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 Montreal_Guy
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Hey, Southernlass

It's great seeing you post something like this re Obama, I'm quite impressed as well.

I think he did a good effort, in very tough times. What a leader has to do, especially in tough times, is inspire and try to get people to start reaching higher, while including yourself in that effort as well. I think he's done exceptionally well so far, in doing just that.

Time will tell as to his administration's success, but it seems those that have underestimated Obama have had some surprises before.


If you look at his first (almost) month in office, he's got quite a bit done (again remembering the state of the economy and it's overriding importance as a priority).
 r90sboxer
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Posted: 3/1/2009 6:47:34 PM
Pretty much standard Obama.....says a lot of words with no real indication of what he means.
He's well spoken.......whooopeeee.






But that's exactly what he plans on doing. Didn't you hear him when he said he's going to go line by line and cut out programs that aren't working?



Isn't that what his appointees are for.I doubt seriously he will "line by line" inspect anything.



as far as staying in school goes.........i seriously doubt that all the all kids without parenting, the dope-heads, and gang-bangers in the US inner cities schools are all of a sudden gonna show up in class every day and get straight A's.


I live in a biger city.....they do have one thing in common now....Obama t-shirts and hats!!



I thought his speech was really good. I have to say though, that I listened to it rather than watched it because after about 5 minutes of Pelosi hopping up and down like a jack in the box I couldn't focus on what the President was saying. Did anyone else notice that she was reading ahead in the booklet that his speech was printed in and would jump out of her chair sometimes and start clapping before he even made his point.


She was just being herself....and realizing she's 3rd in line if............
 cotter
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Posted: 3/1/2009 9:54:01 PM


But that's exactly what he plans on doing. Didn't you hear him when he said he's going to go line by line and cut out programs that aren't working?

Isn't that what his appointees are for.I doubt seriously he will "line by line" inspect anything.
I could understand an attitude like that given the behavior of the "The High-Functioning Moron" who just left office.

I think this man really cares. But then he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He really lived what we are living. That's why I think he can identify more with those of us who have no insurance, are losing our jobs, just don't have the money always for even a night out to the movies.
 EarlzP
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Posted: 3/1/2009 11:16:49 PM

I think this man really cares. But then he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He really lived what we are living. That's why I think he can identify more with those of us who have no insurance, are losing our jobs, just don't have the money always for even a night out to the movies.


It's not that hard to tell if a person believes in what ever he/she is talking about. President Obama is a brilliant speaker because he believes he has taken the right path, he loves his country and his family, if this economic crisis can be turned around he is the man that can get it done.

If tomorrow he could physically walk on water some would still not believe that he is using all the resources and people around him to guide us out of this recession/depression, with some the hatred is too ingrained to deep both for the democratic party and for the color of his skin. President Obama idolizes some of the most revered leaders of our country starting with Abraham Lincoln

When you hear people like Rush Limbaugh makes statements like he hopes Obama fails it's easy to recognize the hatred that he feels, his hatred runs so deep that he would rather see our country destroyed then see President Obama and his staff turn this around. The republicans should censor Limbaugh
 r90sboxer
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Posted: 3/2/2009 8:53:56 AM
Obama’s parents separated when he was two years old and later divorced. Obama’s father went to Harvard to pursue Ph. D. studies and then returned to Kenya.

His mother married Lolo Soetoro, another East–West Center student from Indonesia. In 1967, the family moved to Jakarta, where Obama’s half-sister Maya Soetoro–Ng was born. Obama attended schools in Jakarta, where classes were taught in the Indonesian language.

Four years later when Barack (commonly known throughout his early years as "Barry") was ten, he returned to Hawaii to live with his maternal grandparents, Madelyn and Stanley Dunham, and later his mother (who died of ovarian cancer in 1995).

He was enrolled in the fifth grade at the esteemed Punahou Academy, graduating with honors in 1979. He was only one of three black students at the school. This is where Obama first became conscious of racism and what it meant to be an African–American.

In his memoir, Obama described how he struggled to reconcile social perceptions of his multiracial heritage. He saw his biological father (who died in a 1982 car accident) only once (in 1971) after his parents divorced. And he admitted using alcohol, marijuana and cocaine during his teenage years.

After high school, Obama studied at Occidental College in Los Angeles for two years. He then transferred to Columbia University in New York, graduating in 1983 with a degree in political science.

