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I would like to have some input to this by saying the following:-
No, a DJ is NOT a musician!
Anyone can play records, you don't have to have any real knowledge or skill to be able to put one record on after another. There are, of course, more skilled DJ's who have the ability to be able to mix records to the continuous beat of the current playing track but that is all.
The hard work has already been done by the individual band members spending hours in a studio, sticking each track down seperately and then an engineer running the final mix. What for? Just to have some 'random individual' put the track on some decks with an amplified sound and claim all the plaudits? Give me a break!
The DJ is merely a 'vehicle' a 'tool' if you wish, to get musicians music out there. It matters not if the musician is able to read music or not. A strange thing that comes from musicians that are good readers, is that they lack the ability to be able to 'play by ear' which sometimes means that when they do play be 'reading the dots' they sometimes miss the real timing and feel of a song/tune.
Drummers are musicians too. Anything that provides a rhythm or tune is musical and when played by an individual, that individual is a musician. For those of you who don't believe a drummer is a musician, then try playing to a 'click-track'. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2011 6:12:01 AM | I would consider a good DJ an artist, but not a musician.
The reason I would consider them an artist is because they do compose by mixing different songs together and whatnot. But they don't know how to play an instrument, so I can't really call them a musician.
I even consider vocalists musicians. Their voice is their instrument. Though it did take me many years to realize that. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2011 12:06:58 PM | | I don't really go where DJ's work but I suppose if a DJ was a musician in the classical sense, he'd be a better DJ than one who wasn't. | |
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Posted: 7/21/2011 2:35:21 PM | | Your looking at this from the point of view of a "club DJ". Those jockeys spin other artists music. But dont get that confused with electronic producers. Producers are musicians. They create their own music via different samples of bass, snare, trebble, and various other sounds using music software. Producers are also DJ's. They play their own shows just as any band would. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2011 7:21:37 PM | I'm a person who is very into electronic music, and I wouldn't call a DJ a musician.
Why?
Because DJ's link records together.
Some people don't realise the difference between a:
Electronic Music ARTIST
A person who creates records by arranging beats and sounds together into melodies etc...
Disk Jockey
A person who mixes together different records using timing to make them fit in together.
I'm not knocking the DJ, but I don't believe a DJ is a musician, as previously described by a previous poster 'Technician' is a good description. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2011 9:19:56 PM | | All DJ's are not the same. I hate the whole genre, but I started running lights in clubs around Indianapolis a few years back and had to work with a bunch of different DJ's. Most were really bad. The transitions between songs would be like grinding gears in a car, their picks were terrible, most only playing what they liked and pissing the patrons off. I have a buddy that is one of the best in the region. His mix is flawless everytime. But his pay proves it. Most DJ's make around $150 a night, he makes $125 an hour and has every thursday through saturday booked for the next 2 years. But he thinks like a musician, most closely to a drummer. He makes his arrangements by finding compatible songs that fit neatly with a speed adjustment, but with bass lines being same or similar, notes being same or similar, and moving on from there. Most of your average DJ's just make 2 songs fit together even if it is like oil and water. It absolutely takes a certain talent and ear for music to stand above the majority that are hacking their way through a night. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2011 6:02:56 PM | Firstly, if you want to talk about musical thieves...you should look up people like Elvis Presley, and Pat Boone. Remember Elvis' "You ain't nothin' but a hound-dog"? Well, he STOLE that entire song, from a black woman named 'Big Mama Thorton'. And, I'm not saying he took a 'sample' of the song, and paid royalties on it...he just straight up, STOLE THE ENTIRE SONG!!!
Same goes for Pat Boone, and 'Little Richard's' "Tootie-Fruity"...and again, Pat didn't take a 'sample' of the song...HE STRAIGHT UP, STOLE THE WHOLE THING!!!!
Now, let's talk about whether or not DJ's are 'really' musicians. I've seen a lot of people refer to DJ's as, 'technicians' rather that 'musicians'. The phonograph, or turntable, was meant to do 'one' thing, and that's 'play' recorded music. What 'Hip-Hop' DJ's did, was extract certain sounds from the 'record', that more traditional DJ's, never thought to do. Hip-Hop 'starts' with the DJ, playing 'break-beats' from certain records, and making different songs out of them, another element of this is the 'scratching' techniques they employed. I agree with the fact, that anyone can just play records back-to-back, but the Hip-Hop DJ, made different compositions out of the 'scratching' methods they used, and therein lies the ingenuity. And, any artist worth they're salt, employs some sort of 'technique' to their artistry, to be better than a lay-person at it. So, a painter, can also be labeled a 'technician'. And, how come I don't hear anyone putting down Tom Morello, for his use of scratching on the guitar?
