| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/17/2009 8:42:04 AM | I say that the media and society has created a monstrous idea that casual sex which results in single motherhood, is responsible. Making it more shameful to be found pregnant at 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 and even 18 would be better than the alternative of abortions and children raising children. The norm these days is when a girl is having sex, gets pregnant, she is rewarded with a monthly government check, food stamps, section 8 housing, and the opportunity to go and do it all over again. There is no deterrant for unwed mothers anymore. She hasn't found love in the home, so she decides to bring a baby into the world, hoping it will give her the life she's fantasized about her whole life. Of course, when the child interfers with her social life, the child gets pushed aside, and mom's needs are met before the childs. If it's lucky enough, a grandparent is around to step in and give it the attention it is not getting from it's mother. And so the cycle repeats itself. Children are not being taught to abstain from a mindset of always having pleasure on demand, regardless what it is.
I think if Caylee Anthony were available for comment, she would see things as Ms. Coulter does....
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/US-Casey-Anthony-Nightclubing-After-Daughter-Caylee-Anthony-Missing/Article/200807415060224?lpos=World_News_Article_Related_Content_Region_4&lid=ARTICLE_15060224_US_Casey_Anthony_Nightclubing_After_Daughter_Caylee_Anthony_Missing
The photos show Casey Anthony smiling and posing with various people at an Orlando club in the US.
The pictures were taken on June 20 yet on July 15 she went to police and told them her two-year-old daughter Caylee had been missing since June 9.
Anthony, from Orlando, is being held in jail on charges of child neglect, making false official statements and obstructing a criminal investigation.
She has not been charged with her daughter's murder but is being held on a £250,000 bond as a person of interest.
Police say they fear Caylee has been murdered but they have not released details of any suspect.
In transcripts of a 911 call, Caylee's grandmother tells an operator she thought her own daughter's car had been used to transport a body.
"There's something wrong," Cindy Anthony told the dispatcher.
"I found my daughter's car today, and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car."
In three 911 calls, she said she wanted to press charges against her daughter Casey, 22, for "grand theft", then in a second call she said she had someone in her home who needed to be arrested in relation to a missing toddler.
Casey Anthony claims her babysitter took the child and she did not report the girl missing for a month because she thought she could find the pair.
Looks like a text book example of what Ms. Coulter is telling us in her book. We have statistics and we have an actual application that proves her opinion ... still want to argue the point? (By the way, Casey was either 17 or 18 when she became pregnant with her now deceased daughter, and she has now been charged with her murder...)
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/17/2009 9:40:53 AM |
I think if Caylee Anthony were available for comment, she would see things as Ms. Coulter does....
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/US-Casey-Anthony-Nightclubing-After-Daughter-Caylee-Anthony-Missing/Article/200807415060224?lpos=World_News_Article_Related_Content_Region_4&lid=ARTICLE_15060224_US_Casey_Anthony_Nightclubing_After_Daughter_Caylee_Anthony_Missing
The photos show Casey Anthony smiling and posing with various people at an Orlando club in the US.
The pictures were taken on June 20 yet on July 15 she went to police and told them her two-year-old daughter Caylee had been missing since June 9.
Anthony, from Orlando, is being held in jail on charges of child neglect, making false official statements and obstructing a criminal investigation.
She has not been charged with her daughter's murder but is being held on a £250,000 bond as a person of interest.
Police say they fear Caylee has been murdered but they have not released details of any suspect.
In transcripts of a 911 call, Caylee's grandmother tells an operator she thought her own daughter's car had been used to transport a body.
"There's something wrong," Cindy Anthony told the dispatcher.
"I found my daughter's car today, and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car."
In three 911 calls, she said she wanted to press charges against her daughter Casey, 22, for "grand theft", then in a second call she said she had someone in her home who needed to be arrested in relation to a missing toddler.
Casey Anthony claims her babysitter took the child and she did not report the girl missing for a month because she thought she could find the pair.
Looks like a text book example of what Ms. Coulter is telling us in her book. We have statistics and we have an actual application that proves her opinion ... still want to argue the point? (By the way, Casey was either 17 or 18 when she became pregnant with her now deceased daughter, and she has now been charged with her murder...)
"a dicto secundum quid ad dictum simpliciter" fallacy.
An example for virtually every nutbar view can be found. Showing an example such as this proves nothing if you cannot show that this is the more common than its opposite.
For each case you can show like this, how many tens of thousands are out there that never even approach this?
How many tens of thousands of children have grown up in single-parent homes without ever being abused, killed or falling into a life of crime and addiction compared to the relative few who meet this exception?
