| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 3/14/2009 10:46:17 AM |
Right wing politics wants to spend it on military, police, etc.
Right wing to me has always meant conservatism (admittedly today it is a very bast*rdized term). I'm hoping we can agree on that.
As I learned from wikipedia the 'neo' in 'neocon' stands for liberalized views concerning military policies. The way many people seem to throw around the term they are using it as an adjective to ultra-conservative... but they are wrong. When Clinton increased military spending he was being a true liberal.
Left wingers want to tax the rich and corporations. Right wingers want to tax everyone the same.
As I mentioned earlier, conservatism is about keeping the government small. For myself, I see a corelation between increasingly large governments and the proliferation of big business. I feel that true conservatism would be friendlier to small business.
Clinton signed the Welfare Reform Act of 1996, ending social assistance for many of the most needy in America.
And yet I would be willing to bet that the number of people using government assistance has increased significantly in the last 30 to 50 years.
How can you objectively look at Clinton's 8 years and think he's not a right winger?
As long as we're still agreed that rightwinger means conservative than I don't think the US has had a right winger in office in the last 40 years.
True consevatism (as I'm sure you know) is about being fiscally responsible. To those leaders who are not, you can call them anything you want.... but I wouldn't call them conservative.
I'm of the belief that conservatives are more compassionate than liberals. We don't want our grandchildren paying the tab so we can have a better quality of life today. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 3/14/2009 11:17:41 AM | Right wing doesn't mean conservative - radical right wing is radical.
Left wing can be conservative. Efforts to protect environment are both left wing and conservative.
All political labels are imperfect, but I specifically used right wing and left wing for a reason.
Clearly the biggest abusers in US history of fiscal responsibility are Ronald Reagan and George W Bush. Both were right wingers. Both claimed the mantle of conservatism. But I didn't say conservatives are fiscally irresponsible, because it wasn't conservative policies they were following. Cutting taxes to the rich is right wing, radical and not conservative.
Liberalism does not mean higher military spending any more than conservatism does. Reagan tripled the military budget. He wasn't a liberal. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 3/14/2009 8:05:23 PM | It's funny to me how you're willing to lump any negative connotation that you want to fall under the definition of 'rightwing' but if I give one intrepatation (and an accurate one) of the term 'liberal' you get all defensive like an overprotective mother.
There are very few people who consider themselves rightwing who would agree with the descriptions that you would lay at their doorstep. When you redefine words to suit your purposes you are bound to find people who will disagree with you.... | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 3/15/2009 10:47:54 AM | Seriously; you haven't heard the term 'liberal' used in relationship to any other country?
Nova Scotia--Liberal Part
Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada--Michael Ignatieff
Japan--Liberal Democratic Party
et cetera...
Google--you will discover that there are many countries where the term 'liberal' is included in political parties. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 3/15/2009 9:07:50 PM | Just like I did in a different forum in Current Events, I'll repeat the exact same thing my dad told me when I was 12:
Simple as this son; sex will come before marriage, that's a given. But as for kids, they should come after you've tied the knot. That way, you'll ensure that your kids have a stable place to grow and become fruitful."
Single motherhood shouldn't be embraced like it is in the media (news, movies, literature) today. What should be embraced is real parenting with both mother and father in the house raising the kids together. In these times, parents really need to be there for their children instead of trying to screw with everyone they see and/or trying to sap every last dime out of one another.
Now don't get me wrong; I do understand that certain circumstances (rape, death/incarceration of one or both parents, divorce, etc.) do prevent this from happening. And I think that's where Ann Coulter f--ked up.....BIG TIME. She didn't take these factors into account when writing that book.
However, even if the parents can't get along, they should at least TRY to make nice with each other and raise the kids together. If single parenting can be prevented in a certain situation, it should. Right now, there's WAAAY too much chaos and evil in this world to be abandoning children.
For those that do NOT have kids (like myself), let's (at least) try to follow my father's advice and to have children after you're married. If y'all are unmarried and expecting now, please get married (or at least think about it). | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 3/15/2009 9:43:45 PM | In an ideal world, every child would be a wanted child. Every parent would have the wisdom and patience to raise that child.
