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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/22/2009 7:52:57 PM | More reasons that our health care system needs some oversight
http://www.healingdaily.com/Doctors-Are-The-Third-Leading-Cause-of-Death-in-the-US.htm
Doctors Are The 3rd Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 225,000 Deaths Every Year In July of 2000 there was a great article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) , one of the best articles ever written in the published literature documenting the tragedy of the traditional medical paradigm.
This information was published in JAMA which is the most widely circulated medical periodical in the world.
The author of the article is Dr. Barbara Starfield of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health and she describes how the US health care system may contribute to medical mistakes and poor health.
DEATHS PER YEAR:
12,000 - unnecessary surgery (8) 7,000 - medication errors in hospitals (9) 20,000 - other errors in hospitals (10) 80,000 - infections in hospitals (10) 106,000 - non-error, negative effects of drugs
This is a total of 225,000 deaths per year from a physician's activity, manner, or therapy.
Dr. Starfield reminds us to keep the following in mind when interpreting these numbers:
1st, most of the data are derived from studies in hospitalized patients. 2nd, these estimates are for deaths only and do not include negative effects that are associated with disability or discomfort. 3rd, the estimates of death due to error are lower than those in the IOM report.1 If the higher estimates are used, the deaths would range from 230,000 to 284,000. In any case, 225,000 deaths per year constitutes the 3rd leading cause of death in the United States, after deaths from heart disease and cancer. Even if these figures are an overestimate, there is a wide margin between these numbers of deaths and the next leading cause of death (cerebrovascular disease).
Another analysis concluded that between 4% and 18% of patients experience negative effects in outpatient settings, with:
116 million extra physician visits 77 million extra prescriptions 17 million emergency department visits 8 million hospitalizations 3 million long-term admissions 199,000 additional deaths $77 billion in extra costs The high cost of the health care system seems to be tolerated under the assumption that better health results from more expensive care.
However, evidence from a few studies indicates that as many as 20% to 30% of patients receive inappropriate care.
According to one study(2), an estimated 44,000 to 98,000 among them die each year as a result of medical errors.
This situation might be tolerated if it resulted in better health, but does it? Of 13 countries in a recent comparison,(3,4) the U. S. ranks an average of 12th (one up from the bottom) for 16 available health indicators. More specifically, the ranking of the United States on several indicators was:
13th (last) for low-birth-weight percentages 13th for neonatal mortality and infant mortality overall (14) 11th for postneonatal mortality 13th for years of potential life lost (excluding external causes) 11th for life expectancy at 1 year for females, 12th for males 10th for life expectancy at 15 years for females, 12th for males 10th for life expectancy at 40 years for females, 9th for males 7th for life expectancy at 65 years for females, 7th for males 3rd for life expectancy at 80 years for females, 3rd for males 10th for age-adjusted mortality The poor performance of the US was recently confirmed by a World Health Organization study, which used different data and ranked the U. S. as 15th among 25 industrialized countries.
Lack of technology is certainly not a contributing factor to the United States 's low ranking.
Among 29 countries, the United States is 2nd only to Japan in the availability of computed tomography (CT) scanners and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) units per million population. (17)
Japan, however, ranks highest on health whereas the United States ranks among the lowest.
Journal American Medical Association 2000 Jul 26;284(4):483-5
If this information is surprising to you, you can find out more about the medical establishment in the United States and how public relations firms shape and manipulate the public's beliefs on the "Why you believe what you believe" page. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/22/2009 8:03:54 PM | I have no problem with being able to track medical procedures. A few years back, I had to be hospitalized overnight and in the process, without even getting my permission, they ran several tests and billed my insurance company for it. Some of the tests were repeat tests that had just been done a few weeks prior. As a result, my insurance company did not once again pay for it ... and I was billed privately for it. I did not pay for them because I did not authorize the tests and they did not ask me first about it. If they had even contacted my insurance company to get authorization for the tests, they would have known that the insurance company had just paid for such tests.