I suggest even a quick look around this site at all the posters who were raised in single-parent homes for evidence of what I suggest.
Kind of destroys this "exception which masquerades as a rule" doesn't it? | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/17/2009 10:18:50 AM | The Leave it Beaver days NEED NOT be a thing of the past... Spare us please, the "Leave it to Beaver" days never existed in anything close to the way you appear to imagine them. I say that the media and society has created a monstrous idea that casual sex which results in single motherhood, is responsible. That is as much nonsense as: the Left's psychology impressed upon them which forbids teaching young girls that life is generally easier when sex comes AFTER marriage, and instead tells them that all sex is always ok and consequence free.
whatever.. I think you just proved my case.
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/17/2009 10:35:05 AM | specific but invisible statistics
WTF?
Either they are specific and visible, or they are not.
It is vital to remember what Ann Coulter's job is: to incite.
Her success depends on public reactions to the (in my opinion) twisted facts and skewed logic she sh!ts on every page of her books.
Even I was tempted to order the book online last night--thankfully, there was a rerun of an NCIS episode on, and I watched that instead...
Is Coulter specifically addressing those women who choose to become single mothers?
Or those women who were abandoned by the fathers of their children?
Women who were victims of incest or rape, where a child was the result?
Specifically, whom is Coulter blaming? | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/17/2009 10:53:50 AM | Invisible because in 3 pages of posts, nobody has acknowleged these stats...they only attack the messenger.
Is Coulter specifically addressing those women who choose to become single mothers?
Yes obviously. But continue to fuel abstract sidelines to the spirit of the thread.
Or those women who were abandoned by the fathers of their children?
Possibly. This results in single motherhood. The end result is the same.
Women who were victims of incest or rape, where a child was the result?
No obviously. These cases are very rare & account for less than .5% of all births. But one would not know this INVISIBLE statistic...only rhetoric .
I dont care who Coulter is blaming....thats not the point obviously....so another 3 pages of deflection, attacks, & misinterpretation it seems. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/17/2009 11:57:27 AM | I'm still waiting to hear where anyone from the View disagreed with Ann on her views on single motherhood besides the fallacies cited.
Whoopy just questioned her validity as not being a mother which is predictable from such an intellectual tv program. Nothing shows anyone
disagreeing, only dissing.
If the video shows something that's why I didn't catch it.
Got a 12 year old dial up pc here. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/17/2009 12:47:10 PM |
NEW YORK - Last week, Ann Coulter squared off against Matt Lauer on NBC’s “TODAY” show, and Monday the conservative political pundit brought her provocative point of view to ABC’s “The View.” I haven't had a chance to look at the Matt Lauer interview ... was it anything like the appearance on "The View"?
Ann Coulter is a idiotic nut case. I mean, to sit there and write something about how single mothers are to blame for violence increases in society is flat out ridiculous alone within itself. You know ... as a nurse working in a jail (for about a year) ... I wonder if maybe while we're asking the inmates all the medical questions ... maybe we should just ask them too ...
"By the way, are you the result of a 'single mother' and if so, in your opinion, is that the reason you're now sitting in front me being asked these questions before they escort you back to a cell?"
If you directly ask the people who are being caught and convicted ... wouldn't that be reliable information?  | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/17/2009 4:08:06 PM | I am not going to argue if the satistic about single mothers is true. Because it is a false statistic. Just because there is a coerlation, does not mean one causes the other.
Here's a good example of what I am talking about on a different topic:
The Treason Times' banner series about Iraq and Afghanistan veterans accused of murder began in January last year but was quickly discontinued as readers noticed that the Times doggedly refused to provide any statistics comparing veteran murders with murders in any other group.
So they waited a year, hoping readers wouldn't notice they were still including no relevant comparisons.
What, for example, is the percentage of murderers among veterans compared to the percentage of murderers in the population at large -- or, more germane, in the general population of young males, inasmuch as violent crime is committed almost exclusively by young men?
Any group composed primarily of young men will contain a seemingly mammoth number of murderers.
Consider the harmless fantasy game, Dungeons and Dragons -- which happens to be played almost exclusively by young males. When murders were committed in the '80s by (1) young men, who were (2) Dungeons and Dragons enthusiasts, some people concluded that factor (2), rather than factor (1), led to murderous tendencies.
