| | GMO issue.Page 6 of 7 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7) | made me wonder if it's not already here when i saw the Boston Pizza ad this spring showing off boneless hot wings
Wow...You know what? I forgot all about this episide from "The Odd Couple" about 20(?) years ago.
Felix and Oscar were talking about dinner and Felix said they were having boneless chicken. Oscar said "Boneless chicken?"
Felix replied "yes"
Oscar then said "How did it walk?"
I thought it was funny at the time, but...
It's all making sense now!!!! | |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 9:25:13 AM | | I've heard of reports of animals refusing to eat genetically modified food. Generally animals are good at telling what is good to eat and what isn't. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 4:36:31 PM | >>>I've heard of reports of animals refusing to eat genetically modified food./so apparently there's GMO grass that produces it's own cyanide.
And I heard reports that the song "roller coaster" had a clip of a woman being murdered- but upon further inspection, I found that that wasn't true.
Oftentimes, that's the case on things you find on the internet- you gotta source for that "report"? Otherwise, It's gunna hafta join the list of other internet garbage that I cannot believe....
>>>Not only that once the damage is done it will be very difficult and very expensive (if possible at all) to reverse.
No country or business in the world keeps track of food strains? People have been keeping track of food strains for nearly 1000 years!
>>>Europe has for the most part been very steadfast in its opposition to GMO even though the EU has tried to have it introduced.
"Europe"? What parts? How much? I appreciate you creating conclusions for us, but it'd make things a hell of alot easier if you respect us enough to give us your sources....
>>>We can only hope people continue to hold their ground because for major corporations to patent and control the global food supply is one of the greatest abominations imaginable.
Ugh. Why do these conversations always lead to an anti-corporate message? Its as if the entire argument against GMO's has nothing to do with the character of them, and everything to do with pushing a political agenda through fear. | |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 9:41:52 AM | To address some concerns expressed regarding allegations made in this thread, here is one study regarding a GMO:
http://www.biolsci.org/v05p0706.htm
And here are a few articles referencing other studies on GMOs:
http://www.qwmagazine.com/2012/06/14/brazilian-farmers-win-2-billion-judgment-against-monsanto/
http://www.gmfreecymru.org/news/Press_Notice10Mar2008.html
http://aaemonline.org/gmopost.html | |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 1:35:53 PM | Well, keeping in mind of Dukky's strict "No Agenda" policy for sources, the GM Free Cymru would definitely not fit that criteria...they are, after all, lobbyists about keeping GMO's off the streets....
Still, I have read alot of these articles you've provided, and they don't seem to address the comments I was responding to or the comments made in these forums....for example, there's no mention of "animals not eating it, because animals can sense these things", or that these companies are attempting to kill us with full stomachs.
Would you agree that those comments are simply fear mongering, and have no place in a serious discussion? | |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 3:24:23 PM | Who said I have a strict "no agenda" policy for sources?? Certainly not me. EVERYONE has an agenda, including me. To deny that would be denial of the very nature of the human animal. The real question ought to be the motive behind the agenda. In my own case, I'm motivated by a caring for my family, their health and a caring for my fellow man. IMO, that beats the corporate agenda of profit above all every time.
It wasn't my intention to address all your critiques of the other posts here, and I didn't want to waste my time chasing down rumours. I have my suspicions, but that's all they are. I'm not going to do their debating for them.
Regarding the fear mongering comments with allegedly no place in a serious discussion, I'd say that they only have a place in serious discussion if the allegations can be backed up with facts. Whether or not the comments are fear mongering is not for me to decide…I can't know the minds or motives of the people who may have said them; therefore I can't say with conviction that they are or are not fear-mongering | |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 4:49:47 AM | World’s First Genetically Modified Babies Born
Breaking News | June 27, 2012
(Michael Hanlon) The world’s first genetically modified humans have been created, it was revealed last night.
The disclosure that 30 healthy babies were born after a series of experiments in the United States provoked another furious debate about ethics. So far, two of the babies have been tested and have been found to contain genes from three ‘parents’. Fifteen of the children were born in the past three years as a result of one experimental program at the Institute for Reproductive Medicine and Science of St Barnabas in New Jersey. The babies were born to women who had problems conceiving. Extra genes from a female donor were inserted into their eggs before they were fertilized in an attempt to enable them to conceive.
full story at
http://govtslaves.info/worlds-first-genetically-modified-babies-born/
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what's the point of having sex any more if they're going to be doing this? it's like owning a Ferrari but you're stranded on a deserted island... | |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 5:30:14 AM |
The technique -- which is called ooplasmic transfer -- involves taking the contents of a donor egg from a fertile female and injecting it into the infertile woman's egg along with the fertilizing sperm from her mate.
