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Posted: 2/8/2009 10:07:34 PM | If I give you a dollar, and you spend that dollar at my store. You still get a product, and the money still goes to my store. It's an indirect subsidy. This is not exactly rocket science.
It's an indirect pain in the ass. If you give me a dollar and I spend it at your store--I get a product and you are out whatever that product cost you AND the dollar. That isn't rocket science it's nonsense. If your product cost you .50 you aren't only out .50 cents, you are out 1.50 now. That's how your business goes bankrupt very quickly.
It's a extremely short sighted poorly thought out suggestion. Thats why it's so easy to poke holes in it.
I don't see anyone but you doing any poking. Ever think you might be wrong?
How amusing that you think you can make blanket statements about rich people in any manner. The reality is that these people made a series of business decisions that led to record banking profits for years, but it was short term gain, serious long term pain for the entire world.
It goes right along with the "you give me a dollar" statement above. Why would anyone who has money wish for more people to be out of work so we have to pay for their unemployment or welfare. That is the most boneheaded thinking I've ever read in my life. Let's bankrupt the country so we can pay more taxes. Absolute brilliance!!
I know plenty of rich people, and not one of them wants a bunch of people out of work. I can't say all of them don't, but if they do they are as mindnumbingly moronic as any comment stating the opposite. And not all rich people are bankers--how amusing you can make blanket statements about rich people in any manner. Oops, I think I heard that from a pot that called a kettle black somewhere.
Are you saying landscaping firms don't have a future?
Not if they are counting on a job in Washington resodding for Obama's parties. It's a one time deal, then off to the unemployment line or welfare office they go. Unless they have other jobs lined up. It might make the owner of the sod company rich though. But it will create zero long term jobs. Zero. As most of the programs contained in this "economic stimu-less package" do.
Also, nice snide little comment about Obama, personally I don't know how much the egg clean up cost after Bush's little fiasco, but then again Bush came in with the advantage of inheriting an economy that wasn't from an idiot president who bankrupted the country on a war. (Which you supported)
Hang on while I laugh a bit.......okay. No Bush came after a president who lied about a blow job. ANd if you'd like to look back a few years, I think you'll find there were a few dems who supported this country going into that war. More than a few actually, like the majority of the country. We had no idea we had false information, and I honestly don't think Bush did either. Now some of his cronies might have, the jury is still out on that matter, and since dems are so gung ho about innocence until guilt is proven, maybe they should hold the wagging tongues until when and if it is or isn't proven.
Oh, and yes, if republican protesters were at the Obama-fest throwing eggs, they should have been made to pay for the clean-up. But they have more class than that, obviously. | |
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Posted: 2/8/2009 10:21:37 PM |
It's an indirect pain in the ass. If you give me a dollar and I spend it at your store--I get a product and you are out whatever that product cost you AND the dollar. That isn't rocket science it's nonsense. If your product cost you .50 you aren't only out .50 cents, you are out 1.50 now. That's how your business goes bankrupt very quickly.
Sigh. The transfer is from the US government to American corporations. The corporations get the cash, the country gets the product (often products that could be found much cheaper from alternative markets.)
It goes right along with the "you give me a dollar" statement above. Why would anyone who has money wish for more people to be out of work so we have to pay for their unemployment or welfare. That is the most boneheaded thinking I've ever read in my life. Let's bankrupt the country so we can pay more taxes. Absolute brilliance!!
As I said, I'm not making blanket statements about anybody who is rich. The reality is that Sub Prime Loans made record profits for Banks before the failure. Describe whatever motivation you wish, but that is the reality.
Also, history has shown that a CEO is certainly willing to put people on unemployment to make more money. Hello, massive layoffs in order to "save money" anyone? Wealthy people have shown themselves to be more than willing to put people on the dole for their own personal profit margins. Isn't that what the entire mechanization of the work environment has acomplished (along with many good things too)
Hang on while I laugh a bit.......okay. No Bush came after a president who lied about a blow job
Oh well, thats nothing compared to the worst job losses in decades. | |
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Posted: 2/9/2009 12:30:42 AM |
Sigh. The transfer is from the US government to American corporations. The corporations get the cash, the country gets the product (often products that could be found much cheaper from alternative markets.)
