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neopol
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| | Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.Page 5 of 11 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11) |
Any statistic that states only 15 percent of the problems are from two-parent families, and 85 percent of the problems are the responsibilty of single parent families, is a statistic that is complete BS.
True. sorry..I misread the stat. Its more like 2/3 instead of 4/5. Whew. What a relief! The 30% of 2 parent families that share these problems simply neutralize this other 70% & render them invisible. Correct? Geez.
Nearly 70 percent of juveniles in state reform institutions come from fatherless homes, as do 43 percent of prison inmates.(4) Research indicates a direct correlation between crime rates and the number of single-parent families in a neighborhood.(5)
(5)Douglas Smith and G. Roger Jarjoura, "Social structure and Criminal Victimization," Journal of Research in Crime and Delinquency, February 1988; William Niskanen, "Crime, Police, and Root Causes," Cato Institute Policy Analysis no. 218, November 14, 1994.
Single mothers account for about 25% of all families, but their children account for 43% of prison inmates(almost double), & 70% of juveniles in state reform institutions(almost triple). More coats of whitewash needed, pronto! | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/25/2009 8:14:36 PM |
Nobody in this thread has shown statistics that would counter Coulter's claims... but I guess if you don't like what you hear you call B.S.
No, I call something BS when it is BS. And you don't need statistics to argue against these ridiculous claims of Coulter's, all you need is common sense and observation of the world around you. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/25/2009 9:21:04 PM | I saw a story on the net yesterday stating Ann Coulter may be transgendered. 
Here are some postings:
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Pam's House Blend:: Way Off-Target: Calling Ann Coulter A Transvestite
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/25/2009 10:26:35 PM | Whoa.
As much as I detest Ann Coulter, that ^^^is over the disgraceful line.
Have you read anything about her family? Researched anything beyond the tabloids?
I do not consider Coulter to be a journalist, rather she is an entertainer, as are Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and others of their ilk.
More to the point: if Ann Coulter were transgendered, so what? She still espouses the same vile drivel, still sells books filled with soulless diatribes against any who oppose her opinions. Being transgendered changes nothing.
To bring a question of her gender into a discussion about her recent book is a deflection from the topic at hand and is, in my opinion, malicious. Seriously--what was the point? | |
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neopol
| | Joined: 9/26/2006
Msg: 107 | |
| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/26/2009 10:16:18 AM |
No, it is more like nobody actually knows the exact figures, despite the claims of people like Coulter.
Of course nobody knows the exact figures . Thats why I used rough fractions instead of a precise percentage. Im simply grabbing readily available statistics from this wealth of well-researched & collected subject matter.
All we have are these very obvious & very visible statistical trends...much like what is used to gauge the economy. There is no EXCACT magic figure or statistic that shows either example...merely a researched compilation of educational data that paints a comprehensive picture. This type of denial whitewash tries to paint over that picture.
Having an exact figure is merely icing on the statistical cake. The cake is still there. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/26/2009 10:33:56 AM | This type of denial whitewash tries to paint over that picture.
The denial whitewash is blaming society's ills on single mothers. As someone who sees a lot of parent's interactions with their kids, I can assure you that average parenting these days is pathetic, regardless of one parent or two. Many of today's parents are unwilling to give their kids any amount of discipline or notions of responsibility. Anything the kids do wrong is blamed on others, or simply ignored. The quality of parents is what is lacking, not the quantity. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2009 12:14:50 PM | I am not stating that Ann's stat is wrong. I am stating that Ann's conclusion that single mothers should be blamed for crime is retarded.
Let's start with a stat from this thread. I do not know how factual it is, but for the sake of arguement I will accept it as true.
Single mothers account for about 25% of all families, but their children account for 43% of prison inmates(almost double), & 70% of juveniles in state reform institutions(almost triple).
I'm going to leave the prison stat for a second and start with the juvie stat.
The 70% does not represent crimes commited, it only shows the incarceration rate. And here is a fact I know is true. Children from single family homes, or foster care are way more likely to get a sentence in juvie then a kid who committed the same crime with two parents at home. Without knowing what the actual rate of crimes committed, by youth and their family arrangement, this stat does more to prove children of single parents get stiffer juvie sentences over two parent children, then it proves single mothers cause crime.
