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Posted: 1/14/2009 5:24:52 PM | This is one messed up gal. In this day and age even if "I weren't interested in sex" with her those unprotected nights are swiriling around in the same city where someone I was interested in resides. Gees.
I worked with a gay guy who bosted to a friend that he had u.p. (bareback) sex with 8 guys in one weekend. This was the late 90's and aids was well on everyones minds cept these guys!!
As for the serial abortions - can't condone that but guess the American medical system allows someone to buy most anything right.
Who started the booger thread?
EZ's Pro-life for the record. | |
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Posted: 1/14/2009 6:19:56 PM | Kayliecat.. I stopped reading when I hit your post... sometimes it's just not possible. This isn't about abortion or adoption or choosing to keep the baby... it's about a woman's callous attitude towards not only her body, but the lives of those 8 babies she aborted.
I am thankful that my guy's bio mom chose NOT to abort him... so I understand what you are saying.
Here's something to think about... Pro-choice doesn't just mean you support and agree to a woman's right to abortion. You agree and support her right to CHOOSE what she wants to do... this includes adoption and keeping the baby as well. Of course the decision isn't an easy one to make.. but it is a personal one and done for many reasons.
Where I live abortions are paid for by the government... they are free for everyone. Birthcontrol costs money out of pocket. I'm not saying abortion should ever be used as a form of repeated birth control... regardless of the reason, but that really isn't the subject of Kirota's post... at least I don't think so. I think it's more about this woman's attitude than anything else. | |
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Posted: 1/14/2009 6:31:16 PM | furthermore...
I think throwing down the money and stomping out was only a little over the top. I don't think it was immature. People shouldn't have to just smile and go along when someone else does something they consider horrible. If more social pressure had been applied to the woman after abortion #2 maybe six unwanted pregnancies could have been avoided. Someone needed to get in the woman's face and say, "Hey, we know what causes pregnancy! We know how to keep it from happening! Grow up and use birth control! 
If social pressure keeps people from hurting themselves and others, I say use it. | |
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Posted: 1/14/2009 6:36:30 PM | I agree with the original post (maybe not storming out... but an emotional reaction can do that to the best of people so... I understand it).
I personally think that we should have a limit to abortions. Unprotected sex, wonder what this woman is carrying around in her va jay jay... perhaps she is just a carrier. | |
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Posted: 1/14/2009 7:11:25 PM | | so if she had told you in a night club you would have beat the hell out of her,......where do you live iran,what gives you that right,she obviously has issues,maybe psychological,maybe a bad upbringing,poor sex education i dont know but i think beating the crap out of her is hardly the answer.not sure who comes out of this looking the worse,her or you | |
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Posted: 1/14/2009 7:23:16 PM |
You say in your post that you are "very prochoice" but your reaction to this person doesn't really show that. There could be any number of reasons why she had 8 abortions....maybe she was raped or sexually abused, maybe she didn't have an older person to whom she could turn for advice and guidance, maybe she wasn't the sharpest pencil in the box. She doesn't come across now as being very on the ball because she suffers from divulging TMI. I wouldn't have flounced out on lunch. I would probably have asked her about her past life. But that's me.
Wow! I don't think you read the OP very carefully SuchARealLady. The woman said she had unprotected sex that resulted in the pregnancies and abortions. So, no rape or sexual abuse there. Just stupidity. Seems to me like Bob Barker's advice needs to be taken with this lady (using that term VERY loosely, no pun intended), she needs to be spayed.
I am a prochoice woman also, who has been in the situation of deciding if having the child would be best for everyone involved or not and I don't know that I could ever go through that decision making process more than once. | |
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Posted: 1/14/2009 7:51:07 PM |
regardless of the reason, but that really isn't the subject of Kirota's post... at least I don't think so. I think it's more about this woman's attitude than anything else.
