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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/17/2009 4:38:13 AM |
I really don't think either one was directly all "about" stock portfolios. However, that does bring up a good point. If Mr. Reagan's made for stronger organizations that would sustain themselves (ie: what a good stock investment is supposed to be all about) and Obama's isn't, then the current plan will never develop a environment of sustainability for those jobs to ever be able then to wean themselves off of government dependence, like Mr. Reagan's program did. This then only invites the same amount to be spent over and over again without natural economy supply and demand taking over to control the reigns for useful products and services. The only way then to wean the workers in this case would then be to "un-create" the jobs again at a later date. In other words, it wouldn't be mitigating the unemployment really, but rather would only just defer it. It's the difference between giving a fish and teaching and allowing for one to fish on their own.
Supply and demand share the stage with spending which is dependent on money which is dependent on jobs, the infrastructure work is a stop gap measure to provide employment while the country gears up to let new technology replace some of the jobs being lost.
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/17/2009 4:00:20 PM | The government routinely spends billions on pork, and it didn't prevent the mess we're in. I don't understand why they think that throwing good money after bad is a good idea. A few reasons why (feel free to add to the list): 1. Because they can. 2. Because it's YOUR money. 3. Because no one will do a damn thing about it. 4. Because this administration is only a continuation of the last administration. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/17/2009 4:28:45 PM | Even if small businesses create half of the jobs not allowing babysitting corporations so that they can maintain PATHETIC $10 an hour jobs in Walmart and making us- hard working taxpayer to finance for GM's employees who don't work and are in reserve along with lazy union workers who get $8000 a month by most of the time doing nothing makes no sense.
Government is not inclined to solve the problem the bast way, but inclined not to let problems for them to happen.
The same way with bigger corporations. When I was working there, whenever someone was complaining, they were not going to solve the problem, but masking it so that he or she won't complain - it's different.
Even if one compares how houses are built: those which are built by big construction corporations are the ones with worts quality. Those built by self-employed General Contractors who mainly work on referrals are the ones with best quality.
Everyone was talking how nasty big corporations are, and now everyone is spending their taxpayer money to "save" them. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/17/2009 8:02:46 PM |
Even if small businesses create half of the jobs not allowing babysitting corporations so that they can maintain PATHETIC $10 an hour jobs in Walmart and making us- hard working taxpayer to finance for GM's employees who don't work and are in reserve along with lazy union workers who get $8000 a month by most of the time doing nothing makes no sense.
Are you implying that all or most of those who are union members are lazy? Do you put any responsibility on management for worker productivity?
Government is not inclined to solve the problem the bast way, but inclined not to let problems for them to happen.
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The same way with bigger corporations. When I was working there, whenever someone was complaining, they were not going to solve the problem, but masking it so that he or she won't complain - it's different.
Where is there?
Even if one compares how houses are built: those which are built by big construction corporations are the ones with worts quality. Those built by self-employed General Contractors who mainly work on referrals are the ones with best quality.
We have building codes if a home does not meet the code it can not be sold, you do a lot of generalizing, where is your supportive evidence?
Everyone was talking how nasty big corporations are, and now everyone is spending their taxpayer money to "save" them
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/18/2009 12:03:56 PM | "small business do create about 80% of employment."
meaning changed by dropping words from the statistic. Small business has been exanding while large business contracts. Therefore more new jobs (not more employees hired) are created in small business right now. This can also be a fun with statistics ... especially since it is SBA biased. Each new business that opens has at least 1 new employee - 2 if it is a partnership. Now, what isn't included is how many small businesses close their doors within the first 3 years... and how many others close after that ... how many 'jobs' are lost in a given year.
When large business hires employees after a layoff or in any expansion after a contraction it doesn't necessarily count as a 'new' job. I'm not quite sure what the 21% did to get their new hires counted as 'new' jobs created vs filling an existing job. However, since jobs are not 'created' the same way in each, then the comparason is a misleading comparason.
Why is small business expanding? Because when you can't find a job and you run out of unemployment insurance you do the only thing left... you start your own business. Doesn't necessarily make money, but it does count. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/18/2009 12:50:45 PM |
The government routinely spends billions on pork, and it didn't prevent the mess we're in. I don't understand why they think that throwing good money after bad is a good idea. A few reasons why (feel free to add to the list): 1. Because they can. 2. Because it's YOUR money. 3. Because no one will do a damn thing about it. 4. Because this administration is only a continuation of the last administration. Because the primary thing they're interested in is expanding the dem voting block for future elections.