Now let's get to the "43% of prison inmates(almost double)".
It's believable enough. I see no reason to argue its validity. But it does not prove that the rise in single mothers causes more crime.
It is easy to see that areas with high rates of poverty and crime in America are also home to higher rates of single mothers. So you might find that areas with high rates of crime might actually exceed 43% of children living in single parent households.
So if a bad area has a rate of single parent families at 43% and children from single parent families make up 43% of criminals, then children from two parent homes commit crimes at the exact same rate as children from single parent homes.
Let's go even further. If 80% of crimes are commited in areas that have a rate of single mothers at 60%, and 20% of crimes are commited in areas where single mothers account for only 20% of the population. Now if these stats were true (they probably are not, I made them up), then children of single mothers should account for 52% of crime. But the stat above states that they are only responsible for 43% of prisoners. So it would seem children of single mothers are slightly less likely to commit crimes.
It's not fair to take a statistic on the whole country and form conclusions without further demographics.
I'll give an example of what I am talking about. Let's say you wanted to do a study of single mothers and crime. You don't have enough money to sample the entire country, so instead you choose two cities: Detroit and Salt Lake City. Again I will make up numbers. Let's say both cities have the same population. Detroit has 9,000 crimes commited each year and Salt Lake City has 1,000 crimes commited each year. In Salt Lake City children from single parents account for 5% of the population and commit 5% of the crimes. Now let's say Detroit children from single parent homes make up 50% of the population and account for 50% of the crimes. The two stats on their own give evidence that children from single parent homes commit crimes at the same rate as children from two parent homes. But if we combine the data from the two cities we see something different. We now have a stat that would state 27.5% of children live in single parent households and commit 45.5% of the crimes. Quite a difference, simply by manipulating the data, I went from an even rate of crime for single parent children, to almost twice the rate, and all I did was combine the data from two cities.
There are lies, there are huge f#$%&ing lies, and then there are statistics.
So why are there so many more single mothers now then say 50 years ago?
It's quite simple. We no longer have shotgun weddings, and we don't send girls to monastaries to have their babies. But there is one thing that keeps the number of single mothers down, abortion, and if Ann had his way, they would be outlawed and we would have even more single mothers, many of whom would resent their children simply because they were forced to have them.
I am going to throw this out again. In the last fifteen years we have seen a steady increase in women having children out of wedlock, and in the same period crime in America has steadily gone down. In statistics this is called a negative coerlation, if one goes up the other goes down - negative coerlation. And it is very simple that if there is a negative coerlation, one can not cause the other, only a lack of one could cause the other.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
Now I'm not saying that raising a child in a single parent home is the optimal way to raise a child. Personally I like the "it takes a village" mentality. I think the best way to raise a child would be with two devout parents, loving grandparents, caring aunts and uncles, little cousins to play with, helpful neighbours, dedicated teachers, and maybe a responsible religious leader.
But remove one parent and you can still be very successful in raising a child. I'm sure it is much better for a child to be raised in a caring single parent home, then to be raised in a two parent abusive home.
P.S. Please do not argue my made up stats. They are there to prove how statistics can be manipulated by dishonest people. If all you can do is argue that my stats are wrong (I already admitted they were made up), you probably do not have the ability to actually understand statistics.
P.P.S. I do see value in statistics when they are used correctly, I am simply complaining about Ann's blatent and callous misuse of statistics to prove her idiotic point that single mothers are responsible for all crimes in America. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2009 1:01:09 PM |
I am simply complaining about Ann's blatent and callous misuse of statistics to prove her idiotic point that single mothers are responsible for all crimes in America.
I don't believe she said she was trying to blame them for all crimes. And if her stats are based on geographic location I agree with the analysis of your made up statistics. I think in society, conservatives (as in Ann Coulter) tend to lay blame more on upbringing. They feel it is the responsibility of the parent to raise a decent upstanding child by example. One of several places I lose conservative thinking is how a single mother (or father for that matter) is supposed to raise a perfect child or children while possibly working two or three jobs to be able to afford raising that child or children.
