| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 4/12/2009 7:34:56 PM | jack-d-ripper~
what is your source for the "numbers being cooked" on mark levin's book? because when i checked the NYT it was number one on the best seller's list... so unless you have a source that proves that this was some how "fake" ....then what is asserted without proof can be dismissed with out proof...
and here is the NYT bestseller list for non-fiction:
HARDCOVER NONFICTION
Top 5 at a Glance 1. LIBERTY AND TYRANNY, by Mark R. Levin 2. ALWAYS LOOKING UP, by Michael J. Fox 3. OUTLIERS, by Malcolm Gladwell 4. HOUSE OF CARDS, by William D. Cohan 5. THE YANKEE YEARS, by Joe Torre and Tom Verducci
Complete Hardcover Nonfiction List »
link:
http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/bestseller/
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 4/12/2009 8:45:27 PM |
....then what is asserted without proof can be dismissed with out proof...
When your publisher gives the books away..............
Or cheap sell them ......... not hard to be a number one author.
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Basically, the authors' gripe involves the relationship between Regnery and the Conservative Book Club, both of which are owned by Eagle Publishing. Regnery sells books at a deep discount to the Conservative Book Club, which in turn sells the books at deep discount to club members. In the process, authors forgo much of the royalties they would have received had those books been sold in stores. "The difference between 10 cents and $4.25 is pretty large when you multiply it by 20,000 to 30,000 books," Mr. Miniter told the Times. "It suddenly occurred to us that Regnery is making collectively jillions of dollars off of us and paying us a pittance."
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The numbers are cooked by right wing groups.
Levine may have number one sales...........Maybe. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 4/12/2009 8:58:04 PM | Way off topic, but this will enlighten the discussion at hand. Books given away or in book clubs do not count on bestseller lists. Discount stores either. Only full retail books sold are counted.
http://www.publishersweekly.com/blog/880000288/post/480041248.html | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 4/12/2009 9:35:52 PM | From your link.................
I talked to an editor of the New York Times Bestseller list, and she tried to explain (the parts that she could) the complicated formula to me (at least it seemed complicated to me). Apparently, they use numbers supplied by bookstores who have preapplied to supply numbers to them. They do encourage small book stores to get involved. After they get the numbers, they get together and talk about a bunch of stuff I didn't understand and that's how you get on the list. You still have to sell a lot of books, but the placement is not only based on book sales.
........is Obama Nation really a best-seller? The New York Times puts a dagger next to some books, indicating that "some bookstores report receiving bulk orders." Among the Times' top 16 non-fiction books for August 24, three others -- Stori Telling, a memoir by actress Tori Spelling (#3), The Case Against Barack Obama by David Freddoso, published by Regnery (#5), and Fleeced, another anti-Obama book by conservative political operative and pundit****Morris and coauthor Eileen McGann (#8) -- have similar daggers............
Simon & Schuster doesn't know how many of Corsi's books were purchased through bulk orders or whether any conservative groups were part of a bulk-order scheme. .............
a staff-person at a major book review told me that while some publishers, authors and interest groups have learned how to "game the system" by orchestrating bulk orders in multiple locations, publications with best-seller lists, including the prestigious New York Times,
http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/53627.html
You trust and defend the New York Times?????????? | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 4/14/2009 10:26:44 PM | Interesting Trivia
Proof that Mann swings to the right. Most people use Ann Coulter as a synonym for psychotic b1tch. It is rumored that in the late fall, he stalks the North American wilderness devouring the souls of children and defenseless animals. He is a vile, treacherous 'c' word. But you knew that. He is listed in the Guinness Book of World Records under the category "world's manliest hands". Favorite film is 1980's Cannibal Holocaust. Mann Coulter believes that Bill Clinton is obviously gay because he likes women (no, really). Currently the face of various Pro-Choice organizations for a new joint campaign supporting post-natal abortion. Mann Coulter has a half-flaccid, hormone-shrunken bologna noodle. Uses a dildo made out of real d!cks. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 4/16/2009 6:04:47 PM |
I mean, to sit there and write something about how single mothers are to blame for violence increases in society is flat out ridiculous alone within itself.