4. Because this administration is only a continuation of the last administration. I'll agree with you on that one ... but only to the extent that this administration is stuck holding the responsibility of cleaning up the mess the last administration left them. So yes, this administration IS a continuation of the last administration. They have no choice do they?
Because the primary thing they're interested in is expanding the dem voting block for future elections. LMAO ... as if no Repugnican is going to benefit from anything in the stimulus package?
Oh wait ... I get it now!!!!! The remark made insinuates that the current administration is only sponsoring the stimulus package in order to BUY Repugnican votes? Huh!!! From what I can tell, in my neighborhood, they are the ones who need to be bailed out.
They are the ones who live from pay check to pay check ... haven't put one dime aside for when the going gets rough. But while I was meekly sitting at home at night entertaining myself with my TV and cross stitch work ... they were out partying hardy. Living high on the hog ... the sky is the limit sh!t.
Yes siree Bob ... you could hear them all over the neighborhood with the drinking parties. Then there's the money they pour into their vehicles ... jacked up wheels, souped up trucks and cars that they cruise the neighborhoods with ... BA-BOOM, BA-BOOM through the neighborhood all hours of the day and night. I know that sh!t doesn't cost much ... right?
They always have money for that, but the house payment? Now that's a different thing. They only make the house payment if there's any money left over after they party hardy and get those vehicles as high off the street as they can and as loud as they can. If you're not blessed with any of that crap going on in your neighborhood ... then you just have no idea what you're missing.
Nah ... if the Repugnican party loses any members, that would be directly related to the fact that there are a lot of WHITE racists, gun-toting, rebel-flag-flying, crude, loud, rude, Redneck, Hill Billy, Bubba's ... who are not going to be happy with the new RNC head of the party.
The very same people who would have been happy to burn down my house and car if I had put out the OBAMA sign ... are the ones standing there now with their hands out breathlessly waiting for the money the stimulus package will give them. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/18/2009 6:28:48 PM | If you're not blessed with any of that crap going on in your neighborhood ... then you just have no idea what you're missing.
WHITE racists, gun-toting, rebel-flag-flying, crude, loud, rude, Redneck, Hill Billy, Bubba's
Maybe you can inform us how they are different from the WHITE, gun-toting, rebel, crude, loud, rude, Redneck, Hill Billy, Bubba's in the liberal democrat neighborhoods or is it you who have been missing out ? | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/18/2009 6:47:40 PM |
Why is small business expanding? Because when you can't find a job and you run out of unemployment insurance you do the only thing left... you start your own business. Doesn't necessarily make money, but it does count.
I can hardly imagine a person who gets unemployment insurance and at the same time starts a business. According to you cncgandolf all businesses should be big and at the same time who are in small business running their own shops instead of making money for other are losers. This regardless of the fact that there are economies of scale which means for certain businesses having at least minimum number of employees is the most productive. For running a pizza shop and having a successful family owned restaurant, nobody needs to have at least 50 employees. This is why virtually all large franchizes in restaurant industry produce infesroir food and just put the cheap advertisemnt on TV to get customers. While if you go to a small, nice family owned restaurant, it's usually a line since they have complete control and no problem with economy of scale. And, yes there is nothing wrong to be fired if it happens not due to performance but not taking corporate BS and not wishing to kiss *(^(*^*(^ of some people there as everybody else does in big corporations to survive. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/18/2009 7:34:31 PM |
If you're not blessed with any of that crap going on in your neighborhood ... then you just have no idea what you're missing.
WHITE racists, gun-toting, rebel-flag-flying, crude, loud, rude, Redneck, Hill Billy, Bubba's Maybe you can inform us how they are different from the WHITE, gun-toting, rebel, crude, loud, rude, Redneck, Hill Billy, Bubba's in the liberal democrat neighborhoods or is it you who have been missing out ? We all know exactly what I'm talking about.
LMAO ... not even worth any further comment except to say that those WHITE good ole boys are not happy about Steele. LMAO ... the further downfall to the Repugnicans ...  
Okay done with that!!!