You just keep making more points for why I think it should stop. If the money wasn't going into greedy foreign government coffers, going overseas to American corps (that should be here, not there) and the fact that very little of the money actually gets to places where it helps anyone, maybe I would have a different POV. If every dollar of aid went to actually help people, then maybe people wouldn't be in the shape they are in. Most of these "non profit" foreign aid corporations (for lack of a better term) are also run by big CEO's making millions a year.
Also, history has shown that a CEO is certainly willing to put people on unemployment to make more money. Hello, massive layoffs in order to "save money" anyone? Wealthy people have shown themselves to be more than willing to put people on the dole for their own personal profit margins. Isn't that what the entire mechanization of the work environment has acomplished (along with many good things too)
I don't disagree with you here at all. But that is a situation where wall street comes into play. And I agree that is wrong, but that is a very small portion of the rich, not all of them think that way, and I do know some who have operated in the red for several years to keep their workers working. A local CEO of a plant making parts for GM cars ran his plant without a salary for two years until GM closed the plant the company supplied. He no longer had a choice, he couldn't keep building parts for cars that weren't. A guy who works next door to where I work kept his shop open for a year to keep 3 people working at a loss of 3000.00 dollars a month. He finally integrated them into another company he owns. They aren't all bad apples, and sometimes there are extinuating circumstances.
But I do agree a company like Wal Mart shouldn't do what it does to it's employees. And I have boycotted them for years. I don't think their five owners should make billions a year while most of their employees supplement their income with welfare. But see, there again, this is the decision of 5 people. It's a shame they are the biggest employer in the U.S.A. But they are. But still, I don't see anyone in government making any moves to attempt to stop them from doing what they do. And they should.
As I said in my original outline, employers should be made to pay their workers a livable wage. Especially when they can afford to. When the bottom falls out, sometimes they have no other choice but to lay people off.
Oh well, thats nothing compared to the worst job losses in decades.
As I said before no one party in government is to blame entirely for the mess we have. As much as blame gets thrown around, neither side has really done much to prevent what could become a disaster.
Problem is, this stimulus package doesn't do a whole lot either. And when it gets passed, as I'm sure it will, and if it fails, as I fear it will, guess who will get the blame?
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Posted: 2/9/2009 6:57:54 AM | Problem is, this stimulus package doesn't do a whole lot either. And when it gets passed, as I'm sure it will, and if it fails, as I fear it will, guess who will get the blame?
Bush.
Humm? blame? blame for failure? So we don't want Bush to get the blame? or we don't want Obama to get the credit? or we follow the GOP"s lead and give Obama the credit for failure or success? or the GOP get the credit of successful and Obama the credit for failure? ~ I fear if this be an overriding "problem" of blame or credit ~ we deserving of the present state of affairs.
Our preoccupation with such matters exhaust much energy and waste much time.
Unkind 43 administration, Obamas' administration is not frozen in place like a deer in headlights. Refusing to make a decision of major magnitude for worry of blame.
There is NO one that knows with certainly the future. with one exception!
To do "nothing" or do too little ~ certainly seems clear.
As GNP is forecasted to drop another trillion in the coming year.
Obama asks for neither credit or blame ~ just corporation and chance to lead.
Unlike the past administration, he's not pulled all of these ideas out of his a$$ but consulted with the brightest minds skilled in theses areas. It's his administrations plans.
There is no "yes men" or "empty shirts" or "vested interest groups" or "old buddies" in his Administration. ~ Obamas' assembles a strong cabinet, the ones I do question, I defer to Obamas' judgment . ~
Failure is not acceptable, people not willing to change their ways is not acceptable, for this nation to "not" change it's ways is not acceptable. There's things are very clear to the most simple among us.
