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| 'There Probably No God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life'
Posted: 3/3/2009 3:23:57 PM |
What drives me nuts are the impressable children. It's hard enough for kids of any age to understand that there is something, HIM, greater than all. Then these kids read this on a bus passing by and question their belief in HIM again
First off, these two sentences contradict each other. If kids are so "impressable", it should be very easy for them to understand that there is something greater than all (if that's what you want them to believe).
Second of all, if the kids are who you are really concerned about, you can rest easy. For one, most of them will have their heads down, either texting or playing a handheld video game whenever the bus passes. For two, "kids" still believe in Santa Claus, even though they see one on every street corner. Kids will believe what they are told to believe by their role models ... not by bus stop signs.
There is enough shittt out there that makes us question our faith enough - do we really need this too.
After reading this, I highly doubt it's the kids you are concerned with. From the sounds of it, you're simply concerned that anyone who has messages that may vary in any way from your beliefs should be allowed to broadcast them.
But again, rest easy. There are a whole lot more seriuous issues that should be force you to question your faith than someone else's opinions. Like all the strife in the world.
Or fossils. | |
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| 'There Probably No God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life'
Posted: 3/3/2009 8:47:06 PM | | ^^ I don't get any of them here.... come to think of it, the past four years I've lived here, I never even got halloweeners. (halloweenies?) The only person I got at my door was the new premier of Sask. when he was canvassing for votes........ crap, I must live in the slums :( | |
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| 'There Probably No God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life'
Posted: 3/3/2009 9:19:56 PM | well ya know the alternatives..
Don't worry about God, and worry about what the point is?
Worry about God, and worry about what's the alternative?
I mean, isn't the whole point more or less the meaning of today's existence..
why worry? just live your life.. who cares about the consequences..
I mean, with or without God, many people have worries. Using God to diminish them speaks volumes about the writers intelligence.
I'm so glad to hear that ONLY atheists and Christians have worries.. the rest of ya are scot free.. | |
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| 'There Probably No God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life'
Posted: 3/4/2009 1:27:20 AM |
What drives me nuts are the impressable children. It's hard enough for kids of any age to understand that there is something, HIM, greater than all. Then these kids read this on a bus passing by and question their belief in HIM again. There is enough shittt out there that makes us question our faith enough - do we really need this too.
Why is religious faith, in particular blind religious faith, of any particular value or of such value that is should not be questioned?
my topic for discussion was simply this 'because I believe in God why do the non believers think I'm not enjoying my life'
I guess it's up to each person to evaluate why they believe what they do. If it's Pascal's Wager, or fear of hell or non-existence, then maybe they need to re-evaluate things...if not then the secular humanist ad should not be any big bother to them. | |
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| 'There Probably No God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life'
Posted: 3/4/2009 6:17:54 AM | | IMO Faith should be questioned...if you have faith, it will be strengthened by the questioning...if you just say you have it (as many do these days), you'll find out that you don't through the questioning...simple really... | |
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| 'There Probably No God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life'
Posted: 3/4/2009 6:39:05 AM |
What are the differences in the lives of believers and non believers?
Well for one, some believe, some don't.
Everyone is entitled to their faith, or lack thereof. Everyone lives their own lives as they see fit.
These ads don't bother me in the least. If your faith is strong, then why worry about it (I'm one of those evil non believers)? How is an ad on the side of a bus really going to change your life, or how you live it?
What drives me nuts are the impressable children. It's hard enough for kids of any age to understand that there is something, HIM, greater than all. Then these kids read this on a bus passing by and question their belief in HIM again. There is enough shittt out there that makes us question our faith enough - do we really need this too.
Isn't this where role models come into play? Parents, teachers, etc..?? There will always be shit in our lives, it's up to us, as parents, to give our children tools to cope, no? Just because I'm a non believer, does not mean I don't teach my son values, like respect, honesty, caring for other people, etc... I don't need to believe in God in the traditional sense to be a good person and to try and raise my son to be a decent person.
Thank "God" we live in a country where we're allowed to have differing opinions and be able to voice them... Free speech and all.... | |
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| 'There Probably No God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life'
Posted: 3/4/2009 7:54:49 AM |
Well for one, some believe, some don't. ...wow, yer genius!
Just because I'm a non believer, does not mean I don't teach my son values, like respect, honesty, caring for other people, etc... .. so basically what you're admitting to is God is about goodness, treating others well blah blah. Obviously somewhere in your life you've been taught that He is about all that's good.