OT ... I just want that stimulus package to kick in by June or so. That way, hopefully some of the people here in this area can qualify for a loan and I can get my house sold (to some red-blooded good ole boy Redneck). Yuppers, they'll be right at home here. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/19/2009 6:53:41 AM |
We all know exactly what I'm talking about.
Yep, we do, you are using stereotypes. Have you actually talked to all of them and figured out why they voted for McCain? If so, then forgive me. But I know plenty of racist, redneck, hillibilly, bubba DEMOCRATS right in my area that wouldn't vote for Obama because he was African American and no other reason. Everything else you describe them to be is purely democrat. And you are right, racists are probably not happy about Steele either, but it has nothing to do with political party-it has to do with the fact they are African American. Common sense tells most people that. And there is no stereotyping involved with the reasoning.
That way, hopefully some of the people here in this area can qualify for a loan and I can get my house sold (to some red-blooded good ole boy Redneck). Yuppers, they'll be right at home here.
Maybe if you had "vetted" your neighborhood better, you wouldn't have wound up in Racist Redneckville. Democrats sure seem to have a problem with doing research before they make crucial moves............like buying houses or passing large stimulus packages. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/19/2009 12:43:16 PM |
I can hardly imagine a person who gets unemployment insurance and at the same time starts a business. If you qualify for unemployment and you do not make "X" amount of money in that week but did not turn down work ... you can collect unemployment.
Similar to what is going on in the business I work in. The nurses who are part time can continue to work and let's say they qualify for $200.00 per week of unemployment. If they only make $150.00 in the week and did not turn down any assignments, then unemployment will give them $50.00 for that week.
When you sign up for unemployment you have a certain amount you can draw. If you do not draw it all at once (usually within 6 months) then you have a full year to draw it. I suppose it's possible that you could work every other week as a part time worker and get unemployment for the weeks you do not work.
I think there is a question on the statement related to being self-employed. I have no idea what happens if you answer that you are self-employed ... I don't know anyone who is self-employed having to draw unemployment. Seems to me that counteracts itself ... eh? But maybe not.
Maybe someone who is presently drawing unemployment could be doing the ground work of starting their own business while still getting the unemployment. Maybe just starting the business doesn't actually qualify for "employment"? | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/20/2009 4:54:56 PM | " WHITE, gun-toting, rebel, crude, loud, rude, Redneck, Hill Billy, Bubba's in the liberal democrat neighborhoods or is it you who have been missing out ?"
I live in a liberal area. When the war was popular the rednecks were loud and obnoxious. Since the war isn't as popular they have retreated back into being an obnoxious rarity instead of the every day common irritant. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/20/2009 5:34:15 PM | oh..how do i feel about the "stimulus" package...what a loaded question...
well, it is simply NOT going to work. if you look at the allocation of the money, it is not going to stimulate the economy. i am sorry, it doesn't cost a trillioin bucks to "create" 4 million jobs. not only that, but problem is that the type of so-called jobs they will be creating are not real jobs. they are not jobs that produce a product that is exchanged on the free market. they are jobs that are in essence a liability to the tax payer. they are an artificial creation by the government paid for courtesy of the american tax payer. anyone who knows anything about the economy or business KNOWS that government does NOT create jobs. the business sector creates jobs. gov can certainly do a lot to squash the busines sector, thereby interfereing with economic growth and job creation, but the gov does NOT create jobs. this whole bill is nothing but a complete rip off for the american tax payer. you don't spend your way to prosperity. to give billions and billions to pet projects, and stupid programs will do nothing to fix the free-fall on wall street right now.
one thing to keep in mind is that this is NOT the "worst economy since the depression." there have been a total of two articles within the last month that appeared in the new york times that detail this little reported fact in great depth. the worst economy since the depression occurred in 82-83. the housing market was 30% less then it is now, and things were bad. this was the post-jimmy carter malaise, and reagan inherited the whole mess from the moron. well, what did reagan do? he did NOTHING. i repeat he did NOTHING and the market corrected itself. we'd be far better off if we did nothing. but of course, snobama has to meddle with things he doesn't know anything about - like the economy.
this president is doing nothing but running up debt for the next two or three generations. he is a complete a**hole if you ask me. a recent article said that the total long term obligations of the federal gov now exceed the total gdp of the whole fricken world!