Let me say one more thing...and that is...THE SAME PEOPLE WHO CREATED HIP-HOP, ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO CREATED THE 'ROCK AND ROLL', WHITE MALES SO CLOSELY IDENTIFY WITH. AND THAT'S BLACK PEOPLE!!!! What, you thought it all started with Elvis...and wasn't he a great guitarist. People like Chuck Berry, Bo Diddly, and even Elmore James...are the people who gave 'you' the notion, to pick up the guitar in the first place. DO YOU KNOW THAT ROCK AND ROLL WAS ONCE CALLED 'JUNGLE MUSIC', because only black people played it? I see so many white men say playing a 'guitar' is the only way to be a real musician, well, if you study the archives, you'll see Chuck Berry, playing his guitar and 'duck-walking' across the stage, while white men laugh at him. Ten years later, they were doing the same thing. So, who's really a musician? I get sickened by white men and their short-term memories...just because 'you' say something, doesn't make it the gospel.
And, as far as you're being a 'purist'...besides spelling it wrongly, I'd say the only thing that's really 'pure', is your ignorance. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 4:02:28 PM | Firstly, if you want to talk about musical thieves...you should look up people like Elvis Presley, and Pat Boone. Remember Elvis' "You ain't nothin' but a hound-dog"? Well, he STOLE that entire song, from a black woman named 'Big Mama Thorton'. And, I'm not saying he took a 'sample' of the song, and paid royalties on it...he just straight up, STOLE THE ENTIRE SONG!!!
Uh, no. It was a song written by Leiber and Stoller (two very white guys, BTW), it was not "stolen", it was recorded by permission of the composers (I don't think they regret the royalties).
Same goes for Pat Boone, and 'Little Richard's' "Tootie-Fruity"...and again, Pat didn't take a 'sample' of the song...HE STRAIGHT UP, STOLE THE WHOLE THING!!!!
No again, that particular song (an obvious rip off of Slim Gaillard's own brand of jive from the 30's and 40's called "Vout") was not accredited to Boone (Richard didn't own his own publishing either, he sold the rights for a quick buck long before Boone covered that tune).
Now, let's talk about whether or not DJ's are 'really' musicians. I've seen a lot of people refer to DJ's as, 'technicians' rather that 'musicians'. The phonograph, or turntable, was meant to do 'one' thing, and that's 'play' recorded music. What 'Hip-Hop' DJ's did, was extract certain sounds from the 'record', that more traditional DJ's, never thought to do. Hip-Hop 'starts' with the DJ, playing 'break-beats' from certain records, and making different songs out of them, another element of this is the 'scratching' techniques they employed. I agree with the fact, that anyone can just play records back-to-back, but the Hip-Hop DJ, made different compositions out of the 'scratching' methods they used, and therein lies the ingenuity. And, any artist worth they're salt, employs some sort of 'technique' to their artistry, to be better than a lay-person at it. So, a painter, can also be labeled a 'technician'. And, how come I don't hear anyone putting down Tom Morello, for his use of scratching on the guitar?
Non sequitur, …try changing keys mid beat with a turntable, …not much of a "musical instrument" now, is it?
Hell, …a saw is more of a musical instrument, the player has the freedom of changing tempo, time signature and key at will.
Can't do that with the 'tables.
Let me say one more thing...and that is...THE SAME PEOPLE WHO CREATED HIP-HOP, ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO CREATED THE 'ROCK AND ROLL', WHITE MALES SO CLOSELY IDENTIFY WITH. AND THAT'S BLACK PEOPLE!!!! What, you thought it all started with Elvis...and wasn't he a great guitarist. People like Chuck Berry, Bo Diddly, and even Elmore James...are the people who gave 'you' the notion, to pick up the guitar in the first place. DO YOU KNOW THAT ROCK AND ROLL WAS ONCE CALLED 'JUNGLE MUSIC', because only black people played it? I see so many white men say playing a 'guitar' is the only way to be a real musician, well, if you study the archives, you'll see Chuck Berry, playing his guitar and 'duck-walking' across the stage, while white men laugh at him. Ten years later, they were doing the same thing. So, who's really a musician? I get sickened by white men and their short-term memories...just because 'you' say something, doesn't make it the gospel.