New Jersey's Institute for Reproductive Medicine and Science of St. Barnabas has used the technique to produce the 15 babies. The oldest turns four years old in a month, said scientific director, Dr. Jacques Cohen.
The institute was the first to use the technique but another 15 babies have been born following the use of the technique at other facilities, he said.
The researchers believe the technique helps women conceive who have been unable to do so because of defects in their eggs.
I've no issue with this. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 10:39:58 AM | The FDA, in the states is full of ex Monsanto Executives....Jiperty...you check it out...don't be lazy now. Its a fact. So if you want some government organization to prove or show proof of GMO food risks...well you can forget it. Plus Monsanto is a large organization that makes major bucks...I am sure many representatives have money invested in these corporations, don't expect the truth.
There are hundreds of studies world wide that prove the instability of GMO foods and the harm they have done..such as loss of Sperm in young men...fertility Clinics are booming, Viagra anyone...hybrid is just as bad...look at the wheat we eat high in Gluten..obesity..diabetes..you want the proof just look at how many people suffer from these maladies. Hybrid grass in Texas has turned into cyanide and killed the cattle on one farm and found out on other farms that the grass is giving off Cyanide...
Hybrid and GMO grass study and the advent of toxic pesticides
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/07/engineered-bluegrass/
Sometimes it isn't the grass but the pesticide that kills us because we have to use it.
http://www.safelawns.org/blog/index.php/2011/08/the-frankenlawn-update-wheres-the-outcry-to-stop-gmo-grass-seed/
Sometimes its the Hybrid done by HUMANs thats the problem
http://www.examiner.com/article/gmo-food-hybrid-poison-grass-that-kills-texas-cattle-not-genetically-modified
http://www.examiner.com/article/gmo-food-hybrid-poison-grass-that-kills-texas-cattle-not-genetically-modified
Hybrids that are natural take thousands of yrs for nature to produce because nature also creates it enemies such as disease..these hybrid created by nature have already been tested by nature to resist those diseases. Naturally!! without Science...
Lets look at Corn
http://www.raw-wisdom.com/50harmful.
http://www.biolsci.org/v05p0706.htm
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/01/09/gm-corn-poses-health-hazard.aspx
GMO are the extension of Hybrid science...I got absolutely no faith in Science unless its for 'NOT MAKING PROFIT SCIENCE" that tells us the truth. Don't expect the government to say anything, they might lose votes. Now there are pros and cons to the argument of GMOs, I prefer a longer study to possible side effects not a month or two on Rats. Those, I am going to save the world scientist, that work for the corporations I feel sometimes needs there head examined. "Look at what we did, put a scorpion gene in Tomatoes that resisted the blyte...Growing apples that don't bruise...really....Watermelon without seeds..so you can't plant them...etc etc"...the control of all the food and seed is not what we should be trying to create. Corporatization is a disease. Ever wonder where all the radiation went after the testing of above ground atomic weapons went...all over the US and Canada...right after that Cancer became a plague and a hole in the Ozone. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2012 6:44:49 PM | I really like the idea of GMO. It is just a more advanced version of what we have been doing forever. What I don't get is to engineer the seeds to resist specific brands of poison and then to patent those seeds and sue everyone on the planet that has them blown or contaminated in some benign way.
Big red tomatoes that taste good because of selective enhancements of genetics are great. Resisting 'round up' herbicide is really kind of screwed up and unless that practice was fully disclosed and making the patent invalid to show that it is a totally natural process being followed then I am not comfortable.
However, 3rd world countries could use the boost in production. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2012 6:55:00 PM | | Dead on Aires...the GMOs are being created to use specific patented products to grow the food. That does not mean that the food is good for us, just the pesticides. I like to see long term studies...there is no hurry to change the food supply at this time. Its not needed. I was a bee keeper yrs ago...to day the bees are dying...I think its the nicotine in the pesticides..but I really don't know...but the bees are dying at an alarming rate. We need bees. There is something amiss. And I don't trust the Government for the truth. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2012 1:04:22 PM |
World’s First Genetically Modified Babies Born
Breaking News | June 27, 2012
Yeah, gee. Breaking news from 2001. Gosh, news travels so fast on these interwebs!
http://humupd.oxfordjournals.org/content/7/4/428.full.pdf
what's the point of having sex any more if they're going to be doing this? Are you seriously asking this question? What does "the point of having sex" have to do with couples seeking medical help in order to conceive? | |
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Posted: 9/12/2012 8:42:10 PM | As usual this type of subject has attraced every uninformed mass media brainwashed lying idiot trolls on the pof forums.