oh yeah, and another little known fact is that on sept 15 of last year there was an electronic "run on the bank" to the tune of 550 billion in one hour! people were withdrawing money electronically from money market accounts and the fed had to shut the money market accounts down to prevent a complete economic collapse. my source on this is a cspan interview with a representative kanjorski. i watched this video, and so should everyone.
didn't hear about this bit in the main stream news did we? there is a link to the cspan video here...you might be able to find it on youtube...
http://www.capitalismgonewild.com/2009/02/update-rep-kanjorski-on-550-billion.html
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/20/2009 8:10:57 PM | life is not all about becoming a professor and thinking above all other people Ms cncg...... Someone can be a low class but not redneck at all, especially when hating them so much. Southern Torrance where PV starts is one of the most snobby area. When it goes all the way to Palos Verdes, I have been in many cities and countries in the world, but never seen people more snobby, isolated and unhappy than in Palos Verdes and Southern Torrance.
Wow, Larria's posting was awesome, first time I agree with her with virtually everything except her not accepting Obama at all. | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/20/2009 9:27:55 PM | The government routinely spends billions on pork, and it didn't prevent the mess we're in. I don't understand why they think that throwing good money after bad is a good idea.
A few reasons why (feel free to add to the list): 1. Because they can. 2. Because it's YOUR money. 3. Because no one will do a damn thing about it. 4. Because this administration is only a continuation of the last administration. This allows you to quote a previous post.
Oneblend, ~ I understand your cynicism but I don't see this presently happening.
if you have been keeping up ~ and that's not been an easy thing to do in the last few weeks, for things are happening very rapidly.
Today, the 20th of Feb 2009, 16 mayor's were invite to the White House, They were told when this money would reach their state government and look to their Governor's for it. Obama stated point blank to them, this is the peoples money and if he heard of any inappropriate spending, he would come down on them with the full weight of his office.
the 19th, in a unheard of move, Swiss Banks turned over the names of 500 American account holders and a request is in for 5000 more. I suspect this is regard to Madoff's ponizz scheme.
The week prior, some 9 Wall Street Banker appeared before a Senate Hearing as each Senator tag teamed their ass. Simple question was asked, Like wheres the money! and how much of your personal money do you have in your bank? Please bear in mind a wrong answer promises jail time.
I might be wrong~ but what I am seeing is" not ' business as usual.
Now ~ it's true that some still don't understand it ~not getting the message, change comes hard for some of these old farts. All the open stealing and lobbying common place and a way of life for them, they see no wrong in it.
Don't get me wrong, I know how sneeky they are, and there's many rats attempting to blend in and go undetected. There is oversight committees at work now, that will follow their slime tails and seek them out.
This is the House Cleaning that McCain and Palin promised you! that most of us just couldn't believe he was up too.
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/20/2009 9:55:07 PM | ep, we do, you are using stereotypes. Have you actually talked to all of them and figured out why they voted for McCain? If so, then forgive me. But I know plenty of racist, redneck, hillibilly, bubba DEMOCRATS right in my area that wouldn't vote for Obama because he was African American and no other reason
Well if a persons thinking process is challenged , I fail to find valid reason to pay much attention in what one might "claim"t o be or say. They might claim to be a prophet!
That's like the man saying, "I'm not crazy but my brother is and he told me I wasn't!"
I know and had such friend as well ~ I still do! ~ You should hear all the Obama jokes I'm receiving ~ and not single one founded in any truth or reality ~~ just racism.
Hey , nothing new ~ look what the fine people did to Jesus ~ that was a rough way to die, ~~ and his crime? ~~ upsetting a few people with some things he said, and above all , too many people were listening and found comfort in his words of peace.
and NO! don't make the quantum leap that I'm comparing Obama to Jesus unless you plan on killing him ~~ so don't even go there!
I compare people's mass sicken behavior to their weak and frail insecurities.
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/20/2009 10:14:44 PM | sorot...
i don't completely reject obama. i mean, he looks really "presidential" in a 2 thousand dollar suit, and he has a nice timbre to his voice.
other then that..yeah, i think the guy is nothing but a tool...made in chicago...
i'd like him a lot better if he stopped the spend-o-thon...
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/21/2009 9:08:06 AM | i don't completely reject obama. i mean, he looks really "presidential" in a 2 thousand dollar suit, and he has a nice timbre to his voice.
other then that..yeah, i think the guy is nothing but a tool...made in chicago...
i'd like him a lot better if he stopped the spend-o-thon...