Just to play devil's advocate here, haven't there been studies showing that children from single-parent homes are more likely to end up in prison? | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 4/16/2009 8:22:57 PM | Yeah. That's the grain a truth she builds the whole attack on.
There's competing ideas about what it means - single parent families also tend to have lower incomes (and lower income kids also tend to be more likely to end up in prison). But yeah, she can start with a legit stat. The problem is that she uses it to attack women and every social structure set up to help them. Or anything that stops the rich from stealing from the poor. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 4/16/2009 8:29:53 PM |
ingle parent families also tend to have lower incomes (and lower income kids also tend to be more likely to end up in prison).
Very good point. I guess this is a good example of how facts can easily be twisted into supporting just about anything you want them to. A valuable lesson for us all. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 4/19/2009 1:21:44 AM | odddady~
yes, there have been myriad studies that show kids growing up in single parent households having a stronger incidence of criminal behavior. single parent households also do have a lower SES, and these numbers overlap...but when you control for such factors as SES the stats from single parent homes/divorced homes have little variation on crime stats... there are some references to literally TONS of studies on the links between crime AND single parent households... interestingly enough, even ramsey clark made some similar conclusions...and there are studies that show that the higher the population of single parent households in a city or neighborhood - the higher the crime rate...
here is the link...http://www.divorcereform.org/crime.html
... single parenthood and divorce HAS created more poverty in this country then probably anything else...just read a US gov report that stated that the average child support payment right now is only $453.00! can you believe that? as if THAT covers the cost of daycare, diapers, etc. for a month...
the bottom line is this:
ann is right about this issue. the preponderance of studies that have been done on single parent households and kids from divorce is overwhelming. kids from single parent homes are more likely to live in poverty, drop out of school, suffer from mental illness, depression, commit suicide, have problems with addiction, less likely get married and have kids, if they do marry, they are more likely to get divorced, more likely to be abused, ...i could go on and on.
any woman that is not making well above average income, should probably not be having a kid out of wedlock. it isn't about "sin," or morality, it's about fricken common $ense! hello! it's about whether your kid grows up in a house or an apt, lives in a crappy neighborhood or a decent one, goes to a crappy school or a good one. hello! but beyond the finanacial aspect...what about the damn father? hello! kids from two parent, intact families have the best outcomes...all we are doing is creating a society full of broken hearted people...
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 4/19/2009 1:27:47 AM | jack-d-ripper~
look, ann coulter and many other conservative writers/pundits do sell books. ann has been very successful, even if her latest endeaver has not been her best performer.
oh....here is a youtube clip of a book signing event for mark levin. the line is so long that it stretches for literally blocks and blocks. it's ridiculous.
yeah. it's not a popular book at all. yeah. sure. uh...huh...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9q1BWbk1e4
you really need to check your premises. you are in danger of being a true believer... | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 4/19/2009 9:54:06 PM | | I can only speak for my own situation, but I think it might be because I could be the heavy disciplinarian as well as the ol' softie when I needed to be. Maybe the single moms are too much softie and not enough disciplinarian. Although I have known some of my friends moms I wouldn't mess with in my younger days, it was usually moms in two parent families. The single moms of my friends either tried to be "best friends" with the kids, or possibly felt guilt due to the situation, so they tended to let the kids run over them. I've seen that same thing with my own children's friends who were in single parent situations. Lack of supervision, given anything they want, allowed to do whatever, unable to control the children, and on and on......one of my daughter's friends is always giving my daughter crap because at 17 she still has to be home by 11 on weekends. Her mom lets her stay out as late as she wants. Her mom has called my house at 5 AM looking for her daughter because she needed the car to go to work. Does anyone think that mom is doing the girl any favors? One would wonder what a 17 year old girl is out doing at 5AM, you'd think. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 4/27/2009 10:22:32 AM | readyfor somethingfun~
i dont' know why that is but from every study i have read on this issue...and books...and studies...and books...ad infinitum... there is a general trend that the single mom part of the equation is a factor.
there may be a SES factor at play here though...most men make more money then women.. the kids end up living in poorer neighborhoods and as a result end up going to crappier schools...etc.
i know kids are more likley to be abused by the mother 's boyfriend then by dad's girlfriend, so there is the absuse quotient to consider too.