The last 2 weeks ~ both House and Senate has given us a good show ~ I struggle to keep faith in the system.
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Posted: 2/9/2009 12:41:53 PM |
Unlike the past administration, he's not pulled all of these ideas out of his a$$ but consulted with the brightest minds skilled in theses areas. It's his administrations plans.
Actually, he says this plan met him at the door. Surely to displace blame. And his administration being the brightest minds skilled in these areas is highly debatable. They are mostly Clinton cronies. | |
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Posted: 2/9/2009 1:40:11 PM |
And his administration being the brightest minds skilled in these areas is highly debatable. They are mostly Clinton cronies. This is sooooo true.
When you think what horrible shape we were in when Clinton was president. It was so awful that "The Bush"/"The Dubya"/"The High-Functioning Moron"/"The Anencephalic" had so much surplus ... he passed out surplus checks in March of 2002.
Ya ... those were awful years ... those Clinton years ...  | |
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Posted: 2/9/2009 3:39:26 PM | I have a few questions that I hope someone can answer:
Why do some Americans benefit from this "stimulus recovery package" and others do not? How is this fair? Why are some Americans expected to be responsible and pay their bills and are unable to discharge their debt, while others are apparently going to be bailed out of theirs?
Why do I have to pay back my student loans and not default, essentially looking at massive payments per month until I'm dead, while the Big Three, AIG, and now specific, choice Americans are given a pass on their debt and their supposed "mistakes" like the mortagage crisis, and various other poor decisions?
HOW IS THIS FAIR? | |
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Posted: 2/9/2009 4:26:09 PM | Ya ... those were awful years ... those Clinton years
well , we'll just have to disagree, Reagan and both Bush's ~ killed me.
That represents a big chuck of my life. ~ and there not one thing that you might ever say to me to change my perspective on this matter.
I have been nothing but bleed down during all three's tenure.
In fact, the middle class is still reeling from Reagan reign.
and I fell to see the horror that you refer to. Might you articulate reference (It was so awful that "The Bush"/"The Dubya"/"The High-Functioning Moron"/"The Anencephalic" had so much surplus ... he passed out surplus checks in March of 2002. )
and on a different note;
Remember when this economic crisis hit, and Congress let Bear Sterns go under,
pushed a bunch of forced marriages between banks, etc.?
Then they bailed out AIG. At the time, I thought:, "That's strange?
What does an insurance company have to do with this crisis?"
AIG ~ INSURES THE PENSION TRUST OF THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS!
Just understand ~ where their true loyalites lies ~ "ALL OF THEM!"
I'd have more respect for the GOP ~ if someone inside the party offered Bush worthy opposition, they had 8 years to do so! ~ as is ~ the "Maverick" was shinning his shoes.
And it's nothing "fair" Kitten ~ there will be "no plan" that "all" considers "fair"
It would be impossible to do! ~
attempt to look, only for degrees of "fairness" ~ The smell of big money, brings out the greed in man. ~ Everybody's wanting a piece ~ tax cuts for the GOP is no longer enough, they want more. ~ after 8 years of giving away the candy store under Bush the GOP has all of a sudden went back to their roots as fiscal conservatives ~ using this arguement to corner as much of this money as possible and attempt to direct it to people they see needful of it.
People that can do something with it ~ not you or I. ~ We can do little with it other then spent it! ~ How wasteful! Pay bills, get you teeth fixed ~ The GOP fails to see these thing as important or will help get the economy moving. ~
That's where we are at ~ with this argument ~ at this very moment.