You watch too much TV.
Hip Hop's origins come out of Jamaican music producers who would provide mobile "sound system" DJs (under their employ) records stripped of vocal tracks to do "Toast" and "Dub.
Rock n' Roll traces it's earliest roots back to artists in the '20s, …the earliest "electrified" guitars were often white guys, George Barnes recorded the first electric blues guitar sides with Big Bill Broonzy in '38. Barnes influenced early black guitarists like Eddy Durham, …who influenced Charlie Christian, who influenced T-Bone Walker, …who is the guy Chuck Berry stole a lot of his act from.
And, as far as you're being a 'purist'...besides spelling it wrongly, I'd say the only thing that's really 'pure', is your ignorance.
No one "race" owns the origins of R&R, Blues, Jazz, Hip Hop, etc.
Anytime you want to seek those who innovated, be prepared to be colour-blind, …or you're just being plain ol' "blind".
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Posted: 8/5/2011 4:13:38 PM | | That kind of depends if it's a DJ that's playing classic rock at a bar or someone like Miss Kittin that writes her own music and sings. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 4:22:10 PM |
That kind of depends if it's a DJ that's playing classic rock at a bar or someone like Miss Kittin that writes her own music and sings.
It all boils down to whether they can play a musical instrument or not, …'tables are not an bona fide musical instrument, neither are CD decks, or tape decks.
Even a triangle is more of a "musical instrument".
Is scratching a skill?
Absolutely, is it musical on its own? …that's debatable. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 6:14:41 PM | | Being a vocalist is being a bona fide musician. There are many musicians/vocalists that can't play instruments, or can't play them well. The voice is considered a musical instrument and it's one of the "instruments" you can major in when you apply to a university. What if someone composes a complete film score but doesn't know how to play any instruments because they used digital devices? Are they a musician? I would consider someone like Miss Kittin a musician because she can sing, write songs, and produce her own music. Someone that presses play on WinAmp at a bar isn't a musician in my eyes. But I agree, scratching is stretching the definition of what a musician is. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 6:24:00 PM | Being a vocalist is being a bona fide musician
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/32bbcfb38c/worst-karaoke-ever-from-that-happened
M'kay….. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2011 10:56:34 PM | spinning recorded music doesn't make you a musician.
eating a filet-o-fish doesn't make you captain highlander.
watching nascar doesn't make you a car.
robert johnson sold his soul to the devil and created the blues which **stardized into rock n roll.
so you can blame or thank him.
k.w.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 7:35:43 PM |
Uh, no. It was a song written by Leiber and Stoller (two very white guys, BTW), it was not "stolen", it was recorded by permission of the composers (I don't think they regret the royalties).
Okay let's take a look at this...Leiber and Stoller WERE the composers of the song...AND you're OWN people reference both of them as being the first to "surround 'black' music with elaborate production values." Key words: BLACK MUSIC...now this is your own people saying that. Leiber and Stoller, just like Elvis, were copying a style of music they heard from us. We all know that Elvis got his sense of rhythm and singing style from musicians like Jackie Wilson and Nat 'King' Cole. Just because Leiber and Stoller had the access to the resources that exploited the music, doesn't mean they had a hand in creating it. I'm talking about where they heard that kind of music and where they copied it from. Did they write the 'lyrics', yes. Did they teach my people their sense of rhythm and style...HELL NO!!!! YOU'RE PEOPLE GOT THAT FROM US!!!!!
No again, that particular song (an obvious rip off of Slim Gaillard's own brand of jive from the 30's and 40's called "Vout") was not accredited to Boone (Richard didn't own his own publishing either, he sold the rights for a quick buck long before Boone covered that tune).