While the results would not have been available, they could have asked me who had the results and I could have told them. I'm a nurse and knew exactly what tests had been previously run and was also in a position to tell them that and also who they could contact for the results.
They just never bothered to ask me. They also tried to bill my insurance company (and me as well) for the service of a doctor who never laid eyes on me, much less treated me. They tried to ruin my credit rating because I refused to pay the bill even though I knew exactly the man had never laid eyes on me.
I work for an agency that takes cases for medicare. We have been informed that all agencies that work for medicare must be on computer by the end of 2009. All work that we do in the home for medicare must be entered on the computer and they must be allowed to access it at any time. We are audited on a regular basis and penalized if work is not appropriate, entries are not done entirely or work is not recorded to their specifications. Too many errors and they take away our ability to provide service to medicare patients.
I have no problem with that ... it means they are closely watching how our precious tax money is being spent. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/23/2009 1:01:18 PM |
From where I stand, things could get no worst,
You really shouled never say that, BECAUSE.
The US is headed toward spending 1/3 of GNP on health care, with 1/2 of the population not insured...................
Best health care in the world.
People have to wait in lines in other countries.......... ha
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/24/2009 5:46:18 AM | well I see my post and another has been deleted,
not sure why, I didn't think I was that out spoken and was speaking from first hand experience, not something I was guessing or was told by unknown sources.
When I say, where I stand, things can get no worse, thats want I means. If I have a life threating problem that cost over $3000.00 I'm a dead man.
I don't accept hand-outs, and the VA, will tell me I don't qualify and go down to County. Medicaid and and MedicCare is not options.
again , it's where I stand , you might well stand somewhere else.
Medical care is just too expensive! and no care being the only option or a hand out! Proud people don't accept handouts, so medical care need to be affordable.
I can't help but think profit driven Medical Care is just not the answer. I find conflicting with a doctor's oath as a healer for starters, and then I can go into hours of fine details to support my views.
We have many issues to address as a nation, backyard issues that been putt off and ignored for many years.
I've been keeping up whith activites of Capital Hill via C-span while nursing a 14 day flu.
What I am hearing is very encouraging, Committies, Sub -Committies, Steering Committies, Over-Sight Committies, Hearing, are working overtime as they address the peoples business like I' ve never seen this happen with such speed before. Capital Hill is not asleep these these days, they are working with issues of substance that affect us all. Above all, they are making sense!
The days of well-paid , bright elected officials wasting months attemping to decide if Monica swallows and where the blue dress is, is over.
I've falled to see much bi-partisan support, save for a few dedicated men and women from the northeast, the south still offering as much resistance as they can muster. Attempting to pull off the biggest self-prophcey "I told you so" posturing for 2112.
They're eyes are on 2112, not here with us today, Bring forward only , why it can't and won't work! and they plans is better, but they've not bothered to "break it out" show it to us.
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/24/2009 7:20:45 PM | "They just never bothered to ask me. They also tried to bill my insurance company (and me as well) for the service of a doctor who never laid eyes on me, much less treated me. They tried to ruin my credit rating because I refused to pay the bill even though I knew exactly the man had never laid eyes on me. "
CA law requires that a physician review x-rays. There was no physician in the emergency room. The nurse assistant and I looked at the x-rays (and I am not qualified) and she decided to half-cast my hand which had a hairline break and was swollen 4 times the normal size. Think a moment. How to you properly ice and/or heat a hand in a cast? Couldn't. Result? Trauma induced rhuematoid arthritis. Sigh.
Did I get charged for physician review? Twice actually. After I left the hospital they sent them out to two companies who reviewed them. I don't think they meant to send it to two, since only 1 is required. I paid the cheaper bill and refused the other... and I have no doubt it hurt my credit.
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/24/2009 8:34:34 PM | I,m listening to the RNC Governor , Bobby Jendel from Louisanna respond to Obamas' address .
