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Posted: 10/27/2009 5:56:44 PM | | ^^^You were going with a '72 Steelers comment that I thought was based on my comment about last year's Steelers. I never refered to the '72 Steelers. I just figured it was safe to assume that the best teams were in the playoffs that year is all. Typically the best teams in the playoffs have the best records and the '72 Dolphins beat them. It's a crap shoot to say that if they were on a 16 game schedule they would have lost one of the two extra games and therefore are inferior to the '07 Pats. The Pats should have won the SB if you want them to be the best team ever. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 6:02:11 PM | | But what's considerd the best team in football? Winning a superbowl alone or stats? Stats show staying power. I mean you don't have to be good to win a superbowl all you have to do is ctach a break. I'll take my 05 steelers for example they were far from the best team going into the playoffs obv and even though they won the Superbowl that year they weren't the best team in football that year the Colts were. Yeah the Colts may have lost to the Steelers but when you are looking at overall stats Colts were the best team overall in that season. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 6:03:11 PM | Wow! Many good points made boys! Now i'm wondering where Just A Little is so i can ask him if he got the photo i left for him.  | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 6:13:10 PM |
But what's considerd the best team in football?
The '93 '94 Dallas Cowboys Super Bowl XVII and XVIII Champions
Back to back Baby  | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 10:17:59 PM | But what's considerd the best team in football?
The 49ers during the Montana era is what I consider to be the best teams in history. Those teams were full of HOF players and coaches.
Steel, not winning the Super Bowl means that the losing team wasn't the best in the league when it counted. If there was a three game series to decide the SB...I think the '07 Pats would have won the series. But, that's just not how football works. The G-spots were the better team that year. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 11:40:27 PM | | They were the best team to win that one game, but stastics are just not based upon 1 game, it's based on a series of games. I mean just because you win a Superbowl doesn't mean your the best team overall all of a sudden as if your defense and offense all of a sudden becomes number 1. A great team isn't defined by one game they are defined by what their overall stats are. | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 11:29:16 AM | ^^^You'll have to win more than one game to win a championship.
Are you seriosly tyring to tell me the SB champions isn't considered the number one team? Okaaaaay. It's your world Steel.
I have a feeling the '07 Pats won't be on the greatest teams of all time show on the NFL Channel. But, you know who is normally number one on shows like that...the '72 Dolphins. I wonder why.
Confusious say: Good team have good statistic. Great team win championship. lol | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 11:50:32 AM | Yes but what let me ask you this just because you win 2 or 3 games in a row and win a superbowl does that automatically make you the best in everything in the NFL? You just don't automatically become number 1 in everything if you win a superbowl title as if the title justifies everything else. You were good when you had to be yes, but you weren't the best team overall unless you have the stats to back that up as well.
No I’m saying being the Superbowl Champion doesn't justify automatically being the best in everything.
So you are saying the 07 pats won't ever be considerd one of the NFLs greatest teams because they lost one game. So winning 18 games striaght which no one did before is not considerd anything great? The Bills of the early 90's are considerd to be one of the NFL's greatest teams by many and they never won a Superbowl. Why? because they went to 4 striaght Superbowls which was something that no other team has ever done before, much like no other team has ever won 18 games in a row. I'll give you one more example what about the Pruple People Eaters Vikings are cosinderd by many to be one of the NFL's greatest teams and they never won a Superbowl either. Their stats and what they did during that time span is why they are considerd to be one of the NFL's greatest teams.
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Posted: 10/28/2009 12:38:53 PM | ^^^Good teams have stats to back it up. Great teams have championships.
