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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/10/2009 9:46:30 AM | So instead of helping the unemployed get jobs at the Smithsonian,
working on projects that improve buildings,
programming computers,
move offices into more efficient buildings,
build and maintain cars, do climate research,
count how many people there are,work on roads,
dams, bridges and clean up the national parks,
build ships, railroads,
preserve historical sights,
grow food, and the myriad of other jobs proposed,
it's just so much easier to let them remain unemployed and unemployable so they can call them lazy mooching leeches which takes no forethought or intelligence at all. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/10/2009 10:21:55 AM |
This list is government pork earmarks
"your list"
There's items are not ear marked ~ and they are not pork
but if you think so ~ so be it ~ think what you wish.
I hate that we've reached this point, I really do
and as far as tax payer getting screwed ~ have you just figured that out?
you'd prefer America spending more money in IraQ and Afganistan?
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/10/2009 10:33:06 AM |
And as far as those same people working on this economic stimulus package. THey didn't--according to Obama--it met him at the door. Oh dear ... does someone need to put on their "listening" ears?
I'm fairly certain the "IT" that met OBAMA at the door ... was the "ECONOMIC CRISIS".
Who he has working on it ... I don't know. I'm sure it's a work in progress ... as well it should be. I see this stimulus package as somewhat of a band aid that will hopefully stop the bleeding for a while ... perhaps long enough for us to recover enough so that when we remove the band aid, we won't find a horrible festering infection that can just no longer be treated topically or locally.
Hopefully it will not have come to a systemic infection. That would definitely cause the destruction of the US as we have known it most of our lives.
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/10/2009 3:22:46 PM | Thanks Guy's and Gal's, I got it! ~ for most of us know the origin, conception and working model was US military in nature. Gore assisted in the implication of civil development.
Well, I'd not wish to steal his thunder. ~ McCain the war hero being a wider gap to span.
As far as this spending package ~ being considered, Hey! Obama told us what he planed to do and why before he won the position.
This shouldn't be any surprise or news to anyone. ~ There no time to let the "Trinkle Down" effect come into play. ~~ Obama's plans is to jump start the middle by pouring Federal money into projects that "needs" to be done anyway.
where it will work or not ~ I say it could , but it's up to "US" and we have many among us that would rather cut off their nose , just to spite their face, harboring self defeating attitudes.
I can remember Ross Perot campaign and his pie charts ( he liked pie charts) ~ explaining the national debit, I remember thinking, ~ Man! this don't look good at all! We are in a tight spot!
Ross was the one that warned us about NAFTA as well! ~ Saying , you are going to hear this big sucking sound ~~ as jobs will be sucked abroad. ~
Along can Bill Clinton, ~ pushed NAFTA through ~ and erased the National Debit. ~
Why? How? did that happen? ~ we worked our way out of debit.
and as far as NAFTA, ~ I can't help but think leadership that came later allowed Nafta to turn into something it was never intended to be. ~ It seems as if it's been turned into an International Suck Up Tool, for Administrations that eyes were never focused on issues here at home, but had global ambitions and global friends to woo!
We can work our way out of the "tight spot" again, but we need government to stay focused on backyard issues, and met the rest of the world only half way. If they want freedom and liberty , they need to fight for it ~ the way the rest of the world got their freedom. ~ The world is full of bad men! It's not our job to chase down everyone of them. ~ We got our own bad men, and they wear white hats!
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/10/2009 3:46:10 PM |
Along can Bill Clinton, ~ pushed NAFTA through ~ and erased the National Debit. ~
Why? How? did that happen? ~ we worked our way out of debit.
Clinton cut unemployment to about 4%. By adding millions of jobs, he added the number of people that actually pay taxes without access to the loopholes. I don't think NAFTA had as much to do with his surplus but I could be wrong. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/10/2009 6:38:20 PM | It's funny how people think this stimulus package is going to create jobs when each month we lose hundreds of thousands of jobs and we're roughly at 11 million unemployed. Internationalists, globalists and elites own our govt. They're looting this country! Then again, it's planned that way and only by collapsing this economy and tossing people peanuts of hopes can they pull off such a hoax on people who can't tell the difference. Meet the new boss - same as the old boss.
The only sign of thinking life in this country are the states who are banning together to save their sovereignty.
http://www.breakthematrix.com/node/33182
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=88218 | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/10/2009 6:48:30 PM | Clinton did not erase the national debt. He balanced the budget and left us with a surplus, but he never erased the debt.
This is true, the debt level Regan and Bush the elder left would be practically impossible to pay off in an 8 year period.
It's funny how people think this stimulus package is going to create jobs when each month we lose hundreds of thousands of jobs and we're roughly at 11 million unemployed. Internationalists, globalists and elites own our govt. They're looting this country!
