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 crazylilting
Joined: 5/6/2008
Msg: 51
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This country is not Christian, there are Christians who live in this country as they do in many countries. There are many other people who live in this country with different faiths and some who do not have any faith in church or god. One of the nice things about the UK is that it doesn't have the religious nuttiness that goes on in north America. I sure hope it's not going that way...

To the op, no a cross does not offend unless someone is waving it at me like i'm a vampire, or trying to jap it into my chest.
 Pisk
Joined: 6/17/2008
Msg: 52
does the christian cross offend?
Posted: 1/20/2009 1:51:44 AM
Ummm crazylilting, I think you will find that it is as the majority of people would class themselves as christians, they may not go to church, they may act in an un christ like manner, they may have had the religion instilled in them as a child but they will still class themselves as christian. If we were in a middle eastern country and the religion was predominantley muslimwe would be a muslim country.

However I totally agree with you, I have never understood why the US is soooo religious. Ironic really when there is so much bloodshed over there ,gang members who gun down innocent people who have 'God is love' inked across their arms. I guess they will repent and be forgiven?

If the UK ever got to be same stage of religious obsession as the US...Im on the first plane out to New Zealand.
 Dandy Highwayman
Joined: 8/15/2008
Msg: 53
does the christian cross offend?
Posted: 1/20/2009 2:07:29 AM
I dont watch soaps at all cant abide them, but Corrie and Eastenders are supposed to be based upon British society, and reflective of how life is.
I cant see an issue with a soap based around a UK community, being representive of how our culture is, which includes Christianity and its imagery.
These shows seem quite happy to peddle all manner of story lines from teen pregnancies, to same sex relationships, murder to child abuse. Which surley could potentially be more offensive than showing the Christian Cross, it smacks of pandering to the PC brigade.

TheDandy
 lexxxopal
Joined: 6/25/2008
Msg: 54
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Posted: 1/20/2009 4:04:02 AM
Erm NO it doesn't offend this non religious nut.

Loved the fact that 390 ooo claimed jedi Knight as their "religion" in the 2001 census-
http://www.vexen.co.uk/UK/religion.html.


The comprehensive professional research in 2006 by Tearfund found that two thirds (66% - 32.2 million people) in the UK have no connection with any religion or church10.
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 MissSelf
Joined: 3/2/2007
Msg: 55
does the christian cross offend?
Posted: 1/20/2009 4:11:05 AM
If it was a Hindu wedding would the symbols from that offend the Jewish? - No because they are aware that they have nothing to do with nazism and that the Hindu's had the symbol first. ( not sure if they would actualy use the same symbol in a wedding though but just for example)

It makes the show unrealistic, if you allow symbols and things from other religions it should be available for all.
 willow
Joined: 12/11/2005
Msg: 56
does the christian cross offend?
Posted: 1/20/2009 4:22:15 AM
I am surprised they havent stopped Ashley ( Corrie ) selling Pork chops etc in his butchers for fear of upsetting the Jewish community..
 Mannish Boy
Joined: 1/11/2009
Msg: 57
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Posted: 1/20/2009 4:31:17 AM

does the christian cross offend?
No, but The niqab, and the burka scare the shit out of me
 Jim...
Joined: 9/23/2008
Msg: 58
does the christian cross offend?
Posted: 1/20/2009 4:51:34 AM
I think it was probably wrong to hide the cross... what else would anybody (regardless of race or religion) expect to see in a church? I would be really surprised to hear of any person objecting to it. We knock muslims a lot, but they only seem to complain when it's their own religion being attacked, which to me is a fair response.

As for the CofE, it was only created to allow Harry 8 to get a divorce (The Pope, he said no). Up until then Harry had been honoured as 'Defender of the Faith' by the pope for his piousness.

Christians... where do I start... well the population of Northern Ireland would describe itself as christian, yet the divisions of Protestant and Catholic have perpetuated violence there for 40 years or so.

While the UK is 'christian', churches have been forced to close and vicars have had to cover several parishes due to declining congregations. Many people getting married are reported to dislike the policy of being required to attend church before the wedding so as to count as 'parishioners'. So much so that the CofE is considering waiving this requirement, so as to encourage more people to get married in church.

My passport lists me as CofE, yet its been many years since I went to church. I'd describe myself as Atheist now, but I could easily be included in the group 'Christian'. The census grouped all the Christian religions together to provide the 47 million quoted. Yet denominational differences make many christians incompatible with each other.. try telling a Presbyterian that he is the same as a Quaker... he is unlikely to turn the other cheek.