-Ann Coutlter January 14th, 2009
http://www.anncoulter.com/
Funny how when she does not like a stat, she will tear into its validity, but she will use the same dishonest techniques to bolster her rediculous arguements. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/17/2009 5:34:24 PM | I don't know if it was on the Lauer interview or not but I watched her say somewhere
that we don't see men being exalted for being single fathers.
Her examples were hilarious which is what she is, a comedian. She just touches chords in the left that gets this uproar going
which in turn turns into major publicity which turns into millions of dollars.
Al Franken, another who is nothing but a comedian, would love to get her book deals but had to get a job with a salary instead. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/17/2009 6:11:34 PM | The Treason Times' banner series about Iraq and Afghanistan veterans accused of murder began in January last year but was quickly discontinued as readers noticed that the Times doggedly refused to provide any statistics comparing veteran murders with murders in any other group.
I wouldn't be surprised if statistics showed that soldiers returning from war did commit more violent crimes than average. These young men are trained to be violent, combine that with the psychological trauma exposed to them in open warfare and I would expect that a certain number of these men would have trouble readjusting into regular society. This is a neccasary evil of maintaining an armed forces. In order to make any statistic relevant I would still want to see the percentages of violent crimes commited by non-veterans in the same age group.
Consider the harmless fantasy game, Dungeons and Dragons -- which happens to be played almost exclusively by young males.
This is corelation. Maludjusted geeky kids are more likely to do geeky behaviour - including murder. Maladjusted geeky kids like geeky games. Kind of like the chicken and egg question... which came first?
I say:
1)A kid who is maladjusted or geeky is more likely to choose geeky behaviour, be it something harmless like a game, or something extreme like murder.
2)Single parent households produce more maladjusted geeky kids than a two parent household.
Why is it so many on the left are not willing to admit that a two parent household is better for raising children? Why are the bleeding hearts who advocate prisoner's rights (or shorter sentences) willing to use "he was raised by a single mother" as an excuse when it seems appropriate?
When republicans ran campaign ads saying something like "We are the party that promotes family values" some democrats claimed these were attack ads... and I agreed (not that the democrats haven't done their own share of attacking.)
With so many of the left here denying that single parent households are less desireable than two parent households my opinion is starting to change. Maybe the democrats really are the anti-family party.
I don't think anybody forced the left into claimining ownership for the single parent crisis. Now it seems that you want this responsibility... but only if we all play along and say "It isn't really a crisis." | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/17/2009 9:06:35 PM |
Maludjusted geeky kids are more likely to do geeky behaviour - including murder.
These threads in the "Off Topic" section are quite educational. From now on I will cower in fear every time I see a dude with a pocket protector riding a Segway scooter. You just never know what kind of malevolence he could perform with that iPhone.
Also, I had no idea of the following:
The majority of the ladies on this site are single moms.
Who am I to argue with statistics? | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/17/2009 10:50:36 PM |
Looks like a text book example of what Ms. Coulter is telling us in her book. We have statistics and we have an actual application that proves her opinion ... still want to argue the point? (By the way, Casey was either 17 or 18 when she became pregnant with her now deceased daughter, and she has now been charged with her murder...)
I just searched a bit through the internet, and it turns out some children in traditional families have also been murdered by their parents. Hard to imagine, I know. 
I guess this means traditional families also shouldn't have children. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/17/2009 10:53:25 PM |
I don't think anybody forced the left into claimining ownership for the single parent crisis. Now it seems that you want this responsibility... but only if we all play along and say "It isn't really a crisis."
I think it is more likely that we just aren't as willing as some of you to blame an entire group for the actions of a few. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/17/2009 11:40:56 PM | "If you directly ask the people who are being caught and convicted ... wouldn't that be reliable information?"
Absolutely not. criminals are experts at the blame game. Everything they do is somebody else's fault that they do it. They never step up to individual accountability.
Coulter is playing the blame game just as much. Rather than having criminals step up to responsibility she is blaming they upbringings. She is limiting it to their upbringings but apparently she puts aside all the criminals who did have fathers around and just blames the criminals who were raised by mothers.
The issue is whether there is a correlational statistic or a causal statistic and I do not see that she has ... or anyone on here ... has proven the causal statistic of single motherhood. Only that there is a correlary sometimes. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/18/2009 10:01:06 AM | Coulter has clearly said that the LEFT is responsible for the illegitimacy problem in the United States.
This statement posted by another member makes Coulter's point:
She does not blame single mothers themselves, they are victims of the Left's psychology impressed upon them which forbids teaching young girls that life is generally easier when sex comes AFTER marriage, and instead tells them that all sex is always ok and consequence free.
