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 futureshock

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Posted: 5/26/2009 4:47:59 AM

any woman that is not making well above average income, should probably not be having a kid out of wedlock. it isn't about "sin," or morality, it's about fricken common $ense! hello! it's about whether your kid grows up in a house or an apt, lives in a crappy neighborhood or a decent one, goes to a crappy school or a good one. hello! but beyond the finanacial aspect...what about the damn father? hello! kids from two parent, intact families have the best outcomes...all we are doing is creating a society full of broken hearted people...


DITTO.
 sarabara24

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Posted: 5/26/2009 9:43:42 AM

I really hope that the attitude espoused by this guy isn't going to become more prevalent. I think that when our ability to think critically has been eroded to the point where every obvious statement of opinion needs to be preceded or followed with "IMO", or where generalizations must be qualified with "most of the time", we will have reached a point where meaningful dialogue becomes impossible.

which is exactly what this poster is trying to say. That Ann Coulter makes generalizations about ALL single mothers based on what happens “some of the time.” I am sure everyone here has known a single mother that has done a fantastic job with their children and the children turned out fine. The point he is trying to make is that just because it is more likely for children of single mothers to do poorly, does not mean it is ALWAYS the case. Just as men are more likely to commit murders, rape ect. but it is certainly not the case with EVERY man.

I would hope that most people over the age of eight can recognize an opinion without it being pointed out to them, or understand that a generalization is a mechanism for describing a general pattern(and not a statement of an absolute law), but maybe I have more optimism about people's ability to think for themselves and not feel compelled to quibble about conventions that don't have anything to do with the topic at hand than I should

This might be true if Ann Coulter did not claim her opinion to be fact. If you watch the video from the view she does not claim that this is her opinion, she argues that it’s fact. So if we are supposed to recognize that it is her opinion why can’t she?
 Ready4SomethingFun

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Posted: 5/26/2009 2:35:03 PM

This might be true if Ann Coulter did not claim her opinion to be fact. If you watch the video from the view she does not claim that this is her opinion, she argues that it’s fact. So if we are supposed to recognize that it is her opinion why can’t she?


Wait a minute, if it happens some of the time, it is indeed fact. If it might happen it is opinion. Research is what backs up the claim. What is being argued here now is weather or not it is true 100% of the time. I don't recall her ever saying it happened 100% of the time (if she does, she is wrong), but if it happens 50% of the time, it is still FACT, at least half the time. I think her position is single mothers raise bad kids more often than either single fathers or two parent families, and according to her, statsitics bear this to be FACT.

I am not saying it's true or untrue, just making a comment on the way the debate has turned.
 sarabara24

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Posted: 5/26/2009 3:37:19 PM


Wait a minute, if it happens some of the time, it is indeed fact. If it might happen it is opinion. Research is what backs up the claim. What is being argued here now is weather or not it is true 100% of the time. I don't recall her ever saying it happened 100% of the time (if she does, she is wrong), but if it happens 50% of the time, it is still FACT, at least half the time. I think her position is single mothers raise bad kids more often than either single fathers or two parent families, and according to her, statsitics bear this to be FACT

I am not denying the facts that are presented. Like you said it only happens to a portion of single mothers, not ALL single mothers. When Ann Coulter speaks she says single mothers, period. She does not say "some single mothers."
 stargazer1000

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Posted: 5/26/2009 8:40:36 PM
Yes, but if Ann Coulter was talking in the woods, would she be even less relevant?
 futureshock

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Posted: 5/26/2009 10:19:44 PM

I really hope that the attitude espoused by this guy isn't going to become more prevalent. I think that when our ability to think critically has been eroded to the point where every obvious statement of opinion needs to be preceded or followed with "IMO", or where generalizations must be qualified with "most of the time", we will have reached a point where meaningful dialogue becomes impossible. I would hope that most people over the age of eight can recognize an opinion without it being pointed out to them, or understand that a generalization is a mechanism for describing a general pattern(and not a statement of an absolute law), but maybe I have more optimism about people's ability to think for themselves and not feel compelled to quibble about conventions that don't have anything to do with the topic at hand than I should.