Okay...what color was Slim Gaillard? Hint: he wasn't one of your people. And, Little Richard sold the rights to his publishing because it was the only way he could get some money from HIS catalog. Do you know these benevolent whites had him making for half a cent a record. Half a cent. I won't even talk about who came up with the word 'jive' in it's vernacular term. Or who came up with that genre of music...again, RHYTHM...which you guys got from us!!!
Non sequitur, …try changing keys mid beat with a turntable, …not much of a "musical instrument" now, is it?
Hell, …a saw is more of a musical instrument, the player has the freedom of changing tempo, time signature and key at will.
Can't do that with the 'tables.
You're right about this one...you can't change keys while 'scratching' on a turntable...but if you're 'mixing' along with 'scratching', you can definitely change time signatures, keys, octaves, etc. Again, if your 'mixing' different sounds, and playing them in a syncopated matter, you can do all of this. As far as a 'saw' being more of a musical instrument...if you guys didn't like what we were doing, you should STOP COPYING US!!!!! AND why are turntables outselling guitars to this day?
You watch too much TV.
Hip Hop's origins come out of Jamaican music producers who would provide mobile "sound system" DJs (under their employ) records stripped of vocal tracks to do "Toast" and "Dub.
Rock n' Roll traces it's earliest roots back to artists in the '20s, …the earliest "electrified" guitars were often white guys, George Barnes recorded the first electric blues guitar sides with Big Bill Broonzy in '38. Barnes influenced early black guitarists like Eddy Durham, …who influenced Charlie Christian, who influenced T-Bone Walker, …who is the guy Chuck Berry stole a lot of his act from.
You're not really gonna' talk to me about the 'blues' are you? Regardless of the fact that white blues guitarists might have been the first ones to 'record' this music with an 'electrified' guitar...WHO CREATED THE BLUES?? HINT: IT WASN'T YOUR PEOPLE!!! Go anywhere in the world and look up 'blues' music...all of them will tell you that my people CREATED the music...again, there's a difference between 'exploiting' a genre, and creating one.
And please don't talk to me about who created HIP-HOP...even if white Jamaican producers provided the mobile sound systems...guess who CREATED THE MUSIC????
Again, rhythm and style....What, are you gonna' tell me your people created funk too?
As far as watching TV is concerned, you might wanna' turn off yours...'cause obviously it's telling you that your people had a hand in creating everything. And, you haven't. AND PLEASE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT WE DO CULTURALLY....IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, STOP COPYING US!!!!! You don't hear us moaning about having to listen to opera arias on elevators, even though the music hasn't been relevant in centuries. YOUR PEOPLE NEED TO GET OVER THEMSELVES....CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF...THE WHOLE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND YOU!!! | |
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Posted: 8/12/2011 7:27:07 AM | Okay let's take a look at this...Leiber and Stoller WERE the composers of the song..
Making your statement that Elvis "stole "the song" from Thornton not just false, but consistently specious as the rest of your assertions.
Key words: BLACK MUSIC...now this is your own people saying that.
So what? Are the only people who created SURF MUSIC, surfers? Or, is it really just a description of the main consumer demographic of the time? Hell, Basketball was invented by a white Canadian man of Scottish descent, …would you also claim that African Americans have no business in having any place in its culture?
Or, do you see the absurdity only when it fits an agenda?
you're OWN people
My people? BTW, are, *musicians, as well as music teachers, ethno-musicologists, they come in all sizes, genders, …and amounts of endogenic melanin.
Creating music requires two necessary elements, derivation and synthesis, …the two are inseparable limiting factors in "creating" music. If you want to sit there and make declarative statements regarding historical derivation and ignore the facts in order to bolster a racist rant, …it doesn't change the fact that it's just a racist rant bolstered by ignorance.
Okay...what color was Slim Gaillard?
Doesn't matter. That's the point, the real issue is; what was Galliard's derivation…?
Hint: he wasn't one of your people
Or, so the KKK and their kind of bigotry and ignorance would have you believe….
Nevertheless, Gaillard is a PERFECT example of synthesis from very eclectic derivation. Even before the '40s began, he had managed to incorporate elements of style from many ethnic sources, some as unique and ethnically specific as; arabic, polka, klezmer, Spanish, mariachi, opera, -> So, by your reasoning, anything that the great Slim Gailliard did, ...was an act of plagiarism? (Well, there was the lyrics to "Yep Roc Heresay", that were directly copied from an Armenian restaurant menu…)
But, hey, …you already concede the point that Little Richard stole from Slim, admitting yet another instance of cherry-picking fallacy in order to further a racist polemic.