WHO is 'forbidding' teaching young girls that life is easier when sex comes AFTER marriage? I want NAMES and PLACES. I want PROOF that someone on the LEFT has 'forbidden' anyone to teach that.
I want to know WHO has told our children that 'sex is always ok and consequence free'.
I want NAMES.
What a divisive load of horseshit. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/18/2009 10:16:14 AM |
I wouldn't be surprised if statistics showed that soldiers returning from war did commit more violent crimes than average. These young men are trained to be violent, combine that with the psychological trauma exposed to them in open warfare and I would expect that a certain number of these men would have trouble readjusting into regular society. This is a neccasary evil of maintaining an armed forces.
Even though I am a republican..I think Ann Coulter is a putz...
As for the quote above...I am a vet with 12 years service...seen combat more than once. I was trained to be violent WHEN NEEDED..I have never committed a crime and I know hundreds of fellow soldiers personally who have never committed one either! Trauma in open warfare? Yes...I remember ...yes I deal with it...but in a non violent way.
There are ex soldiers who commit crime in a violent manner...but they were most likely headed that way BEFORE they were in the military. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/18/2009 1:31:51 PM |
"If you directly ask the people who are being caught and convicted ... wouldn't that be reliable information?" Absolutely not. criminals are experts at the blame game. Everything they do is somebody else's fault that they do it. They never step up to individual accountability.  
Of course I'm well aware of the game criminals play. Most are professional cons. It was always funny the way they would try to con us nurses into giving them pills ... just an Aspirin or Tylenol. It wasn't because they even needed it. Mostly it is the thrill of the game for them.
Even though I am a republican..I think Ann Coulter is a putz... As for Coulter? Trust me ... if the poster who wrote the above says that ... you can believe it. Coulter's value to the media is that she stirs up trouble and she openly admits that. I wonder if that means she's a "professional troublemaker"?  | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/18/2009 2:22:05 PM |
all i can add is that the rate of teen pregnancy has increased dramatically since the introduction of so-called "sex education." if you compare out of wedlock birth statistics from the 50's to the stats of today, the increase has been pretty dramatic. the link between poverty and single motherhood is pretty damning. but i suppose that isn't something that is imparted during today's "sex" education classes.
The numbers of KNOWN teen pregnancies have increased. In earlier years it was not a topic for discussion. In fact I doubt that newborn's deaths were fully investigated or questioned.
Abigail Adams was appalled when she went to France and saw the large numbers of illegitimate children that were being raised there. People act like this is the first generation who have ever had this problem. Motherhood is not being looked at as a job. We begrudge the amount of time that is spent for raising children in the home. Do I think it is better to raise children in a two parent home. Yeah, if they can get along - but who can make that decision but them. Children are the future building blocks of society. I agree that they shouldn't be raise dby someone who is not willing to put the child's needs ahead of their own, but who would be qualified to determine that? Ann Coulter?
For anyone who wants to bring up Casey Anthony, let me just bring up the Menendez brothers. After all they were raised in a two parent home. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/18/2009 2:26:41 PM | I asked a friend if she would relate part of her experience raising her children as a single mother. She gave me permission to use her kids as an example of what happens when you're a single mother AND you pay attention to your job.
Too bad Ann Coulter didn't talk with my friend before she wrote her book.
"My oldest child, her father left town when I told him I was pregnant. She has never lived with him, and does not speak with him today (as far as I know). She took honors classes in high school, has graduated college, left a 60k per year job to join the Peace Corps and is now serving in Eastern Europe teaching health care. She wants to go to Vienna when she is through and go to grad school. She wants to be a therapist.
My next child, just graduated from the sheriff's academy, and my Deputy son gave me the best present ever for Christmas - my first grandchild.
My third child has managed to graduate high school despite his learning disabilities and the fricken state exit exam which does not go far enough to accomodate the learning disabled in my opinion, and is attending college while trying to find a job in this awful ecomomy.
My youngest is the sweetest little girl in the world, who loves so freely, and feels so deeply she cries if she thinks she has caused anyone a moment of pain. She is possibly more empathetic than I am. She is my heart. She has not had her father in the home since she was 18 months old.
I did not receive public assistance other than Medi-Cal when I was pregnant the first time, and one month's food stamps during that pregnancy. I have cared for my children and done whatever I had to do to support them.
I pay my bills, I pay my taxes, and I am buying my first home on my own - which will close escrow 1/30/09. In fact, My life and the lives of my children are much better today BECAUSE I became a single mother again after 15 years of marriage. If we had not divorced, I am 100% certain I would have trashed credit, only one car working for all of us, no money in the bank, and would never have been able to purchase a home.