This drives me crazy, too. I find that even if I write posts and use words like , "many", most", in a large percentage of cases", etc., I'll still get replies from people mad at me for saying ALL and EVERY!
 tireofbeinglonely2

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Posted: 5/26/2009 10:46:15 PM
Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.

My understanding is that she is attacking the liberal media, beit tv programing or movies that have not only glamorized the "single mother" thing but taken it to new level by making it the in thing to have a child with out a father or husband. Ann feels as most christians that although a mother is a extrodinary person and is capable of raising a perfectly heathly well adjusted child, a father is very important and they serve a valuable purpose in raising children. Sometimes single parent homes don't work and she quotes statistics that say overwelming amout of criminal behavior is committed by persons who were raised by a single mother. She isn't saying that all single moms raise criminals and blaming them. Like always people are offend by Ann cause she isn't afraid address the elephant in the room and she isn't afraid to take the punches of people who are offended by her forward an unwavering style. She says what she knows to be the truth and she stands up for it. Pretty remarkable woman to say the least. You like her or you don't. People will continue to twist her words but she is a brilliant woman and she knows what she talks about.

My other thing is i read the very first post which sorta ran quickly though what happened on "The View" and it was very misleading and left the reader to believe Ann was insulting Barbra and that not at all what it was happening even though like most interviews with Ann she was never allowed to speak in full sentences because the people on the panel of guests or interviewers interupt constantly. She fights to get her point across.
 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 5/26/2009 11:00:51 PM

My understanding is that she is attacking the liberal media,


Considering she restated the "Future strippers" comment. You're understanding is wrong.


My other thing is i read the very first post which sorta ran quickly though what happened on "The View" and it was very misleading and left the reader to believe Ann was insulting Barbra and that not at all what it was happening even though like most interviews with Ann she was never allowed to speak in full sentences because the people on the panel of guests or interviewers interupt constantly. She fights to get her point across.


Oh yah, Ann Coulter would never insult somebody for not being with her politicaly.

Edwards, Clinton, and Gore were gay according to her.
ALL liberals are traitors according to her.
ALL liberals are stupid according to her.
ect.

Just goes to show how Republicanism is the party of personal responsibility. Can't have one of your little nazi heroes outed for what they are after all.
 tireofbeinglonely2

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Posted: 5/26/2009 11:30:37 PM
You could be right, Ann insults liberals as much as liberals insult the conservatives and somehow its only wrong if she does it.. go figure.

Lets see

Reagon was stupid
Bush was a idiot cowboy hick
Cheney was a monster.
conservatives are homophobic, sexist, racists, etc...
 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 5/26/2009 11:41:55 PM

You could be right, Ann insults liberals as much as liberals insult the conservatives and somehow its only wrong if she does it.. go figure.


Al Gore, Clinton, and Edwards are many things, they certainly aren't gay. What I'm saying is not only is Ann Coulter nasty, she doesn't care about issues like accuracy.

Cheney is a monster by the way, as is anybody else who advocates torture out of convenience.
 tireofbeinglonely2

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Posted: 5/26/2009 11:47:19 PM
I didn't think Liberals were insulted by being identified with the gay lifestyle.. There isn't anything wrong with it.
 sarabara24

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Posted: 5/26/2009 11:56:18 PM
^^^^^ what a dumb argument. So now we can say whatever we want regardless of truth as long as it is not offensive? Ridiculous logic.
 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 5/27/2009 12:06:20 AM

I didn't think Liberals were insulted by being identified with the gay lifestyle.. There isn't anything wrong with it.


Sometimes it sure seems the same way in regards to conservatism and dishonesty.
You know, like this post of yours I just quoted.
 Just_2_b_me

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Posted: 5/27/2009 8:38:19 AM
Quick Show Of Hands ...

Who here has actually read her book, and the chapter these ten pages are ranting on about ? ...