Listen, religion/God (whatever god you believe in) is, in my opinion, a lot like sex - it's private so don't go rubbing your beliefs in my face as I don't in yours. I think the ads are sickening to say the very least and I'm entitled - AS A STRONG BELIEVER - to communicate that.
I don't need to believe in God in the traditional sense to be a good person and to try and raise my son to be a decent person. ....so your son has no questions about God or what happens after death? Nothing? I'd love to know what you tell him if he were to ask. Athiests are breeding athiests.
Ok, off to work.
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| 'There Probably No God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life'
Posted: 3/4/2009 8:04:43 AM |
Listen, religion/God (whatever god you believe in) is, in my opinion, a lot like sex - it's private so don't go rubbing your beliefs in my face as I don't in yours. I think the ads are sickening to say the very least and I'm entitled - AS A STRONG BELIEVER - to communicate that.
do you not see that comment as being a tad bit hypocritical?? You're telling me that you don't go rubbing your beliefs in my face, but yet you say you're a strong believer, and are 'entitled' to communicate that...
Well guess what honey, I'm 'entitled' to communicate my beliefs too.
...so your son has no questions about God or what happens after death? Nothing? I'd love to know what you tell him if he were to ask. Athiests are breeding athiests.
wow, you're sure making a lot of ASSumptions here. I'm a baptized catholic, tho I don't practice the religion. I made the decision years ago to consider myself 'non catholic', for my own reasons. My son went to catholic school for awhile, he's well aware of god, and what I tell him is really none of your concern, because, as you said, like sex, it's private
Not entirely sure what your problem is, but you seem to be pretty argumentative lately... is that what being a good christian is about?!?! | |
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| 'There Probably No God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life'
Posted: 3/4/2009 9:15:49 AM |
Just because I'm a non believer, does not mean I don't teach my son values, like respect, honesty, caring for other people, etc...
.. so basically what you're admitting to is God is about goodness, treating others well blah blah. Obviously somewhere in your life you've been taught that He is about all that's good.
I'd say she is more accurately stating that the lack of belief does not necessarily equate total anarchy.
As for He being about all that is good, that's debatable. There are plenty of instances in the bible that demonstrate God having a vengeful side to him.
"I will destroy thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD.... and they shall do in Edom according to mine anger and according to my fury; and they shall know my vengeance, saith the Lord GOD....I will cut off the Cherethims, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast....I will execute great vengeance on them with wrathful rebukes; and they will know that I am the LORD when I lay My vengeance on them."
(Ezekial 25)
Doesn't sound like it's all good in that instance. Sounds like a pretty mean dude, in fact. | |
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| 'There Probably No God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life'
Posted: 3/4/2009 12:22:43 PM |
Listen, religion/God (whatever god you believe in) is, in my opinion, a lot like sex - it's private so don't go rubbing your beliefs in my face as I don't in yours. I think the ads are sickening to say the very least and I'm entitled - AS A STRONG BELIEVER - to communicate that.
Apparently the, because of your "strong belief", you were oblivious to the plethora of proselytizing advertisements by the variety of churches from mainstream Protestants with "got jesus" to the Mormon family ads on buses, billboards and television that have been around for decades telling the rest of us how worthless we all are and how we are going to hell for not believing and how the end is coming soon and how we better be ready...not to mention the countless tv preachers begging for money.
You wouldn't call any of that "rubbing our noses in it?"
So one set of public ads by a secular humanist group up in your grill and suddenly its Armageddon?
You don't see a bit of a disconnect there? A bit of unbalance?
Ok whatever you say. | |
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| 'There Probably No God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life'
Posted: 3/4/2009 9:17:31 PM | It makes me wonder, what exactly is THE POINT of that ad??
Good advertisement for kids though! It could appear that the direction society is headed in can be partially attributed to the lack of "fear of God" as it is ... so I guess why not promote people to do what ever they wish? Humans seem to want to live with no restrictions or without consequences for their behavior ... as long as it feels good, makes money, pleases you ... do it!
I'm not really even religious, but it seems to me that the world is becoming more chaotic - and belief in "God" is fading. Could be totally coincidental in timing though I suppose.
