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 dmotz

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Posted: 2/23/2009 8:06:07 AM
Blacksheep....

The Republicans created an extraordinary deep financial hole among other things which will require equally extraordinary tactics to climb this country out of.


While I will not deny this statement is indeed fact, I will ask you who has had control of the purse strings for the past two years? The Democrats are just as responsible as the Republicans. The House and Senate are the ones with the committees. Like Barney and housing..
All of our politicians played the game and we the people lost. The stimulus package that Bush put out and the one Obama is putting out will do nothing for the economy. It will only help a select few in the corporate world. The housing industry is in trouble because of bad loans to people who could not afford them. The Auto industry is in trouble because of the union greed and poor management. Lets be honest here...who can afford to pay $30,000 for a plastic car?
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 2/23/2009 11:36:35 AM
GWB had congress for 6 years............. Its Barney Frank. Sure.

Bush pumped a trillion dollars into Fannie and Freddie keeping the US out of resession. Home ownership belongs to Bush as much as anyone.


The housing problem ........bundled loans rated "AAA" ...then insure the package



Cars are in trouble because the market shrunk 5 million units or 33%........

Did the unions create this problem??
 CountIbli

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Posted: 2/24/2009 10:21:44 PM
This is the same old song and dance that's been going on for centuries. Problem-Reaction-Solution. Government creates a problem (either through malice or incompetence), waits for the reaction from the people, and then offers itself as the solution to the problem. Repeat cycle.
 Larissan04

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Posted: 3/1/2009 2:33:39 AM
cotter`

aren't you a nurse or something? i don't think you need to worry about job security. with this bail out there are going to be many people seeking medical care...

i think the psychs are going to see their business boom too...

this bail out is absolutely crazy...and this new budget is absolutely ridiculous!

all i want to know is who is going to bail out the bail out when those who have been bailing can no longer bail?

lar
 Larissan04

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Posted: 3/1/2009 2:35:39 AM
jack~

the bush admin warned the dem congress seventeen times in 2008 alone that freddie and fannie were a problem. greenspan warned about it back in 2005.

the fact is, the dems basically fought every piece of legislation calling for reg of fannie and freddie...

lar
 EarlzP

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Posted: 3/1/2009 4:20:15 AM

the bush admin warned the dem congress seventeen times in 2008 alone that freddie and fannie were a problem. greenspan warned about it back in 2005.

the fact is, the dems basically fought every piece of legislation calling for reg of fannie and freddie…


One week before the economy was officially in the tank Bush said the fundamentals of our economy are still strong, his cohort McCain repeated their manta and then his buddy Phil Graham called the American people a bunch of whiners, those are the FACTS.

If Bush told us of a problem with Fannie and Freddie he must have been whispering can you show some links, maybe he did it in one of his addresses to the nation?

Finally we have a president who reaches out to us to get things done a president that knows that it’s the American people that he has been elected to represent, we got lucky to have Obama elected President
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 3/1/2009 7:45:01 AM
Bush pumped Billions into Fannie and Freddie to help the home builders.....

FHA loans 103%? no downpayment? Illegals working under the table?




http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/housing/2004-01-20-fha_x.htm

Posted 1/20/2004 1:31 AM



Bush seeks to increase minority homeownership
By Thomas A. Fogarty, USA TODAY
In a bid to boost minority homeownership, President Bush will ask Congress for authority to eliminate the down-payment requirement for Federal Housing Administration loans.
In announcing the plan Monday at a home builders show in Las Vegas, Federal Housing Commissioner John Weicher called the proposal the "most significant FHA initiative in more than a decade." It would lead to 150,000 first-time owners annually, he said.

Nothing-down options are available on the private mortgage market, but, in general, they require the borrower to have pristine credit. Bush's proposed change would extend the nothing-down option to borrowers with blemished credit.

The FHA isn't a direct lender, but guarantees loan payments for mortgages on moderately priced owner-occupied property. The FHA guarantee now permits private lenders to finance as much as 97% of the purchase price of a home for millions of low- and middle-income borrowers.

In the proposal soon to be delivered to Congress, Bush would allow the FHA to guarantee loans for the full purchase price of the home, plus down-payment costs. As a practical matter, the FHA would guarantee mortgages as high as 103% of the value of the underlying property.