Marriage doesn't guarantee that any child will be raised by patient, wise parents.
Marriage does not ensure a stable home for a child.
I don't know how media are 'embracing' single motherhood.
Where Coulter effed up is the same place she always effs up--she presumes that she is smarter than everyone else, and if she gets a book published, then she is proved correct in her presumption. In truth, Ann Coulter is a horror show, and certain factions of the public just love to watch her in action.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could point to a single factor for the crime and violence in our country? We can't. Crime and violence are not the result of a single factor. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 3/15/2009 10:21:42 PM | Geeleebee, you make good points, but I do have some disagreements. Let me break em' down........
In an ideal world, every child would be a wanted child. Every parent would have the wisdom and patience to raise that child.
True indeed. However, I do feel that people who feel like they can screw everyone they lay their eyes on should also be grown enough to accept the consequences and responsibilities of their actions; having a child is a responsibility that both people should be willing to accept. Now please don't take me to be Ann Coulter when I say this; again, I understand that certain circumstances can/WILL prevent that.
Marriage doesn't guarantee that any child will be raised by patient, wise parents.
Marriage does not ensure a stable home for a child.
True indeed, there will be broken homes. But, IMO, it is a start. Now of course, the whole thing with the parents is simple human nature. Since when has ANY parent been perfect??
I don't know how media are 'embracing' single motherhood.
Movies like Juno for example. That movie is quite idealistic. How many actual families get all supportive when their underage daughter is pregnant?
Where Coulter effed up is the same place she always effs up--she presumes that she is smarter than everyone else, and if she gets a book published, then she is proved correct in her presumption. In truth, Ann Coulter is a horror show, and certain factions of the public just love to watch her in action.
Well, that's quite obvious. Of course, we all like seeing her get laughed at. However, I was saying she effed up by coming to conclusions before taking time to do all of the right research.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could point to a single factor for the crime and violence in our country? We can't. Crime and violence are not the result of a single factor.
Obviously it's not. We can definately say that it's not just one thing. The economic times call for certain drastic measures, some of them criminal (reason #2). Of course, there are those that just like doing crime for the sheer thrill (reason #3). So again, this is where good ol' Ann f--ked up. She didn't take into account the economic situations of each household or the sheer brazen nature of human beings. She just assumed that all single moms were godless whores that spew out little demon seeds. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 3/16/2009 5:34:52 AM | As for Coulter, she needs to stir up as much attention as she can right about now. 
Nielsen BookScan says that in the two months since its release “Guilty” has sold about 100,500 copies (and that figure probably reflects only about 70 percent of actual sales.) “What constitutes a disappointment for Coulter would be a mega-hit for most authors,” points out Jeff Berovici, writing for Portfolio.
But for Coutler, those are indeed smaller figures than she is used to. With the book “moving steadily down the best-seller list,” writes Berovici, “it looks certain that ‘Guilty’ will fall far short of matching her earlier results.”
According to BookScan, Coulter’s “Godless: The Church of Liberalism,” (2006) sold 279,100 copies in hardcover while “Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terror” ( 2003) sold 396,600 hardcover copies and “Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right” (2002) sold 333,100 copies, plus another 108,300 in paperback.
http://features.csmonitor.com/books/2009/03/14/fewer-buyers-for-ann-coulters-new-book/
Perhaps good for other authors, in the face of an Obama election and she can only get that amount of sales on her new book ?
Seems like even she is going through hard times, right now. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 3/16/2009 8:19:40 AM | Personnally I think the only thing, since the thread is so offtopic anyway, is redefinition of the term "corperation"
When nonhumans-ie:slaves became humans the only love child that was produced from that was corperations. The only benifit of the civil war was to produce an entity that can coldheartedly emancipate human relationships to the utmost and carry no accountability with it.