Funny thing is, when a person is incarcerated for a crime, all you hear are things like "Well I'm not surprised "Johnny" did something like that. His parents left him alone all the time and never taught him right from wrong, he never went to school and he never had a chance". So who is getting the blame? Certainly not "Johnny". It always seems like the blame is being taken away from the culprit and placed elsewhere. Another funny thing--it's usually liberal thinkers who make the kinds of assessments described above, conservatives tend to place blame directly on the culprit. Yet liberals are the ones fighting the hardest against what Coulter is saying. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2009 1:52:43 PM |
I don't believe she said she was trying to blame them for all crimes.
Actually she does. Not only crime, but all of societies problems.
Here's some quotes directly from Ann Coulter:
Look at any societal problem, and it is a problem of single motherhood.
Single motherhood is like a farm team for future criminals and social outcasts.
And the title of the chapter in her book that started it all:
Victim of a Crime? Blame a Single Mother
So yes it does appear she was trying to blame all crime on single mothers.
I find it funny that someone who constantly complains about "whinning liberals", is probably the biggest whinner in the history of political pundits. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2009 3:15:24 PM | /
How about single mothers get free legal aid?
With a liar..a lawyer you really didn't commit the crime? COP a plea?????
Drop in crime rate???
Anne Is BRILLIANT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
WE CAN REDUCE THE CRIME RATE NOW....... Cop | |
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Posted: 1/26/2009 4:29:15 PM | I stopped listening to anything Ann Coulter said after she argued on a Canadian television news show that Canada went to Vietnam with the U.S. After she was told the difference, she kept insisting and argued that we had for the better part of an hour.
Anyone who takes her seriously is an idiot. | |
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neopol
| | Joined: 9/26/2006
Msg: 114 | |
| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/26/2009 5:09:59 PM | | Im not listening to Ann Coulter. Everything she is saying about the trends of single mothers is readily available from 40 years of empirical data. I havent read her book, nor do I need to - the data is over the internet to be had. All she did was gather it up, print it in a book, & spout her opinion about it. Her opinion doesnt change any of the facts the data presents. She didnt invent the data, but she seems now to be a victim of it. Using her as whitewash to gloss over these disturbing trends over & over is dismissal, denial, deflection, & now supression. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2009 5:29:55 PM | Well. obviously a lot of people like her if they continue to give her airtime. But if someone dont like her, why do they sit a watch her.
It's because of the ratings, that's why she gets put on shows and not because the vast majority of people like her either, it's the opposite. Most people that watch her on TV watch her in a negative light. Problem is when you watch someone you dislike or buy their book because you are waiting for them to screw up or want to get a laugh out of their nonsense, you are indirectly supporting them at the same time. This is why I don't watch MSNBC. I personally can't stand that news channel, but I know if I sit there and watch it for the reasons I mentioned above, I will be indirectly supporting them at the same time. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/26/2009 5:59:41 PM |
The point is how can she degrade single mothers when she could never really be one. I am a single mother.
Seriously--she could never 'really be' a mother? How do you figure?
I can degrade rapists--but I've never been one.
I can be degrading about people who kick their dogs--mine aren't treated that way.
Argue the merits, or lack thereof, of her books--but to call her gender into question is simply mind-boggling. | |
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Posted: 1/31/2009 8:26:48 AM |
Ann Coulter has a place in the media, as do Sean Hannity, Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann, Joe Scarborough and Rush Limbaugh. Hers is not a lofty perch, but there she is--getting her books published and air play on national television.
People like those mentioned above, help us keep our perspective--they force us to make decisions about what we truly believe--they keep us politically involved, and for that alone, they serve a purpose.
As much as I agree with themadfiddler, I have to assert that Ann Coulter continues to inspire me--certainly not in the way she would like, however.
Yea, I know what you mean!
Lofty Ideology with a lot of good intentions that fails to take into account of the realities and dynamics of other peoples social issues. Sounding off as tho coming from the center of the universe, saying "be as I, and this will be a non-problem"
I grew up with such parents - steeped in ideology ,- other were not allowed their problems, it was only "they" that truly had problems, yours could have been avoided!
Until many of the these "older ones" die off we must deal with these constipated people that offer much resistance to more progressive thinking.