Thank you..............someone understands what I was upset about.
so if she had told you in a night club you would have beat the hell out of her,......where do you live iran,what gives you that right,she obviously has issues,maybe psychological,maybe a bad upbringing,poor sex education i dont know but i think beating the crap out of her is hardly the answer.not sure who comes out of this looking the worse,her or you
You really need to read the whole thread..........read my posts. I just love when someone comes in and reads one posts and thinks they know all........
If I had really wanted to do something physical I would have done it while she was right in front of me. Have you ever been so pissed at something that you wanted to hit something........I'm sure you have. Wanting to do it and doing it are huge differences..........but hey I guess it must be great in your world where you are never angry.
Sepia..........speak to what you know. You have no children so surely you wouldn't even begin to know how to tell me how to raise mine or know enough about me to know what my children's home life is like. But, I'm sure you are the know all about everything.......lmao.
I don't stalk your posts..........just reading the the forums your venom tends to ooze out all over when you post. It's kind of hard to not notice it. | |
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Posted: 1/14/2009 8:39:59 PM | | This is obviously an idiot, regardless of gender. Prewgnant that many times "unintentionally" is ridiculous, she should realize that in the 21st century, we have finally figured out the cause of unwanted pregnancy, STUPIDITY. | |
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Posted: 1/14/2009 8:42:42 PM | | i have read the whole thread and some of your previous posts,for the most part previously i have agreed with your comments,in your own words you stated that in a different place you would have used violence on someone who is no threat to you,someone who was trying to reach out and make friends.maybe if they had good friends and been given good advice when younger she wouldnt have been in the position she is now,there are medical conditions such as bi-polar that can lead to periods of high sex drive,difficulty in making friends and poor decision making.this could be one reason for her behavior,there are many more.would have respected you more if you had spoke to her and found out more about her,if you had still felt that way you could have then told her how you felt. | |
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Posted: 1/14/2009 8:52:37 PM |
Abortion being used as repeated birth control......just shouldn't even be allowed.
Yes.....I'm prochoice......but that's just ridiculous.
Agreed. Abortion is fine but NOT as a birth control method.
I'm going to really go out on a limb here and voice my opinion that this woman should be shot. Yeah, I mean it. | |
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Posted: 1/14/2009 8:53:15 PM | The acceptance of abortion as a birth control method is just plain wrong. Now I do agree that there are times when an abortion is a medical neccesity. Whether it be for the health of the mother or the unborn child itself. I would never expect a woman to carry a child that was concieved by rape, although I know many have. There are too many other birth control options out there to use.
OOPS.... Just had to add to the poster that refers to an embryo as a "booger", How many "boogers" have you created? | |
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Posted: 1/14/2009 8:55:01 PM | Sometimes.......making "nicey nicey" isn't a reasonable thought in the heat of the moment.
Walking away.....instead of staying there and doing the things that were running thru her mind.....really was the best choice at that moment.
Kirota's comment about physically hurting this woman in a different setting.....
was nothing but her venting here. Anyone that follows Kirota's postings around here...knows she not a violent person.
Strong in her beliefs........Hell Yeah 
and willing to admit to getting a bit worked up over this woman's attitude
She's shown her willingness to compromise........and willingness to open herself up in some of her sexual views.....
I, for one, don't see any reason to suddenly think Kirota is a menace ........especially when we weren't there to witness the callous attitude she had the pleasure to experience. | |
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Posted: 1/14/2009 8:55:23 PM | magicpotion..........very good point. I totally agree I should have handled it much better. But, if she had these issues I am not knowledgeable to even begin to help her. I don't think this woman is mentally stable........for what ever reason with the things I have learned about her today. As someone pointed out it isn't my place to tell about someone I haven't walked in their shoes. I will say that past behavior is never as far in the past as many would like us to think. I think this woman needs help, but I am not the one to give it to her. Again.........her actions were just a small part of my anger. I realize that we all have made mistakes.........but most of us seem to feel a little remorse for them or some sort of regret........not just a simple......Oh well, better luck next time attitude.