Steel, I can't think of a SB winner who was number 1 in every facet of the game. But, I know who the best team in the league was by who gets deemed the best by the NFL. They're the team with the Lombardi Trophy. Second place is not a sign of greatness. | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 1:01:24 PM | Just passing by and read both of your points in greatest teams and Superbowl's. Thought I would throw a bone in. Stats are great and in one aspect you would think the team or player with the best stats will win it all. But history shows a different view when it comes to winning that last game and hold up that trophy. The team with the best stats is very rare to win it all actually. Football is more like, when your hot your hot and when your not you go home  Football depends on a healthy team. Star player shoots himself in leg, know what I mean  You can play great all year and when you lose key players your chances are  Every play counts so much in football. You can be up all game and in the last few seconds you can lose the game and no one will remember your stats. Steelers with 6 SB wins should say, hey we are the best of all time. Cowboys with 5 SB wins would say we are the best in the NFC. But its not like that. Its about winning that last game of the season. Teams come and go one year to be the best in the league and go 0-6 the year after is a reality, so the numbers don't mean so much. And every team has their fans even Detroit and the Browns and any other team that didn't win the big game ever or this year or last few years. But hey to them their team is Super! They are the ones who stay with their team through trial and error and win or lose they love the sport. Tip toeing out of here | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 1:23:04 PM | I don't think the Eagles are a great team and they have played in two Super Bowls and lost them both, not to mention all the nfc championship games they have played in and lost. There stats had to be good just to get to them games.
You just don't automatically become number 1 in everything if you win a superbowl title as if the title justifies everything else. You were good when you had to be yes, but you weren't the best team overall unless you have the stats to back that up as well.
The Giants became number 1 when they beat the Pats holding their high powered offense to only 14 points. That's a stat for the Giants defense along with winning the championship game. | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 4:27:37 PM | I wasn't implying that you have to have all the stats, to be the best and win the championship, I'm implying that one win doesn't make you automaticly the best as if you just take all the stats from all the other teams that had better then yours and become number 1 in everything just because you won a super bowl.
I mean if one game defines a best in the league would you really consider a sloppy game that ended up determining the winner of the super bowl to the best team in the leauge oyut of all the other teams based on that game alone? I wouldn't. | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 4:36:02 PM |
I wasn't implying that you have to have all the stats, to be the best and win the championship, I'm implying that one win doesn't make you automaticly the best as if you just take all the stats from all the other teams that had better then yours and become number 1 in everything just because you won a super bowl.
I'll buy that meaning Dallas were the better team when they played the steelers in SB X and XIII.
So technically going by what you say Dallas has 7 Super Bowls to Pittsburgh's 4 | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 4:40:02 PM | | I don't think Dallas was statically overall better then the Steelers in both super bowls coming in. I could be wrong I haven't checked out where each team ranked in the league statistically for each respective year. | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 6:10:06 PM | With that logic than the Giants won last year, we beat the contenders in the Superbowl before the Superbowl. Giants 21 Steelers 14, Giants 37 Arizona 29, | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 6:46:31 PM | Steel, I'll say it again...SB champions do not win just one game. They win a bunch of games to get to the SB and whoever wins is the better team. That team won when it counted the most.
This debate started with your assertion that the '07 Pats are better than the '07 Giants. If my memory suits me, the Giants were number 1 in rushing and I think defense. The Patriots were only the number one offense. That defense stopped the offense to win the championship. How do you figure the Patriots were the better team when they lost the SB? You must be looking at the offensive stats and want to imply that the Patriots had better all around numbers. The Giants were number 1 in a few categories, statistically speaking. Again, no team, that I can think has led the league, in all facets of the game. The old saying that 'defense wins championships' reigned true against the '07 Pats. | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 7:23:03 PM |
With that logic than the Giants won last year, we beat the contenders in the Superbowl before the Superbowl. Giants 21 Steelers 14, Giants 37 Arizona 29,
Giants lost last year. Eagles 23 Giants 11 | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 10:10:43 PM | Did the Giants win that game? Yes, does it mean that they are automatically just the best team overall in the NFL that season? Absolutely not. The 2007 Patriots were by far statically better overall than the 2007 Giants statically overall. And as I recall it was you that was not giving the 2007 Patriots proper recognition for winning 18 games in a row and somehow think that's not a great accomplishment and they shouldn't be considerd as one of the NFL greats due to one loss that came about in the Superbowl.
