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| Nutritional supplements...a joke
Posted: 2/4/2009 10:48:09 AM | If were saying supplements are bad for you, how about we talk about the food epidemic in grocery stores? If you think your getting all your nutrients from their chemically derived foods, you sadly mistaken.
Supplements can be useful as long as you know what your taking them for, and if you are lacking that certain nutrient. My favorites are whey protein, beef liver tablets, and cod liver oil.
Again, not everyone needs supplements. Those that do want to take supplements, use your reading skills and do some research before you buy them. | |
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| Nutritional supplements...a joke
Posted: 2/5/2009 7:21:10 PM | | I agree that alot of the supplements out there don't live it to thier claims, but there are some that do. If anyone would like to ask or inguire about a product before buying it, you can go BODYBUILDING.COM and go to a forum there. There are alot of people that have used alot of these supplements and can give you both positve and negative feedback about them before you spend your money on them, as well as alot of other useful information. | |
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| Nutritional supplements...a joke
Posted: 2/5/2009 9:11:43 PM | "Supplements" is such a broad term as to make the original assertion both true and false.
Yeah, the crap you read about in magazines that can make you gain muscle, lose fat, boost brain power, libido, etc. are mostly overblown and ridiculously overpriced and unnecessary, if not dangerous. Some of the basic ones work well, temporarily, for a certain outcome, but are dangerous in large amounts or long term.
However, there's a whole area of supplementation that hasn't really been addressed here. There are many supplements that are great for optimal health, especially with the poor quality food to be found on 99% of grocery shelves, high stress levels, time constraints for proper food prep and for exercise, and exposures to environmental toxins. Hyanluronic Acid, SAM-e, chondrointin and glucosamine, omega-3 fish oils, probiotics, enzymes, and a host of extracts are things which provide convenient proper dosage without having to consume vast amounts of food to gain the same benefits.
For example, high doses of EPA (in omega-3 fish oil) have been shown to have extraordinarily positive effects on people suffering from depression, bi-polar disorder and even schizophrenia. It's a whole lot easier to get 5-10 grams of EPA from capsules, than it is to snarf down a couple of pounds of salmon per day.
Sometimes, it's just not practical and supplements fill in gaps, just as they're meant to. They're not food substitutes, but are very useful when used wisely. | |
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| Nutritional supplements...a joke
Posted: 2/5/2009 11:50:00 PM | NEws tonight reported a number of things about vit D best found in cod liver oil. Teenage girls whose levels were higher would jump further and on average were twice as strong.
In older folks it lessened depression and bouts of skin cancer. | |
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Posted: 2/6/2009 7:34:54 AM | honestly the only supplements that I have seen work for muscle gain are the pro hormones and hormanal supps u can buy, how ever these are very damaging to your body in many ways!
Protien works if your diet is in order | |
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| Nutritional supplements...a joke
Posted: 2/6/2009 9:27:46 AM |
Whey protein is nothing more than a by-product of the cheese making process. I'm gonna go out on a limb here that if that's the case, you could probably get plenty of protein from milk or cheese products
You do realise that with it being a by-product of making cheese, it is no longer in the cheese anymore right? But you are right, getting protein from a powder source gives you nothing extra than getting your protein from a food source, it does however give you less. Less carbs, less fats, less sodium, less cholesterol. It is also more convenient to bring a shake to the gym than to bring a dinner of chicken, green beans and brown rice.
Creatine has far more peer-reviewed articles showing it's safety than it does showing that there is any harm in taking creatine.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19083405?ordinalpos=8&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18652082?ordinalpos=3&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
Some people notice upset stomachs, and there have been isolated cases involving renal problems, but if I was going to stop taking a product because one person had a bad result then I wouldn't be able to eat or drink anything because I know many, many people who get sick from dairy, or die if they eat peanuts, or break out in rashes if they eat tomatoes or get pimples from sugars... the list goes on. Obviously food is much worse for people than creatine is.
Feel free to ask any doctor in America (that doesn't have an agenda to sell them) and they'll tell you the same thing.