Is that all? and we'd prefer McCain?
I think it's kinda late to be worrying a lot about a spend-o-thon.
You would prefer a new bus driver, stuck out in the middle of" no where" with no gas money and yet wish to complain about where we're at?
Everyone is a product of something from somewhere.
Obama was not made in Chicago, but in the home of a loving blue collar family, only polished in Chicago. ~ What finer place to learn the way corrupt government truly works? What finer place to learn how political power is brought to bear and see the resulting disparity brought about by government for sale?
So we'd wish our president to be aware of such things but never exposed? So exactly how does that work?
$800 million alone was give to the Bankers of Wall Street just a few weeks prior by the previous Administration with much less fan fair and disgust. GM and Chrysler less with more promised to follow.
So tell us, exactly what part of Obams's "Spend-o-Thon" do you find most unsettling, the 780 million to turn the bus around?
I had an buddy in the army that had one side of his nose missing. When I first met him, it was all that you could see when you looked at him, this big hole in his head.
As the weeks turned into months , I quite seeing this hole but only a friend, even now, I have a hard time seeing him with his nose missing.
There will come a time, we will all quite seeing Obama as a black man, only seeing him as President. I already have. It wasn't hard for me to do.
You have no choice but to get over it ~~~~~ and you will with time.
He was the best of the two choices we had.
I'm surprised that this is still begin discussed at this point and time, telling me only that America's future is still not guaranteed and we still hang in a balance, lofty ideas on one side and self-defeating nature on the other.
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/21/2009 8:54:41 PM | "Someone can be a low class but not redneck at all,"
One of the differences between us, Sorot, is that I would never call a fellow human being 'low class.' In my experience, rednecks come from all income categories.
I don't live in South Torrance, although I am also aware that those that live in Riveria Village and the other Torrance PO areas south of PCH do tend to try to call themselves as from P.V. My sober home is in Old Torrance; my mobile home is near Del Amo Mall. I don't live around PV types, although I do have friends and former coworkers who do.
I hang around a lot of very hard working people who either don't have jobs anymore or whose jobs are at high risk. I'm not feeling all that confident about my own. However, life has kicked me to the curb before and I know I can dumpster dive and dig a ditch if that is what I have to do to make it through the rough times.
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/22/2009 8:19:38 AM | I feel the same way about this "stimulus" package as I do about the Patriot Act. Where they will have the opportunity to slip something in under your nose, they will and it's beginning to come to light slowly .. especially where your health matters are of concern.
Prison Healthcare Now For Everyone by KRusso Much of the criticism of the $787 billion stimulus bill is focused on its cost. But what's really at issue is a matter of life and death. Buried deep in the package, there is an expensive new healthcare program that could jeopardize the health, even the lives, of millions of patients, yours included. [emphasis mine]. Healthcare in this country will mirror that of prison healthcare-----an already existing medical gulag. This program is so serious and one of the main reasons Daschle did’t want hearings on it. It was reported that he stated it would be far easier and faster to "slip and slide" this healthcare nightmare under the radar so the American public wouldn’t have a clue what was happening or than to have to go through the democratic channels in the Senate for discussion. Premeditatedly folks, Obama andCompany Dashcle et.al usurped the democratic process... What you’re now getting force fed down your throats by Obama and Company is socialized medicine. It is the exact same healthcare system inmates in this country are being forced to endure. Prison healthcare is SOCIALIZED medicine. It does NOT work.
Obama has premeditatedly not posted anything on the Federal Register. For those of you who don’t know what the Federal Register is, go read about it: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/fr/ Get educated! Get your head out of the sand.
Every American should be outraged about this except of course, for the 52% that voted for Obama. But for those in that 52%, unfortunately the majority of them had (have) no idea what they voted for or had a clue of the scope and ramifications their own vote was going to have on them.
The average American “the person who pays his bills, works 10-14-16 hours per day, isn't on welfare, and pays his taxes now gets to pick up the tab for those who do nothing and produce nothing. That average American now is forced to pick up the tab for the healthcare for everyone under the new program. And of course also now funds welfare recipients indefinitely...
Families & Friends of Inmates For those of you who are families and friends of inmates you should be very, very worried about what this president has deceitfully pushed through without any oversight and transparency. If you have been directly or indirectly involved in the mismanagement of healthcare within a prison system, know first-hand of its mismanagement and meting out of permanent disability and death, you know first hand how bad it is. You’ll also get a taste of it yourself because you’re going to be experiencing it yourself under the healthcare plan.