I did say that I probably would have done the same thing in a club as I did at lunch, walk away. Just because I was angry as hell when hearing it doesn't mean I would actually act out on it. I guess if being emotional makes me seem like I have anger issues......I'm okay with that. I would rather have emotion than have an I don't give a shit attitude.
Thank you for the kind reply.........very respectful. | |
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Posted: 1/14/2009 9:10:55 PM |
by your logic you were a piece of snot for 9 months too.
Yes and everybody else too. We were all once sperm cells too. You know, that thing swimming in semen that is often seen on women's face in porn films. Yet we don't speak of the sperm cell genocide on Jenna Jameson's face, do we?
It's a booger more than it's a baby. A household pet has more of a claim to being a living being than a parasite in a uterus. | |
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Posted: 1/14/2009 9:30:48 PM | MsMicki..........it is always a pleasure to post with you. Posting with you in the forums has opened my eyes up to many things..........though my eyes are not all the way open yet I am working on it.
I will not apologize for the way that I reacted..........nor will I say that I approve of this woman's practices........but I will say it is her choice and am done talking about it.
For those that think they are making themselves or anyone else look good by talking about abortion or babies like they are boogers or that talking about abortions as murder totally took this thread someplace that it didn't need to go. Nor did talking about any one being killed for the choice that she makes. I know from experience that first reactions can be crazy..........but it is what we think when we calm down and think about it that counts. We all know that abortions can keep an unplanned birth from occurring, but they should not be a common practice in your form of birth control period. If thinking this makes me not pro choice I can live with that. I have my way of thinking about abortions and don't have to have the pro choice label to feel okay with my choices. I will not say I am pro choice again. I will just say that each women has the choice to deal with her body her way..........as many times as she likes, but no matter what..........someone is going to judge you for it. Period. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2009 3:54:17 AM | Never liked Whoopi. So my opinion of HER didn't change.
When this woman finally wants a child, wouldn't it be largely ironic if she couldn't??? Never the way though, people who have no concern for their own life rarely have fertility problems. Natural selection for humans is working in the opposite direction as the rest of the animal world.
Out there only the strongest and fittest survive. Here, only the insanely stupid. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2009 5:39:23 AM | Now, I don't want this to turn into an abortion being murder thread.
How did that work out ?
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.... I don't think abortions should be used as a form of birth control....
......BUT, I do have issue with someone using abortion as a form of birth control.
This is an interesting and oft repeated phrase here that i do not understand.
IF abortion is not a "form of birth control", what is it ?
I THINK i understand what some MAY mean when they say it, but i
doubt if all that have used it here agree what it means. And that is part of why
this thread is BS. Posters to often here do not agree on what the terms they
are using mean.
"Eight is bad, one is OK ...maybe two....OK OK 5, but that is my final offer...today...unless my cousin needs six! "
Now, agree or disagree with that 'quote', surely you can see why some might
have trouble understanding where and why that line is drawn. I will NOT call
anyone here a hypocrite. I do not think anyone here has proven anything
close to such a charge.
But i would ask everyone who has posted to TRY to understand the problems of
juggling conflicting concepts and then making such a position easy to
comprehend on such a limited place as these Forums.
Does Cognitive Dissidence mean anything to you ?
The Big Fish, i believe, has declared all Threads about the what happened on 9/11 to
be verboten. I am not sure exactly what logic was used to decide this, but i
suspect that Abortion could be added to the list .
What do others think........am I just being prudish or would other handle it better than I did?
I think that abortion is not an appropriate topic for lunch. I say this because so many
people can not talk about it without becoming very emotional due to their very strongly
held views, both Pro and Con. I also think it is not an appropriate topic for these Forums
for the same reason. So many people have decided exactly how they feel and have no
patience for conflicting views. We all have been bombarded by idiots who “know”
what is right or wrong and who choose to try to shove their opinion down our
throats to the point that many simply choose to tune all debate out. The cute
tried and tested “Proofs” for both sides are often repeated by people who
have no understanding of what they mean, but are sure they are foolproof
because some Cultural Spokesperson said it on the radio, from a Pulpit,
or on a Forum. When was the last time ANY of us have found a person
over 18 who was truly “undecided” on this topic. Before you raise your hand,
are you sure they were truly undecided or where they simply pretending to
be so to avoid an argument ?