He's saying "We believe Americans can do anything, don't need no Goverment, it all about the heart of the people"
Hmm? wonder where he's been hiding? Is that the RNC's final words on the matter? Asking for restored faith in the GOP. Hmm? He's coming across like Mr. Pepperment.
"Will you be my neighbor?"
What happen to the lady Governor they had, I liked her! After Katerina she went to Congress and told them the way it happened. "Take my National guard troops to fight your war and leave me naked!" " Use my State and rivers as a corridor to harvest you crude and offer me pennies and no consideration or support as my state serves this Nation in matter most vital? You ask me to defend myself and my judgement and begg you for help for my people from a storm for bibilical proportion? There is more to this state then the Big EasY.
This Bobby Jendel was billed as being their upstart "Golden Boy" Hmm? I'd say he's a little green. Few finding the courage to jump out front and center, taking a chance of getting their head handed to them, the RNC sends out a third stringer. I'd call that smart at this point in time ( or chichen $hit really) by the seniors and Bobby less then bright , just ambitious.
I was some 60 miles out off the coast of Louisanna in heavy pitch back in 2007, cut the end of my finger off as a engine room hatch door shock loose and slamed on my hand.
No big deal, but I need more the an asprin. Made it into Lake Charles some 12 hours later and got patched up. I had all the information of my contractor and who we were contracting for, names , phone numbers, addresses, everything , it wasn't my first rodeo. Usually, the hospital sends in some federal people in , Coast Guard type people, , blood test and urine test are taken, to make sure you are clean , and a satatment as to what was you w engaged in doing, well they didn't do that. Infact they refused to take any information, just my name and asked me to sign some papers. In 2 hours I was patched up, heavy druged I found a room and the next day, bused at 12 hour ride home.
So far that 1/2 '' of finger is worth "$4500.00 dollars, that not counting what I spent once I got home.
They keep calling and sending me the bills and I keep pasting them on .
Now I feel bad about this, and ofoarse they have bloody my nose credit wise.
so what's one to do, ? pay it? sue the subcontractor or sue the contractor or just sent them a 1/2 inch of finger?
Oh! my brother works for the subcontractor.
Now if this hospital had conducted their busisness as "required" by the insurance company(s) this story would read differently.
I don't know what the answer are? does anyone see a clear way to proceed?
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 3/13/2009 10:42:26 AM | These pet projects or pork spending items that came out of the house should not have been included and Pelosi should have reigned in her's and other democrats wish list until this thing passed and fought republicans once they have proven to Americans that they could be trusted. But now all she has shown us and Obama that she and other democrats cannot be trusted.
It's called being irresponsible: Neither Obama or Pelosi are responsible people. Pelosi should have reigned in her's and other Democrats wish list but she didn't so Obama should have vetoed the Damn bill. Obama was harsh during his campaign about wish list but he sacrificed this Nation's future trying to be a "GREAT" president. Our children ,their children's children will pay the bill! | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 3/13/2009 11:19:00 AM |
It's called being irresponsible: Neither Obama or Pelosi are responsible people. Pelosi should have reigned in her's and other Democrats wish list but she didn't so Obama should have vetoed the Damn bill. Obama was harsh during his campaign about wish list but he sacrificed this Nation's future trying to be a "GREAT" president. Our children ,their children's children will pay the bill!
The bill that you are referencing was not part of the stimulus package, it is part of the budget, I "think" with the problem President Obama was having with reaching out to party members he thought the country would be better served if he signed the bill. To label all the spending as pork or waste is ridiculous. Up tp 40% of this bill was put on by members of the Republican party if they or any of the Democrats want any thing removed from the bill let them start with the projects they attached to the bill or quit whining like a spoiled bunch of kids about it | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 3/13/2009 12:55:14 PM |
The bill that you are referencing was not part of the stimulus package, it is part of the budget, I "think" with the problem President Obama was having with reaching out to party members he thought the country would be better served if he signed the bill.