Wait a minute are you using pre stimulus package job losses as evidence that the stimulus package doesn't work? | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/10/2009 7:10:19 PM |
Clinton did not erase the national debt. He balanced the budget and left us with a surplus, but he never erased the debt.
Let's not overstate the case. Economy depends a lot more on Congress than on president, since they are the one that control how money is spent. Clinton's first couple years were OK economically, but the economy really took off once Democrats lost Congress. And, while a lot of that growth was real, a lot of it was borrowed too. We were inflating the bubble by growing at unsustainable rate. Effectively we were using the growth that should have been spread over several decades all in one decade, leaving none for this decade. It was time of "irrational exuberance", when people actually bought the theory that this time it is different and we can escape economic principles. They were wrong.
You might also notice what happened in Congress in 2006, which is when the post-9/11 economic recovery run out of steam and we started heading downhill fast.
I am not saying that Republicans acted well during that time. They didn't, especially in Bush's second term. So, they are not entirely blameless for this. But, let's not lay the economic gains and losses on those who don't deserve it. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/10/2009 7:48:38 PM |
Wait a minute are you using pre stimulus package job losses as evidence that the stimulus package doesn't work?
Would you like me to start counting from today then? I'm saying it may only be a temporary fix for what is inevitable - I question whether it'll make a difference at all. How's this wall street bailout working?
... if we don't pass this we'll have dire consequences. The song remains the same and the path they're leading us on is not a good one. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/10/2009 8:04:05 PM | There was a line that President Obama used last night that really struck me, and scared the hell out of me. It was something along the lines of "we must do this now to save the futures of our children and our grand children."
Basically, why this strike me is because it is the same thing that has been going on for the past x number of years. The current generation of people in power continue to mortgage and gamble with the future of our children and grandchildren so that they can have what they want today.
The entire natioaal debt is currently at about $10.721,993,465,915.77, which comes out to be about $35,082.21 for every man, woman, and child living in the US today. And we are going to borrow another $900,000,000,000 for a quick fix totryand stimulate the economy? Seriously? It's like continuing to pay one credit card off by using another credit card. And this is for the good of the futures of our children and grandchildren? How does guaranteeing that our children and grandchildren will have no money do any good for their future?
Come here, little child. I want to take this knife and cut out a huge portion of your abdomen. But don't worry, it's for the good of your future. What's that? Your bleeding all over the place? Your hemorrhaging? Don't worry, good of your future. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/10/2009 8:11:22 PM | I haven't seen someone do a hard sale quite as strongly since the last time I visited a used car dealer. "Buy now! Don't wait! Quickly! Don't bother checking what it is you are buying, take my word for it! It is all good! It is all necessary! You must buy this minute, or else you are going to miss out!".
There must be some lefties out there with still functioning BS detectors, right? Do they honestly expect the public to buy this pig in a poke? | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/10/2009 8:16:30 PM | Steve King, US House, is explaining it now.
He knows what work and what doesn't
I wonder where he's been with all this wisdom!
He's been hiding it well , it seems.
He states it was worst in the 80's then now. ~
He must have been shoveling cow manure Ohio!
I thought the GOP was proud of their 80's and Ronnie Rayguns.
I wish they'd make up their mind ~ they can't have it both ways.
He wanting kill capital gains tax for 2 years, ~ and let this "SMART" money
do it's work!
Sounds like a plan! I'm sure God and country will be the first thing on their mind when the get ready to spend their gain.
Where does the GOP get these people?
now he getting far a field and wanting tax reform which ofcoarse is greatly needed, but off topic and not germane ~
"you can't help the poor by punishing the rich" ~~ and exactly what punishment was that? ~~ The more money I make, the more I'm punished, I never liked it either. Is that the punishment he speaks of?
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You might also notice what happened in Congress in 2006, which is when the post-9/11 economic recovery run out of steam and we started heading downhill fast.
with all respect, government was out of control at that point. To many special interest groups had infilterated the system. ~ The Administration's started loosing it grip and influence and ability to cover up and hide. ~ The American Telban !
Now Congressman King praises 43 and the surge ~~
and a far a oweing money ~ sometimes, that the only control you might have over someone
That's why , I hate to loan money out ~ the person that owes ~ has more control then the lender.
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/10/2009 8:23:09 PM | The entire natioaal debt is currently at about $10.721,993,465,915.77, which comes out to be about $35,082.21 for every man, woman, and child living in the US today. And we are going to borrow another $900,000,000,000 for a quick fix totryand stimulate the economy? Seriously? It's like continuing to pay one credit card off by using another credit card. And this is for the good of the futures of our children and grandchildren? How does guaranteeing that our children and grandchildren will have no money do any good for their future?
This is how you enslave the people. I've not rationalized robbing the poor to pay the wealthy, nor have I rationalized how we can get out of debt by getting further in debt.