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Posted: 2/9/2009 4:39:09 PM |
"Why do I have to pay back my student loans and not default, essentially looking at massive payments per month until I'm dead, while the Big Three, AIG, and now specific, choice Americans are given a pass on their debt and their supposed "mistakes" like the mortagage crisis, and various other poor decisions?" HOW IS THIS FAIR? [\quote] I think those are good questions for the following thread ... http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts11735433.aspxPresident Obama has house meetings all across this country, I think you have a good question, no one in this country who wants an education and is willing to do the work should end up in debt, I think education should be a right as long as a student is willing to put the time and effort into it. | |
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Posted: 2/9/2009 4:53:02 PM |
Ya ... those were awful years ... those Clinton years well , we'll just have to disagree, Reagan and both Bush's ~ killed me. That represents a big chuck of my life. ~ and there not one thing that you might ever say to me to change my perspective on this matter. I have been nothing but bleed down during all three's tenure. In fact, the middle class is still reeling from Reagan reign.
I have an offer for you ... but seeings that your a skilled tradesman/owner and also have a graduate degree ... I can't imagine that you'd be interested in taking little ole' me up on it, but here goes ... 
While I don't have much, I'd be glad to offer you a generous amount of space in my house. I do live in Florida and it can get somewhat "hot" down here so just consider yourself appropriately warned ...   
I'm just a "plain Jane" nurse trying to eek out a living here with no debt (except the house of course) and my TLC that I offer my patients. Now mind you (dear) it's not much, but if the going gets rough ... I can make room for you here.
I must warn you ... I'm a good cook and love to sing and dance ... so those are things you'd just have to put up with.
One thing I just can't stand ... is if a fellow POF'er might run into hard times. We have to stick together on here and just get through this ... eh?
Lass ... I do think you had good questions and it does peeve me too that those of us who endeavored to not overspend and actually sacrifice so we don't owe our souls ... just have to suck it up while those who lived "high on the hog" are gonna get out of paying it back. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/9/2009 7:28:21 PM |
One thing I just can't stand ... is if a fellow POF'er might run into hard times. We have to stick together on here and just get through this ... eh
That's it! What you ladies need to do is just come, sit in front of computer write as much as possible on this threads, and the "personal relationships" are right here just because you post on these threads. This is related with the Coca Cola "syndrom"- a brilliant way how to create an "iconic" image of some soft drink by media manipulation by the way of if affecting certain parts of brain, even the right one.
AS to stimulus package: I do not have lots of detailed info about it since don't watch lots of TV, but : taking the money of taxpayers and giving unsecured debt to the largest corporations which faced a problem doesn't make any sense. Example - even though all most businesses face problems but nothing is making and will make BMW, Benz, Toyota to close their factories. However, GM would if no debt is provided. Well, let it go and file for Chapter 13 and learn the hard way. Nobody was forcing them to produce cars in alliance with Oil magnets to burn as much oil as possible and be in so many lawsuits for poor security. It was Ralph Nader who initiated all these lawsuits against GM since what they have been doing is just looking to have as much profit as possible in the short run and with greed. What BMW has done is trying to build the cars which are of superior quality and they will sell even during recessions. Also, they do not have lots of lawsuits which means they are more customer-oriented company. Also, comparison between AIG and Allianz (biggest financial company in the world, based in Germany). How come Allianz doesn't have the problems of closing its doors? Yes, its sales went down but it will never close its doors, but AIG would if no stimulus is provided. I mean I am in business and very thrifty spender. I have been thrifty spender all the time no matter it is depression or economy is doing well. Smart shoppers still need to shop during depression or recession, however instead since they are looking for better ways to spend their money, they think twice, do research before doing it. So, this is why superior quality products and services do not get affected a lot during recession, however the overly advertised false images like Hammer will get affected. OK, then let them suffer, I mean these businesses, WHY TO BABYSIT THEM. LET THEM LEARN THE HARD WAY. | |
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Posted: 2/9/2009 7:31:22 PM | # 86, and #87:
I think you two would make a cute couple.
(#88 - are you jealous?)
   
Texas might miss D Card a little much, but we’d adjust.
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I'm already gone, too. And I won't be that affected whichever way the stimulus package goes.
I know how to make the most of any economic environment, and the smart ones will come out on top, as always.
It’s just like Pelosi says: “I won. It’s going to be MY way now.” Obama did win the Presidential election. So, I. for one, am willing to stand back and let the Dem’s have their chance. The people have spoken, and that’s how it works in a Democracy.