Weicher says the change is aimed at potential home buyers whose credit excludes them from the private mortgage market. Borrowers would need sufficient income to meet monthly payments. But, he said, the plan would eliminate the single largest impediment to homeownership for millions of households — lack of money for a down payment.

The most recent government figures show a national home ownership rate of 68.4%, the highest ever. But less than half of black and Latino householders own the home in which they live. Bush has a goal of 5.5 million new minority homeowners this decade.

FHA loans carry higher risks of delinquency and foreclosure than do private mortgages, and the proposed change presumably will lead to greater losses to the government than the current program does.

Weicher said the added risk will be offset by higher fees charged to borrowers who opt to make no down payment.

On a $100,000 mortgage with an interest rate of about 6%, the nothing-down borrower could expect closing costs $750 higher than other FHA customers. Monthly house payments would be slightly higher.

Mortgage analyst Keith Gumbinger of financial publishers HSH Associates says the Bush plan "would fill at least a small niche in the mortgage market" — first-time buyers with somewhat impaired credit.

Affordable-housing advocate Scott Syphax, CEO of Nehemiah Corp., called the proposal "revolutionary." It marks the clearest official acknowledgment that millions of potential homeowners are being blocked by high down-payment costs, he says

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 TradurGurl

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Posted: 3/1/2009 2:35:50 PM
I voted for Hope-where is it? Or is economic fearmongering all we can expect from Barack


I DIDN'T vote for Obama -- but I'm NOT going to be the one to say I TOLD YOU SO! !!




here we go, reminds me Russia back to about 10-15 yrs ago when people were putting down all those who didn't confuse themselves, went for their goals, and could make a decent living. Obama is bringing the socialism to the USA




Me, too. HOWEVER:

I didn't vote for Obama -- but I'm NOT going to be the one to tell certain others I TOLD YOU SO!!!






but what i want to know is why it costs a trillion bucks to "create" 4 million jobs. i mean, come on,



You have a very good point, Miss. Too bad so many of the rest of us aren't better at basic arithmetic.

However, I didn't vote for Obama -- but I'm NOT going to tell those same ones I TOLD YOU SO!!! when/IF they finally do the math.




Did you ever stop to think that some of us might be just getting by ourselves and if we get hit we with major tax increases we might be in the same boat as those we are supposedly helping?



But the whole purpose of Big Government is to make us all EQUALLY dependant on the system. (That way we can all be "equal" ) We wouldn't vote for them if we didn't need them



Don't worry, soon enough Obama will figure out a way to pay for your gas and mortage. In fact if you read the news, he is enacting a 75 billion (which in actuality is closer to $200 billion) plan to pay for all those who took out loans they could never possibly pay for as I write this. I'm sure the gas rebate checks won't be too far behind.



But the whole purpose of Big Government is to make us all EQUALLY dependant on the system. (That way we can all be "equal" ) We wouldn't vote for them if we didn't need them






This is the beginning of the end of what was the US....socialism is on the way...





But the whole purpose of Big Government is to make us all EQUALLY dependant on the system. (That way we can all be "equal" But some of us will be more "equal" than others



Every nation deserves the ruler it has ----- "Winston Churchill".



Amen, brother!
 Larissan04

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Posted: 3/23/2009 1:40:55 AM
earlzp~

obama is saying NOW that the fundamentals of our economy are strong...yet wasn't he bashing mcain and bush for saying the same thing just before the election? yet, wasn't the economy in much better shape at THAT time? the economy is actually WORSE now, and obama is claiming that the fundamentals of the economy are strong...

do you not think that perhaps even when things are amiss that it is important for a president to try to calm fears on wall street? hmmmm? markets run on speculation...so, yeah, i think it's important for a pres to do this...

however, you ignore the facts i mentioned in my previous post. and yes, BUSH, the wall street journal, greenspan, every other financial show for the past two years had been talking about a real estate bubbble. where were you? watching dancing with the stars? or american idol? because anyone who pays attention to the issues would have known the above facts.

and unfortunately, we have a president that is laughing and smirking over the huge bankruptcy bill he has wrangled out of congress...and he is laughing because he enjoys this...

and you voted for this man? may your great great grandchildren forgive you...

lar
 EarlzP

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Posted: 3/23/2009 10:04:12 AM

obama is saying NOW that the fundamentals of our economy are strong...yet wasn't he bashing mcain and bush for saying the same thing just before the election? yet, wasn't the economy in much better shape at THAT time? the economy is actually WORSE now, and obama is claiming that the fundamentals of the economy are strong...