Said another way for those of you who still may not understand: If you’re 60 years old or even 70 years old, and need a knee replacement the federal government is going to take the cost of that knee replacement and divide it by the number of years that it would be helpful for you. If you don’t fit into THEIR formula as to what is "medically necessary" you aren’t going to get that knee replacement. No matter what you want and no matter what your doctor says.
That goes for any medical condition, any procedure, any surgery, any prescription drug, any cancer treatment. It’s called "standardization of care." What one doctor prescribes will be the standard for everyone. Said yet another way..... If a drug works for a person in Idaho then the formula is that the same drug will work in Ohio even if your doctor doesn’t think so.
The Federal government ladies and gentlemen does not have the authority to take the place of a private decision between a doctor and his patients. Under this program as it stands, it will. Get your seatbelt on. Get your ducks in a row. And for those of you who voted for this president, accountability is everything, yours included. About K. Russo: ~Expertise Institute fields questions concerning consumer rights--specifically educating the public on what their rights are concerning medical care, legal representation, what their rights are concerning autopsies, what their rights are as visitors within a prison system. ~Founder and Director of The Wrongful Death Institute Education/Credentials www.wrongfuldeathinstitute.com
Still not getting it? Read the article below. Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs# | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/22/2009 9:46:14 AM | I feel the same way about this "stimulus" package as I do about the Patriot Act. Where they will have the opportunity to slip something in under your nose, they will and it's beginning to come to light slowly .
Two very dissimilar things, surly you misspeak.
One compromises your personal freedoms
the other a spending package.
misapplyed by either, the end results not close to equal.
I opposed the Patriot Act as I did the creation of Home Land Security. Government agencies were already there, in place, just not doing their jobs well.
So we create another that fails to do it's job well in response? how clever!
But, I agree, this cash needs to be spent well.
The GOP is attacking the program with misinformation as I speak.
Adds are being ran, " HOW YOU TOO CAN CASH IN ON THE BAILOUT" and "HOW I DID IT!"
Make no bones about it, The GOP (as a party) wants back in and will sell their Grandmother if need be. Any plan that not their plan will be forever under attack , creating illusions of failure if none can be found.
and many will fall for it. It will take a serious concerted effort on everones part to seperate facts from fiction. Not all will do this, so be advised, it's coming. The truth being harder then ever to uncover.
These are the only cards the GOP has to play at this point and time in history. The GOP is not taking these defeats a laying down, willing to run the country in the ground of necessary to acheive their goals.
and what about health care in this nation?, a side issue , not germain to the thread.
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/22/2009 6:51:38 PM | Two very dissimilar things, surly you misspeak. One compromises your personal freedoms the other a spending package. Surely I did not misspeak at all. Perhaps you haven't made the connection although, the article I posted explains it quite well. As did the link to another article. This is not a partisan issue and one that I would hope all people should be concerned about.
and what about health care in this nation?, a side issue , not germain to the thread. Surely you've missed something very important. Might want to read the link I provided. As with the Patriot Act, the Stimulus Package was once again passed in a manner of theives in the night. As with the Patriot Act, it now comes to light there is hidden legislation proposed. (This time, healthcare). Transparency? And if you don't think this form of rationing healthcare, particularly for the elderly doesn't affect personal freedom, and that obligation of doctors to their patients, then possibly you need to give some deeper thought to it.
...Hiding health legislation in a stimulus bill is intentional. Daschle supported the Clinton administration’s health-care overhaul in 1994, and attributed its failure to debate and delay. A year ago, Daschle wrote that the next president should act quickly before critics mount an opposition. “If that means attaching a health-care plan to the federal budget, so be it,” he said. “The issue is too important to be stalled by Senate protocol.” ~Betsy McCaughey Read the full article. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs# | |
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| How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/22/2009 7:31:09 PM | Republican Senators are questioning whether President Barack Obama’s stimulus bill contains the right mix of tax breaks and cash infusions to jump-start the economy. Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.
Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).
The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.
It's about time that this information is available to reference
But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446).
The keyword is "guide" , transitive verb to advise or counsel somebody, or influence the way somebody behaves or acts
These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”
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