From the responses I've seen I would guess roughly two ..... and I'm one of them.

Also from the responses here, you get the feeling liberals simply hate her, and dismiss anything she says, despite the facts and the overwhelming evidence she sites in the book, that again nobody has actually read, but are more than willing to dismiss.

But I could be wrong, as I've been wrong before, but then I found I was only mistaken ...
 flyguy51

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Posted: 5/27/2009 8:59:00 AM

I didn't think Liberals were insulted by being identified with the gay lifestyle.. There isn't anything wrong with it.

At least with Edwards, she called him a f*g. That is intended as insulting. By your "reasoning," one could call a woman a "c*nt," and say, "Hey, I was just associating her with the feminine gender. There's nothing wrong with female genitalia."

Unprovoked insults and incendiary language are part of Coulter's shtick. That her books sell says more about the buyers than her. She is not genuinely funny like, say, PJ O'Rourke. I'm at a loss for what her appeal is.
 Just_2_b_me

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Posted: 5/27/2009 9:46:08 AM

Unprovoked insults and incendiary language are part of Coulter's shtick.


Unfortunately true, she might be taken more seriously if she wasn’t as abrasive in her approach as she sometimes is, however, she might not be as wealthy.


She is not genuinely funny like, say, PJ O'Rourke. I'm at a loss for what her appeal is.


What’s funny is the reaction to her by the left wing nuts that go completely unhinged at the very mention of her name.
To watch grownups, and supposedly intelligent people go completely incoherent and begin foaming at the mouth when trying to debate her is very appealing.
 flyguy51

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Posted: 5/27/2009 9:54:10 AM
What I once found funny was when Huckabee had her on his show, and he immediately played several clips of her openly criticising and insulting him. "Why did you say such things about me, Ann?" Awkward silence!! She stuck to her guns for the most part, though, and they eventually found a middle ground.
 Just_2_b_me

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Posted: 5/27/2009 10:58:07 AM

What I once found funny was when Huckabee had her on his show, and he immediately played several clips of her openly criticizing and insulting him.


I would have so enjoyed seeing that, as I remember her being rather hard on Huckabee for some of his policies and other things he did as governor she didn’t feel were conservative enough or even at all.

To be fair she was pretty brutal towards John McCain as well, and in many cases deservedly so, or at least so I thought.

Again she can and does come across as abrasive, but she usually has her facts straight.


 sarabara24

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Posted: 5/27/2009 11:31:24 AM

Also from the responses here, you get the feeling liberals simply hate her, and dismiss anything she says, despite the facts and the overwhelming evidence she sites in the book, that again nobody has actually read, but are more than willing to dismiss.

The women wrote a book called “how to talk to a liberal, if you must.” I am sorry that I can’t bring myself to think that her POV’s are biased.
 Super Ryan

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Posted: 5/27/2009 1:53:17 PM

Again she can and does come across as abrasive, but she usually has her facts straight.

Yes, she is extremely abrasive; but no, she does not have her facts straight.

Ann Coulter is one of the biggest liars in the public forum. She tells intentional lies, and then uses Lexus-Nexus to find articles she can misrepresent in order to claim her lie as fact.

Here are some examples from http://mediamatters.org/research/200608070002 about her book "Godless".


On Page 175, Coulter attacked "liberals" who would "foist" sex education topics such as "[a]nal sex, oral sex, fisting, dental dams, [and] 'birthing games'" on kindergarteners. Citing a November 8, 1987, New York Times article, Coulter wrote:

"But in contrast to liberal preachiness about IQ, there would be no moralizing when it came to sex. Anal sex, oral sex, fisting, dental dams, "birthing games" -- all that would be foisted on unsuspecting children in order to protect kindergarteners from the scourge of AIDS. As one heroine of the sex education movement told an approving New York Times reporter, "My job is not to teach one right value system. Parents and churches teach moral values. My job is to say, 'These are the facts,' and to help the students, as adults, decide what is right for them."9"

To those who find it odd that Coulter would support her claim about "fisting" being taught to kindergarteners by quoting "one heroine of the sex education movement" and referring to students as "adults," there is a very good reason for that. The woman Coulter quoted was Dr. Beverlie Conant Sloane, then-director of health education at Dartmouth College. The Times article cited by Coulter, titled "At Dartmouth, A Helping Candor," (subscription required) was about the sex education programs available to adult students at Dartmouth -- not children in kindergarten. Not only is the article about adult students, but it is from November 1987, close to 20 years old -- hardly what would be considered to be relevant information on current sex education policies.