Any bill,stimulus or otherwise Obama has the responsibility to veto pork loaded bills. Democrats and Republicans should refrain from loading bills with pork but if they don't it's Obama's job to protect the people he made promises to that he would protect.
The prez is responsible for signing into law or vetoing, so he should know both Republicans and Democrats will fill bills with unnecessary spending.
Reaching out to party members trying not to be partisan works some of the time, other times it doesn't so the Prez should be alert and responsible enough to veto any pork filled bill.
Obama made it clear during his campaign he would not tolerate pork filled bills,but yet he is doing exactly the opposite. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 4/22/2009 8:15:29 PM | Here is a good definition.
------------------------------------------------------------- American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "Stimulus bill" redirects here. For other uses, see Stimulus bill (disambiguation). American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009
Official seal of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.
U.S. President Barack Obama signs the ARRA into law on February 17, 2009 in Denver, Colorado. Vice President Joe Biden stands behind him. Wikinews has related news: Obama signs $787 billion stimulus package The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (Pub.L. 111-5) is an economic stimulus package enacted by the 111th United States Congress and signed into law by President Barack Obama on February 17, 2009. The Act of Congress was based largely on proposals made by President Obama and is intended to provide a stimulus to the U.S. economy in the wake of the economic downturn. The measures are nominally worth $787 billion. The Act includes federal tax relief, expansion of unemployment benefits and other social welfare provisions, and domestic spending in education, health care, and infrastructure, including the energy sector. The Act also includes numerous non-economic recovery related items that were either part of longer-term plans (e.g. a study of the effectiveness of medical treatments) or desired by Congress (e.g. a limitation on executive compensation in federally aided banks added by Senator Dodd and Rep. Frank). The government action is much larger than the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008, which consisted primarily of tax rebate checks. The bill was first approved by the House of Representatives, and then by the Senate. Congressional negotiators announced on February 11 that they had completed the Conference Report of the bill.[1] The Conference Report with final handwritten provisions was made available to the public on February 13.[2] On that day, the Conference Report was voted on and passed as Roll Call Vote 70 by the House, 246-183. The vote was largely along party lines with all 246 Yea votes given by Democrats and the Nay vote split between 176 Republicans and 7 Democrats.[3] No Republicans in the House voted for the bill. Later that day, the Senate passed the bill, 60-38, with all Democrats and Independents voting for the bill along with three Republicans.[3] The remaining 38 Republican senators voted against the bill.[4][5] The bill was signed into law on February 17 by President Obama at an economic forum he was hosting in Denver, Colorado.[6]
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 4/22/2009 9:31:49 PM |
That was the campaign, now we have to deal with the reality.
You're exactly right; and the reality is our children ,their children's children will be paying the debts,unnecessary debts too!
Okay ~ how can this be explained? ~ ~ The American commerce engine chuggs to an all but stop! Joe Consumer has quit buying and is having problems paying his bills and keeping what he's got. ~ Banks have quit lending ~ so they are bailed out by the Fed but still won't lend money out because few now qualify. ~ The private sector has stalled and starts laying off people seeing a gloomy short future. ~~ We find ourselves in a stall, spin, crash and burn situation.
The view out the windshield is all patchworks of green , going round and round, getting nearer and nearer as we fall to a sudden stop.
So what needs to be done ? ~ to get America up and running again? and you don't have all day to make it happen.
I'm not sure if worrying about children that you might not ever have is a overriding concern at this point ~
To be optimistic and gloomly in the same sentence I find must conterdictive.
So explain to us how your plan might work.
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 4/23/2009 10:20:38 PM |
To further put my "ducks in a row," I am not arguing that Congress doesn't have the ability to do so according to the Constitution. What I am arguing is that according to the WTO, which is a binding treaty that was signed and ratified by the US Congress, the United States can not impose unfair and unequal tarrifs, taxes, or duties on the products or labor of other countries. Because the President and the Congress has signed and ratified this particular treaty, they have agreed to bide by the rulings of the WTO no matter what the Constitution says. Just because you say your car isn't totalled when it goes over a cliff doesn't mean it isn't.