After working at Business International Corporation (a company that provided international business information to corporate clients) and NYPIRG, Obama moved to Chicago in 1985. There, he worked as a community organizer with low-income residents in Chicago’s Roseland community and the Altgeld Gardens public housing development on the city’s South Side.


I think this man really cares. But then he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He really lived what we are living. That's why I think he can identify more with those of us who have no insurance, are losing our jobs, just don't have the money always for even a night out to the movies.


Doesn't sound like the upbringing of too many folks I know.......
 dancecard
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Posted: 3/3/2009 9:24:25 PM

Doesn't sound like the upbringing of too many folks I know


it sounds like "everyone "I grew up with

Life wasn't tough but it was sure simple, of coase Dad worked three jobs for many year, Third trick at the RailRoad, and different jobs during the day until he was in his late 40's.

we didn't see alot of him as youngsteers, he was always short tempered and grumpy, can't imagine why!

I feel Obama came from the kind of people I grew up around.

A man was as good as his word. We all depended of each other to honor they word.

We needed each other in these hard times, as a boy of 7 , I was send to the little store down the road to get something for grandmother, I'd say charge it to PW Davis.

Obama is no mystery to me, not at all.

It seem to me Obama has played the cards he's held very well to date.

He's holding some awfully bad cards too. But let me ask you, when did he ever hold a thrump hand? Never! we have a cleaver man on our hands, make no mistake.

The GOP has not been gracious in defeat, I find their behavior appalling and very disappointing. I just wonder when will they attempt to be part of the soluation or is it their intention to drive the nation into the ground.

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 Montreal_Guy
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Posted: 3/10/2009 4:22:53 PM
Sounds like a lot of people I know, too. At least in the early part of his life, anyway.

He worked hard to get ahead, faced a lot of obstacles doing that, and came out a winner. I lost my Dad at a young age too, and I know what that feels like. Like Obama, I never got to know him very well, and he was an alcoholic and (when drunk) sometimes violent man. I think being raised by a woman perhaps helped set him on the course he later followed in life.

A man who worked for the true "old school" reasons of politics, the betterment of people's lives. He went to help others in the inner city, and rose to the occasion.

A constitutional lawyer, a teacher, a published author , and a man with a lovely wife and two kids. No real vices except for cigarettes. Someone who keeps himself in pretty good shape. Go back in his history and you pretty much can't find anyone saying a bad word about the man even from an early age, and just how rare is that today ?

A man who has actually stayed and slept in a hut in an African village, while on vacation. Someone who's lived in a foreign country, and seen "The Third World" up close and personal.

He took down two of the biggest political Goliaths in American politics, handily.

Most people around the world admire him, and admire Americans for having him as a leader.

And, so far (although early in the game yet), seemingly on the right course for the times.

Far more than some flash in the pan , and I think we will see him grow even more over time. There's nothing better for the soul than the occasional stumble, and he will (as all President's do) have that occur.
 TradurGurl
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Posted: 3/16/2009 7:47:44 AM
Obama did a very good job of reading his teleprompter -- as always. It's the CONTENT of his message that was not well recieved by those in the financial community.


The contents of Obama's own books are the most telling source of info re: his backgound, and rise to "Presidency".
 Montreal_Guy
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Posted: 3/16/2009 11:29:39 AM
So's the reception he's getting.....


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A national poll indicates that nearly two out of three Americans approve of the job President Obama's doing, but the survey suggests that people appear to be split on how he's handling some aspects of the economy.

Obama's job approval rating stands at 64 percent in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Monday. That rating is down 3 percentage points from mid-February.

When asked about the economy, 59 percent of respondents approve of how Obama's performing, with 40 percent disapproving.

"Most of the Americans who disapprove of Obama are Republicans," said Keating Holland, CNN's polling director. "His approval rating is 59 percent among independents and over 90 percent among Democrats, but two-thirds of Republicans have a negative view of his actions in office so far."

Two out of three approve of how the president is helping the middle class, 64 percent give Obama a thumbs up on unemployment, 62 percent approve of how he's handling taxes, and 54 percent support him on the home foreclosure crisis.

The poll indicates that the vast majority of Americans, 86 percent, hope that Obama's policies will succeed, with 11 percent rooting for his policies to fail. But when asked if Obama's policies will succeed, the number drops 22 percentage points to 64 percent.