A perfectly "Normal" lunch talk can turn heated with no warning simply because
of how strongly some feel about the topic, yes ?
Your question OP offers us two choices:
am I just being prudish or would other handle it better than I did?
One choice does not have anything to do with the other, does it ?
I suspect there are other Choices. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2009 6:00:21 AM | Great topic to have over lunch with someone you just met!
I would have changed the subject quickly and told my friends never to invite her and you to lunch again
As far as the subject of abortion no matter how many one has
As long as she is using her own money and not my tax dollars .
She's doing us all a favor . She'd be doing us a bigger favor by getting her tubes tied ! | |
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Posted: 1/15/2009 6:06:21 AM |
IF abortion is not a "form of birth control", what is it ?
I thought I said it in this statement.........but hell who knows.
We all know that abortions can keep an unplanned birth from occurring, but they should not be a common practice in your form of birth control period.
Hell, maybe there are women who have enough money to just have an abortion instead of going on the pill or using condoms. Like I said.........it isn't the abortions that made me upset...........do I think 8 is over board.......yes, but it was her attitude towards it. I don't know what to say. You have a choice to think as you want............just the same as I do. I (being the one who started this thread) do not think abortion should be used instead of birth control. Having 8 pregnancies was not an accident.........she choice to use abortion as her form of the pill or condoms.
As for the comment about Whoopi Goldberg.......I don't care. I am never going to hang out with her either.........Again people.........this thread was in part about her "OH WELL ATTITUDE" towards the situation. Not just the abortions. I would have the same lack of respect for a celebrity that had the same attitude and I wouldn't go see there movies. My feelings are not based on who the person is or how famous they are. It's their actions. So, the mere thought that you even tried to throw a celebrity under the bus to make your point shows volumes.
BTW, I'm really hoping that you know for sure that she did have 7 abortions because I think by using her name you might have committed slander if it isn't true, but not sure. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2009 6:52:28 AM | Unfortunately, society can’t go half-way on the abortion issue. Slightly more than getting a physical, slightly less than removing a tumor. It wasn’t human. Isn’t that the rationalization behind being pro-choice? If so, then abortion as a form of birth control is OK. She is lucky that she could still have children after that many procedures, but you can’t say that her choices were any worse than smoking, eating fatty foods, ext. At least, that’s what we are expected to think.
Gone are the days when you could draw a line in the sand and say that some things are just wrong. She played by the rules of the game, and neither her actions nor her “oh well attitude” were irrational. Unlike some, I won’t pretend that I have a degree in psychology (issued by Wikipedia) to diagnose her as being a twisted, terrible person. Rather, it seems to me as though she is a product of modern society. In reality, her values are just different than yours. Consider her a leader in the women’s movement, making another long stride in a similar direction.
She had every right to do what she did. Expecting her to feel regret is absurd because it implies (1) that she shares your values and (2) that they were mistakes. People don’t make the same mistake 8 times; that is what is known as a lifestyle choice. Still, Kirota was right; our past behavior is never as far in the past as most of us would like it to be. Society may have to commit to being pro-life or pro-choice, but no individual has to. I say kudos to you for judging her. She may have had every right to do it, but if you don’t like it then never settle. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2009 6:59:47 AM | Abortion has been around since forever. Nothing's going to change the fact that women do have them, not religious or political figures, that's for sure!
As for the women out there who have had multiple procedures, I really don't know how you can sleep with themselves. Any woman can get pregnant one time out of lack of information, laziness, assault - whatever. After that, you would imagine they know what causes pregnancy. Baring another pregnancy due to assault, or a medical reason to terminate a pregnancy, I find it hard to stomach the fact that anyone - famous or not - has had 8 abortions. | |
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