Nine times out of ten, doctors have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to diet, they still think that the food pyramid is a good idea. Doctors are good at stitching wounds and prescribing all kinds of drugs, diet and actual health advice (remember at one point in time the surgeon general recommended smoking) they really are out of their element. | |
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| Nutritional supplements...a joke
Posted: 2/6/2009 9:53:40 AM | | As I do agree with fit guy's original post…I disagree on the fact when you have "special needs" for specific training or you have an illness. I simply cannot eat enough protein required to gain the muscle mass I desire for my events. And since I work full-time and am on the go an awful lot, I do rely on multi-vitiman packs and omega 3's to help meet the nutrional needs my body requires to be at it's peak. While it is best to get all of your nutrients from natural food in it's non-processed state, it's literally impossible in this day and age. I am a strong supporter of GNC and other companies that supply supplements to get me by as I do not have the time to cook, eat and get enough fruits and veggies in. I believe most americans have this lifestyle. You just have to educate yourself and work with your medical doctor if necessary to determine your needs. Supplements are just what they are called….they "supplement" only. They are not a replacement for healthy living/healthy food. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2009 1:04:57 AM | http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/
This is a cardiologist's blog, OPie, read a few pages, and seriously come back here and make the same statement.
The amount of dis- and misinformation out there about a "decent" diet is mind-boggling.
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| Nutritional supplements...a joke
Posted: 2/7/2009 6:56:14 AM |
You do realise that with it being a by-product of making cheese, it is no longer in the cheese anymore right? But you are right, getting protein from a powder source gives you nothing extra than getting your protein from a food source, it does however give you less. Less carbs, less fats, less sodium, less cholesterol. It is also more convenient to bring a shake to the gym than to bring a dinner of chicken, green beans and brown rice.
Creatine has far more peer-reviewed articles showing it's safety than it does showing that there is any harm in taking creatine.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19083405?ordinalpos=8&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18652082?ordinalpos=3&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
Some people notice upset stomachs, and there have been isolated cases involving renal problems, but if I was going to stop taking a product because one person had a bad result then I wouldn't be able to eat or drink anything because I know many, many people who get sick from dairy, or die if they eat peanuts, or break out in rashes if they eat tomatoes or get pimples from sugars... the list goes on. Obviously food is much worse for people than creatine is.
Great post, Dave. But there is no need to extensively rebut the OP. Notice he never came back to discuss his own post? Not to mention he states that there is all this evidence that supplements are "worthless", yet provides no evidence?
He is a troll. | |
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| Nutritional supplements...a joke
Posted: 2/7/2009 10:21:55 AM | | I would agree OP with alot of supplements being snake oil. I take no2(increased circulation), a fat-burner for energy(I work construction so I need it), and omega 3's.I work my a$$ off in the gym and need an edge sometimes. | |
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| Nutritional supplements...a joke
Posted: 2/7/2009 8:44:32 PM | Well alot of you may be very skeptical on Vitamins/Supplements but in all honesty when isn't someone skeptical on basically anything these days.
If you ask my opinion on Vitamins/Supplements and speaking from personal testimony with Nutrilites Supplements, I find that if a company CAN back there product with all the research behind it and can prove their science behind then it is a good product.
I mean where else can you get a Vitamin/Supplement company that guarantees its product for 180 days money back guarantee? That speaks for itself and that the company stands behind it's products. Go to a healthfoods store and they offer NO guarantee..only offering a return if rotten/rancid..now shouldn't they check their vitamins before even putting it in the production line?
I may be biased because I use Nutrilite myself and having visited their manufacturing plant in Buena Park , CA and their farms in Lakeview, CA..but if you do your research..study the product..its background and see for yourself how the product is raised right from the ground up and the companies practises..then my friends..there are some good companies out there.
In closing, really any company that offers a 180 day money back guarantee on its Supplements is a damn good thing. | |
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| Nutritional supplements...a joke
Posted: 2/9/2009 5:37:14 PM |
It never ceases to amaze me the gullability of the American public that buys anything that companies will put out there to supposedly help people to get into shape. Everything you need nutrition wise can be found in your diet by eating the right foods and there is no scientific evidence of any kind that any nutritional supplementation of any kind does anything whatsoever that you couldn't get from your diet anyway. It's even come out now that multivitamins are non-essential and in fact can be harmful. Catch a clue people and if you really want to get healthy and have aggressive fitness goals talk to a clinical dietician or nutritional specialist that can show you the right things to eat.
Yes, your body digests and circulates the nutrients you get from food better than any supplement or vitamin you can take. However, people who are deficient in certain vitamins or minerals can benefit from taking a multi-vitamin. Like myself, for instance. I'm anemic, and i'm also a thyroid patient, so I have to take extra calcium because I have an increased risk for Osteoporosis.
But yes, you are right about getting sick from over taking vitamins. Almost every vitamin has toxicity symptoms. People need to be aware of what they are putting in their bodies. | |
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