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 4/27/2009 5:34:46 PM |
I know kids are more likley to be abused by the mother 's boyfriend then by dad's girlfriend, so there is the absuse quotient to consider too.
lar
I was just informed of a man who started attending my church that has a pattern of being attentive to the teens and sitting next to single moms of teenagers. We looked him up and sure enough he is a registered offender. He has not done anything yet but letting the women know they have got to be so careful. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 4/28/2009 7:24:54 AM | The idiocy is in the generalization. For instance gender is a much greater predictor of violent criminal behavior and rape.
Using Ann Coulters logic that a moderate increase in maladaptive behavior results from single motherhood. She should by rights refer to all men as rapists, murderers, and child molesters.
Ready4somethingfun would you say that's an accurate description of you? I don't think so, and I know it isn't an accurate description of me. In fact if somebody were to call somebody that on this forum because of their gender, they'd be rightfully banned.
So there is no question that Ann Coulters statements are unwarranted. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 4/28/2009 8:36:07 AM | vvendy~
yeah, that's another bad stat associated with kids in single parent households (typically female). a kid is much more likely to be absued physically and or sexually growing up in a single parent household. of course there are plenty of reasons why that might be... less supervision, more time to self, which of course can translate into being places and hanging out with people they probably shouldn't...etc. But often it's the mother's boyfriend or the step father that absues the kids. And you are right, some sex offenders look for single mothers with kids just for that reason. whenever i see people who post pics of themselves online with thier kids it makes me cringe. you just never know who could be out there... and you have to be careful about the people you bring into your kids' lives.
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 5/17/2009 4:37:09 PM | oh, another stat that i found from a twenty five longitudinal study done by wallerstein et al; children of divorce are less likely to achieve the same socioeconomic status as thier parents, and based on wallerstein's findings, only 30% of the children from divorced families recieved financial help in paying for college in comparison to children of intact families - even after controlling for all other variables. of course, this is a stat that no one has yet mentioned. i don't think ann discussed it. i found it interesting because it seemed to mirror my own experience and that of my friends who also came from divorced families.
ann coulter is 100% right on this issue. you may not like HOW she says it, but she is 100% correct about the effects of single motherhood/divorce. there is an overwhelming preponderance of research to back her up.
the fact that 40% of births last year were to single mothers is ominous for the future of this society.
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 5/23/2009 10:11:18 AM |
oh, another stat that i found from a twenty five longitudinal study done by wallerstein et al; children of divorce are less likely to achieve the same socioeconomic status as thier parents, and based on wallerstein's findings, only 30% of the children from divorced families recieved financial help in paying for college in comparison to children of intact families - even after controlling for all other variables. of course, this is a stat that no one has yet mentioned. i don't think ann discussed it. i found it interesting because it seemed to mirror my own experience and that of my friends who also came from divorced families.
ann coulter is 100% right on this issue. you may not like HOW she says it, but she is 100% correct about the effects of single motherhood/divorce. there is an overwhelming preponderance of research to back her up.
the fact that 40% of births last year were to single mothers is ominous for the future of this society.
lar
I agree with you. But I don't understand why "only 30% of the children from divorced families recieved financial help in paying for college in comparison to children of intact families -". Wouldn't they need financial help as much as the other children, if not more? | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 5/23/2009 10:51:01 AM | Once again, gender of the individual is a much larger predictor of criminal behavior than marital status of the parent. Strippers are overwhelmingly female, as such in order to be accurate they should simply refer to ALL women as "future strippers".
Statistics overwhelmingly show that mothers of strippers are females, as such all mothers should be referred to mothers of strippers.
