| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/6/2009 11:35:22 AM | Biggs' plea for freedom was that he was no longer a risk and was of ill health and whilst this was accepted was refused on the grounds of showing no remorse which is a requirement for parole. How has demonstrated remorse since the last lost appeal?
Ill health should not be a factor or even personal circumstances should be considered before a custodial sentence be given or not and for how long. If you are convicted of a crime you must serve the punishment and if others suffer because of it, tough.
Robert Reynolds the loan shark was spared jail because of ill health yesterday and makes me sick, he is ill so can carry on his life? where is the punishment and deterrent not just to him but too others. | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/6/2009 12:32:36 PM | release now granted on compassionate grounds ... though he is unlikely to leave hospital or recover
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/6/2009 12:40:51 PM | Not sure how long Ronnie Biggs is predicted to live for after being released, but I don't think he is going to be living it up if he is so ill and will now so t seems from reading the reports he will live out his days in a hospital bed.
The difference between the two institutions now is that he will be allowed to have free reign on who visits the hospital which he couldn't have in prison. I do wonder what the security or police bill for him being in hospital will be and who is going to be responsible for funding it after all this time.
I don't somehow see him being treated as a normal nhs patient - do you?  | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/6/2009 12:42:50 PM | | not a hero in my thoughts, if he can not be bothered to show compassion,then hope he dies in the same way as the guy who got attacked in the robbery in the first place, would be poetic justice..... | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/6/2009 1:30:33 PM | the robbery was in 1963
the guard died of leukaemia in 1970
biggs is now 80 cant feed his self cant walk they should let him out he will be in a home with nurses he needs 24 hour care look at reggie kray they let him out he died a few weeks after
biggs didnt kill no one he just made the authorities look stupid thats why they all got long time in the shovel
time to let him out in my opinion | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/6/2009 1:32:42 PM | I dont think it was ever proven that Biggs was the one who hit the train driver over the head, and he died 7 years later of Leaukemia.
What about the Lockerbie bomber who was found guilty of bringing down a plane that killed how many ?, seems they are thinking of releasing him on compassionate grounds because he has Prostate Cancer and wants to live out the rest of his days in his own country. | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/6/2009 1:38:56 PM | | I think he should be released. Although he committed a terrible crime he did make some kind of recompense making a lot of children happy with his wonderful books. 'The Snowman' was fantastic,and i really enjoyed 'When the wind blows'. | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/6/2009 1:44:56 PM |
Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Absolutely!
If he hadn't gone over the wall, he would have been free by now.
Only one person is to blame for him being behind bars right now, and it's not the Home Secretary..... | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/6/2009 1:56:46 PM | It's funny how some people glamorise some violent scum but not others.
He knew what would happen if he returned to the UK - he spent decades avoiding British justice - so to get all dewy-eyed now is a bit much.
That said, it's unlikely that he's a threat to anyone at his age and there are more dangerous criminals that need to be locked up so...
...can we build more prisons now please?! | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/8/2009 5:49:05 PM | I think common sense has prevailed on this situation, I mean it has become common practice for prisoners to be released early due to how full the prisons currently are! Many of those released still pose a risk to society, however, I don’t think the same can be said about a man who is on his deathbed, being tube fed, etc. Additionally, he never harmed anyone in the crime (yes, the train driver died several years after being hit on the head, but no one has ever been found guilty of that)...
I am with the OP, he is a legend and an iconic figure (rightly or wrongly) | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/8/2009 6:27:25 PM | | The robbery was in 1963, the guard died in 1970 of leukemia and it wasn't proven Biggs hit him. The 'great train robbers' were given huge sentences as a deterrent and because of the audacity of their crime. Biggs escaped and eventually came back a sick old man and no threat to society. "Scum"? I think I'd reserve that sort of remark for the guy who drove through a city centre at 80mph on the wrong side of the road to evade police - because he had 5kg of cocaine in his boot - he got 3 years. | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/9/2009 1:24:27 AM |
"Scum"? I think I'd reserve that sort of remark for the guy who drove through a city centre at 80mph on the wrong side of the road to evade police
So, Biggs doesn't qualify as being 'scum'?
Let's look at the facts, shall we?
Btw, Jack Mills was the train driver, not the guard, and he had bravely refused to move the train when the gang realised that their man hadn't a clue as to how to drive it. True, Biggs wasn't the man who struck him, but the blow from an iron bar was aimed at his eye - this just shows the level of company with which Biggs had chosen to associate. Mills did not die from those injuries, but his final few years were spent in pain due to severe headaches from that blow to the face.