Case in point > 1
Bacteria and viruses insert genetic material in these plant species "in nature" almost exactly like they do "in the lab."
Please demonstrate where human, fish or other animal genes insert themselves into plants.
> 2 This has to be one of the most ignorant & stupidest statements ever made.
- I simply stated that there is no health risk ever found in Genetically Modified foods,
http://www.ghorganics.com/GM%20food%20can%20cause%20cancer.htm
These forums have the largest amount of the most stupid idiot trolls on the entire internet & is a waste of time trying to have an intelligent discussion here without being trolled out of existence by zombies. | |
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Posted: 9/20/2012 9:27:31 AM | "Scientists found that rats exposed to even the smallest amounts, developed mammary tumors and severe liver and kidney damage as early as four months in males, and seven months for females."
Learn more: http://naturalnews.com/037249_GMO_study_cancer_tumors_organ_damage.html#ixzz275w4cWj0
The study, led by Gilles-Eric Seralini of the University of Caen, was the first ever study to examine the long-term (lifetime) effects of eating GMOs. You may find yourself thinking it is absolutely astonishing that no such studies were ever conducted before GM corn was approved for widespread use by the USDA and FDA, but such is the power of corporate lobbying and corporate greed.
Learn more: http://naturalnews.com/037249_GMO_study_cancer_tumors_organ_damage.html#ixzz275wLE9Gd
http://naturalnews.com/037249_GMO_study_cancer_tumors_organ_damage.html | |
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Posted: 9/20/2012 9:33:12 AM | Just a bit of other info not related to GMO.
Did you know that the sodium fluoride in your toothpaste & drinking water is an industral waste & toxic poison ???
Since the 1940's fluoride is used in toothpaste and is added to drinking water in many countries around the world. The dental profession claims that fluoride is safe and necessary for good dental health.
Fluoride is actually toxic waste from the aluminium, phosphoric acid and phosphate fertilizer industries. Millions of tons of fluoride are produced each year. http://mbschachter.com/dangers_of_fluoride_and_fluorida.htm
Up until the 1930's, fluoride was discharged directly into the air and waterways, causing great damage. Lawsuits were mounting as people figured out that their health problems were caused by fluoride. The industry's response was to change the public's perception of fluoride
. Many 'scientific' studies were presented to convince the public that fluoride was safe. Lucrative positions were created for 'research' and 'education' with the express purpose of promoting the use of fluoride in toothpaste and in drinking water.
Instead of paying millions for disposal of this toxic waste, fluoride was now being sold to toothpaste and water companies!
Watch this report on Today Tonight Australia. And you can also find out more about it on the internet & youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju4skON4Qds Another Australian report. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SYgUi_f5yY Here is a full documentary on the poisonous sodium fluoride in your water toothpaste. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFpbwsITZtI
People should be aware that the fluoride in your toothpaste & water has never been proven to be safe by any government agency or any scientific or medical studies anywhere in the world.
There have been studies linking fluoride to lowering the IQ of up to 20 points in children, bone cancer in adolecent boys, and a massive increase in many types of cancers since the introduction of fluoride in water supplies.
"In point of fact, fluoride causes more human cancer death, and causes it faster than any other chemical."--Dean Burk -- Congressional Record 21 July 1976
"They (ACS) lie like scoundrels."----Dean Burk, Ph.D., 34 years at the National Cancer Institute. —
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzgKA5zMitQ&feature=youtu.be
BPA is the hidden in chemical in many of our most common food and drink products, and a debate is raging about how harmful it is to our health. http://au.news.yahoo.com/today-tonight/consumer/article/-/12940942/bpa-chemical-dangers/
The Rothschild's. The people who run the world > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym4TTmOJ4I8
History of the Rothschild's > http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm
It's about time people started to wake up to what is going on in this world ! The Money Masters. A documentary everyone needs to see. These same bankers also control the Australian Federal government & the Reserve bank of Australia the way they control the US Federal government & the Federal Reserve in the US. Most of your taxes go straight to the elite Rothschild banking group. They are responsible for all major global wars of the last few centuries & every national & international recession & depression & every nation's foreign debt. Youtube link to the documentary The Money Masters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt1cayx0hs
QLD & Federal governments are poisoning you. They don't care & they wont stop ! Liz Hayes of Sixty Minutes spent a hellish few weeks, witnessing the effects of these poisons in other countries. And it's a horror show. Liz met a young man with no eyes, saw fish with two heads and trekked to a village full of horribly deformed children. And visited a farm on Queensland's Sunshine Coast where the animals are dying. Armed only with her video camera, this Queensland fish breeder is trying to protect her home. From deadly chemicals being sprayed on the macadamia farm next door. LIZ HAYES: I love fruit and vegetables, but now I'm worried about what might have been sprayed on them, because foods like avocados, potatoes, tomatoes, broccoli, capsicum, cauliflower - even eggplant - are all regularly sprayed with a pesticide called endosulfan. And other fruits and vegetables, including one of my favourites, strawberries, are sprayed with a fungicide called carbendazim. Both these poisons have been banned or withdrawn from sale from so many countries around the world. But here in Australia, those poisons are used on food that you and I eat every day. I don't think the average person knows what chemicals they may be exposed to?