Go dustbowl effect  | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 3/16/2009 10:03:30 AM |
Personnally I think the only thing, since the thread is so offtopic anyway, is redefinition of the term "corperation"
When nonhumans-ie:slaves became humans the only love child that was produced from that was corperations. The only benifit of the civil war was to produce an entity that can coldheartedly emancipate human relationships to the utmost and carry no accountability with it
I don't think that's off topic, I think Ann Coulter is helping to create a division amongst people with her propaganda...I think as long as society is divided, in this case against single mothers, people spend too much time and energy arguing amonst themselves to see that everyone is a "slave". A friend of mine recently said slavery days are not over, they have just released the chains.
I agree 100% with the above post and couldn't have said it better, other than to add this video link which I think explains the concept perfectly. It's also where I got one of my new favorite terms "human livestock" check it out....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P772Eb63qIY | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 3/18/2009 7:08:53 AM |
I think Ann Coulter is helping to create a division amongst people with her propaganda...
I guess it all depends on which side you imagine the propaganda is coming from. In the span of 30 years our divorce rate is now %50 and one third of babies are born to single mothers. It's almost impossible to imagine this drastic change happening at any other time in history.... but in todays' age of mass media it seems people with my viewpoint are now widely considered as dinosaurs. I have to ask... in which way is the media shaping our perceptions?
I watched your videolink (what can I say? I have too much time on my hands...) and I'd have to say that if there's a conspiracy going on (in relation to this thread), that it would be one perpetuated by feminists. I've read in other threads where conspiracy nuts (sorry.... conspiracy theorists) have wrote about how prominent feminists are promoting the absolute destruction of the traditional family. I suppose if I were a really suspicous b*stard than I might try and blame the single parent crisis on the feminists (and in part, I do think it's an unplanned consequence of feminism)... but I'm more inclined to believe that sex has become so much more liberated because there are people in Hollywood who can see the dollar signs...
Really... is that what the fuss is all about? Because I think it is undesireable for children to be raised in single parent homes is that to be percieved as attacking women? | |
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Posted: 3/24/2009 10:34:06 PM | Msg 194: I agree with your view that the ideal would be for children to grow up with two loving parents. But since this is not the reality I think instead of blaming, a better solution would be...Be a positive influence to any child whose paths we cross. I didn't intend to come across as insulting your opinions.
Hollywood is a good example of how media influences people or shifts their ideas about what is important and what they should think about life.
I became interested in researching forms of brainwashing after finding out one of my favorite books (A Course In Miracles) was used in cia experiments.
One technique used by most media is subtle repetitive language and imagery.
Reminded me of an experiment in my highschool science in society class. There was popcorn provided at the back of the class which everyone helped themselves to before the movie started. At one point many of the students went to get more popcorn and watching others eat encouraged the others to get more popcorn as well. When the movie was finished it was revealed at that point in the movie there was an actor in the background eating popcorn. Most of the attention was on the main character but the brain picked up the background imagery as well, which sent out a subtle message to eat popcorn.
Also from my personal experiences...asking a pimp how he is able to have such an influence on a multitude of women. His answer was that everyone has a dream...all he has to do to get paid is find out what the woman's dream is and sell that to her.
I've noticed politicians use alot of repetitive language. With Obama it was Change. Most Americans wanted change and Obama seemed heaven sent. My personal philosophy is that an honest leader would not need a speech.
I think the majority of people get their news from mainstream media...might be interesting to research who owns/controls all the stations. When I find out I'll get back.
In my opinon media can use the passions and emotions of people to focus hatred and blame on a single group...In this case, Ann Coulter is using her media to use peoples emotions regarding the economy and blame one part of society, causing a division.
I think attacking each other only takes attention away from who is really getting most of the tax dollars. I don't believe it is single mothers.
Another example is how Hitler (using him since most know the history) used peoples passions about the economy to change perceptions using mass propaganda and causing shifts in perception.
In my opinion it is time to unite as humans in peace and love, to raise our collective vibrations instead of wasting energy on blame. Work together to have control of the economy. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 3/25/2009 4:12:49 AM | I have exactly zero children in this world that were sired by me. There is something called birth control that has made this happen to my plan, for it was from no lack of sex. I will likely not be having any children of my own. Though I may adopt one day. There are already far too many humans on this rock.
