| Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 1/13/2005 6:26:43 PM |
i live in the deep south now and really hate it. there are very few peole sown here who are capable of practicing tolerance. most of them think that "tolerance" means towards other kinds of christians. people who are real nice to you change their attitude in a hurry if you let them know you don't go to church, let alone that you aren't a christian.
Know what you mean! One of the first things I did to "endear" my neighbors to me was to construct a 250' diameter Medicine Wheel in my front yard, (I have a large front yard) And then explain it to them.
One neighbor complained to me that the deer kept running into his car. (hitting it from the side while he was driving) I told him to stop hunting. During turkey season, he was lining up a shot on a big Tom, when 8 deer came out of the woods and got between him and the Tom. They just stood there looking at him until the Tom walked further into the woods and out of sight. I said, "Well, you won't listen to me will you?" (He didn't talk to me for 3 months!)
Ah, life in the "Bible Belt"! | |
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| Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 1/15/2005 11:06:47 PM | ow. your message gave me a brain fart. too many big words. ow again.
(Oh BTW about the name-- one of my friends let me have her account, but these are all my pics and stuff.)
PEACE OUT
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| If you are blessed with a gift....
Posted: 1/16/2005 7:09:13 AM | yna6...then you wont have to keep any defences up....you will recognise that which seeks to harm or destroy and you will counter it....
and keeping your own thing going isnt sharing....the gift you have isn't yours to keep...its to share and enrich others with....thats why we are all blessed
Your card for today...
is the Moon;
A major Arcana card. Nothing is as it seems with the moon...moonlight can play tricks on us altering the appearance and color of the landscapes, for whatever reason you are not seeing something in its true light, maybe someone is holding things back from you , or you are reluctant to face an unpleasant task.
The Moon is a difficult card, indicating often that there is a difficult situation, confusing as if you are in a fog...people are not being straight with you, telling you one thing and doing another, creating self doubt about what you hear see or do. The Moon card has links with dreams and the unconscious, secrets and fear may emerge unbidden forcing you to acknowledge them.
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| the other thing that bugs me....
Posted: 1/16/2005 7:26:25 AM | is how those on the fringes of a Spiritual life or existance (or as some who have described it here..."Fluffs"...) or The Fakers or the Marketers of New Age religion...ALWAYS seem....assume that every guide is a Native American....thus those finding this side of life for the 1st time think thats all there is...
I have no doubt what-so-ever that the power that exists surrounding Native spirituality is massive...but not well documented at all.....but i do think the newage fluffies have **stardized the whole image
ME...I dont see guides, have no clue who mine are or how many...I dont hear them either. but I know they are there...its just a feeling that u feel...
I'm an Empath....I dont tell fortunes, or have visions...and for years never really understood what it was I felt...I do now.... | |
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| Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 2/10/2005 11:32:40 AM | | You know i will admit i've not really been practicing as long as i'd like, but i have come to believe and follow what i have learned in that short time with all my being. I love the indian culture in general and always have admired and respected them more then any other culture. I have yet to study in depth in there ways but i plan to eventually as with all things it takes time, i seem more drawn to egyptian gods then others right now mainly Isis, and Bast seem to call my name *chuckles* the hardest part is finding some one is pagan near you, most keep it hush hush, as for the warning above about being persecuted for my ways. I would prefer to be open about my faith and die, then to hide it and live an eternity, there is no Honor in hiding who you are. | |
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| Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 2/10/2005 11:46:52 AM | if you really want company, try to find a shop in your area that caters to pagans. they usually have message boards, with events and classes and stuff. also check the llewellyn new times, for world wide news and events and major gatherings.
side note, loci - it's "kinky", not kninky. edit yer profile. | |
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| Wiccans and Pagans! Give Me That Old Time Religion!
Posted: 2/10/2005 10:55:32 PM | | Christianity has its day numbered by law of balance. They burned and tortured our ancestors for beleiving in something that dates back farther that there God (How come Adam didn't write a book if he was so special and could talk to god directly?), Ten folds is all i say... Velut Aegri Somnia - how your priest's dreams?... | |
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| If you are blessed with a gift....
Posted: 2/10/2005 11:39:04 PM | | you hit that one on the head...the ex is causing all kinds of heck...haven't seen teh kids here in over a month....ah well....off to the battlegrounds and we'll resolve this..... | |
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| If you are blessed with a gift....
Posted: 2/11/2005 7:37:37 AM | | ahh!! i made a typo! some one shoot me =P my grammer is about as useful as lead shoes! lol thanks for the heads up. | |
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| What do you believe?