…Slim stole too. (See: Derivation/Synthesis).
I won't even talk about who came up with the word 'jive' in it's vernacular term. Fine, red herring anyway, as meaningless to the debate as to who came up with "rock n' roll" as a popular term for an aggregate "style" of popular music (cough*Alan Freed*cough).
Or who came up with that genre of music...again, RHYTHM...which you guys got from us!!! Now your equivocating a speech vernacular with a dance form, …in order to assert an absurd claim of racial ownership of a western time signature/meter?
What's next, claims of racial origins of II, IV, I, chord progressions, as well as I, IV, V?
You're right about this one...you can't change keys while 'scratching' on a turntable...but if you're 'mixing' along with 'scratching', you can definitely change time signatures, keys, octaves, etc.
No you can't, not independent of each other, as soon as you match a tempo by speeding up, you've changed the key, …change an octave-> lower or raise the tempo by half/double. More than 2 time signatures -> You're screwed.
Musical instruments …don't have these limitations.
But, hey …this is the closest so far any of your diatribe has been close to being on topic.
Speaking of that diatribe, and considering your very strong feelings about one artist expropriating the influence (when this is stealing the actual work) of another, …where did the vinyl on the turntables come from in the first place?
Hmm?
(This site needs a double face-palm emoticon)
You're not really gonna' talk to me about the 'blues' are you?
Why not, I've been employed as a professional blues musician, I've taught music theory to professional blues musicians, I've played as a sideman on two different instruments with internationally recognized blues artists. I played for "Lightning Hopkins" when I was 12.
You?
Regardless of the fact that white blues guitarists might have been the first ones to 'record' this music with an 'electrified' guitar...
See what you did there with, "regardless of the fact"?
No matter, Barnes did more than just record electric blues first, he was also a sideman from the age of 14, with artists like Memphis Minnie, Blind John Davis and a few others
WHO CREATED THE BLUES?
Do you have any idea how vague and varied the term; "THE blues" is? It is both a specific form and a wide and varied genre (as well as a figure of speech).
Which kind? Delta? Piedmont (Country)? Chicago (well, we already know a few people of lower melanin were involved) Memphis?
How about the term itself?
Do familiarize yourself with George Colman, the man who first used the term for, "melancholy and sadness". He wasn't black.
But it was probably best said by the late-great, rhythm and blues, funk and soul singer Rufus Thomas:
"The blues ain't got no color!" - When asked in a music documentary about whether or not it was appropriate that there were so many white side musicians at Stax/Volt-Motown.
HINT: IT WASN'T YOUR PEOPLE!
Yes it was, fellow musicians, …I think this is where you get so blinded by your own race bigotry that you forget that culture isn't static, as well as linear, it is and has always been a dynamic thing that draws from many sources and contributions.
And please don't talk to me about who created HIP-HOP...even if white Jamaican producers provided the mobile sound systems…
Who said they were white? …you really oughta' crack a book sometime, seriously.
guess who CREATED THE MUSIC????
Most of the music was "stolen" from American soul records, …Stax/Volt and Motown. Now if you know anything about who created THAT music, you'll know that the musicians involved were non-bigoted, multi-racial musicians -> my people.
Again, rhythm and style....What, are you gonna' tell me your people created funk too?
Multi-racial musicians, ->my people.
As far as watching TV is concerned, you might wanna' turn off yours...'cause obviously it's telling you that your people had a hand in creating everything. And, you haven't.
I don't watch TV, no cable, maybe I'm not the one that should be turning it off. I know music history by being a musician for over 40 years, professional player for over 35 years and an educator on and off for over 30. I've even taught music to Hip Hop DJs so they CAN play instruments… You?
AND PLEASE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT WE DO CULTURALLY… Not me doin' the complaining dude, I only see one source of blatant racism on this thread.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, STOP COPYING US!!!!! You don't hear us moaning about having to listen to opera arias on elevators, even though the music hasn't been relevant in centuries. YOUR PEOPLE NEED TO GET OVER THEMSELVES....CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF...THE WHOLE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND YOU!!!