There should be absolutely zero unwanted children in this day and age and BC is the reason.
Mankind is and has been for a very longtime liberated to the point that they can choose exactly when they get pregnant, reproduce and still be able to have sex. Now accidents do occur from time to time even with BC but, by and large most cases are because, many people are quite careless...
Those who think they should believe statistics about single parent families.... "There are three kinds of lies... Lies, damn lies, and statistics."- Quote by Mark Twain
I am and many of my close friends and family are products of single parents (Had nothing to do with feminists my parents were better off splitting up) and the vast majority of the friends and family I know that were also products of single parent situations are just fine.
In fact I would dare to say it is FAR worse to be brought up by two parents that are bad parents than one who is even decent at it. I would rather have one parent than two whom beat me or otherwise abuse, or even those that just dont give a shit.
People get so excited and riled about statistics and they are the most hopeless way to even have an inkling of what is what. These statistics do not even take into account other factors like if the parent is even a decent parent to begin with, or if they are even on this planet for that matter. It simply passes judgment in their narrow minded view and assumption as to why things went wrong and then attempt to blame it on the single parent as opposed to a whole host of other issues and factors. Basically statistics can be and are manipulated to make anything you want to be true seem so.
Now as for this Lady the thread is about that spews the bullshit from her mouth. I think she is quite similar to Howard stern just her specialty is of a different sort of "entertainment." She is much like a shock jock. She makes her money off of catering to the far rights fascist fantasies. She will say absolutely anything no matter how insane to get attention.
I agree with with the fiddler's way of putting it she is a "frothing Nazi she-wolf gasbag lunatic." Though much like Howard stern I bet in real life she dont believe in even half of what she spews out into the public. I am willing to bet she puts on an act much like he does for her audience. The ones that concern me more are her audience whom eat up her drivel like candy.
She is hardly worth the energy or attention it took to write this post in all honesty. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 3/25/2009 6:27:21 PM | | It is too easy to have a child if you are a woman and hear the clock ticking you may say to yourself I can do this. Ann's book we a big "NO YOU SHALT!" to any woman thinking all men are losers I should just have a baby and raise it myself instead of waiting forever. I never will be a wife not for lack of opportunity or want but for lack of a compromised will. I have self esteem it bugs men to have a woman who they can't control. Sad but true I have may own I do not need a man. That is scary for the guys I've dated so far. Ann wrote about truth that you can't be a victim if you did it to yourself. If a woman has a baby with out a husband or picks the wrong guy to wed it is her fault that she is a single mom. Otherwise it is the fault of a man who made the baby and did not choose to raise it. Sex is a procreative act any man who does not wish to be a dad should take precautions. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 4/2/2009 2:46:53 PM | .
If Obama can tell GM and Chrysler that their participation in NASCAR is an "unnecessary expenditure," isn't having public schools force students to follow Muslim rituals, recite Islamic prayers and plan "jihads" also an "unnecessary expenditure"? Are all those school condom purchases considered "necessary expenditures"?
http://www.anncoulter.com/
Obama tells GM and Chysler to end Racing in NASCAR????
It was a Motor Trend magazine April Fools joke..........
Hows that for fact checking and accuracy? Like she really cares.....
Who's a FOOL?
Or
Proof she is a joke?
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 4/2/2009 2:47:07 PM | .
If Obama can tell GM and Chrysler that their participation in NASCAR is an "unnecessary expenditure," isn't having public schools force students to follow Muslim rituals, recite Islamic prayers and plan "jihads" also an "unnecessary expenditure"? Are all those school condom purchases considered "necessary expenditures"?
http://www.anncoulter.com/
Obama tells GM and Chysler to end Racing in NASCAR????
It was a Motor Trend magazine April Fools joke..........
Hows that for fact checking and accuracy? Like she really cares.....
Who's a FOOL?
Or
Proof she is a joke?