Thre economy was not in much better shape at that time unless you think that being ignorant of what is going on makes it better, we had a sitting President who either knew how bad things were or who should have had a clue, because the stock market was higher at that point does not mean a thing


do you not think that perhaps even when things are amiss that it is important for a president to try to calm fears on wall street? hmmmm? markets run on speculation...so, yeah, i think it's important for a pres to do this...


The only thing a missing was a President that cared and was ready to face reality, the markets are manipulated by the greed of the wall street brokers and bankers who feed off of the schools of investors to maintain their lavish life styles, none of them are worth the money they steal, wall street numbers are a fantaty of greed and deception and did not and still do not represent any thing of value


however, you ignore the facts i mentioned in my previous post. and yes, BUSH, the wall street journal, greenspan, every other financial show for the past two years had been talking about a real estate bubbble. where were you? watching dancing with the stars? or american idol? because anyone who pays attention to the issues would have known the above facts.


Actually I love dancing so I do watch Dancing with the Stars and American Idol , Now back to the topic of the thread, I did not have to have my mind buried in the fantasy of BUSH, the wall street journal and greenspan to know that their was some thing terribly "to borrow a word of yours" amiss, I just watched all of the $500,000 plus homes being built and realized that their could not possibly be enough people earning enough money to buy them. Bush was the sitting President if he had the knowledge of how bad the economy was then he had a responsibility to drive it home even if he had to go on the talk shows to do it. I believe he was fully aware of how bad things were and was hoping to slip out the back door before any one was fully aware of what we were going to have to deal with, bottom line Bush was calling the shots


and unfortunately, we have a president that is laughing and smirking over the huge bankruptcy bill he has wrangled out of congress...and he is laughing because he enjoys this...

and you voted for this man? may your great great grandchildren forgive you...

lar


I think my grandchildren and great grandchildren will be okay,how do you sleep at night knowing your hero Bush and his buddy Cheney sent 4260 young Americans to their death and are responsible for the death and mutilation of hundreds of thousands more. How are your grandchildren and great great grandchildren going to veiw your support of a President who spent 3 trillion dollars on a war while our economy was faltering on collapse?
 Acoustic-Blues

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Posted: 3/23/2009 11:25:58 AM
How are your grandchildren and great great grandchildren going to veiw your support of a President who spent 3 trillion dollars on a war while our economy was faltering on collapse?


Which war did we spend 3 trillion on? I think this figure is greatly exaggerated at this point. The Iraq war hasn't even cost 1 trillion to date, and apparently the war against the Taliban was and still is necessary as the O man wants to send an additional 17 thousand troops to be shot at. So no need to consider those figures.
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 3/23/2009 12:59:43 PM
Here's the funny thing that comes to mind when I hear people claiming that we should just let all those house mortgages simply default without acting on them - and throw the bums out on the street.

Now picture an America where perhaps the largest single investment most people make (especially the working and middle class) is worth FAR less than it was previously - even the houses bought by those "good decent hardworking Americans" .... All the capitol evaporated, and now worth perhaps a half of what it was days before. Large areas in neighborhoods completely empty, and now prone to neglect and increased crime. Pictures in all the media of a new (and rising) class of homeless person, now suddenly unable to get apartments due to the mass numbers involved. Greatly increased rents, as a tsunami of former home owners flood into the rental market, raising prices for the entire nation thanks to the increased competition for limited numbers of spaces.

Is that the America you want to live in, and you want to try and survive in ?
 kabiosile

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Posted: 3/23/2009 5:14:24 PM


Here's the funny thing that comes to mind when I hear people claiming that we should just let all those house mortgages simply default without acting on them - and throw the bums out on the street.