Ezzee, There is no such a word as "cannot". WTO is composed of about 150 members and each country has one vote regardless of trade value and political and economic influence. It is all the time in conflict with USA and most propositions USA has made have been rejected. There have been ridiculous ruling in WTA which forced USA to go against its own constitution.
It is merely an old-style European Beaurcratic organization, and trust me, while I understand your expertise and education in this issue, but you have to admit that I do know what is European old Bureaucracy.
USA has made attempts to change the rules it entered WTO at the first place in 1994 which has been damaging USA's interests most of the time.
I am far away from being an expert in this field as opposed you, but it is more than clear to me that there should be ways to fix ridiculous problems related with USA import-export poor state.
I don't think there shouldn't be a way to promote producing products here instead of importaing so much, even if it will be against heavier taxation, then there should be other ways.
Even more, ridiculous outsourcing which damages the economy so much and I had a case a while ago when someone in Sri Lanka was asking my SS# as a Wamu rep, should end.
There should be no violation of WTO, or even if it will be violation of signed agreements, then let them hire lawyers to discuss these agreements furthers, but if some freaking IT company is abroad, and they make money and do sales here, then they have to pay taxes to the state and federal government. If I want to buy a shirt and can look on the label and see where it is made, then if telemarketrs are talking, then I have to know where the f^&*)^*) my call is being transferred. If Wamu or Bank of America is having a customer service center in freaking Sri Lanka to save money, then it is very hard for me to imagine that some MF-er in Switzerland has to come and say how much USA government should tax its own Bank of America for extra-country subcontracting. Again, I am not an expert but can guarantee you that this will not be a violation of any agreement. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 4/25/2009 9:27:52 AM |
I heard on the radio yesterday (while driving to work) Americans feel more confident as a whole in the economy. Why can't the republicans give him his credit. He is doing a good job!
If a republican is president, according to democrats--it takes months, even years for the economy to improve--usually about the amount of time since the last democrat president was involved--but when a democrat is president it can improve instantly and they were totally responsible............ | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 4/25/2009 7:24:07 PM | I love how just because I hate Obama all the lefties have me pinned as a Limbaugh follower. That's fine, doesn't hurt me either way.
But for the source--look all over this forum or any other left leaning political forum/website.......until a couple days ago everyone on the left yelling it might take months or years to get the economy back on track. Now that it has it's all Obama's doing. It's always that way. If a great economy happened during a democrat's term..oh, of course he should get full credit, but if the same happened during a republican's term--it's always due to the democrat that came before him. Pure B.S.--I think it goes to show the President has very little if anything to do with the economy.
You did, however get one thing right. I never cared for Obama. Still don't. I think he is going to hurt this country in the long run in ways we aren't going to see for years. Just like many of the things that good ol Jimmy Carter got started in the late 70s that are just now biting us in the ass. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 4/25/2009 8:59:13 PM | You're twisting words here.
Nobody said that the economy is just dandy now - only that Americans are starting to feel more confident about it. Frankly fixing a mess is a much bigger and longer process than creating one. It's just that Americans are starting to believe that that process has begun.
And it's the mess that Reagan started that is now biting you in the ass - namely the deregulation, cutting taxes to the rich, tripling military spending, etc. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 4/25/2009 10:03:40 PM |
I think it goes to show the President has very little if anything to do with the economy.
Unless................ It's President Carter? 30 years later.
The GOP worries about deficts???????
What about Tax cutter Reagan?
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter,"
"We won the midterms. This is our due." Cheney
I agree with Cheney..........
Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill was told "deficits don't matter" when he warned of a looming fiscal crisis.