Posted: 2/11/2005 10:55:00 PM | What do wiccans and pagans believe? Do you have a book or website on the subject? I know with Catholics, everything we believe is spelled out in the Catechism. This book contains all the beliefs and rationale.
I really don't know anything about these...uh...faiths?...so please pardon me if my questions sound simplistic, but I really am curious.
Are pagans and wiccans the same thing or different?
Is there one set of beliefs or is it more along the Alester Crowley (sp?) line of "do as thou wilt" (or whatever)?
Do you believe in the paranormal?
Do you believe in an afterlife?
Do you believe that you can do magic?
Do you believe in astrology, tarot cards, crystal balls, etc?
How do you celebrate your beliefs? (alone and in community)
What is the basis for your system of morality?
Why do you believe we are on this planet Earth?
I know that covers a lot of ground. Maybe you can refer me to a website or something. | |
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| What do you believe?
Posted: 2/12/2005 5:08:43 AM | miss music, very nice, polite questions. we don't get much of that. i have an answer for you. several of them, in fact. i would have to do some surfing to come up with some legitimate websites. unfortunately there are a great many people who are out to capitalize on the resurgance of the old religions, and thus a lot of pure crap on the level of the psychic friends network floating around.
the words pagan and wiccan are usually used interchangeably, but they aren't the same. doubt you'd appreciate the difference, so there's no point going into that. they are both generic terms used to encompass a vast array of faiths, from celtic druidism, to shamanism, etc. what most of the old religions have in common are things like -1) reverance for nature, and the belief that we are meant to be the caretakers of our world, not make it our slave, 2)the belief that both the masculine AND feminine aspects of a supreme being and of humanity should be cherished,3) the belief that we are more than just our physical forms and that personal energy can be used to make changes in ourselves and our environment(this concept is backed by quantum physics and field theory),4) that the physical world should be celebrated, not denegrated, including all things sexual. doesn't necessarily imply promiscuity, as some have mistakenly assumed, but an attitude that sex is a gift of the gods, and nothing to be ashamed of.
this is the definition of magick, real magic, not prestiditation or tricks - using personal energy to affect a change in yourself or your environment. real magick is a subtle thing, and did you notice that it's definition is almost exactly the same as that of prayer? same principle.
i could go on and on, but as there is so much information on many different belief systems, i'll tell you something to read. the one book i always recommend to people who want to learn about the old religions is The Mists of Avalon, by marion zimmer-bradley. it spent a long time on the best-seller list, has been made into more than one movie, and is highly entertaining and informative, especially about the attitude of the old religions as opposed to christianity. the lady who wrote it really did her homework, so it is legitimately informative, while being a work of fiction. | |
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| What do you believe?
Posted: 2/13/2005 3:36:14 PM | Thanks Sidheanwwyn for your thought out response. If you do find any good websites on the topic, please let me know. I totally agree about there being a lot of misinformation on the internet. There is certainly tonnes about the Catholic faith!
About "pagan" vs "wiccan", I've always associated "wiccan" more with covens and witches while "pagan" seems more shamanic to me. I don't know if that's anywhere close to the truth though. It's just my impression.
I'm not sure how quantum physics and field theory are supposed to support the concept that physical forms and personal energy can be "used to make changes in ourselves and our environment". What is "personal energy"? Is it like the Oriental concept of "chi" or the East Indian concept of "chakras"?
About sex, I just have to take the opportunity to make one quick comment about Catholic beliefs on the subject because they are so often misunderstood and misquoted. Catholics also believe that sex is a gift (from God) and it can be beautiful and holy and absolutely FANTASTIC. However, we also say that this gift, like all gifts, can be mis-used and abused. (Kinda like matches. They can be used to create a fire for warmth or cooking but they can also be used for arson and to injure people.) Unfortunately, the popular press focuses solely on the teachings about avoiding abuse of sex and draws the erroneous conclusion that Catholics believe that sex is bad. Sigh.
Years ago, I read one book by Marion Zimmer-Bradley, can't remember which. I didn't enjoy the writing style, even though I am a fan of fantasy fiction. So, I've been avoiding the author. But, on your recommendation, I'll give Mists of Avalon a try. Maybe I will enjoy it now.
Anyhow, thanks again for your response. | |
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| What do you believe?
