like Ron Jeremy on Viagra .......you want to talk sickening what's sickening is using some one's thread and topic to flame and troll to their own agenda on an issue such as this.
The last time I looked it was a free country and we had the right to choose who we don't want to associate with (which also applies to you). Grab a brain.... like people want to talk about abortion during lunch? riiiiight!!! . This woman had bigger problems long before you came along I highly doubt you could ever help her with the jadedness you have displayed here.  *aaaaahhhhh sigh* (rolling eyes)
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Posted: 1/13/2009 6:45:49 PM | I haven't read every post in this thread.
If one is pro-choice then this should not be a big deal. If you have a problem with it then how pro-choice are you really? Should women only be allowed to have one abortion during their life? Maybe one every five years? Your anger suggests that you may have bought into that anti-choice rhetoric. Just a wild guess.
Ms. I Had Eight Abortions is stupid considering all the types of birth control out there. Abortion is an invasive and painful medical procedure. If I were a woman, I would try to avoid it at all costs. But I wouldn’t be angry at her. I would support her all the way.
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Posted: 1/13/2009 6:51:55 PM | Reading this post. I can appreciate everyone's perspective. It takes all sorts, to make this diverse world operate.
This woman with the 8 supposed births, (whoa, she's either realy fertile or really sexually active!)... she does sound like she has issues and could of had used more compassion. Cat make an interesting point...her "off-hand/calloused" way of talking about her abortions, is indicative of some serious issues. I'll wager that she probably had some sexual abuse. An unborn child, inside your body, is an extensive of yourself. If I were to abort my child, I would be aborting a piece of me.
So...it sounds like she has some kind of disassociation, or what not.
If i were in Kirota's situation, I would of had listened and asked questions. Not so sure if i would of remained friends with her or not..it would depend on many things.
There's a big difference between talking with a rapist and talking with a woman who aborted her 8 unborn children. The rapist has no deep physical or emotional ties with the victim...as a mother would have w/her unborn child, that she would choose to abort. In an essence, she's self-punishing. BIG difference. But wrong nonetheless. But reactions NEED to SUIT the varying shades of reality. Hard line to tread, I know. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 6:57:03 PM | Lawyer....... I respect your opinion, but I do find someone using abortion as birth control a big deal. Not abortions themselves as being wrong........that isn't my choice to make for anyone, but I will not support anyone that uses abortion as birth control.
I haven't read every post in this thread.
If one is pro-choice then this should not be a big deal. If you have a problem with it then how pro-choice are you really?
Maybe you should have read the whole thread instead of just judging someone. I have taken friends to abortion clinics and had shit yelled at me and thrown at me for going there. I think that is totally a woman's choice to do if she feels its right, but doing it 8 times because you can't grasp the concept of safe sex is taking it too far and I do have the choice to find it repulsive even though I believe in a woman's choice to do with her body as she wants.
<div class='quote'>If i were in Kirota's situation, I would of had listened and asked questions. Not so sure if i would of remained friends with her or not..it would depend on many things.
I did ask........she was very ho hum and no big deal about saying she just didn't practice save sex, but does now.
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Posted: 1/13/2009 7:00:24 PM | | I can't believe people would feel sorry for this woman and others like her! Does she feel anything for the babies she put to death? Does she wonder who they would have been or what joy they would have brought her? Or does she think no more of it then it was just an easy way out of her irresponsible behavior. Just because human law allows it ,doesn't mean it is right in the eyes of heaven. I guess the people who think what she and many others have done (abortion) is ok , and have never had to deal with someone close to them not being able to have their own children, or perhaps a daughter aborting their own grandchild. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 7:27:04 PM | Re the Opost
IMO the Opost describes two cases of "extreme" behavior.
What else is there to say?
Ah yes, the case of the 8 abortions woman speaks volumes for the utility of condoms!
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Posted: 1/13/2009 7:39:18 PM | WOW.........where is your compassion and understanding Cat..........OH MY when Chatty Cat doesn't like something the claws come out and the insults start to fly. Can you say HYPOCRITE and rude?
Oh Kirota, you just keep missing the point.
I tagged you for being very hostile and threatening bodily harm to a virtual stranger for conduct you disapproved of.
My response to Danz is Back's is sarcastic and caustic, but at no time do I threaten bodily harm or act ridiculously angry or aggressive towards the guy.
Therefore, NO HYPOCRACY!! You just don't like being wrong so you keep trying to find fault with my posts. How lame!!