As for the US, I'm inclined to think that the bible belt represents a wholesale refusal to come to terms with the modern world. It's so much more secure to turn to God and tradition than to face change. Religion promises so much more than the alternative, particularly if you're poor, disadvantaged and ignorant. Certainly if you can firebomb abortion clinics, murder doctors and nurses and get your sins absolved, it has got to be quite an incentive to do 'God's work'. I thought it was supposed to be God who did the judging on the final day? The founding fathers purposely created the constitution to remove religious interference (read Thomas Jefferson), so each man could folow his own conscience, yet christians in the US seem determined to change this.

Being a true Christian is very hard and so few have achieved it... Jesus managed and I'm pretty sure Mother Theresa was close, if not spot on. For everybody else 'Philistine' is the word you mean, not 'Christian'.
 cheekyjules
Joined: 1/25/2008
Msg: 59
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Posted: 1/20/2009 5:19:50 AM

Many people getting married are reported to dislike the policy of being required to attend church before the wedding so as to count as 'parishioners'. So much so that the CofE is considering waiving this requirement, so as to encourage more people to get married in church.



That makes me

I can easily name 5 people I know who are NOT religious, if not more who have married in a CofE or Catholic church, just because of the 'prettyness' of it and nice gardens!
If your not religious, dont get married in a church!
There are plenty of nice Hotels, stately homes and registry offices that can accomodate!
If you have a genuine interest in the church then dont winge and whine about going once a week so you can marry there.

The Catholic church on the other hand does not ask you to attend for so long before you can marry. They do of course like to see you there now and then but it's not a requirement.
CofE also asks a set price for a wedding, Catholic churchs ask for a donation.
 Pisk
Joined: 6/17/2008
Msg: 60
does the christian cross offend?
Posted: 1/20/2009 8:29:24 AM
Bible belt......(((((shuddddders))))

Do these firebombing god botherers actually get put away if they cause damage to buildings and human life? Like the anti-vivisection brigade?

Pssst Jim...my mother worked with Mother Theresa for 3 months, she wasnt a nice as everyone made her out to be .....very fond of smacking small children ..hard... and leaving them in little rooms on their own for hours on end...
 Another_Musician
Joined: 11/7/2008
Msg: 61
does the christian cross offend?
Posted: 1/20/2009 8:36:05 AM
It's quite possible that it was meant to avoid offending christians.

I've met a number of Wee Free's who are very against the idea of acting and entertainment in general. Though why they watch tv is another question...
 Abrasive Balm
Joined: 12/21/2008
Msg: 62
does the christian cross offend?
Posted: 1/20/2009 9:35:09 AM
Yeah cover the bloody cross up, fair play to em, I'm sick seeing the damn thing, sick of seeing churches all over the place, sick of preachers in the street with thier placards peddling bollox to the uninterested, sick of people saying "god, bless you"! Sick of the christian schpeel about 'Love thy neighbour' when they are all 2 faced b1tches hiding behind the 'Lord'...all smiles and greetings in church and then slagging eachother off as soon as they get home. Its all a mask, none of them are real, none actually being themselves..sheep with little direction.

Anyway...I don't watch TV.
 Marmite baby
Joined: 5/19/2007
Msg: 63
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Posted: 1/20/2009 10:31:12 AM
I didn't notice, but icons of other religions go over my head, like other millisecond tube posters.Doesn't bother me personally either.But the reason does. In that people should feel free to express their faith.
Plus the story is set in Manchester.The characters in question would get married in churches. The story line has to be authentic.
 Netgeek34
Joined: 7/23/2004
Msg: 64
does the christian cross offend?
Posted: 1/20/2009 10:36:46 AM

I think the point is that most of the people in this country are baptised/christened as Christians. This would make you a Christian even if you dont follow Christs teachings.

Even if most of them were babies at the time and didnt have much choice in the matter


They have a perfert right NOT to consider themselves 'Christian' when they get older.

VVV My point exactly VVV
 garyzac
Joined: 9/25/2008
Msg: 65
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Posted: 1/20/2009 10:41:05 AM

Even if most of them were babies at the time and didnt have much choice in the matter


Yup. The same as in their diet, their location, their school, their clothing etc....babies don't get to make many choices, and with good reason.

They have a perfert right NOT to consider themselves 'Christian' when they get older.
 1LOVEJELLY
Joined: 9/7/2008
Msg: 66
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Posted: 1/20/2009 10:45:41 AM
No the christian cross doesn't offend me.

I think the filming was wrong to blott out the cross, they were in a church, its where crosses will be found.