Yes defense wins games is the golden rule but occasionally that rule is broken. The Superbowl 34 champion Rams won the vast majority of thier whole entire season relying heavily on their offense to give them their championship.
The Giants weren't number 1 in rushing or in overall defense. But obv stats don't lie so let’s breakdown in detail why the 2007 Patriots were by far statically better overall then the 2007 Giants in the 2007 NFL season.
DEFENSE
Passing
6th New England Patriots
11th New York Giants
Rushing
8th New York Giants
10th New England Patriots
Receiving
9th New England Patriots
15th New York Giants
Sacks
1st New York Giants
2nd 2 New England Patriots
Scoring
4th New England Patriots
17th New York Giants
Touchdowns
10th New England Patriots
21st New York Giants
Tackles
18th New England Patriots
21st New York Giants
Interceptions
6th New England Patriots
20th New York Giants
Total Yards.
4th New England Patriots
7th New York Giants
OFFENSE
Passing
1st New England Patriots
21st New York Giants
Rushing
4th New York Giants
13th New England Patriots
Receiving
1st New England Patriots
22nd New York Giants
Kicking
8th New England Patriots
21th New York Giants
Field Goals
21st New York Giants
25th New England Patriots
Kick Returns
4th New England Patriots
7th New York Giants
Punting (higher ranking better)
24th New York Giants
32nd New England Patriots
Scoring
1st New England Patriots
14th New York Giants
Touchdowns
1st New England Patriots
11th New York Giants
Offensive Line
4th New England Patriots
5th New York Giants
Total Yards
3rd New England Patriots
6th New York Giants
16 out of 20 recorded stats show that the 2007 Patriots were statically better then the 2007 Giants in the 2007 regular season by a large margin. That's a 16 to 4 ratio diff out of 20 recorded league stats. Now let’s look at how many were 1st in league statics. The 2007 Patriots were 1st in the league four times statically the 2007 Giants were 1st in the league one time statically. So the 2007 Patriots had a 5 to 1 ratio diff in league leading stats.
This not only shows that the 2007 Patriots were statically were by far statically better overall than the 2007 Giants, but it also shows that statically overall that they were the best team in the league that year. Which concludes the reason in which I said the 2007 Patriots should be a considered as one of the great teams of the NFL regardless if they didn't win the Superbowl, because their winning streak and their statics proves that they deserve that recognition.
Well then jac then you missed that logic completely. That statement was inregards to statics not winning one game. | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 10:20:18 PM | | Time to tale my mind off baseball and talk some football. I my opiooooooon The Steelers of the 70's was the best team ever.They won 4 superbowls beat the Cowboys twice and have more HOFERS Then the Cowboys from that era.I believe they had 8,Imight be missing another one. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 12:52:35 AM | The 07 season the people will always be more obsessed with the Patriots accomplishments compared what the Giants did. Sure winning the big game is important, but that year and the teams the Patriots went against was the toughest anyone can go against that season, let alone the numbers they also put up.
I have said this before, the Patriots are the greatest team ever put together....And the Giants are only SB champions (one time wonders). I had to add that in because it's true....  | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 2:18:51 AM |
but that year and the teams the Patriots went against was the toughest anyone can go against that season
Why the Giants won the SB toughest team that year. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 3:00:56 PM | Why the Giants won the SB toughest team that year.
the giants won that game on a miracle play, a win is a win.
this years saints have the right idea score enough points, so that you dont lose on a miracle or freak play. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 7:56:27 PM |
the giants won that game on a miracle play
That's what it was....A "miracle play". | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 8:11:17 PM |
the giants won that game on a miracle play, a win is a win.
If that was a miracle play then how many games over the years have the Cowboys won over the years on miracle plays?
Hail Mary vs Vikings in the Playoffs?
Clint Longley Thanksgiving Thursday vs Redskins?
1972 Playoffs vs the 49ers come from 18 points behind with 7 minuites to play?
Danny White come from behind vs the Falcons in the 1980 playoff game? | |
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