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 cotter
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This is much more than Volcano monitoring, It is about work and equipment replacement.
So what? Apparently Jindal (and a whole bunch of others) just don't think that's necessary. So there!!!!

So we should just go without.

Hey!!!! The Repugnicans have spoken ...
 jack-d-ripper
Joined: 2/25/2008
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Posted: 2/27/2009 7:21:43 AM
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Is Palin ****un about this????

Wasn't it a 727 taken out last time Redoubt popped?

Maybe the GOP plan is for Bobby "The Exorcist" Jandel to go Alaska to exorcise the Devils in the dirt.....

He could fly a discount airline for a few hundred ... stay a motel 8..... Save millions taxpayer $$$$





John Eichelberger, program coordinator for the USGS's Volcano Hazards Program. Much of the expense of this technology comes from the manpower required to make and install it, he added.


"Ultimately most of this creates jobs or saves jobs that would have been lost" to recent budget shortfalls Eichelberger told LiveScience.

When he heard Jindal's remarks, Eichelberger said he "was frankly astonished" that the governor would use this particular example, given his own state's recent brush with a catastrophic natural disaster.

Among the scenarios in which the USGS's monitoring can assist - the catastrophic eruption of Mount St. Helens on May 18, 1980, which killed 57 people (including a geologist monitoring the mountain) and was the deadliest and costliest volcanic eruption in U.S. history ($2.74 billion in 2007 dollars). This event was preceded by thousands of earthquakes in the two months before the volcano blew its top; some of these prompted the governor of Washington to declare a state of emergency and many residents were evacuated from a designated danger zone.
"This is a hazard we can do something about," Eichelberger said. "We can spend a modest amount of money and prevent a tragedy."

About 50 volcanic eruptions occur around the world every year, according to the USGS. The United States ranks third, behind Indonesia and Japan, in its number of historically active volcanoes (those for which written accounts exist). Most U.S. volcanoes are located in the Aleutian Islands, the Alaska Peninsula, the Hawaiian Islands, and the Cascade Range of the Pacific Northwest, with the rest distributed around the West.

About 65 volcanoes in the United States are considered active; most of these are in Alaska, where an eruption occurs almost every year. Hawaii's Kilauea volcano is one of the most active volcanoes on Earth and has been erupting continuously since 1983.

The USGS has three volcanic observatories - in Alaska, Hawaii and the Cascades - set up to monitor volcanoes for signs of impending eruption.

USGS scientists are currently monitoring Alaska's Mount Redoubt, which has been threatening to erupt since late January. Seismic rumblings from the volcano have alerted geologists that magma might be moving around underneath the surface, preparing to make a potentially explosive appearance. Redoubt last erupted on December 14, 1989, for the fourth time in the 20th century, creating large ash clouds that clogged the air around Anchorage for days.
Monitoring of Redoubt's latest threat of eruption has been hampered by the lack of a GPS network which could not be put in place before because of a lack of funding, Eichelberger said.


"We're kind of half blind there," he said.


If Bobby can exorcise the Devils he will have a job after LA recalls him as Gov...........



The United States ranks third, behind Indonesia and Japan,
 CharlesEdm
Joined: 9/16/2006
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Posted: 2/27/2009 8:07:54 AM

The whole issue with volcano monitoring, bee studies, etc., isn't that the money spent isn't useful... the issue is that it has NO place in a *recovery* bill.


That money goes to research, which is then spent. It's stimulus. It's actually much more effective than the tax cuts that Republicans somehow think are going to save the day.


When actually called on to act, they tend to be impotent like FEMA was with Katrina.


I find it's more a function that if you vote for somebody who campaigns on a platform of government can do no good, they do no good when they're in government.
 Megaladonfishy
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Posted: 2/27/2009 2:52:55 PM
If you think a volcano will cause problems, you just sit back and think of what will happen if the european bee population collapses, we feed much of the world, and we won't even be able to feed the population of a state without them, much less a country, much less a dozen countries, of course the only alternative if we do lose them is starving, or using africanised bees, but they are only about 1/4 as good of a pollinator as european bees.

if our country's farmland suddenly becomes a fourth as productive as it is right now, no stimulus in the world will save us, most country's food systems will collapse, queys to get nothing, riots looking for what?Even a backyard garden would have to be hand pollinated to grow anything
 angelsands
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Posted: 2/28/2009 7:57:27 PM
Are We really talking about bees, vulcanoes,, maggots... tsunamies... the rain forest or whatever here.../.....??? ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS....?? You know what is a REAL WASTE OF .. T-A-X-P-A-Y-E-R-S... monies>>....?? The OUTREAGEOUS salaries that our 'beloved" politicians get.(plus bonuses, rewards..(?).tripps to Can-Cun or Grece,..congratulations and another expenses..) ...... FOR DOING NOTHING but stall the laws that will help the people... Specially politicians like Mr Jindal....
 geeleebee
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Posted: 2/28/2009 8:10:04 PM
Um, yeah--I'm serious.

Do a bit of research on what happens to other species when we lose one.
The bee thing? Serious.
The Rain Forest? Serious.

I agree that our government leadership doesn't need another pay raise for a very v e r y
long time, however that's a different topic.
 angelsands
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Posted: 2/28/2009 8:16:01 PM
Thanks for validating my point Mr and Mrs.. uhh... Gee... ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING but to the POLITICIANS....
 VVendy
Joined: 6/7/2008
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Posted: 3/2/2009 9:01:11 PM
there are 6 volanos in my state and we sripped mined in the mountians for a long time.
 jack-d-ripper
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Posted: 3/4/2009 12:16:00 PM



Harry Reid ‘Is Committed To’ A ‘Red Light Express’ To Nevada Brothel

Fox News’s Megyn Kelly: It’s a super railroad, of sorts — a line that will deliver customers straight from Disney, we kid you not, to the doorstep of the moonlight bunny ranch brothel in Nevada. I say, to the moonlight Bunny Ranch brothel in Nevada. So should your tax dollars be paying for these kinds of projects?