There was a wedding at a synagogue in Eastenders a while ago and no one seemed to think that this was offensive.
 Tesla Roadster
Joined: 5/30/2008
Msg: 67
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Posted: 1/20/2009 10:47:28 AM
Growing up in Catholic education classrooms I do think it strange that a pretty heavy BDSM crucified, scarred statue was on view every day to me from the tiniest age.....when you think about it - pretty suspect methinks.

The government has just outlawed the stuff:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/battle-lines-drawn-over-bill-to-ban-extreme-porn-1216231.html
 SanToki
Joined: 4/28/2007
Msg: 68
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Posted: 1/20/2009 10:52:46 AM
There are 37.3 million people in England and Wales who state their religion as Christian.
This is from the 2001 census, argue all you like but you cant dismiss facts.

Facts are only as good as the research that went into them, and the interpretation that is formed from them. A Christian (to me at least) is someone who believe in Christ, not someone who just sticks it down on a form for a laugh - and the same census also states "66% of the population have no actual connection to any religion or church, despite what they tend to write down on official forms" and that "Less than half of the British people believe in a God" (and personally I'd say that less than half is probably a bit on the high side).

So if 37 million people are "Christians", but 32 million of them don't actually believe in Christianity, that leaves a decidly small minority of 5 million with "genuine" faith. Sounds much more realistic.

I think you will find that it is as the majority of people would class themselves as christians

Hah, I'm sure there are religious people would like to think so, but no.
Christianity has lost most of its membership, and is losing the rest. It is dying.

And thank God for that

 Pisk
Joined: 6/17/2008
Msg: 69
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Posted: 1/21/2009 3:51:06 AM
"I think you will find that it is as the majority of people would class themselves as christians

Hah, I'm sure there are religious people would like to think so, but no.
Christianity has lost most of its membership, and is losing the rest. It is dying.

And thank God for that "

_______________________________________________

Indeed!!!! :)
 ringman
Joined: 3/23/2008
Msg: 70
does the christian cross offend?
Posted: 1/21/2009 4:02:40 AM
Well lm with the majority on this, all though lm not christian and have no faith at all l beleive that in that show corenation street where the cross was covered over they were wrong to do this.

We all have different out look on life and the ways things should be done or said, l dont like people telling me on how to raise my family, but you put a foot wrong on your kids and they want to take them away from you.

We had none of these laws or problems back in the 70s and 80s, bring back the old days lol.
 cannylad1969
Joined: 4/4/2007
Msg: 71
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Posted: 1/21/2009 4:03:28 AM
I find the whole thing strange tbh. Who would the crosses offend? Take the muslims for instance, in their Koran it actually views jesus as a prophet and says that he will lie side by side mohammed, so muslims would be the last to be offended.

Other religions would also not see this as an affront to their beliefs. The country has went way ott with this PC nonsense. It's like that 'Paki' thing that hit the newspapers again after 3 years. I don't get offended being called a Brit, now do I? They need to grow up.
 MrWuppy
Joined: 9/8/2007
Msg: 72
does the christian cross offend?
Posted: 1/21/2009 4:06:53 AM
Not me, It does'nt, and it should not offend other faiths either, if they come to the British Isles from countries with other faiths and cultures, to our Christian based, but not necessarily practised as a worshipped faith culture, knowing it to be our culture, then they have no real right to be offended by the cross being on display. Immigrants from different cultures should be here prepared to accept our culture, not seek to undermine it.
Just my 2p.
 cheekyjules
Joined: 1/25/2008
Msg: 73
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Posted: 1/21/2009 5:04:45 AM
I agree wuppy.

Any non national coming here knows we have a monarcy who is head of the christian church and that is it whether you like it or not... its not an opinion, it's a fact.

If your willing to accept us, our faiths, welcome.

But to be honest I cant see anybody being offended lol but who said it was other faiths or immigrants being offended anyway? Could well be the atheists corrie was protecting the feelings of lol
and if they are tough tittys... the street know they was wrong to do it now so the next cobbles wedding will probably have an almighty big cross on display!
 Pisk
Joined: 6/17/2008
Msg: 74
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Posted: 1/21/2009 10:12:39 AM
Has anyone thought, they may have covered the cross because....
Jesus might have been offended at having to be present at a sham wedding with a handful of half baked over paid crap actors?....

Worth thinking about....
 vwulme
Joined: 10/18/2008
Msg: 75
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Posted: 1/21/2009 10:37:04 AM
And pisk the cross which was a symbol, or icon the Romans did not crucify people onacross, but on a tree. So what is all the fuss about, a wedding on a soap, without the forums it would have passed me by!
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