See why using statistics to attack all single mothers might be a little stupid? | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 5/23/2009 12:27:59 PM | What amazes me, is that there was a time when people just instinctively knew the best environment for raising a child is within the confines of a loving marriage. It was just plain old common sense. Now we actually have to debate that because the left tries to muddy the water enough to confuse people?
Well, apparently so... Now we even have to debate what marriage itself is, because homosexuals want their relationships called "marriages" too... Ridiculous... It's one thing to find yourself in the unenviable position of becoming a single parent as the result of a divorce, but these days there are young women out there choosing to step into that role, and selfishly choosing to put their children in that position - ON PURPOSE...
I used to be a volunteer for big brothers. I was paired with an 11 year old momma's boy. I taught him to fish, hunt, camp, drive a boat, and all that fun stuff. He's 22 now, grew into a fine young man, and we're still in touch. Know what is really SAD though? There is no "Big Brother's" program for little girls, and probably never will be. There is "Big Sisters", but they do not provide a male role model, they provide a female one. There are little girls out there growing up spending most of their time with only female role models - at school, day care, and then at home, and the next day the cycle starts all over... We'll never let little girls in "Big Brothers" either, because all it would take is one creepy predator who manages to sneak through their screening to ruin it... Without the example of a loving marriage, or a healthy role model, how are they supposed to grow up and figure out how to have a healthy marriage themselves?
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 5/24/2009 5:52:39 PM |
What amazes me, is that there was a time when people just instinctively knew the best environment for raising a child is within the confines of a loving marriage. It was just plain old common sense. Now we actually have to debate that because the left tries to muddy the water enough to confuse people?
Really? Thats what people are arguing? Here I thought they were saying that calling all single mothers "mothers of future strippers" was unfair.
Maybe you should take down the straw man. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 5/25/2009 10:40:32 AM | Maybe you should take down the straw man. Every position you've espoused on this subject is made of straw!
The post is Coulter attacks single mothers, not Coulter attacks ALL single mothers.
I'm surprised you left out the argument that all single parents (in some capacity) must function as both mother AND father, so in addition to being a misogynist, you could argue she’s also a femme-Nazi! Or perhaps sexist in that her comparison made no allowances for effeminate single fathers.
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 5/25/2009 7:08:15 PM | An analogy isn't a straw man. If we can use statistical statements about trends with single mothers to generalize to all single mothers. Than we can do the same for men. Namely men are rapists, thieves, pedophiles and murderers. Why do you hate yourself so much timpommell? OR maybe you don't feel that way and just have a double standard.
As for Coulter attacking single mothers, but not all single mothers. Single motherhood is the essential trait of all single mothers. It's like me saying "republicans are a bunch of morons" then saying I didn't say it about all Republicans. It's a cop out, it's intellectually dishonest, and frankly it's a rather pathetic argument. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 5/26/2009 1:38:26 AM | ^^^^ I really hope that the attitude espoused by this guy isn't going to become more prevalent. I think that when our ability to think critically has been eroded to the point where every obvious statement of opinion needs to be preceded or followed with "IMO", or where generalizations must be qualified with "most of the time", we will have reached a point where meaningful dialogue becomes impossible. I would hope that most people over the age of eight can recognize an opinion without it being pointed out to them, or understand that a generalization is a mechanism for describing a general pattern(and not a statement of an absolute law), but maybe I have more optimism about people's ability to think for themselves and not feel compelled to quibble about conventions that don't have anything to do with the topic at hand than I should. | |
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| Ann Coulter attacks single mothers in her new book. Posted: 5/26/2009 1:42:17 AM |
I would hope that most people over the age of eight can recognize an opinion without it being pointed out to them, or understand that a generalization is a mechanism for describing a general pattern(and not a statement of an absolute law), but maybe I have more optimism about people's ability to think for themselves and not feel compelled to quibble about conventions that don't have anything to do with the topic at hand than I should.
Way to dodge the issue and simply talk about the other person. | |
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