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If you look at the bill that passed the ways and means committee yesterday, for every dollar spent to help small businesses, four dollars is being spent to help upkeep the grass on the lawns of Washington. Again, what does that have to do with a stimulus bill? [Fox News]

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$165 million "fish hatcheries"

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$300 million "golf carts."

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butterfly parks,

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Frisbee golf courses

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water slides,

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$4.5 million for a dog park




These are outrageous...............



Why do we allow these lies to be repeated as fact...

Is this proof .............. home schooling sucks?

Only the GOP would earmark a Mega-lift train to a Brothel.............

" Standing ovation" Sen Vettor...... should be appointed "Head" of The Hooker Xpress by GOP Arnold
 sum1reel
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Posted: 3/4/2009 10:40:16 PM
the notion of earmarking stimulus money for "volcano moinitering" is far fetched......i'm not saying that volcanic observations aren't important but what does it have to do with injecting money into the economy in an effort to rev it up?..........If it isn't squandered, the money given for this project will be used by researchers to quietly conduct studies, test theories and hypotheses and then in about 7-10 years they might come out with a published study in some geological journal that will be of no interest to any politician in office at that time........there may be some congressional committee meeting to review the findings and maybe some recommendations will be passed along to FEMA....but that is about the extent of it!

It would have been far better is it had been presented as money ear-marked for monitoring "natural disasters " as a whole...........that way, you encompass other types of events such as tornadoes, hurricaines, tsunamis, asteroid detection, etc.....all in 1 set.

the fact that it just addresses volcanic activity reeks of pork-ism outright!
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 3/4/2009 10:50:42 PM
As I recall, there's about 5 times as much in this Bill to deal with hurricane surveilance as the volcano funding.

Look, this is something worthwhile doing - it will save lives. It's just the sort of thing you look for in stimulus spending. Obama isn't handing out money to foreign companies like Haliburton to spend money overseas - this is money that will circulate in your economy, and accomplish good at the same time.
 sum1reel
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Posted: 3/4/2009 11:46:27 PM
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Look, this is something worthwhile doing - it will save lives.


..i fully agree, it can save lives in the long run (if the money is used right)......but it will do little to stimulate the economy..........i mean its like if some small group of scientists all of sudden found a cure for autism...it would be a great thing for sure, but its not gonna put 100,000 pple back to work.


Obama isn't handing out money to foreign companies like Haliburton to spend money overseas


...there are gazillions of $$$ flying outta this country each year(for countless reasons, legal and otherwise)......which is something that no politician made any firm commitment to curtail, even in this current economic atmosphere.


this is money that will circulate in your economy


i seriously doubt it, as the researches will no doubt be permitted to conduct their experiments and observations throughout the world.


and accomplish good


i would agree, but it is something that should in no way be linked to an economic stimulus as its effects on pumping up the economy would be akin to you trying to inflate a large truck tire using a bicycle hand pump.
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 3/5/2009 3:47:04 PM
Harry Reid is a babbling idiot. Every time I mistakenly come across this idiot on TV I repeatedly thank the person that invited the remote.
 gizmosellschickens
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Posted: 3/9/2009 3:47:05 AM
I hope in 2010 Reid get voted out of office, but Pelosi more so because she wants to turn America into a basketcase. $410 billion domestic spending+ $787 billion+ $634 billion for healthcare=$1.81 trillion dollars of extra spending. Pork projects is nothing than ripping off the taxpayer just to recieve campigan contributions for thier reelection campagian
 jack-d-ripper
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Posted: 3/24/2009 12:29:41 PM
Will Govenor Palin show leadership by refusing PORK waste.

..Volcano monitoring..... extended unemployment benefits.


Alaska's Mount Redoubt erupted overnight, sending five explosive bursts of ash and steam as far as nine miles into the air and shutting down many flights at Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport.

"This is an indicator and proof of the importance of earth science to the United States of America and to the Department of the Interior and the" U.S. Geological Survey, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said during a telephone briefing. "Through the work of the USGS and being able to monitor what was happening with Volcano Redoubt, we were able to actually forecast this event . . . to prevent the endangerment of people and places that would otherwise have occurred."

USGS tracking of magma movements and seismic activity and comparison of recent changes with those that preceded the 1989-1990 eruption of the volcano, which continued for four months, allowed scientists to anticipate the eruption this time around, said USGS acting Director Suzette M. Kimball. The National Weather Service is now carefully tracking the path of the clouds of ash as they travel away from the volcano to prevent a recurrence of what happened during the last eruption, when a KLM Royal Dutch Airlines plane encountered ash 150 miles from Redoubt, lost power to its engines and plummeted two miles before regaining power.



Twenty thousand passengers per day travel through airspace affected by the volcano, Salazar said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/23/AR2009032303103.html
 kabiosile
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Posted: 3/24/2009 6:36:54 PM

Volcano monitoring is a waste on taxpayer money?


Well only to those whom do not live near a Volcano and/or have no care for those whom do.

It is a political card much like the ones who do not care that many in this country do not have access to adequate health care. They would let the whole system collapse so that they may continue to have a "privilege" not afforded to the rest. It is a sickness of some to want to lord over others. They need to feel special you see. They need to have something that others do not. The whole injustice of our system is perpetuated by this sickness and those who think it is a sacred way. They love their royalty and wish to keep them in privilege.

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