Why not try to learn something here about how angry and hostile you come across as, rather than wasting time taking pot shots at me. There are many posters on this thread that brought up that your degree of anger seemed excessive. Are you going to take pot shots at all of them too? | |
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| A serious sexual question for men and women
Posted: 1/13/2009 7:41:25 PM | | I would have a hard time with someone bragging about having multiple abortions. If the idiot can't use protection, or contraceptive, then she should have her snatch sewn together. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 7:46:34 PM | | To me the woman is a skank. Using abortions as birth control is pretty disgusting. I am not here to tell your ladies what to do with your bdies, but come on, there is a limit to everything | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 7:55:56 PM | | I can only imagine the financial cost of doing this over and over again. I can't imagine that being very good for your body either. You think that she would wisen up after the 1st, 2nd, 5th... time doing this | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 8:00:24 PM |
I do have issue with someone using abortion as a form of birth control.
Abortion being used as repeated birth control......just shouldn't even be allowed.
Yes.....I'm prochoice......but that's just ridiculous.
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Posted: 1/13/2009 8:14:48 PM |
I said her angry, hostile attitude and threats to beat this woman up were really just as shocking and inappropriate as the woman using abortions for birthcontrol.
Sorry I'm just not feeling it with You...I don't have time to play pin the tail on the donkey , and to tell you the truth well I'd rather put my forhead through a jip rock wall....it's just boring. I found it very disturbing your bait and switch technique on how you wanted to help this poor tortured soul , to just basically wanting to stir the pot with the OP who is not the topic.
Am I angry??? oh don't fool your self ..far from it ....amused by your behavior ??? YES very!!! you have that one trick pony act covered nicely.
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Posted: 1/13/2009 9:32:11 PM | I think we all agree that the "Ms. 8 Abortions" is not the brightest bulb in the house. I imagine having eight abortions is not the norm. Using abortion as birth control is dumb. But I won't go down that slippery slope and condemn her. If she thinks abortions are fun, I’ll support her.
No one has 8 abortions at the same time. Women only have one abortion at a time. Would you, as a pro-choicer, have stopped her from getting her fifth abortion? Fourth? Third? Made her feel like crap? Condemn her? If she were your friend, would you not have driven her to the clinic? By doing so, you're playing into the anti-choicer's hands who want all abortion illegal.
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Posted: 1/13/2009 9:32:55 PM | Chatty Cat........since you want to quote all of my posts how about this one.
I literally thought I was going to throw up and then felt so angry that I wanted to punch her. I am very vocal and asked her WTF? She said she didn't know what the big deal was because at least she wasn't bringing an unwanted child into this world................That was it. I shoved my chair back and walked out as I threw a $20 down on the table for my meal.
I chose to walk away...........yet you keep bringing it up that I said in a club I would have kicked the shit out of her.......yet I explained said something about it in another post. Learn to read...........read the whole thread. Not just the words that you want to make your point.
But I won't go down that slippery slope and condemn her. If she thinks abortions are fun, I’ll support her.
No one has 8 abortions at the same time. Women only have one abortion at a time. Would you, as a pro-choicer, have stopped her from getting her fifth abortion? Fourth? Third? Made her feel like crap? Condemn her? If she were your friend, would you not have driven her to the clinic? By doing so, you're playing into the anti-choicer's hands who want all abortion illegal.
I'm not condemning her..........where did I say she should be banished. I said it made me very angry that she choice that as a form of birth control especially the way she said it in an "oh well" type manner like everyone is doing it. You say this...........would I have stopped her after the fifth or forth or third.........no I wouldn't have stopped her. Her body is her's.........it isn't my choice what she does with her body. But, I do have a choice to think what ever I think about someone who does this type of thing. To be honest I wouldn't be friends from the start that choice this kind of life style. Yes, I have friends that got pregnant........but they didn't keep doing the same action hoping for a different out come.
Would I have driven her to the clinic for the 5 or so abortion no.........because I know that my friends were given birth control and condoms when they left the abortion clinic.........don't you think that would have been a clue? | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 9:41:21 PM | | Wow, I can not even imagine how upset you were sitting there, it turned my stomach just hearing about it. I am with you, I am very pro-choice until you are just being reckless that many times, I would honestly have to say that woman is no better than a serial killer praying on unborn children, I would have reacted just as you did. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 9:54:33 PM | I don't think you are being prudish. I hate the idea of abortions for birth control.
However, I don't quite understand why you got so angry and upset about it. You were so angry that you had to fight the urge to be violent? And you stormed out leaving your friend behind? Wow! That's a lot of anger to be feeling in *any* situation, let alone anger towards a complete stranger. Especially since this woman no longer seems to be engaging in the type of behavior.
I'd be asking myself what exactly is what about this woman that set you off. I think you can probably learn something about yourself and your own beliefs if you dig into this deeply enough. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 9:55:45 PM | | Normally someone intelligent, would have kept their private life to themself.... althought this happened in her younger years, hopefully after 8 times she learned her lesson . I am just wondering if the 8 times was with the same partner, or multiple partners. But her saying this openly is disgusting. I feel sorry for her kids. Oh Well | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 10:06:05 PM | I am all for abortion and I don't care how many she chooses. Keep your water in your glass and drink it, it'll help the hypocrisy go down. So you're pro-choice, but every woman just gets "one" mulligan, otherwise she is vile?