TIME will be the best judge of the Stimulus Package. | |
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Posted: 2/9/2009 8:23:16 PM |
I won't be that affected whichever way the stimulus package goes. Likewise here. The company I'm presently working for has not been assigning me any visits, but census is low right now and I have been taking a class, so I'm glad for the break so I can study. I do not live from pay check to pay check and have myself covered.
When the class is over (02/17/09), I'll be able to go out on visits that involve I.V.'s and do blood draws, so the company I work for will have more use for my services. If not, I'm a nurse. I will find work. It won't necessarily be work that offers me medical benefits, but I will find work in the nursing field.
I know how to make the most of any economic environment, and the smart ones will come out on top, as always. The standby plan is to work for some other company for a lot less money for 40 hours per week, qualify for medical benefits, and do my nursing on the side ... to maintain my skills until this crunch passes.
There are many nursing jobs I could do, but my skills are in certain areas and not all nursing facilities will find they can use a nurse ... based on prior experience (skills).
I'm hopeful for what the stimulus package will do for the economy, but do not see much opportunity for my particular trade/skills.
I do know how to do construction work (designed and help build a house in Germany about 30 years ago) ... and do not have a lack of energy or endurance even now. So you may just see me wearing a hard hat one of these days. | |
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Posted: 2/9/2009 8:37:22 PM | I have great need some nursing at the moment, ~ I'm in the 8th day of this crud that's going around!
and of all places , I got it when I took mother to church two Sundays ago.
A bunch of hand shakers, ~ and ofcourse ~ I'm headed out the door for a smoke. ~
They got me! virus transfer!
Obama has and is trying very hard to make this Bill a bi-partisan effort.
I feel that the GOP will shot themself's in the foot if they continue to stonewall.
To date , seems that's what they been best at, ~ The time is ticking, our houses are on fire and the Fire department in playing the last few hands of 42, trying to decide what to wear as the fire bell rings off the wall.
Senate Judiciary Committee, Senator , Patrick Leary leads up, priorities for 111 Congress, speaks; if the people have the stomach to take on the Bush Administation for unlawful conduct, with respect to the firings inside the AG's office. ~
This hearing ~ and hearing like this ~ is what the GOP truly attempts rally against. I believe the fall-out will be wide spread. ~ But this is a separate issue ~ but it's really not.
This is what a happens when everythings not on the table for "all" to see! ~ They have things to hide and It's much bigger then a blow job.
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Posted: 2/10/2009 4:00:09 AM | What is this now? How will I be personally affected by this stimulus package? OK, I'll play.
Living in Washington, DC area and working for government contractor, I expect to do really well. The stimulus will transfer more money from the people to the government, which means that my local areas will keep getting richer, like they have been for a while, so the recession will not touch me.
In fact, the company I work for expects a lot more business. Sure, as the government takes over, the waste and mismanagement of government decisions that I deal with on regular basis will get more severe. I will be a little frustrated with doing my work and having things fail due to the way they are mismanaged. And, I would feel a little guilty that I am doing well while the rest of the country is sinking into depression, and that I am part of the organization that is doing it. But, I'll learn not to care. I'll get over it. I might be on a sinking ship, but I am on a top deck of it, so as thing around the country come to ruin, I'll be one of the last to suffer. Good times! | |
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Posted: 2/10/2009 4:29:16 AM | It really surprises me how the Fair Tax is being ignored in this forum, even by my fellow conservatives.
If you want to see how Obamas plan, stacks up to the fairtax plan, go here and see it point by point:
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=obama_talkingpoints
Everyday that passes, more and more people are joining the fair tax movement because it makes sense. The second post in this forum, was right on, in what he said. If all would read the fair tax website, They would see that all those points are covered.
No tax system is perfect as we all know. But the fairtax is better than anything, I have seen offered so far. | |
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Posted: 2/10/2009 6:30:15 AM | I'm hopeful for what the stimulus package will do for the economy, but do not see much opportunity for my particular trade/skills.