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Posted: 8/14/2011 11:32:19 PM | Is a DJ a musian? I don't think a DJ is a musician. He's an entainer at best, someone who is what used to be called a master of ceremonies. In vaudeville, in the old days, comics were used to act as master of ceremonies, same thing they do for the Oscars and Emmies. That's all a DJ is, someone to put things together and make the show flow smoothly. The fact he/she chooses the music is a type of talent, in the same way a comic can host an event show like the Oscars, but but the DJ is not a muscian. | |
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Posted: 8/15/2011 2:59:35 PM |
You really need to take your own advice dude, …the KKK called, they want their ideology back.
Not me doin' the complaining dude, I only see one source of blatant racism on this thread.
First off, I am not a bigot...you don't hear me saying I want some harm to befall a white person(s), just because they're white. So to compare me to a Klansman is asinine. I'm not burning crosses on white folks lawn, so stop with that nonsense. You, yourself may not be complaining, but look up and down this thread...who is it that's ****ing about how 'Hip-Hoppers' are not musicians...it's YOUR people. Now if you don't see the bigotry inherent in that, your just not paying attention. They don't even know the origins of the music they love so much...they think my people had nothing to do with Rock and Roll, and that it all started with Elvis. I hope you're as critical of them.
I don't watch TV, no cable, maybe I'm not the one that should be turning it off. I know music history by being a musician for over 40 years, professional player for over 35 years and an educator on and off for over 30. I've even taught music to Hip Hop DJs so they CAN play instruments… You?
Kudos for not watching TV...but that doesn't make you smarter AT ALL. I know your professors probably told you it did, but I think we can both agree that there's not a lot of critical or deep thinking going on at these universities. Nine out of ten of these students couldn't make a distinction between being educated and smart, if their lives depended on it. You say you've been a musician for over 40 years, and even taught Hip-Hop DJ's to play instruments...and that you've been a professional player for 35 years...again Kudos. What that tells me is, ALL of your education and years in the music industry, was for NOTHING. YOU HAVEN'T LEARNED ANYTHING IF YOU'RE TRYING TO CONVINCE ME YOUR PEOPLE CREATED THE BLUES, JAZZ, OR SOUL MUSIC.
The only thing you've really learned is that, consciously or sub-consciously, your need to be white and right, in terms of creating everything, TRUMPS anything you might have learned about music.
If you took two minutes to investigate where these genres came from, and who performed them before your people exploited them, then you'd know, your people had no hand in CREATING THE MUSIC. CAN YOU MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN EXPLOITING MUSIC AND CREATING IT?
Now, did your people adopt, co-opt, exploit, and interpolate these genres to suit you. Definitely. Again, there's a reason why Rock and Roll was called JUNGLE MUSIC, by your people. It's because my people created and performed it!!!
So what? Are the only people who created SURF MUSIC, surfers? Or, is it really just a description of the main consumer demographic of the time? Hell, Basketball was invented by a white Canadian man of Scottish descent, …would you also claim that African Americans have no business in having any place in its culture?
Main consumer demographic? In some cases before my people could buy a record, they were CREATING THEIR MUSIC. The black spirituals are what 'the blues' evolved from. Before we were able to access any kind of studio, we were honing our craft amongst each other...even when your people said it wasn't worth anything. *Note* About basketball...your people said my people weren't SMART ENOUGH to play the game, so let's not even go there.
Creating music requires two necessary elements, derivation and synthesis, …the two are inseparable limiting factors in "creating" music. If you want to sit there and make declarative statements regarding historical derivation and ignore the facts in order to bolster a racist rant, …it doesn't change the fact that it's just a racist rant bolstered by ignorance.
What creating music....and the best forms of it, requires more than anything is SPIRITUALITY. Which your people time and time again, have shown and PROVEN you don't have. You can intellectualize about music all you want to...and the fact that you do, is the reason why my people have created the majority of the best genres of music, while your people continue to copy US. That's not a bigot's rant, it' s the truth.
as soon as you match a tempo by speeding up, you've changed the key, …change an octave-> lower or raise the tempo by half/double. More than 2 time signatures -> You're screwed.
Okay, so what if you don't speed your tempo up? If your mixing with two turntables, it doesn't require you to speed up the tempo. You can do that if you want, but it's not mandatory. You may do this for 'scratching', and even then you don't have to speed up the tempos. You can actually slow down a tempo while scratching.