"One in four Republicans wants Obama's policies to fail," Holland said. "But six in 10 Republicans think the president will fail."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/16/obama.poll/index.html


And there's always this, too .....


Dow stretches rally to day 5

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Dow surged Monday afternoon, stretching its recent run to a fifth straight session thanks to a rally in bank shares and some upbeat comments from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke.

The Dow Jones industrial average (INDU) added 130 points, or 1.8%, with under 2 hours left in the session. The S&P 500 (SPX) index added 13 points, or 1.8%. The Nasdaq composite (COMP) was little changed, with weakness in technology shares keeping it from gaining with the broader market.

Stocks rallied last week, bouncing back after the Dow and S&P 500 hit 12-year lows. The week was Wall Street's best since last November, with the Dow gaining 9%, the S&P 500 gaining 10.7% and the Nasdaq adding 10.6%.

Bernanke's comments and news from the bank sector helped Monday, but stocks were also just continuing to rebound off the lows, said John Forelli, portfolio manager at Independence Investments.

"Sentiment was really negative a week ago, and so each day the market goes up, the sentiment improves," he said.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/16/markets/markets_newyork/index.htm?postversion=2009031610


Seems like the potential is there for improvement, given half a chance.
 cpfstock
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Posted: 3/18/2009 4:28:37 PM
the lady has every reason to be suspicious of the combination of obama and pelosi. they're liberals. and the fact of the matter is liberals want control because they think they know better than you or me about how, when and where to spend the money we earn.
but, i give you california for an example of how things go when liberals are left in charge too long. the state can't pay it's bills and it's education system is a shambles despite spending more per capita on it than any other state. now obama want to repeat that model for education in particular across the entire country. frankly i'd just as soon we carve out some protectorates for the port of LA and the military installations, like the brits did for hong kong, and give california back to the mexicans.
 kabiosile
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Posted: 3/18/2009 5:18:25 PM


i give you california for an example of how things go when liberals are left in charge too long.


I would listen to this drivel but, the state is being run by a republican. Hardly a "liberal."
 Ready4SomethingFun
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Posted: 3/18/2009 6:59:33 PM

I would listen to this drivel but, the state is being run by a republican. Hardly a "liberal."


As the liberals always say, it takes a long time for someone to undo the mess that the other party made. He's only been in power for a couple years. It doesn't happen overnight.

Or possibly he is really a liberal in conservative clothing?
 kabiosile
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Posted: 3/18/2009 7:25:36 PM


As the liberals always say, it takes a long time for someone to undo the mess that the other party made. He's only been in power for a couple years. It doesn't happen overnight.

Or possibly he is really a liberal in conservative clothing?


So let me get this correct. You think if they fix something they are "conservative" if they dont they are liberal in conservative clothing? Things have gotten worse under the governors watch not better at all. Not blaming it all on him either I know it is complicated. I am just saying one cannot say that one party is perfect and the other sucks. They both suck. Conservative does not even exist anymore and liberal gets used for anyone the republicans dont care for no matter what they do. It's all nonsense name calling and quite frankly those of us that are neither conservative nor liberal are sick of the BS.

I think both parties need to go the way of the dinosaur. We need something else though I am sure people will get on two sides and sling mud at each other again anyways. I think people enjoy the drama of it instead of getting things done. Sad state of affairs the nation has turned into.
 kabiosile
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Posted: 3/18/2009 7:26:49 PM
State of the union should have been "idiotic" he didnt have to say anymore than you conservatives and you liberals are both sell outs to your country. You prefer to bicker with each other and blame each other instead of fix things. Have a nice day.
 Ready4SomethingFun
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Posted: 3/18/2009 8:44:59 PM

So let me get this correct. You think if they fix something they are "conservative" if they dont they are liberal in conservative clothing? Things have gotten worse under the governors watch not better at all.


Actually, no. I don't think anyone can fix good ol Callie, but I will say it was liberal policies that got them into the mess they are in. There are more illegals than legals in many cities in CA if not the whole state. You have two factions--the insanely wealthy and the insanely poor. Neither party seems to want to fix that. But my point was everyone is running around saying give Obama and the democrats time to fix the country but then bashing Ah-nold for not fixing Grey Davis' mess in what they consider a suitable time frame. These are complicated messes (the nation and California) that aren't easy fixes. I honestly don't know if Schwartz or Obama or both together can solve this states problems.