Come to think of it I recall Obama saying "those jobs aren't coming back". Well they're not, but there will be plenty more jobs in the govt, military and law enforcement. Where is this heading??? Green jobs that won't make a dent.. Doesn't this have anyone wondering?
Obama is only a pawn to the internationalists and elites that have taken control of our govt. It's not a matter of waking up in time to realize this. It was planned this way. No accident - history tell us so.
As long as people stay politically divided and keep cheering the teams on, nothing is going to change. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/10/2009 8:39:51 PM |
He states it was worst in the 80's then now. ~
Mr Card, I can't parse most of your sentences, but what I suspect is that Steve King is talking about is 1982 recession. The country was coming out of the steep dive during the Carter years and it didn't turn around right away. It took several years for Reagan's policies to have an effect that reversed the decline. Republicans lost seats in Congress during the 1982 election.
Carter and FDR are two presidents most similar to Obama, so those who are trying to anticipate the effect that Obama's presidency will have are using them as a natural comparison point. That's why Carter's malaise and FDR's Great Depression are brought out so often. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/10/2009 8:49:51 PM | well...
the new york times has done TWO articles now detailing that this is NOT "the worst economy since the depression." actually, the worst economy since the depression occurred in 1982-83. the housing market alone was devalued 30% less then it is today.
what was done in 1982-83?
nothing.
what should be done now?
i don't know, how about NOT spending a trillion plus dollars to create a 3 to 4 million jobs? i think the private sector can create far more jobs for far LESS money.
this is a gross out of control spending bill and nothing more.
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/10/2009 9:23:08 PM | didn't he do something good?
well, let's see, he signed NAFTA (repube-lican legislation), and welfare reform (more repube-lican legislation), he gave way super computer tech to china, gave china most favored nation status, mis-managed the transition of russia from a communist economy to a free market one (ala, jeffrey "shock therapy" sachs, via george soros), allowed the chinese to gain control of the panama canal via a company owned by the chinese military called hutchinson wam poa, and he also got a hummer in the oval office...
well, here is a link to the complete house version of the bill...read it and weep darlings...
http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/hr1_engrossed.pdf
because when you take money out of the private sector and put it into the public sector what you are creating is more liabilities debt-wise...which is NOT what one wants to do to stimulate the economy...i.e., job "creation." it's simply an artificial bloating of government. and on top of that he wants to institute national health care? with what? what money? how?
this guy is hell bent on bankrupting the country. period. and while evey one is busy bickering about the stimulus bill there is radical gun control legislation coming down the pike in the house right now...
hopey changey! liberal facism with a smiley face indeed! the hope and change slogan worked well for hitler, lenin, and castro too...
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/10/2009 10:30:19 PM | Let's not overstate the case. Economy depends a lot more on Congress than on president, since they are the one that control how money is spent
You are dead on (for that part of your post), Yevengy -- I wish more people could understand that important truth.
Wait a minute are you using pre stimulus package job losses as evidence that the stimulus package doesn't work?
I don't know how many of you watched Obama's speech last night, but there is one thing that he said that I also definately agree with; "The economy has been on a downward tailspin for the LAST 3 WEEKS." (Get it -- last 3 weeks!)
I watched him because I was Forex (currency) trading last night (nekkid short-selling, no doubt). I could tell by Forex charts that the US stock market was dropping like a rock as he spoke. Sure enough, the sell orders placed last night made the market open lower, and drop another 287 points this am. Closed down 277. Take the hint.
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/11/2009 1:42:24 AM | You are dead on (for that part of your post), Yevengy -- I wish more people could understand that important truth.
Yawn, we've seen this argument before.
1. Republican president and Republican Congressand the economy is good, the both get credit.
2. Democratic President in power, Republican Congress gets credit.
3. Democratic congress and Republican president and the economy is good? President gets sole credit.
4. Democratic president and Democrate Congress and the economy is good? Pretend it didn't happen.
5. Economy is bad? It's somehow the Democrats fault, no matter who is in power or what conditions.
hopey changey! liberal facism with a smiley face indeed! the hope and change slogan worked well for hitler, lenin, and castro too...
I don't know what is more amusing, the idea of equating liberalism (which is based on individual liberties and equality before the law) to fascism (in which all these things are subsumed) communism (which cares little for liberty) or the idea that somehow Hitler belongs in the same list as Castro.
I mean seriously rediculous argument. OMG somebody said something about hope? He must be as bad as hitler! No hope! The path to the future is paved in sorrow and missery! Vote Republican 2010!
I don't know how many of you watched Obama's speech last night, but there is one thing that he said that I also definately agree with; "The economy has been on a downward tailspin for the LAST 3 WEEKS." (Get it -- last 3 weeks!)