But being in the medical profession, you must know that there is some preparation for Universal Health Care involved in the bill. How do you think that would affect you? You could have a LOT more work to do, depending on your primary field of nursing. Or less, if you are involved in elder care.
I feel that the GOP will shot themself's in the foot if they continue to stonewall.
DanceCard, the GOP is voting against the bill because that is what their constituacy is urging them to do. Repbulican NO votes will likely only be symbolic, as they don't have the voting power to block the bill by themselves. Any GOP Congressman who votes for the bill will endanger his reputation within his own party. Some already are. So, that is why they are doing what they are doing.
Everyday that passes, more and more people are joining the fair tax movement because it makes sense.
Yeah -- ME for one! I have always been for a graduated taxing system, as I feel it is fairer in a free-market capitalist society. I felt that those below the poverty line, and young families really needed the tax breaks (and even cash gifts of child credits). But with the new types of government assistance middle class people will be getting, I do think they should be able to kick in their share now.
As an investor, I win some, lose some. I make a lot of money (am taxed on it) and never actually see it. It stays in my growing investment account, then some of it gets lost. However, I have been tithing about 30% of my total investment profits. I wouldn't get a tax break on that, but I plan to cut back to 10% anyway. And that would ALL start going to help poor outside the US, as Obama has promised to provide for the poor now.
I really don't think a flat tax will pass -- as Obama has already promised to increase the taxes of the rich, and upper middle class.
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Posted: 2/10/2009 6:39:21 AM | This stimulus will not work because it full of special interest pork projects and fear if it stimulus passes in two years time were gonna have to deal with inflationary pressures. Economics are acamdemics and there is reality. Reality is goverment will give money to the local goverments the local will abuse the tax payer again ask for more later in higher taxes. Fillbuster this stimulus at all costs because the price tag is too high and its full of funding for bike trails, tax breaks for hollywood movie production, funding of studies on how video games intellegence.
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Posted: 2/10/2009 6:46:04 AM | Message 95 ...
Fillbuster this stimulus at all costs because the price tag is too high and its full of funding for bike trails, tax breaks for hollywood movie production, funding of studies on how video games intellegence.
Taxpayer is getting ripped off If you're going to post statements like that, how about if you show us. Please at least offer us a link to go see it. | |
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Posted: 2/10/2009 6:57:18 AM |
This stimulus will not work because it full of special interest pork projects
I agree with you that it will not work, and that it will probably produce many other unintended consequences, also. But, as I said earlier, the people have spoken, the Democrats won. And the Dems deserve to see the effects of this type of government on our society for themselves. | |
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Posted: 2/10/2009 7:02:35 AM | I will post statements like this because the taxpayer is getting ripped off-
$150 million for the Smithsonian
$34 million to renovate the Department of Commerce headquarters
$500 million for improvement projects for National Institutes of Health facilities
$44 million for repairs to Department of Agriculture headquarters
$350 million for Agriculture Department computers
$88 million to help move the Public Health Service into a new building
$448 million for constructing a new Homeland Security Department headquarters
$600 million to convert the federal auto fleet to hybrids
$450 million for NASA (carve-out for “climate-research missions”)
$600 million for NOAA (carve-out for “climate modeling”)
$1 billion for the Census Bureau
this is public goods that dont benefit anybody except narrow lobby groups.
$4.5 billion for U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
$850 million for Amtrak
$87 million for a polar icebreaking ship
$1.7 billion for the National Park System
$55 million for Historic Preservation Fund
$7.6 billion for “rural community advancement programs”
$150 million for agricultural-commodity purchases
$150 million for “producers of livestock, honeybees, and farm-raised fish”
this is does help the carpenter laid off from the job or help open up credit to business that needs loans to expand.
This list is goverment pork earmarks | |
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Posted: 2/10/2009 7:39:53 AM | Message 98 ...