Now picture an America where perhaps the largest single investment most people make (especially the working and middle class) is worth FAR less than it was previously - even the houses bought by those "good decent hardworking Americans" .... All the capitol evaporated, and now worth perhaps a half of what it was days before. Large areas in neighborhoods completely empty, and now prone to neglect and increased crime. Pictures in all the media of a new (and rising) class of homeless person, now suddenly unable to get apartments due to the mass numbers involved. Greatly increased rents, as a tsunami of former home owners flood into the rental market, raising prices for the entire nation thanks to the increased competition for limited numbers of spaces.

Is that the America you want to live in, and you want to try and survive in ?


First not so funny. Second most of the people on either side would rather try to score political points for "their party" than to actually come together and get something done. I see the republicans in a real pinch. They want Obama to fail and many I think will go to EXTREME measures to make that a reality. Look at some of the things they are suggesting in some of the other threads. If this becomes a reality well what you have put in your post will likely become reality. The sad part is MG that many of these people cant see past their own parties bullshit to think about the nation as a whole. It is one of the main things I cant stand about a two party system. It bogs down into a line drawn in the sand and people screaming and blaming each other for whats wrong instead of people working together to fix them.

I support our president and no I do not always agree with him. He is what we got for the next 4 years minimum. I am not saying we should not voice our opinions and disagree. In fact I welcome that but, I should hope that no matter what side of the aisle you claim to be part of. His success should be everyone's wish.

To the people who are so paranoid to think he is trying to turn the country to "evil socialism" etc. Look if any of these presidents wanted to do that it would be done and over with before anyone could stop them. He obviously is not doing that. All of your doom and gloom predictions have been 100% false. He did not take your guns, he did not declare martial law, he did not do any of the things the nuts were predicting with their the sky is falling calls to fools.

Wake up we are in this together there are things being done I do disagree with by both sides but, in the end it is still not time for the sky is falling crap. It is time to get together and come up with ideas to fix it.
 sean.kraker

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Posted: 8/11/2009 1:28:22 PM
Lucky you dumb shiit. Lucky that we now have a dictator in the office, lucky that he quadrupled the deficit, lucky that he's taking away our freedoms. Yeah we are soo lucky Earl. Why are Democrats such morons? Why do they want sociolism? Why are they walking contradictions?

It's like if they can't get a free handout, they are going to tear down the country until they are equel with people who work their ass off to get where they are today. These shitts believe just because they live in the United States, they are entitled to many things. No you assssholes you're not. You are entitled to the freedom of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It doesn't say we are going to take care of you lazy punks.

Also I'm tired of people coming to this country and not assimilating. This is America, not what ever country you are from. When you come here learn our ways, don't try to get us to believe the bullshhitt you think is right.

You Democrats go to protests all the time and usually are violent in nature: tearing down shit and making people give you what you want and they call it a grassroots movement. When concerned only ladies and old men, turn up the decibles in their speech, you call it an angry mob. Lol, what a bunch of hypocrites. The old peopple even clean up their papers and make it cleaner then when they came there, but you democrats just destroy everything in your path until you get what you want. You Democrats are a bunch of thugs.

When you have to force someone to do something, that's being a thug. You force people to pay for this new healthcare system because you couldn't make it in society and buy your own health insurance. Don't make hard working Americans pay for your mistakes. Get up off your ass and get a job. It's no ones fault that you picked a degree (if you even have one) that doesn't pay. The minorities in AMerica have more rights and priveledges then the white people of today, so don't cry and say you couldn't make it because it's a total lie. When the immigrants immigrated here long ago, did they cry that life wasn't fair.....? No they sucked it up and moved on and worked their ass off.

Also you blacks need to stop crying about slavery....as if you were the only slaves in the world. Almost every culture has been enslaved at one time or another. What about the jews? 7 million of them burned down...do they cry reperations? No they don't. You blacks are nothing but lazy ass people who need to shut up and just work. ALso this affirmative action lol. Omg can you say reverse racism. If I was black I would be so ashamed that I had to use that to get ahead in life. It's obvious no one is going to treat you with respect....why? We because you didn't really earn it. You used your race to get ahead. SOmeone like that doesn't deserve respect. You people have no pride at all do you?