They wish everyone to be like "them" and confrom to the rules they like, the ones created to applies to conditions 100 years ago, and finding increasing difficult to present times.
I suppose we all need some kind of an anchor.
I have a friend that makes Rush a Pinko! and he makes me think!
Regarding federal taxes, he says, " Since they "took" it from me! I don't care what the do with it!" "they stole my money! which makes some sense , but I'm thinking, we should care!
Dance | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 1/31/2009 9:24:49 AM |
Using her as whitewash to gloss over these disturbing trends over & over is dismissal, denial, deflection, & now supression.
These disturbing trends are equally as present in two-parent families. Blaming it on single mothers is the whitewash. | |
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Posted: 1/31/2009 9:00:22 PM |
These disturbing trends are equally as present in two-parent families. Blaming it on single mothers is the whitewash.
Personally I think the disturbing trend is the attempt to discredit anything someone says simply because they're not of a preapproved set of political convictions. Facts and statistics don't lie. Because Coulter used them for justification of her position doesn't mean she misrepresented them, and simply because we know children of two parent families that ended up with the same issues, doesn't mean she's wrong, but likely that the child was a product of a "different" yet similar dysfunctional family environment.
The truly disturbing trend is in the dismissal of the message based on the perception of the messenger without any regard for the actual message itself.... | |
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Posted: 2/1/2009 7:10:15 AM | Her overly ectomorphic frame matches her cerebrotonic attitude of looking down on those she doesn't approve of.
I would suggest she seeks a doctor about anorexia or some other illness that is eating away at her. However, I think like most anorexics, she thinks it's everyone else in the world thats wrong and thinks she's in perfect health and has to maintain her mean, stubborn appearance to shield the insignificant feelings that drive her to hold outrageous positions.
She needs a sandwich! | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 2/1/2009 7:52:03 AM | Attacking her physical appearance? So if she were say, Jessica Simpson-esque then her message would be more palatable, or would you advise her to put down the sandwich?
It’s still the same tired partisan schpill, attack the messenger by any means necessary; character, physical appearance, anything at all to divert attention from the actual message for which no reasonable defense can be offered… | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 2/1/2009 8:07:43 AM |
The truly disturbing trend is in the dismissal of the message based on the perception of the messenger without any regard for the actual message itself....
The message is that single mothers are to blame for society's ills. The message is wrong, and thus, is deserving of dismissal. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 2/1/2009 9:30:33 AM |
Facts and statistics don't lie.
Really, statistics don't lie. Let's go to the textbook for this one.
You have probably heard the old saying that there are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. This saying is attributable to Benjamin Disraeli and is over a century old. It has also been said that "figures don't lie: liars figure." Both of these statements refer to the abuses of statistics in which data are presented in ways that are misleading. Many abusers of statistics are simply ignorant or careless, while others have an objective to mislead the reader by emphasizing data that support their position while leaving out data that may be detrimental to their position. One of our major goals in this text is to make you a more critical consumer of information. When you see charts or data in a newspaper, in a magazine, or on TV, always ask yourself: What is the person trying to tell me? Does that person have an agenda? Following are several examples of the abuses of statistical analysis.
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There are many other ways that statistical information can be deceiving. Entire books have been written about the subject. The most famous of these is "How to Lie with Statistics" by Darrell Huff. Understanding these practices will make you a better consumer of statistical information and help you defend yourself against those who might wish to mislead.
Basic Statistics For Business and Economics, Second Canadian Edition; Lind, Marchal, Wathen, Waite; McGraw-Hill Ryerson; Chapter 1, Subheading: Uses and Abuses of Statistics, p.12 - 14.
And as I mentioned before, this textbook has a picture of the shell game on the front. Here's what they say on the back cover about the shell game.
The shell game uses chance and probability to trick you. Statistics can similarly be misused and misrepresented, especially in business.
If any one has actual data that can back up Ann's rediculous analysis of the statistics, I am more then willing to look at the data. And if it stacks up I will gladly admit it. But right now we have some very flawed analysis of data.
P.S. I love how most of the people who are argueing that Ann is right, completely ignore my posts, since they do not have the ability to argue statistical analysis, and want to continue the lie that takes attention away from the real problems, like poverty and corruption. | |
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