Poisoned - 60 Minutes Story From Australia - 13 Minutes 51 Seconds - Fruit and veges are supposed to be the healthy option. But what if we were to tell you that Australia's fruit and vegetables are sprayed with chemicals that are considered so dangerous they're banned around the world? http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7273 Latest news.
According to Dr. Boian Alexandrov at the Center for Nonlinear Studies at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, terahertz (THz) waves destroy human DNA. The waves literally unzip the helix strand. Now a team of technologists at UT Dallas are planning to take chips broadcasting THz waves and embed them into mobile phones for use as an imaging system for consumers, law enforcement and medical personnel... a potentially deadly technology that could eventually kill or sicken millions of people. http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2075/733/DNA-Destroying_Chip_Being_Embedded_Into_Mobile_Phones. | |
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Posted: 9/20/2012 11:06:06 AM |
Just a bit of other info not related to GMO.
Wait a minute!?!?
Seriously?!?
Soylent Green is made of PEOPLE? | |
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Posted: 9/20/2012 1:20:30 PM |
Since the 1940's fluoride is used in toothpaste and is added to drinking water in many countries around the world. The dental profession claims that fluoride is safe and necessary for good dental health.
Fluoride is actually toxic waste from the aluminium, phosphoric acid and phosphate fertilizer industries. Millions of tons of fluoride are produced each year. http://mbschachter.com/dangers_of_fluoride_and_fluorida.htm
Up until the 1930's, fluoride was discharged directly into the air and waterways, causing great damage. Lawsuits were mounting as people figured out that their health problems were caused by fluoride. The industry's response was to change the public's perception of fluoride
. Many 'scientific' studies were presented to convince the public that fluoride was safe. Lucrative positions were created for 'research' and 'education' with the express purpose of promoting the use of fluoride in toothpaste and in drinking water. lol, give me a f****ing break.
You're seriously trying to convince people that for the last 70 years we've been putting toxic waste in our mouths as part of a giant conspiracy to save money from disposing of it? Really? When you make up a story, at least make it believeable. And putting quotes around words like 'scientific' and 'research' etc is so tacky.
The CDC provides a nice summary of some of the studies that reveal the benefits of it. http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/systematic.htm | |
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Posted: 9/20/2012 11:45:14 PM |
You're seriously trying to convince people that for the last 70 years we've been putting toxic waste in our mouths as part of a giant conspiracy to save money from disposing of it?
They need convincing?
Where there's a buck involved, no conspiracy theory could be considered too outlandish to be true. Hell, if I were a corporation having trouble with disposing of hazardous waste, spending a few bucks on a phoney study or two to create a market where I could actually SELL waste that was previously COSTING me money is exactly what I would do. I'd have to be nuts not to, wouldn't I? | |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 7:48:14 AM | It is hard to persuade people when their views differ based on an assumption of authority. But whether the various persons or groups to whom we attribute authority differ in their assessments, we should look at all the information and consider all the sources and then make a value judgment.
Some people add a little more weight to the side of issue that cause the least amount of work of inconvenience to themselves and some people consider all the possible harmful effects that the issue could cause to others.
Some poeple tend to accept a certain amount of risk and others prefer to play it safe.
So I was thinking, at what point does taking a risk start to diminish. For example ....
Several of the GMO products that Monsanto is pushing have been genetically modified to be "Round-up" resistant.
Round-up is one of the major week control chemicals, a huge money-maker for Monsanto. When the weeds that Round-up was meant to destry, started to become resistant to the treatment Monsanto had to protect its profits.