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 4/9/2009 2:01:10 AM | montreal guy~
reagarding ann's book sales numbers....
according to the new york times...mark levin's "liberty and tyrrany" is at number 1.
perhaps he's picked up where ann left off?
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 4/9/2009 2:07:55 AM | faith~ et al (which means everyone else too)
who is this "they" that is claiming that ann is "another leader of the republican party?" maybe it will help improve ann's book sales... it certainly upped rush limbaugh's listeners...
and why, you being a big libby deocrat and all, would you care?
just curious.
also, the most interesting thing about this thread is that not one person who supposedly disagrees with ann could even refute her whole premise and conclusion, which was that having a child out of wedlock is highly correlated to living in poverty, and that it is often detrimental to the child's future and well-being. but you guys can call her names, attack her as a person, but you have yet to prove that being a single mom is AOK... why? because the statistics DO NOT back you up. such a position is completely untenable.
choosing to become a single mom without being loaded is completely stupid and irresponsible. period.
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 4/9/2009 3:23:37 AM |
because the statistics DO NOT back you up. such a position is completely untenable.
LOL I did in my post just fine. Anyone can make statistics say whatever they are trying to argue. It is the worst form of lies there is. I still have no clue why they even attempt to use statistics much less pay professors to teach people about them. Worst form of lies there ever was.
I am the product of single parent. Came out just fine. Like I said FAR better to have one decent parent who gives a crap than two whom are abusive or otherwise dont care.
It is not at all how many parents or what sexes they are that matters. It is that you are loved and they do the actual act of parenting that matters. I worked in school teaching for a while and I knew plenty of wonderful kids that were of single mothers. They went on to college became great people. Oh our new president was highly successful another single mom's work there too..
The fact is one can go out and find plenty of real life examples of people growing up in single parent households whom came out just fine. I can find plenty of people whom were brought up by two lousy parents that came out horrible! It is not about quantity that matters but quality...
That is why I say she is a nonsense talking gas bag. Not because I simply dont like what she says. It is because she hasn't a clue what she is talking about and anyone can make statistics look like anything is true. I could make it look like Bush was the best president we ever had if I wanted to with statistics and we all know that is not true.
It also does not have anything to do with money. In fact the friends I have that came up in great wealth were the worst sort. My one friend has two ULTRA wealthy parents and he wants to kill himself. His parents treat him like shit. He has almost no real friends most people want him only for his money. He cant find a woman who doesnt want to gold dig, etc etc.. Money is no answer nor cure....
I know plenty of kids whom had one mother who had very little means but, the love and parenting she did went miles above the people whom shelled out tons of cash thinking that was going to make some sort of greatness. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 4/9/2009 7:06:57 AM |
reagarding ann's book sales numbers....
according to the new york times...mark levin's "liberty and tyrrany" is at number 1.
Numbers cooked....
Right wing book clubs and magazines buy copies to be be GIVEN to new customers............... | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book.
Posted: 4/12/2009 7:30:32 PM | kabiosile~
an anecdote is a personal story. i also know some kids of single parents that turned out ok, adn yes i am one of those too. however, an anecdote is not peer reviewed research, and unfortunately the statistics and the overwhelming preponderance of studies done on children of divorce, and single parenthood are far to numerous to be dismissed by your anecdotes or questions of a more epistemological nature- again, we're talking peer reviewed research...
i am sorry to report to you that the children of single parents - in study after study after study stretching back decades- do NOT fair as well as children from intact families. it's merely a statement of fact, and just because you just happen to know one or two that turned out "ok" does not disprove nor render decades of scholarship, and published research on the topic BS. your "sources" are hardly a representative sample ...sorry...hate to inform you. oh wait! they aren't even sources... right...forgot...
since you probably aren't one to go and read studies...you may want to check out a book by Judith Wallerstien. It's called "the unexpected legacy of divorce," and is based on a 25 year longitudinal study that tracked the lives of children of divorce and a comparison group. this might be a good place for you start as you read about the topic...maybe then you'll stop viewing the world through your own experiences...
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