Yeah, us single moms are the cause of all the trouble in the world. Crappy economy, my fault. War in the middle east - blame me. Global warming - guilty as charged. " | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/18/2009 4:33:35 PM |
Will wonder's never cease I agree with the poster.
I put Coulter on the same level as Al Frankin...two dumb asses....
Both just running their mouths and spewing idiocy! To think anyone would take what they say seriously is proof of lower brain function. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/18/2009 8:12:14 PM |
Trauma in open warfare? Yes... I remember... yes I deal with it... but in a non violent way.
I agree that the vast majority of returning vets are upstanding members of society and deal with any past traumas just fine. In an ideal world soldiers would never be sent to war, or be forced to witness what nobody should have to view. We don't live in an ideal world and whether they like to admit it or not, nations who want freedom depend on the US to maintain a strong armed forces. I thank you for your service.
I'm going to try and say this as politically correct as possible:
In an ideal world all children would receive the love and support and discipline from both their mother and father on a daily basis.
^^^^ Nobody has ever lived in that ideal world and now it seems that popular wisdom is telling us that because it is an unattainable dream nobody should bother to strive for it. I realize that many marriages are filled with hate and should be ended. At the same time many marriages are ended out of convenience or boredom or many other frivolous reasons... and for some reason in todays society this is viewed as perfectly acceptable. I also realize that for whatever reason more single women are having babies in the last 40 years.
Other than these crime statistices appear to support suspicions that I've always held, I really have no interest in them. I don't spend one minute of my day living in fear of crime.... outrage sometimes... but I'm not really a fearful person. However I am fearful that today's children are less happy and cared for than in past generations... and as another poster has pointed out... it is a vicious circle that will cause even more pain for future generations.
WHO is 'forbidding' teaching young girls that life is easier when sex comes AFTER marriage? I want NAMES and PLACES. I want PROOF that someone on the LEFT has 'forbidden' anyone to teach that.
I want to know WHO has told our children that 'sex is always ok and consequence free'.
I want NAMES.
Okay... Jerry Seinfeld, Charlie Sheen, Pam Anderson, Madonna and Britney Spears. If you want more just look at the names on any movie or telivision show or music video that is selling sex. I like sex, I've laughed at dirty jokes and most often I put the remote down when I flip to a channel with hot looking naked girls... or even half naked hot girls.
Censorship is needed at certain levels. People who say that "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" is pornography are nuts. Even so if those same "nuts" are angry that at 5 PM children can tune in to watch guys talk about boners on "Two and a Half Men" then I would have to agree with them.
There are those who make attacks on the conservative right as being religous zealots, yet I feel no compelling urge to start attending church.
If a wingnut like Coulter says it is the left who promote sex through mainstream media I see no reason why anybody on the left would insist on proving her correct.
What a divisive load of horseshit.
It doesn't have to be divisive. A rational adult can admit that a skanky b*tch like Coulter has some truth in her message, without feeling the need to peal the "I voted for Obama" sticker off their bumper. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/18/2009 9:16:47 PM |
It doesn't have to be divisive. A rational adult can admit that a skanky b*tch like Coulter has some truth in her message, without feeling the need to peal the "I voted for Obama" sticker off their bumper. Where does anyone find any truth in the message that Coulter sends?
I had four children. I had a hateful ex-husband who poisoned the children against me. But one year after the divorce, he decided he just couldn't handle our ADHD son (our youngest) and so he begged me to take him.
When I got our son back, he was failing in school. During the entire time I had him ... he was on the honor roll at school, I got him into therapy, got him back on his medication (that helped him concentrate), attended Karate classes with him, taught him to square dance, and taught him to play a musical instrument.
During the entire time, his father never paid one penny of child support. I was the caregiver of my parents at that time with little or no income. I ended up cashing in all my savings bonds (from previous employment) and taking out loans on my life insurance just to keep a roof over our heads and food on the table.
His father convinced a court-appointed guardian ad lidum that I was a controlling b1tch and as a result ... the boy was taken away from me. That was the beginning of the end. My son is now dead.
After his death, I discovered that his own father had supplied him with alcohol long before he was even old enough to buy it on his own. He regained custody of our son and promptly took him off of his medication. Our son was kicked out of several public schools before he finally graduated from some "christian" school that taught more religion than history and math.
Ya ... single mothers are to blame for a lot of things ... but the breakdown of our society ... I doubt it. | |
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