I get that the economic numbers were one of the reasons Obama won in the first place, remember McCain was the one making statements about the health of the economy, even when it was obvious that he was lying. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/11/2009 2:06:19 AM |
allowed the chinese to gain control of the panama canal via a company owned by the chinese military called hutchinson wam poa
Six of one, half dozen of the other...should it instead go to Bush/Reagan cronies like Bakker or Schultz in Bechtel following the illegal invasion from Bush Sr. and the reneged Canal Negotiation Treaties that saw the Panamanians cheated out of the rights to their own land, which was stolen by America to begin with in the most blatant bit of land theft of the 20th Century? At least Teddy Roosevelt had the honesty to admit that he was no better than a common thief.
hopey changey! liberal facism with a smiley face indeed! the hope and change slogan worked well for hitler, lenin, and castro too...
Gotta second charlesedm's remarks... this sort've thing is shrill Fox-blather. Deliberate obtuse ignorance of history, selective redefinition of words into "repugnican" speak... bearing no resemblance to reality however and no regular dictionary.
Considering what regimes preceded the three dictators mentioned it's little wonder that messages of hope and change worked well... so perhaps the poster feels comfortable in also painting the Bush/Cheney gov't in the role of the brutal Czarists, corrupt mobster paid-off Batista, or perhaps the equally corrupt Allies who grew fat on the misery of the bankrupt and starving German people post Versailles.
Cast in the light of the signal worst presidency in the history of the USA, it is little wonder that Obama won on a message of Hope and Change. Frankly only the most painfully obtuse or head-in-sand could argue otherwise...but I am sure we'll hear some feeble rebuttal...can't wait | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/11/2009 2:43:29 AM |
I don't know how many of you watched Obama's speech last night, but there is one thing that he said that I also definately agree with; "The economy has been on a downward tailspin for the LAST 3 WEEKS." (Get it -- last 3 weeks!)
Our economy has been in a downward slide for years not just the last three weeks, lets at least try to be honest
Traders, stock brokers, years back I thought about getting involved as a on line broker, so for months I studied the way the market works and finally walked away realizing that there was not much rhyme or reason for the fluctuation in many stocks my conclusion was that the traders and brokers manipulated the stocks by buying and selling and having the knowledge of when these transactions would happen. I think the stock market needs to be closely looked at and regulations should be put in place to ensure the end of insider trading, some stock should be controlled to limit the impact of speculators so that we do not find ourselves paying absorbent prices for life essential needs like oil, food, clothing and health care . | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 2/11/2009 7:01:14 AM |
Our economy has been in a downward slide for years not just the last three weeks, lets at least try to be honest
Amen! ~ the way I see it too! regardless what's happening on wall street, being just a big illusion board.
Traders, stock brokers, years back I thought about getting involved as a on line broker, so for months I studied the way the market works and finally walked away realizing that there was not much rhyme or reason for the fluctuation in many stocks my conclusion was that the traders and brokers manipulated the stocks by buying and selling and having the knowledge of when these transactions would happen.
I even watched currency trading for about a year, real close ~ day& night ~ I'll settle for Vagas Black Jack odds. There just to much unknown and too many ways for it to be manipulated.
Yea Fly, ~ a current nose dive on the big board is not surprising at all. I have my thumb on a main vein, I haven't felt a pulse in 3 weeks.
Our Country depends heavily on Federal spending, everyone hides in their houses and waits to see what going to happen on Capital Hill. ~ Oil & gas interest are shutting down across the nation, as drilling and capping come to and end. Support craft are coming in and tieing off as no contracts are being let out and the Gulf gets so rough in Feburary and March.
Once all this shuts down ~ It'll take a lot to get it started back up again.
There is a sense of urgency that eludes many I fear.
It's as if the GOP wishes to show us they are not dead and still has some control, even if it's self defeating. Their arguments continue to swallow camels and gagg on nats, as we sink ever deeper.
All the pontificating, I've never heard! ~ One Senator last night suggested to suspend capital gains taxes for two years would be a good answer.
One of the very reason for Capital gains tax is to encourage reinvestment. ~ and then above and beyond that, this perceived stimulus fails to address the middle but more the top. GOP thinking at it finest!
They, like McCain, just don't get it! They have too much for too long, no longer mindful
for the lasting effects of their decisions in spite them claiming they are.
This Senator went on to say, "Punishing the wealthy will not help the poor" ~
I was not aware they were being punished. ~ anymore then I , for their success.
and if the taxes are not fair ~ change them, but this bill, ask no more of them then passed years.
By the time this is over, all will be affected. ~ Now's a good time to invest in home security, a nice little 20 gage pump shotgun for the little woman, S&W , 2" barrel 357 for heavy work and few 9mm auto loaders. and a bunch of ammo. ~ I see a time where you can have what your mean enough to keep. ~
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