So here we see Ann making up an outrageous claim that liberals are trying to teach anal sex and fisting to kindergarten students, and her source is a 20 year old artical about a college sex ed program aimed at adults.
And I have no idea what "birthing games" are.


On Page 248, Coulter wrote:

"In an article in the New York Times on intelligent design, the design proponents quoted in the article keep rattling off serious, scientific arguments -- from [Michael J.] Behe's examples in molecular biology to [William] Dembski's mathematical formulas and statistical models. The Times reporter, who was clearly not trying to make the evolutionists sound retarded, was forced to keep describing the evolutionists' entire retort to these arguments as: Others disagree.2 "

That's it. No explanation, no specifics, just "others disagree." The high priests of evolution have not only forgotten how to do science, they've lost the ability to formulate a coherent counterargument.

The New York Times article Coulter cited -- "In Explaining Life's Complexity, Darwinists and Doubters Clash" -- appeared on August 22, 2005, as Part 2 of a three-part series on the debate over the teaching of evolution. Coulter's claim that the article's author, reporter Kenneth Chang, offered "[n]o explanations" and "no specifics" from the proponents of evolution is flat-out false. Chang offered detailed explanations of how evolutionary mechanisms gave rise to blood-clotting systems, modern whales, and speciation among birds on the Galapagos Islands ("Darwin's finches"). Chang also noted: "Darwin's theory ... has over the last century yielded so many solid findings that no mainstream biologist today doubts its basic tenets, though they may argue about particulars." Finally, and most egregiously, the phrase "others disagree" appears nowhere in the article.


So here we see Coulter not just misrepresenting the artical, but blatently lying about the content of the artical.

Ann Coulter never has her facts straight. She is a blatent liar, a manipulator, and the most dishonest non-fiction writer on the planet (if you can call her a non-fiction writer).
 futureshock

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Posted: 5/27/2009 2:01:00 PM

I didn't think Liberals were insulted by being identified with the gay lifestyle.. There isn't anything wrong with it.


They would have been just as upset if Ann had called them "girls", and there certainly isn't anything wrong with being a girl.

I think Ann Coulter is a disgusting biatch, but I think her views about single motherhood are correct and are backed up by facts.
 tireofbeinglonely2

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Posted: 5/27/2009 5:35:53 PM
I will try again , Ann wasn't attacking single Moms! She was giving up statistics that she found that show that an extremely high percentage of criminal behavior is found in persons raised by a single mothers. She goes on to not blame the Mothers so much as the liberal propoganda that is sent out encouraging woman and even glamorizing the whole single mom thing. Then when it falls apart and children become victims and are open to destructive behavior, lack of parental control and leading to criminal behavior.
 NoBushLover

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Posted: 5/28/2009 12:57:33 PM
^^Love how a single woman with kids defends Coulter when she attacks single women with kids. Nothing says "stupid" as much as that.

Anne Coulter is just jealous because her womb is barren due to her sex change operation. Too bad it didn't take
 futureshock

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Posted: 5/28/2009 1:00:35 PM

Anne Coulter is just jealous because her womb is barren due to her sex change operation. Too bad it didn't take


ROFL!!!! I just fell of my chair laughing!!!!!
 raphael_adroit_esquire

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Posted: 5/28/2009 3:53:04 PM
There's a reason Mattel never made Overzealous Political Pundit Barbie.

This chick is seriously out there. In her opinion, women should not be allowed to vote. Is this funny to anyone but me?
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