Not blaming it all on him either I know it is complicated. I am just saying one cannot say that one party is perfect and the other sucks. They both suck. Conservative does not even exist anymore and liberal gets used for anyone the republicans dont care for no matter what they do. It's all nonsense name calling and quite frankly those of us that are neither conservative nor liberal are sick of the BS.


I agree to some extent. Both parties are miles from perfect. Weather or not they suck is their own business. Maybe they blow too, I could care less. I just know they are all we have because people for what ever reason refuse to stray from them, and I'll take the party that most closely resembles my own life. I mean here I am--an agnostic who thinks drugs should be legalized. Would the repubs really want me even though I align myself more with their overall ideals (even if they seldom live up to them)? I am pro-death penalty, against socialism and pro-gun. Nope, the dems don't want me talking either. Especially since I am against their savior, whom this thread was about to begin with.


I think both parties need to go the way of the dinosaur. We need something else though I am sure people will get on two sides and sling mud at each other again anyways. I think people enjoy the drama of it instead of getting things done. Sad state of affairs the nation has turned into.


I agree. Got a better idea?
 dancecard
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Posted: 3/19/2009 8:11:08 AM
with all respects, California has a unique set of problems, since you brought it up.

If you wish to blame any state leadership for her problems, you must allow her to be 100% responsible for her borders and this just is not the case.

Much of her problems are at a Federal level, ~ and if memory serves , the GOP had commanded that position for many years with immigration reform lacking as many complained about it and cried for reform ~ claiming it was killing us!

and to state Obama and the speaker of the house "want to tell you how to spend your money" ~ while hanging a "liberal tag" I find laughable, Like ~ who's got the short memory here?

and if I was to play with that statement,~ turn it around, ~ That they wish to tell us how "NOT" to spend our money ~ it's equally as comical.

This attempt to lay blame as the wrong door step , is fooling no one but yourself.

As a child , my younger brother and I shared a bed, ~ he seemed to pee in bed on occasions. There were times ~ I appeared guilt as well! I'd wake up soaked.

So maybe you need to look at this a little harder before you play your "liberal card"

Obama is going to spend some money? ~ You bet cha, ~ Does he have a program and plan regarding "your" money ~ You bet cha! ~ just like every other President that came before him. Remember, He won! and now that is his job. Just like it was 43's job ~ and trust me ~ there were many times I wished he'd taken an extended vacation.

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 dancecard
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Posted: 3/19/2009 6:40:38 PM
Big news day today and Obama is to be on Leno's show tonight !

Seems many in the GOP choice to make political hay rather the get this XXX million in bonus AIG money back. ~ Somehow they feel like they can come up with XXX million dollars worth of political hay. ~ after all it's just XXX millions , chump change!

and it these are the people that want to drive the bus?

These folk can't drive the bus so they chose to complain about the trip. Acting as if they worry about tax payers money. ~ They worry about money alright ~ that's their driving force, ~ they worry about how much of it they can funnel their way and control. Their rhetoric seems to validate this , every time they open their mouth.

Can you believe the gall of these people, as Ameica struggle to straighten out this mess, they reward themselfs and the top ranking RNC members along with Rush acting as their cheerleaders? Hmm?

Calling it McCarthyism!

and I feel bad when a job hit a hard spot and I finish up with a 2 hundred dollar cost overrun, feeling inclined to absorb it or at least splitting it with a customer.

These guy wouldn't last two years in the small business world. People pay for results and that's what they expect, ~ all these old excuses and deferred blame won't work for if things going bad it's all on the professional business owner. That's the cost for being in the business, you insure or absorb you omissions and errors and losses, you make wrongs ~ right!

AIG is an insurance company as I understand it ~ so we the American people are insuring this insurance company as they find themself's deserving of bonuses here the 18th of March, 2009 ~ after they could not longer function as a insurance company, requiring assistance as recent as 90 days ago?

I don't think this money needs to be reclaimed by taxing ~ but fined! ~ Fine Fee for Failure ~~ Show all actors ~ there is a penalty for failing to preform your duties in a professional setting. ~~ There needs to be penalty of failure! ~ They gambled and they loss. ~ now pay up! ~ The American people have propped them up, felt somehow held hostage in the matter ~~ and now this!