Posted: 2/14/2005 4:36:56 AM | I'm not sure how quantum physics and field theory are supposed to support the concept that physical forms and personal energy can be "used to make changes in ourselves and our environment". What is "personal energy"? Is it like the Oriental concept of "chi" or the East Indian concept of "chakras"?
really don't have the room to give a lecture on quantum mechanics, but will try to put across a few basic ideas. doesn't even begin to cover it though.
field theory; basically that everything that exists is tied together by the quantum field, like the jello in a jello salad. if you touch jello in one place, the rest of it moves, get the picture? since all things are interconnected, cause and effect, as far as a straight line goes is an illusion. it's more like, everything everywhere interreacting.
there is no difference between mind, matter, and energy. solid matter is an illusion, and any one of these three states can affect the other. part of what this means, as it relates to your questions, is that what we think and feel affects everything around us, that we are a part of our environment, not separate from it. this also means that we are responsible to it. quantum physicists have pretty much discarded the word "observer", in favor of the word "participant" when it comes to experimentation, because the mere act of observation changes the outcome of an experiment.
all this is really hard to explain in a small space, and this just scratches the surface. a lot of things, like the holographic nature of the universe, i'm not gonna get into here, but i can recommend another excellent book on the subject. it is a book about quantum physics that's written for laypeople, in easy to understand language - The Dancing Wu Li Masters, by gary zukav. think i mentioned it in an earlier post.
as far as chi and chakras, that's pretty much the idea, although most of the old religions had their own take on how personal energy functions and how to access it, and channel it. i dislike referring to ancient cultures as primitive, because in many ways they were very advanced, and understood on an instinctive level, concepts that we are just now rediscovering with the new physics. the druids understood that belief shapes reality, and that some things must be believed to be seen. quantum physicists, the "new magicians", are now proving that concept to be true.
hope some of this is helpful, and i will try to find a few legitimate sites on the web, not an easy task. | |
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| What do you believe?
Posted: 2/14/2005 8:51:27 AM | Missy, don't beleive the hype in here, MOST who call themselves "pagans" or "wiccans" are misguided and truly, would like to know (just as you would like to know). So they read books, and try things in the books and force themselves to believe that it worked - while if they only knew of the origin of the book's knowledge, and how distorted and dangerous it was intended to be, they'd probably cry in reguards to the misfornes in their lives- Laughs!.
Others are born in it, and are taught from birth, the true undeluted old ways which most "wiccans" and "pagans" and "goths" truly desire, and yet know so little about. So once again, if they give you a title, don't beleive the hype... I tried to post (twice) on your questions, but it didn't work.... so i'll try later. | |
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| What do you believe?
Posted: 2/14/2005 12:56:38 PM | | Can't argue the bible Soul? err ok i want to say YES i can and do with my mother constantly so don't even say we can't argue that book. Cause if ya want i will and can *snort* | |
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| What do you believe?
Posted: 2/14/2005 9:49:17 PM | Loci, I think he meant you can't argue the Bible with him, soulll. He's obviously closed his mind to any other option - even though I guarantee you, he's had no proof for his faith, and his obediance is not rewarded by the miracles the priest say Jesus promised.
Soulll answer me this,
If your savior showed himself to you, would you recognise him? How? | |
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| What do you believe?
Posted: 2/15/2005 2:10:10 AM | | dude, don't fall for it. that was yet another attempt to hijack a thread, that he's got no business in in the first place, by the ever-annoying soulll. he's not interested in a discussion, he just wants to start sh!t. he's been doing it all over these forums, and the only way to get him to stop is to ignore him. | |
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| What do you believe?
Posted: 2/15/2005 2:19:40 AM | Sorceress checking in.
Been involved with the arts for almost 15 years now. Can't say I'll ever get out of it.
oh and for the record, my pastor boyfriend is all for it. Has nothing to do with the devil and as long as I believe in something, he assures me that it's good enough with God because God is all things to all people, regardless of what the name is.
Blessed be, by the powers of three, make them see
Earth, wind, fire and rain, cover us now to cleanse our pain
North , East, South, And West, lead us steady to be our best
Heaven, Hell and all inbetween, embrace the spirit and be seen
(just a little blessing i wrote ages ago...sort of covers all bases when dealing with those who would wish to impose their beliefs or suppress us in our own) | |
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| What do you believe?
Posted: 2/15/2005 2:32:28 AM | I'll try my best, but closed minded people get to me... espcially when it's a christian who thinks his Savior looked like him....when in fact he looked closer to Usama!!!!
dC:( | |
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| What do you believe?
Posted: 2/15/2005 2:34:54 AM | | understand, but talking to him does absolutely no good. he never listens, and just wants to disrupt other people's conversation. | |
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| What do you believe?
Posted: 2/15/2005 2:43:01 AM | ^^^^agrees fully with sidhe. I figure if we ignore 666 he will just go away, or at the very least look ridiculous posting to himself.
And yes sidhe, you are most definately irrepressible. | |
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