I came back from the army and some ugly democrat walked up to me and called me a baby killer....hahahaha. Your dam right. I don't care who it is, if someone is walking up to me with a bomb, I'm gonna phuck that mother phucker up. I do it in self defense though, you democrats do it just because it's inconvenient. I bet you're wondering what I'm talking about huh? Well since your brains are the size of walnuts, I'm talking about being pro[-choice. Now who's the real baby killers. You guys are sadistic and known to be a bunch of anti war, operation pink, pussssies. HAHAHAHAHAHA
 killene

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Posted: 8/11/2009 1:55:15 PM
Many of us are all stuck in this boat crazy merry go round
The job market around us has dried up.
Many of us can get a job or better job someplace else but if we have a home good luck.
If we want to move we have to either walk away from a home that is partly or fully paid for or sell it for about 75% of it worth.
Actually in this market one can't usually sell in an area where jobs are scare even at a 50% or more lost.
For those that have the home paid for or mostly paid for that means anywhere from 50,000 to ??? loss in financial funds.

A friend of mine sold their place in Calif for close to $200,000. They can buy an identical place in same complex for under $50,000. Pity the person that bought it for $200,000 if they need to move.
 EarlzP

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Posted: 8/11/2009 8:25:43 PM

Many of us are all stuck in this boat crazy merry go round
The job market around us has dried up.
Many of us can get a job or better job someplace else but if we have a home good luck.
If we want to move we have to either walk away from a home that is partly or fully paid for or sell it for about 75% of it worth.
Actually in this market one can't usually sell in an area where jobs are scare even at a 50% or more lost.
For those that have the home paid for or mostly paid for that means anywhere from 50,000 to ??? loss in financial funds.

A friend of mine sold their place in Calif for close to $200,000. They can buy an identical place in same complex for under $50,000. Pity the person that bought it for $200,000 if they need to move.


You only have yourself to blame if you did not plan for this economic collapse you kept electing people who did not have your best interest in mind and you kept on yelling give them more we want trickle down, is the trickle giving you a warm fuzzy feeling
 newroads49

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Posted: 8/11/2009 8:59:28 PM

To me this is the beginning of a time were the middle class has a President that takes there future seriously, we have a President who under stands that it the middle class wage earner that powers this countries economy.



We have a president whose personal advisory budget is higher than most previous presidents .
The budgets that his 33 Czars (more Czars to come) is estimated at around 1/2 billion $$$ with no approval needed for any of them except for the President.
Then there is his wife Michelle's ever growing personal staff with a budget so far of 1.5 million a year
The first lady of the United States is not elected, has no constitutional duties and receives no salary, but that doesn't mean the position is without its privileges – including a staff of 22 White House employees who make a combined nearly $1.5 million per year.

Wow this doesn't even include the Household staff of cooks, maids, butlers and security.
Guess we really have a president who is reaching out to the middle class.
Yep reaching out and into their pocket books. Reaching out to the middle class and showing us how he can spend spend our money.
Remember they have already said that it looks like there will be some unexpected taxes with the bills being passed.


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 Ready4SomethingFun

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Posted: 8/11/2009 9:11:46 PM

You only have yourself to blame if you did not plan for this economic collapse you kept electing people who did not have your best interest in mind


People named Pelosi, Reid, Spectre, Obama, and the list goes on and on!!!!!
 killene

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Posted: 8/11/2009 9:20:45 PM
EarlzP said
You only have yourself to blame if you did not plan for this economic collapse you kept electing people who did not have your best interest in mind and you kept on yelling give them more we want trickle down, is the trickle giving you a warm fuzzy

feelingready4somethingfun said

People named Pelosi, Reid, Spectre, Obama, and the list goes on and on!!!!!


But I didnt vote for Pelosi, Reid, Spectre, Obama and all the other dems that took over congress in the last few years...Opps...
 davidsauvignon

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Posted: 8/11/2009 11:56:00 PM

You only have yourself to blame if you did not plan for this economic collapse you kept electing people who did not have your best interest in mind and you kept on yelling give them more we want trickle down, is the trickle giving you a warm fuzzy feeling

No, you only have yourself to blame if you did not plan and thought that electing someone to a government position was going to act in your behalf...and on the fruits of other's labor.