I don't understand why some people claim to be pro-choice, but ONLY if the choice is the one you would make. THEN it's a well-thought-out decision; HERS was, of course, a poor one. Why are you PISSED at her? It's an elective surgery--are you pissed and refuse to be friends with people who have multiple back surgeries?
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Edit: I posted mine without reading the thread so I wouldn't be influenced by others. I am happy to see so many ACTUAL pro-choice people (rather than just "pro-convenience" ones).
PPS: I AM pro-abortion. I am ANTI-breeding.
PPPS: K, I didn't even IMPLY that you are pro-life. I said you are pro-convenience. You had an abortion because you felt it was the right option [ie, most convenient] for YOU. But HER choice to have "eight" abortions somehow makes *you* ill and angry. I imagine there are MANY out there who vilify YOU for "just the one". I say you are a hypocrite because you HAD one, but are disgusted that she had more than one. Because ONE is ok, more than ONE isn't ok. You're just rationalizing YOUR one mistake as "reasonable", while HER mistakes are "unreasonable". What would be really fun to see is if Ms 8 Abortions found out about a woman who had 12, and got pissed at HER!
OH, and by the way--YOU brought up the question"could you even be friends with such a person", so I tried to give you a scenario to address THAT. I feel you don't have to like ANYONE, for all I care. I have no problem with you up and leaving lunch--which is why I never mentioned it. See a trend here? Do what you want! Let others do what they want! | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 10:09:36 PM | I don't think you are being prudish. I hate the idea of abortions for birth control.
However, I don't quite understand why you got so angry and upset about it. You were so angry that you had to fight the urge to be violent? And you stormed out leaving your friend behind? Wow! That's a lot of anger to be feeling in *any* situation, let alone anger towards a complete stranger. Especially since this woman no longer seems to be engaging in the type of behavior.
I'd be asking myself what exactly is what about this woman that set you off. I think you can probably learn something about yourself and your own beliefs if you dig into this deeply enough.
I'm not exactly sure why it made me so angry.............wait, yes I am. I was angry because someone was so cold about the choice to have an abortion. Like many have said in this thread...........it should be a very emotional decision. I was angry that a person I don't even know their middle name or last name for that fact to start talking about abortions at lunch like it is a common thing to talk about as you are cutting into your roast beef. I found it very disrespectful and pretty much a low class thing to do. There is a big difference from talking about having sex with someone on the first date and telling a complete stranger you have no shame in the fact that you couldn't keep your legs closed or use a condom and had 8 pregnancies terminated.
Please don't even try to tell me that no one ever gets so mad at a complete stranger and has had to walk away? I would call BS. I guess maybe they don't, so just punch them. I see it on the news all the time..........I obviously wasn't mad enough to react on my anger. I walked away before she could even say the next thing that might push the vomit that was already in my throat to come all the way up or to make me want to slap her. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on how mad I should have gotten........because no one but me and my friend were listening to this......
I don't understand why some people claim to be pro-choice, but ONLY if the choice is the one you would make. THEN it's a well-thought-out decision; HERS was, of course, a poor one. Why are you PISSED at her? It's an elective surgery--are you pissed and refuse to be friends with people who have multiple back surgeries?
I was never friends with this woman............nor would I ever be. I don't care about the fact that she has had an abortion. I think 8 is a beyond making poor choices. I guess if I go with your logic on the back surgery............
A person who has 8 abortions isn't responsible to make smart choices.........I would hope that a person who had back surgery wasn't doing something they know could cause the surgery over and over because they were to lazy to take the necessary precautions not to hurt their back.
Why does this person have a choice to 8 abortions, but I don't have the choice to be upset about it? Why because I don't believe in 1 woman having 8 abortions make me pro-life even though I think any women should be able to do it. I just don't think that it should be used as birth control.........but twist it how you want to to make it look like I am prolife........if that makes you sleep better at night. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2009 10:33:54 PM |
it should be a very emotional decision.
Why should it have to be an emotional decision? It certainly would be for me, but I guess I just don't believe that everyone else needs to agree with me on that. It certainly wouldn't shock me if others could view it has just a medical procedure and nothing more. Which really, if you don't believe a fetus is a baby with rights then that is all it really is. Stats also seem to provide some support to her belief that it is better to have an abortion than to bring an unwanted child into the world.
So why exactly should she be feeling horrible and guilty about this? Do you believe that abortion is murder? But you said you were pro choice and think a woman should be able to do what she wants with her body, so that doesn't seem to fit. Have you been in a situation where you felt guilted into having an abortion / not having an abortion? Should she have to struggle with guilt because you did? You don't need to answer, but I just can't help shake that feeling that something really resonated with you personally to make you react so strongly. That's all I was getting at. Not trying to say that you were "wrong" to feel the way you did. | |
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