O'Neill, fired in a shakeup of Bush's economic team in December 2002, raised objections to a new round of tax cuts and said the president balked at his more aggressive plan to combat corporate crime after a string of accounting scandals because of opposition from "the corporate crowd," a key constituency.
O'Neill said he tried to warn Vice President****Cheney that growing budget deficits-expected to top $500 billion this fiscal year alone-posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off. "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter," he said, according to excerpts. Cheney continued: "We won the midterms (congressional elections). This is our due." A month later, Cheney told the Treasury secretary he was fired.
Source: [X-ref O'Neill] Adam Entous, Reuters, on AOL News Jan 11, 2004
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 4/25/2009 10:23:20 PM |
And it's the mess that Reagan started that is now biting you in the ass - namely the deregulation, cutting taxes to the rich, tripling military spending, etc.
Proves my point. Had to be a republican. Reagan brought this country back on it's feet after Carter damn nearly destroyed it.
But no one on the left seems to have a problem with Obama's record spending. And he isn't even cutting his military spending that much--but watch how the military itself gets shredded.
Unless................ It's President Carter? 30 years later.
I was talking about programs he ushered in the late 70's being the supposed cause of the meltdown now. I do feel the president actually has little to do with the economy. Unless they try to manipulate it. Then it usually goes south. We'll see how Obama's manipulations pan out--probably about 2025--not anytime soon.
O'Neill said he tried to warn Vice President****Cheney that growing budget deficits-expected to top $500 billion this fiscal year alone-posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off. "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter," he said, according to excerpts. Cheney continued: "We won the midterms (congressional elections). This is our due." A month later, Cheney told the Treasury secretary he was fired.
Sour grapes on the part of O'Neil is what I am reading here. Anyone can say the said anything at all after the fact. And Reagan did prove deficits didn't matter--again, he brought the country back from near disaster. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 4/26/2009 11:22:53 AM |
Proves my point. Had to be a republican. Reagan brought this country back on it's feet after Carter damn nearly destroyed it.
See, I'm old enough to remember the 70's and 80's. The economy was a mess when Carter took over.
Reagan ushered in a massive recession with his economic policies and his approval ratings hit the 20's at it's lowest. It was all about "trickle down" and "supply side economics." The idea was to keep inflation down with very high interest rates; and give money to the rich because they would invest it in the economy. The thing is though, if the rich can get 20% returns on T-Bills, that's where they'll put their money. Reagan's deficits meant there was lots of government debt to buy, and his monetary policies meant there were high interest rates attached to it.
The economy recovered by a consumer-lead recovery. I was there, I know that's what all the talk was and what brought the economy out of recession. But Reagan's policies were specifically geared against that very type of occurence. Reagan not only made the economy worse, he actively worked against the very thing that saved it. Reagan got lucky because he came to power as the Baby Boomers were hitting their 30's and having kids and buying houses and mini vans.
But no one on the left seems to have a problem with Obama's record spending. And he isn't even cutting his military spending that much--but watch how the military itself gets shredded.
Nobody with any sense is happy about increased debt. It's just that not doing it is worse. This is a crisis not seen in generations. And there's a 4% increase in the defense budget - that doesn't strike me as much of a cut in spending there. Just not the massive increase that they're used to. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 4/26/2009 1:23:00 PM | It's pointless to argue about it anyway. There seems to be 2 versions of history out there. One that says Reagan got of out of the recession and one that says he didn't.
And there's a 4% increase in the defense budget - that doesn't strike me as much of a cut in spending there. Just not the massive increase that they're used to.
But there should be, gitmo closing, Iraqi military returning home, ah, but the troops to Afghanistan--but still isn't that still a reduction in troops? Why the budget increase? Guess he can't even do that right.
Nobody with any sense is happy about increased debt. It's just that not doing it is worse.
Seems that some are less unhappy than others. Guess it's weather there's a D or an R behind the one doing the spending. When that letter's D, everyone better shut up and be patriotic. Not doing it is not gonna happen. Weather it's better or worse is debatable. | |
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