And Earl!!! Why, that's not a very liberal statement to make...you know, "you only have yourself to blame"...I thought we were all in this together, regardless who screwed up...we'll all bail each other out...at least I thought.

How's that "trickle up" thing working for you? I know you have a big ol' warm and fuzzy with the Obama...but is your take home pay going up? Good Gawd, thankfully this idiot will be a lame duck after the midterm elections. (Oh, and I use the term "idiot" affectionately...sort of like y'alls descriptions of Dubya/Shrub, etc.)






~ds~
 EarlzP

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Posted: 8/12/2009 5:07:04 AM

And Earl!!! Why, that's not a very liberal statement to make...you know, "you only have yourself to blame"...I thought we were all in this together, regardless who screwed up...we'll all bail each other out...at least I thought.


I never voted for a Reagan or a Bush the union busting corporate loving trickle down czars who sold out the middle class of this country to aid their carpet bagging buddies, the fatcs are right in front of your face and you are blind to them %5 of the people control over 90% of the wealth and they are working hard to see which ones of them can suck up another few percentage points, our economy is nothing more then a monoply game to them and those like you who support them are only board pieces, keep counting your money because you hold a piece of the 5% they still want


How's that "trickle up" thing working for you? I know you have a big ol' warm and fuzzy with the Obama...but is your take home pay going up? Good Gawd, thankfully this idiot will be a lame duck after the midterm elections. (Oh, and I use the term "idiot" affectionately...sort of like y'alls descriptions of Dubya/Shrub, etc.)


Me I am fine, it's the young people the future generations that I am concerned for they have a very small piece of the american pie left to compete for. With president Obama they have a chance with the corporepublicans they will be nothing more then unwilling pawns, 2010 is not here yet and the wheel of fortune is still spinning, the only way you can end up a winner is if the President you dislike and fight so hard to beat, prevails
 Ready4SomethingFun

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Posted: 8/12/2009 8:22:58 AM

Me I am fine, it's the young people the future generations that I am concerned for they have a very small piece of the american pie left to compete for.


Newsflash!! You read it here first ladies and gentlemen. He cares not for his union thug buddies or for giving those who won't work something for nothing, but for the future generations. The generations that Obama has saddled with a huge tax burden that surely will grow to epic proportions by the time they inherit it.

They had better hope Earl is wrong, or someone gets in office in time to retract all this Obama policy, or else the future generations "pie" is already going to be eaten before they get to it. If the future generations could speak for themselves and they had any common sense, not your ideological sense of entitlement, they would probably tell you to quit trying to help, because it isn't helping.

This kind of government makes future generations say "Why should I work for anything, the government is just going to take most of it anyway. Might as well let them give it to me."
 EarlzP

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Posted: 8/12/2009 5:37:11 PM

He cares not for his union thug buddies or for giving those who won't work something for nothing, but for the future generations.


I worked for a large international company for 28 years as part of the management team, I earned my position by working for it and I was and still am a union member and have been for the last 38 years, because we are willing to fight for descent wages and descent working conditions does not mean that we are thugs and I resent your reference to union members.I would ask that you treat and talk to others as if you were standing face to face looking at them.

The unions organized and had a positive impact on this countries working middle class wage earners lives. I happen to believe that you are wrong and that you are being lead down a path that will end up creating a class structure that we escaped in Europe when we came to America and now we have no where else to run too and I am not into running any way, I am here and I will do what ever I can to ensure that my children and their children have the one thing I have always valued the most and that is the opportunity to be the best that I can be

When their are enough job opportunities to employ every American who wants to work then react negativitely to the unemployed until then anticipate giving financial aid to the unemployed, you think it's okay to free the iraqi population from a dictator but not to help the unemployed of this country where are your morals, you think it's okay for you to have health care but are against those who are unemployed or under employed, children in this country go without food, without the hope of a future until all of our children are fed have an opportunity for an education and an opportunity to make the american dream a reality I will be a bleeding heart

I believe we have the first President since JFK who has the good of Americans and America as his primary concern, he has no personal reason for wanting health care reform, he has nothing to gain from the stimulus package he will be filthy rich for the rest of his life and does not need one cent from the corporations, he has modeled his economic recover program on the tactics that President Roosefelt used to bring us out of the last depression. I don't know if he has all of the answers but I know one thing he will get the answers from the best sources available to him and I know a leader when I see one and President Obama is a leader.