Biggs had a string of previous convictions, including some for drugs manufacture, and was plainly a career criminal. He has not shown the slightest remorse for his choice of career, for any of his victims, nor for Jack Mills - in fact, he has revelled in the notoriety he achieved due to his escape from prison, which elevated him from his lowly position in the gang.
The man is plainly 'scum', andwe should be grateful that he wasn't able to continue his criminal activities from the time of his first capture.
I truly hope he spends the next few years before his death in agony, just like Jack Mills did.
Oh, it seems now that not only does one serve 10 years after being convicted of 30, but that one can choose which 10 one serves.
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/9/2009 1:32:15 AM | Him and his family finally got what they wanted, a final "in yer face" to the British Judicial System.
He'd been doing it for nearly 40 years, making money out of it in Brasil and has now managed to do it again.
There are plenty of people who die in prison in this country, yet after his complete and utter disregard and evasion of justice, they release him?!!
That famous saying comes to mind on this one.......Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!
Well done Britain, shame on you! | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/9/2009 6:00:52 AM | I have to wonder if you'll be saying the same about Ian Huntley or Peter Sutcliffe when they're old and frail too!
Alright, they're different crimes and different people, but a crime is a crime and a punishment should be seen out regardless. | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/9/2009 6:14:49 AM | but a crime is a crime
As far as I am aware crimes are put into different categories
I do not envy people who view a shoplifter and rapist as the same in any way, shape or form
and a punishment should be seen out regardless
In theory, you are right, but we all know how flawed our justice system is. Out of all the prisoners to be either considered for release, or released to help tackle the problem of overcrowding, Mr Biggs has to be one of the safest options. Therefore, the Parole Board and Justice Secretary (Jack Straw) got it spot-on in my opinion | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/9/2009 7:17:07 AM | Pretty much a moot point as far as I can see. He is a free man now, the only difference to him is that he no longer has prison guards at his beside.
What difference does it make to the rest of us? Absolutely none, except we're not paying for those guards.
Ronnie Biggs made his choices in life. Had he not run, he would have ended his days in freedom and sunshine having paid his debt. | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/9/2009 1:31:12 PM | | i remember the great train robbery .and the pe ople in the north were hoping he would get away when they were looking for him .i think he has done is time child abusers and murderers dont get half as much as he got .although the money hasnt done him any good now all the money in the world wont stop him from dying .let him enjoy the days hes got left . | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/9/2009 6:25:45 PM | let him enjoy the days hes got left
Yes the same way he and the other robbers left the train driver to enjoy the rest of his life...
He is a free man now...Shame that!!!!!!!!
Ronnie Biggs made being a criminal pay... He served his time only when he was ill,nearly penniless and when he wanted!
If he had done his time when the others did, he would have been a free man years ago
Ronnie Biggs had the last laugh on everyone ! | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/9/2009 6:50:52 PM | remember the great train robbery .and the pe ople in the north were hoping he would get away when they were looking for him
People in the north? Are you saying that anyone north of the Watford gap has no sense of justice? We in in the north are as outraged as anyone about a career criminal escaping justice as anyone else, talk sense woman! | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/10/2009 5:58:41 AM | What he did, how long his sentence was and all that nonsense is totally irrelevant.
He received a sentence at the time (whether we think that was too long or not is tough), he absconded for nigh on 40 years, the whole time laughing in the face of the British Justice System. He came back knowing full well he was on his last legs and that he'd be able to, yet again, get one over on this country and get this ridiculous release cos he's about to die.
Let's remember this man helped plan the Great Train Robbery, so he's a good planner. So he plans to spend as little time in prison as possible and he wins, which doesn't say a lot for the justice system at all in my opinion.
Oh and I'm also a Northerner  | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/10/2009 6:07:48 AM | This thread amazes me.
So many PoFers willing to condem people to death or a life of imprisonment in a hell hole for what was for most a spur of the moment stupid descision too carry drugs.
Here is a man who (for months) planned and conived one of the biggest robberies on British soil. He colluded with men that were prepared to murder innocents because of their greed.
He then escaped and has sticken two fingers up to authorities ever since. Only coming back to the UK to sponge of the NHS. | |
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| Should Ronnie biggs be a free man now?
Posted: 8/10/2009 8:18:20 AM | Ronald Biggs...minor part in an armed robbery, sentence 34 years.
Murderers of Baby P, who also raped another child, sentence 5 years.
You have your answer. | |
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