I will post statements like this because the taxpayer is getting ripped off- You can post all the lists you want ... even go ahead and post that the moon is made of green cheese if you want. But if you can't show us where you are getting that information, it's useless.
We want to see for ourselves where you are getting that information ... we want to read it for ourselves.
BTW ... in Message 95 ... you originally posted something like ...
... funding for bike trails, tax breaks for hollywood movie production, funding of studies on how video games intellegence. In your new list, I don't see any mention of that.
So are you just pulling this stuff out of your head?
It's not difficult to copy a link from your browser and paste it into one of your posts. That way we can see where you got all that wonderful information ... share your source!!!
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Posted: 2/10/2009 9:33:06 AM | Actually a lot of that stuff got cut, but when you look at it, you have to wonder exactly how much of it (if any) would stimulate the economy long term in any way shape or form. There is plenty more crap in this bill, and more needs to go--but after the first meeting this (according to CNN--I figure about as unbiased as the left will allow as a source) stuff was cut.
But by looking at it, you can truly see this was a lot of politicis trying to use a meltdown of the econmoy as a way to weasel some pet projects into a bill.
CNN obtained, from a Democratic leadership aide, a list of some programs that have been cut, either entirely or partially:
Partially cut:
• $3.5 billion for energy-efficient federal buildings (original bill $7 billion)
• $75 million from Smithsonian (original bill $150 million)
• $200 million from Environmental Protection Agency Superfund (original bill $800 million)
• $100 million from National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (original bill $427 million)
• $100 million from law enforcement wireless (original bill $200 million)
• $300 million from federal fleet of hybrid vehicles (original bill $600 million)
• $100 million from FBI construction (original bill $400 million)
Fully eliminated
• $55 million for historic preservation
• $122 million for Coast Guard polar icebreaker/cutters
• $100 million for Farm Service Agency modernization
• $50 million for Cooperative State Research, Education and Extension Service
• $65 million for watershed rehabilitation
• $100 million for distance learning
• $98 million for school nutrition
• $50 million for aquaculture
• $2 billion for broadband
• $100 million for National Institute of Standards and Technology
• $50 million for detention trustee
• $25 million for Marshalls Construction
• $300 million for federal prisons
• $300 million for BYRNE Formula grant program
• $140 million for BYRNE Competitive grant program
• $10 million state and local law enforcement
• $50 million for NASA
• $50 million for aeronautics
• $50 million for exploration
• $50 million for Cross Agency Support
• $200 million for National Science Foundation
• $100 million for science
• $1 billion for Energy Loan Guarantees
• $4.5 billion for General Services Administration
• $89 million General Services Administration operations
• $50 million from Department of Homeland Security
• $200 million Transportation Security Administration
• $122 million for Coast Guard Cutters, modifies use
• $25 million for Fish and Wildlife
• $55 million for historic preservation
• $20 million for working capital fund
• $165 million for Forest Service capital improvement
• $90 million for State and Private Wildlife Fire Management
• $1 billion for Head Start/Early Start
• $5.8 billion for Health Prevention Activity
• $2 billion for Health Information Technology Grants
• $600 million for Title I (No Child Left Behind)
• $16 billion for school construction
• $3.5 billion for higher education construction
• $1.25 billion for project based rental
• $2.25 billion for Neighborhood Stabilization
• $1.2 billion for retrofitting Project 8 housing
If we are in such an economic meltdown, why were all of these things in this "package"? Very little of it deals with the problem supposedly at hand. Why can't our government represent us and take care of matters that are truly important instead of trying to sneak things in they would never get through otherwise. If we get the economy back in order--then we worry about some of this sillyness.
AND FINALLY:
As a retort to the comment that Clinton had the brightest minds working in his administration---I will again point to the fact Clinton's presidency was helped immensely by this little thing called the internet explosion, he (and his bright administration) had very little to do with it. And as far as those same people working on this economic stimulus package. THey didn't--according to Obama--it met him at the door. So that means it was the democratic majority of the 2006 house and congress--if what he says is true. Brilliant minds? Hardly. | |
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