I was chatting with my southern belle today she is a republican and strongly opinionated we decided it would be wrong not to discuss our political philosophies that if we didn't talk politics that we would be giving up one of out most precious freedoms the freedom of free speech.

There is no reason we can not have a communication exchange that is fact based but being a union thug limits my patience with distortion and fabrication, one lie and to me you have a big L on your face and can no longer be considered as an American who has the good of this country at heart
 Ready4SomethingFun

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Where is my gas money and mortgage payment?
Posted: 8/13/2009 5:58:41 PM

I would ask that you treat and talk to others as if you were standing face to face looking at them.


I always do, I'm not silly enough to think that someone here couldn't find me if they really wanted to. Not all union members are thugs but I have been a member of at least 3 and they did nothing for me but take a chunk of my salary. But to each his own.


you think it's okay to free the iraqi population from a dictator but not to help the unemployed of this country where are your morals


No, I don't think it was our job to "liberate a country" but we walked into that war with an understanding there was something there that we didn't find, and we couldn't just cut and run, it would have been detremental to our country's security.

Where have you ever seen me say I don't think we should take care of our unemployed? I'd like to see the post where I made that remark. I would say I was either taken out of context or misunderstood completely. I have never said anything of the sort. What I have said is we should not have to take care of those UNWILLING to work. You wanna be a lazy a$$? Be one in a dumpster, as far as I am concerned. But if you are unable to work, either due to a disability or due to lack of jobs, then yes they should be helped. But I think if you are willing to work, there is probably a job out there for you--it may not be one you like, or one that pays great, but there are usually jobs


you think it's okay for you to have health care but are against those who are unemployed or under employed


Absolutely unequivocally unture. I think there are better ways of going about it without a potential threat to those who do have it though. I've said it before, those without healthcare could be covered for less than this plan costs. It's been proven by economists with much more experience than Obama on both sides of the aisle politicially. There are things that can be done to circumvent costs in a better fashion than this plan. This plan is a possible danger to many peoples way of life, and they can see it and raising issues over it. There are better ways to get people insurance, this is a political move, not a reform.


children in this country go without food, without the hope of a future until all of our children are fed have an opportunity for an education and an opportunity to make the american dream a reality I will be a bleeding heart


If you want children fed, then show their parents how to fill out a job application, fill out welfare pappers, or give them a ride to the nearest food kitchen. No one is being denied food in this country.


have an opportunity for an education


Last time I checked, school is free for everyone, even illegals aren't denied an education, hell the schools even waste taxpayer money to teach them in their native tongue often enough.


and an opportunity to make the american dream a reality


Then tell YOUR president to chill with the BS that is going to hand them a tab they will have to pay off.


There is no reason we can not have a communication exchange that is fact based but being a union thug limits my patience with distortion and fabrication, one lie and to me you have a big L on your face and can no longer be considered as an American who has the good of this country at heart


I know your high opinion of your president, we don't agree, but that doesn't make me a liar anymore then it makes your opinion a fact. Yeah, I laid a stereotype on union people, have you looked back at posts by you and other liberals here labeling me as this, that, and the other thing, when you have never met me or know anything about me, other than I choose to align myself with a conservative way of thinging. Imagine how much fun it is to be called a religious zealot over and over when I don't even believe in God. Talk about patience wearing thin.

But as far of the L on my face (whatever that is) most of what is discussed here is opinion, aspects of those opinions based on either fact or fiction, many times neither being able to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Like those who do believe in God I put faith in a set of beliefs and only time will tell whose "facts" and whose "fictions" will come to fruitation. In other words, you choose to believe Obama is right for this country, and I choose to belive he is wrong. Until sometime down the road there is really no way to prove right or wrong, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.
 VF102

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Where is my gas money and mortgage payment?
Posted: 8/14/2009 9:06:12 PM
I got a pay raise in Jan., Mar., and Jul. So I guess I am getting my stimulus. I plan on bumping my charitable givings up from 10% to 12% this year to help those in need. Those who have it should share it.

Jason the Fed
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