Most of the music was "stolen" from American soul records, …Stax/Volt and Motown. Now if you know anything about who created THAT music, you'll know that the musicians involved were non-bigoted, multi-racial musicians -> my people.
I'm not talking about your people stealing our style and playing on these records as 'session players'...I'm talking about before your people stole our music, learned it, and claimed it as your own. Who taught your people to play with any kind of soul? AMERICAN SOUL? Get the hell out of here...your people don't have any Spiritual SOUL, AND WHAT LITTLE YOU DO HAVE IN TERMS OF MUSIC, YOU LEARNED FROM US.
Multi-racial musicians, ->my people.
Again...Did your people adopt, co-opt, and interpolate our music to suit you...yes. Did you CREATE THE GENRE...NO!!! I don't care how many of you copped our style...you didn't create it.
Again, please make a distinction between EXPLOITING AND CREATING MUSIC!!! YOUR PEOPLE HAVE PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THAT YOU'RE GREAT AT EXPLOITING THINGS. NOW, CREATING SOMETHING IS ANOTHER ISSUE. AND FOR PETE'S SAKE...IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING, STOP COPYING US!!!! | |
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Posted: 8/15/2011 8:20:16 PM | First off, I am not a bigot...
Let's just see about that.
bigotry
noun
bigoted attitudes; intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself
~ New Oxford American Dictionary 2nd edition © 2005 by Oxford University Press, Inc.
Let's try another, shall we?
racism
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
• prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief
~ New Oxford American Dictionary 2nd edition © 2005 by Oxford University Press, Inc.
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'Hip-Hoppers' are not musicians
Is not the subject of the thread. While you may need to misinterpret what this thread is actually about in order to further a bigoted and racist polemic; this is nothing more than racist and bigoted prevarication.
Is a DJ a real muso simply bcos they play music? take samples of others and pass it off as their own?
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poet88
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| Is a DJ a musician?
Posted: 8/16/2011 1:26:02 AM | | Now do you mean a DJ at say a clubbecause if so then no. Then you have some people such as DJ Tiesto and many others who create there own beats and sounds. They also take someone elses work and mke it into something more. | |
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| Is a DJ a musician?
Posted: 8/19/2011 5:34:30 PM | plenty of people do everything themselves with the aid of a computer, mainly drums n synths etc so how can you expect them to play it all at the same time ? they have to dj there music
most djs are rubbish and just play tracks back to back but there are some true innovaters of sound who only dj what they create or have a live studio set up so they are sampling and layering on the fly
mixing , sampling creating bootlegs live etc is a artform don't tar all djs with one brush | |
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| Is a DJ a musician?
Posted: 8/19/2011 6:19:37 PM | | A DJ is most definitely a musician! I produce beats & DJ & if you know how music works you can create a whole new song by taking small samples and layering them....I've flipped samples from popular old rock/jazz/funk records to the point they take on a whole new being. Check out DJ's like Q-Bert, Vajra, The X-ecutioners or Beat Junkies & seriously tell me there not musicians! The turntable is highly respected like a guitarist or drummer if its done correct. | |
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| Is a DJ a musician?
Posted: 8/20/2011 5:42:47 AM |
samples from popular old rock/jazz/funk records
A sample is just a short recording. Take away the prerecorded music, what are you left with as an instrument? A device that plays back prerecorded music, …without anything to "play".
Are people who copy images from photographers in order to create collages; "photographers" themselves? | |
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| Is a DJ a musician?
Posted: 8/20/2011 6:48:51 PM | I personally wouldn't consider a DJ a musician. I like what others have been saying, that they are technicians.
However, I think the only ones who can say yes or no are musicians themselves. *shrug* Which I am not. I'm a critic at best. I write reviews and give people my personal opinion as to what sucks and what doesn't but it's all personal so... that makes me far from any musical expert. | |
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| Is a DJ a musician?
Posted: 8/25/2011 2:00:28 PM | Absolutely not. It's like calling Britney Spears a musician (I LOVE her music, but she is an entertainer)
Musicians make their own original music, not sample from other talented musicians. I'm not clowning DJ's but it is an insult to musicians to call a DJ a musician. | |
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