Ann Coulter is a idiotic nut case.

Okay... Jerry Seinfeld, Charlie Sheen, Pam Anderson, Madonna and Britney Spears.

Are you seriously trying to argue that these people give the message that sex is consequence free?

The Leave it Beaver days NEED NOT be a thing of the past...

Spare us please, the "Leave it to Beaver" days never existed in anything close to the way you appear to imagine them.


I say that the media and society has created a monstrous idea that casual sex which results in single motherhood, is responsible.

That is as much nonsense as:


the Left's psychology impressed upon them which forbids teaching young girls that life is generally easier when sex comes AFTER marriage, and instead tells them that all sex is always ok and consequence free.


whatever.. I think you just proved my case.

If you compare out of wedlock birth statistics from the 50's to the stats of today, the increase has been pretty dramatic. the link between poverty and single motherhood is pretty damning. but i suppose that isn't something that is imparted during today's "sex" education classes.

Family Structure and Welfare Dependency

Rising divorce rates combined with a huge increase in childbearing outside of marriage have led to a situation in which most children born today will spend some time in a single parent family. And since roughly half of these single parents are poor (Figure 1), large numbers of children are growing up in poverty as well.

Indeed, the growth of single parent families can account for virtually all of the increase in child poverty since 1970 (Figure 2).

The growth of female-headed families has also contributed to the growth of the welfare rolls. According to the Congressional Budget Office, welfare caseloads would have declined considerably throughout most of the 1980s if it had not been for the fact that the growth of single parent families continued to push them upwards. Moreover, this factor was more than twice as important as the economy in accounting for the roughly one million increase in the basic caseload between 1989 and 1993.


It is not just the growth of female-headed families but also shifts in the composition of the group that have contributed to greater poverty and welfare dependency. In the 1960s and 1970s, most of the growth of single parent families was caused by increases in divorce or separation. In the 1980s and 1990s, all of the increase has been driven by out-of-wedlock childbearing. Currently, 32 percent of all children in the United States and more than half in many large cities are born outside of marriage. Unmarried mothers tend to be younger and more disadvantaged than their divorced counterparts. They are overwhelmingly poor (Figure 1) and about three-quarters of them end up on welfare.

i'll say it once i'll say it a hundred times...ann coulter is right about this issue.

The issue is whether there is a correlational statistic or a causal statistic and I do not see that she has ... or anyone on here ... has proven the causal statistic of single motherhood. Only that there is a correlary sometimes.

Out-of-Wedlock Childbearing: Cause or Symptom of Poverty?

Some contend that many of the women who have babies as unmarried teens would have ended up poor and on welfare even if they had married and delayed childbearing. The argument is that they come from disadvantaged families and neighborhoods, have gone to poor schools, or faced other adverse influences that make having a baby at a young age as good an option as any other. There are few men with jobs for them to marry, and given their own lack of skills, welfare seems like a relatively good alternative. Moreover, earnings for less skilled men have plummeted over the past 30 years.



Although such arguments cannot be dismissed entirely, they are only a small part of the story. To begin with, the drop in marriage rates, which has been especially pronounced among African Americans, has been much larger than any economic model can explain. Second, early child bearers are much less likely to complete high school, leading directly to poor long-term employment prospects for the young women involved. The children in such families suffer even greater adverse consequences, including poorer health, less success in school, and more behavior problems.

Finally, the argument that declining earnings has made marriage less viable is a curious one. Two adults can live more cheaply than one, and by pooling whatever earnings can be secured from even intermittent or low paid employment, they will be better off than a single adult living alone. These arguments are doubly true once a child enters the picture and one parent either needs to stay home or shoulder the extra expense of paying for child care.



One can grant that the earnings prospects of poorly educated, inner city residents are not good and have deteriorated in recent decades, and that better schools and more support systems for low-income working families would help. Still, early out-of-wedlock childbearing greatly compounds the problem. Even well-educated individuals in their twenties have difficulty living on one income these days, and most middle class families have two earners. Yet, for some reason, it is assumed that if the men in low-income communities can't command a decent wage, they are not marriageable. But fathers are, or should be, more than just a meal ticket. And although two minimum wage jobs will not make anyone rich, they will provide an income (....) well above the poverty level for a family with two children (Figure 3). In short, marriage and delayed childbearing have the potential to solve a lot of problems, including assuring a better future for the next generation.

like it or not ann is 100% right.

Non-Teenage Single Mothers Face Financial Hardships

The out-of-wedlock birthrate among teenagers has declined in recent years, but it continues to rise among women 20 and older. By 2003, three out of every four unwed births were to women aged 20 and older (National Center for Health Statistics, 2005). A 1998 paper studied the economic status of this large but sometimes overlooked group of mothers.

Researchers considered 2,613 births to 1,615 women between 1980 and 1990. They examined the economic status-as measured by the income-to-needs ratio, poverty-class status (poor or middle class), and welfare usage-of the mothers in the year before and the year after birth. They found striking similarities in the income measures of the non-teenage (“older”) single mothers and the teenage mothers. However, among the older women, they found significant differences between the married and single mothers. For example, 36 percent of the older single mothers, but only 5 percent of the older married mothers were poor. Older single mothers also were the most likely to be on welfare. In the sample, 59 percent of the older single mothers received welfare in the year after birth, compared to 41 percent of the teenage mothers and just 9 percent of the older married mothers.

These findings suggest that non-martial childbearing at any age, including among 20- and 30-somethings, creates financial hardships for mothers and their families.

Jeffrey Dahmer--raised by two parents. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold--Columbine murderers--and the Menendez brothers

The 15% of 2 parent families that share these problems simply neutralize the other 85% & render them invisible.

Any statistic that states only 15 percent of the problems are from two-parent families, and 85 percent of the problems are the responsibilty of single parent families, is a statistic that is complete BS.

Nobody in this thread has shown statistics that would counter Coulter's claims...

"there are lies, there are huge f#$%&ing lies, and then there are statistics"

In fact there is tons of evidence that poverty causes a rise in both crime and single motherhood.

is he offers no solution on fixing the problem. Just blame and hate, that's all Ann ever offers.