Now we know that Round-up is very toxic to the environment including humans and animal life. And we know that food has been and can contine to be grown without it. But its simply more convenient in large-scale farming to continue to use the toxic chemicals.
But now we need to use a lot more to kill the super weeds. So GMO was the answer Monsanto came up with. Make the food seed resistant to the chemicals that can kill it.
FINALLY - after knowing all that, many people are still willing to take the risk that GMO seed produces a safe product. Here's another view.
Those weeds that have become resistant to Round-up, are they weeds that humans normally eat for food? I haven't found any that would qualify as safe food for humans to eat. We don't want the weeds becasue they are not food, and they take the nutrients out of the ground that feeds our food.
But now we think that making our food genetically similar to weeds that are often harmful when ingested is a safe and ok thing. For those who whould take the risk, why not eat the weeds? Now if you have any allergies to those weeds (hayfever, asthma, bronchitis or skin rashes) even if you could eat those weeds for food, would you?
But poeple who have known allergies, also know what weeds affect them. What they don't know is what allgens lurk under the UNTOLD label of GMO products. Care to eat a weed? | |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 9:10:00 AM |
Those weeds that have become resistant to Round-up, are they weeds that humans normally eat for food? I haven't found any that would qualify as safe food for humans to eat. We don't want the weeds becasue they are not food, and they take the nutrients out of the ground that feeds our food.
Those weeds that have become resistant to Round-up, are they weeds that humans normally eat for food? I haven't found any that would qualify as safe food for humans to eat. We don't want the weeds becasue they are not food, and they take the nutrients out of the ground that feeds our food.
But now we think that making our food genetically similar to weeds that are often harmful when ingested is a safe and ok thing. For those who whould take the risk, why not eat the weeds? Now if you have any allergies to those weeds (hayfever, asthma, bronchitis or skin rashes) even if you could eat those weeds for food, would you?
But poeple who have known allergies, also know what weeds affect them. What they don't know is what allgens lurk under the UNTOLD label of GMO products. Care to eat a weed?
How many logical fallacies exist here?
Weeds have become resistant to roundup. Weeds are bad food.
Because weeds are becoming resistant to weed killer GMO resistant seeds grow weeds
GMO food is therefore a weed and is bad food.
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Posted: 9/21/2012 5:24:53 PM | aries_328
Weeds have become resistant to roundup. Weeds are bad food.
Because weeds are becoming resistant to weed killer GMO resistant seeds grow weeds
GMO food is therefore a weed and is bad food.
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Could you ask a more specific question about what it is you don't understand? | |
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Posted: 9/24/2012 5:58:40 AM |
You're seriously trying to convince people that for the last 70 years we've been putting toxic waste in our mouths ....
Not trying to convince anyone of anything, just stating the facts.
There are miles of information proving fluoride is quite a bad toxic poison provided by the worlds top experts.
And saving the cost of destroying it is actually one of the least reasons for poisoning humans with it.
I guess an ignorant person like yourself doesn't know there has been a worldwide warning about not making up baby formula with fluoridated tap water or fluoridated water in any form.
Oh, & the link you provided, standard government total bullshit propaganda for pig ignorant sheeple like you. | |
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Posted: 9/24/2012 6:01:22 AM | The CSIRO & the Australian Federal Government is intent on murdering as many Australians as possible with deadly GMO wheat !!!!!!!
Expert scientists warn that genetically modified wheat may cause Glycogen Storage Disease IV, resulting in
an enlarged liver, cirrhosis of the liver, and failure to thriv
e. Children born with this disease usually die at about the age of 5.
Australia is on track to be the first country in the world to grow GM wheat commercially, and to test this in human feeding trials.
http://safefoodfoundation.org/wordpress/?page_id=915 | |
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Posted: 9/24/2012 7:48:27 AM | Release the tinfoil beanie squad!
http://safefoodfoundation.org/wordpress/?page_id=915
Wow! I mean, ...woo.
Not a peer-reveiwed science journal, but a website started by a guy who owns some organic-food grocery stores and another guy who started a gardening club.
The "Experts" offer their opinions not based on actual details (both admit that they don't know them) of the GMO wheat in question, the only institutional approval to be found in both opinions is letter-head.
Cue the conspiracy theorists...
Soon I shall be accused of being a Rothschild. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2012 5:09:24 AM |
a website started by a guy who owns some organic-food grocery stores and another guy who started a gardening club.. Soon I shall be accused of being a Rothschild.
It has nothing to do with the website owner air bag, but rather the interview with the scientists that is what is relevent.
I'm glad you don't direct traffic. | |
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