Good grief !
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 cncgandolf
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Posted: 3/20/2009 8:21:50 AM
"Can you believe the gall of these people, as Ameica struggle to straighten out this mess, they reward themselfs and the top ranking RNC members along with Rush acting as their cheerleaders? Hmm? "

Alas, not just the RNC ... members of both parties have received contributions and financing and all the other political $$ trickery. Personally, I am tracking who all is handing my tax dollars over to corporate hog bonuses. I am totally with you that these old boys wouldn't last in small business - except that the old boys would continue to do business with each other. Its a club. Look at the social and educational ancestory of the current top executives at major corporations being bailed out ... insiders club.

Personally, I am not voting for those who were an AIG recepient in primaries and I am probably going to change my insurance. I was with 20th (now 21st) century insurance since the late 70's so I am sorry to have to change companies, but I'm not going to send my $$ their way.
 cncgandolf
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Posted: 3/20/2009 8:30:39 AM
"bashing Ah-nold for not fixing Grey Davis' mess in what they consider a suitable time frame. "

huh? Davis was recalled for proposing a tax increase for DMV fees. That wasn't a mess. If some had other reasons, that isn't the why they ran on. The DMV tax was the campaign. That was a campaign that talked the middle class into voting someone out of office because he finally figured out a tax that would tax those with discretionary income vs those who only had enough to cover the basics. Notice I didn't say wealthy. Not all wealthy people spend their money on buying expensive cars in CA.

I am a very financially conservative person. I drive a 1989 car. My DMV refund for ousting Davis and voting in 'neggar was a whopping $20. We voted out a decent governor for a whopping $20. how stupid do we get?

This stupid.... 'neggar is now implementing the same tax that Davis did. Why is it ok to vote Davis out for that tax and not ok to vote 'neggar out for it?

ps. I don't think it will take Obama as many years to turn our financial crises around as 'neggar has already had. Then again, I think it is an unfair comparason because you cannot compare state power to federal power .... states cannot do some of the things federal can do. Plus, they were each coming into office in different political/economical/social climates.
 kabiosile
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Posted: 3/20/2009 9:45:18 AM
Nice post.

Yeah well the right always like to do two things on a regular basis. Say everything that they call a "liberal" (anyone who doesn't agree with rush Limbogus) does = bad and #2 is to rip on California.

I think California has been the leader in some of the most sane things this country has moved towards especially on the social level where politics is concerned. They often work to fix infringment on liberties more so than any other state.
I dont agree with everything all the time. Who does but, to say that it is an example of the failure of "liberals" is ridiculous.

I agree it is not a good comparison between federal and state. I do not overly dislike your governor either. At least he is not a social conservative. To me there is nothing worse than a social conservative. They are quite the danger to our constitution, always wanting to legislate their so called morals on the rest of us. I suppose they failed to read a word of Jefferson much less the bill of rights he penned.

I agree I think Obama is doing a pretty good job so far. I think the right knows that he will turn things around though they are already preparing for that claiming that things are turning around on their own and that he is somehow going to take credit for something he had nothing to do with. HAHAHAHA!

I love it when they try stuff like that. They blame the president before Bush for what happened at the latter part of Bush's SECOND term due to the ridiculousness of deregulation which both he and his father openly trumpeted as their cause. Sure slick willy had his hand in it too should that be a surprise? They all belong to the same club... Then when someone comes and starts to do something about the mess left behind and hopefully sets things right it will not be because of anything Obama did because they are a "liberal."

I think those whom think this way on the right need to check that Kool-Aid they are drinking. Shut Rush Limbogus off and think for yourself you might get farther.


It is pure political nonsense. Not saying the left does not do it too but, sheesh do you guys not think enough is enough yet? The country came as close as it has in a very long time to imploding and these guy on the right are seriously just playing politics as usual. No wonder why they lost. At least the other side is acting like they want to work together no matter if I believe it is purely ingenuous or not. At least an attempt is a good start.

How did that old phrase go United we stand....

Again dont have to always agree. We can be each others counterbalancing measure and show the other side but, when someone does something to fix something give the :devil: their due.


Further it is no surprise people dont know the true reason there was a recall election in Cali they only know what Rush and Fox news told them happened.
 r90sboxer
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Posted: 3/20/2009 4:32:41 PM
State of the Union.......20 March 2009

Union still screwed....Prez taking some time out to be on Leno....Appointees still can't find their as ses with both hands....Prez doing some predictions on the "Final Four".....Obama wants to be Truman[fat chance].....Oprah offers Ellen a cover on "O"........Union still screwed....Obama misreads AIG package and pisses public off[better make some more TV time]
Seems like lib politics as usual...stay tuned for more..."As the World Turns"......
 jed456
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Posted: 3/20/2009 4:43:31 PM
Prez taking some time out to be on Leno


Well unlike the former president Obama can multi task.

Let's look at two differences......

Sen. Obama, who has taught courses in constitutional law at the University of Chicago, has regularly referred to himself as "a constitutional law professor," most famously at a March 30, 2007, fundraiser when he said, "I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president I actually respect the Constitution."


George bush....Bush challenges hundreds of laws
President cites powers of his office
By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff | April 30, 2006

WASHINGTON -- President Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office, asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution.

As for the rest of the post

Dictionary: hy·per·bo·le

A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton.
 jack-d-ripper
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Posted: 3/20/2009 7:44:55 PM

Well unlike the former president Obama can multi task.


G W Bush flew to the Hog Farm in Crawford almost every weekend.....

The most vacationed Pres ever.....

 dancecard
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Posted: 3/20/2009 10:40:50 PM
G W Bush flew to the Hog Farm in Crawford almost every weekend.....

The most vacationed Pres ever.....


yea, his heart really wasn't ever in the job, ~~ any job he's ever had actually.

but it didn't stop people from voting for him.

I know you haven't heard this is a while so I'll quote him one last time.

" I'm a Uniter not a Divider!"

don't you just love it!

In that same vain of thought ~ Obama is attempting to get all parties singing off of the same sheet of music. ~ and it appears the right side of the isle has "Zero"interest in it.

Most President's enjoy a short romance period from both sides of House and Senate, this however has not been the case with this current administration. The GOP fights tooth, hair and nail to render government as ineffective as possible.

Like Obama said in his closing words on Leno's show, " If you want someone to like you in Washington, get a dog!"

That doesn't sound like a man with any false illusions does it?

I look for the point went Obama takes the gloves off and gives up trying.

The RNC along with the rank and file has big problems, their devious nature is catching up with them and there doesn't seem to be enough good, strong ones among them to pull themself out of the tailspin they are in. They have allow the big dogs among them to bully them around and dominate the day for too long.

It high time for someone inside the GOP to stand up and show the rest of them it's not the size of the dog but the size of the fight in the dog that matters. Palin seems to be one of the few that's got the balls ~ not because she knows something but because she's clueless! She naive to Capital Hill and would most likely just make a big mess, but I wonder just how much messier it could get? ~ alas she's not in position to do anything ~ and she only has eyes the first chair it seems, thinking it somehow within her reach.

I 'd like to stop and pay respect to the 3 GOP members and their vote that enable us get this last large bill passed. ~ So let us not throw the baby out with the bath water, I hope the GOP gets through all of the alfa male posturing, trying to hump on everyone's leg and get on with peoples business.

I was married inside a very active GOP family and campaigned and helped get Regan elected, ~ found later to be worthy of Presidential appointment position.

My father-in-law and I went at logger heads many times over many issues ( all in the family ofcoarse) ~ I was always shocked and upset with his defense of something being "legal" while not being moral or right! ~ I failed to understand just because one could somehow implied one should. ~ I guess this is some kind of a GOP thing, ~for here we are again, some 27 years later, fighting over the same thing. ~

These bonus in question are legal and these men want them!
and as Obama stated, when Leno asked him, "Why isn't someone in jail?"
Omaba's reply being, "they've done nothing illegal"

Regan hurt us and hurt us bad ~ and when I say us ~ I mean working people, I knew it so years ago ~ but the bad ~ just keeps coming from it,~ seeming unending.

I like Regan and Nixon both ~ they achieved must greatness during their tenure but we are still paying for it.

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 SteelCity1981
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President Obama's State of the Union
Posted: 3/21/2009 1:25:16 AM
Both parties beginning to crash. The vast majority of American people are pretty much at their tipping point with our current politics and how they have been continuously ran here for years. The traditional democrats are now walking away from their party as well as the traditional republicans now walking away from their party. Combine that with the vast majority of American people that are pretty much at their tipping point with both the old traditional ways of either party and you have a perfect recipe for a political revolution for drastic change on your hands which we are very close to having.
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