Just my opinion, of course. | |
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| 'There Probably No God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life'
Posted: 3/4/2009 9:34:31 PM | i actually have a question about the topic.
if you arent enjoying your life as a believer in god,. ....... how much better will not believing in him make you?
what exactly is god stopping you from doing in order to enjoy your life more?
this is really a kind of ridiculous thread. as even scripturally god gave man free will, he never once stated you absolutely cant do anything, free will is free will regardless if you believe in god or dont
a common misconception is that god and religion have anything to do with one another, which is totally off base. religion was made by man , long after god was around.
you can have faith in god, and not follow any religion.
belief in "God" is fading
i disagree
belief in god i believe is growing
belief in religion is fading
belief in religion is fading, simply because religion is based on corrupt human manipulation, not on anything that has to do with god
the bible isnt a book devoted to any religion . the bible is only a histroy book that tells the stories of numerous people from our pasts, and thru it we see how their faith [not in religion, but in god] made their lives better.
personlly, god has never bothered my life, im not religious by any means, however, my faith in him has never stopped me from doing anything i enjoyed, it has never made me feel insecure or inadequate. it never made me feel unsure of what to do next.
however, there was a time in my life when i was anti god and had no faith in anything but my own selfish desires and wants.those were the times i was insecure, scared of what tomorrow might bring, worried about where my next meal would come from, worried and stressed out about what id do if i didnt meet my obligations.
so . whether there is a god or isnt one, you really arent losing any amount of joy by pretending or believing in one
the only ones that are truly worrying and missing out on happiness are the ones with no beliefs and no faith in anything but themselves.
those are the ones that are truly alone
rather than worry,
a story that is in the bible that isnt religious that gives me peace when i stress over stupid things is
One day a large group of people was gathered around Jesus on a hillside and he began to teach them. “Don’t worry about whether you have enough food and drink, or enough clothes to wear,” he said. “There are more important things in life than food and clothes.” Then he went on to teach them a lesson about worry.
“Look at the birds in the air,” Jesus said. “They don’t worry where their next meal is coming from. They don’t store up grain in barns. And yet, the Heavenly Father takes care of them. Surely you are worth more to him than a bird.”
“And why worry about your clothing?” Jesus continued. “Look at the lilies of the field and how they grow. They don’t work or make their clothing, and yet Solomon in all his glory wasn’t dressed as beautifully as they are. If God cares so wonderfully for these wildflowers, surely he will take care of you. Why do you show your lack of faith by worrying about these things?”
funny , how it mentions lack of faith is the thing that will bring doubts and worries.
well i personally feel inspired after reading that passage, hopefully it inspires someone else to not worry as well
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| 'There Probably No God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life'
Posted: 3/5/2009 2:28:22 AM | On my AOL splash page, there was a banner that has the offending ad, as well as a sister ad that states "There probably is a god, now stop worrying, and enjoy your life". The link was to a "cyber cafe" that welcomes discussion and debate. Upon getting to the site, it was a church directory, where you had to sign up to even view the discussions.
Both sides are using the publicity to further their causes, and it is serving it's purpose to get people talking about it, so I guess it is a successful campaign.
The fanatical defense of either side does illustrate the lengths that some go to, defending their faith, or lack thereof. Pretty much every war currently being fought right now, is about land, or religion, or the fact that somebody's religion does not belong on that land...
I, personally, don't care what or whom a person worships, or sets their moral compass to, as long as they are not pushing it on me, or trying to displace me from my land.
The JW's apparently believe that there will only be 144,000 (not sure of the exact number) saved. Yet, they are actively recruiting more? I'd keep that one under my hat if I truly believed... | |
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| 'There Probably No God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life'
Posted: 3/5/2009 6:14:24 AM | Ahhhh but the race to be ONE of the 144,000 is alive and well in the JW circles. That's why they recruit so ferevently. Perhaps by the good works they do on Earth to recruit more JW's they might be one of the 144,000. The rest of the "unchosen" will simply die and lie in the ground awaiting for the return of Jesus to rule the earth and all the undead will become alive again.
I've had nightmares about that one.. LOL and I think they may have some movies along those lines as well.
I guess what bothers me about this whole discussion/thread/forum is that as a believer, I don't find it necessary to engage in public debates about my faith. Everyone has the right to their own beliefs and Jesus taught tolerance. He certainly didn't teach to be confrontational to get your point across or to teach people about himself.
I try and live my life allowing people to see a different way of life, a different set of beliefs, through me and my actions... and maybe if they are interested/curious have a private conversation about beliefs.
Just makes me kinda sad to see this go on. | |
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| 'There Probably No God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life'
Posted: 3/5/2009 6:38:57 AM | I find it interesting, and actually quite sad, that some of the people in this thread who are quoting scripture are also believers, and yet also claim that it is some great guide to morality and history.
If you've ever, EVER read the book, or looked into the historicity of the Bible, you'll find that first and foremost, it's not a very good moral guide. Not even the New Testament is very good at showing morality in a positive light.
Secondly, claiming that the Bible is a history book is verifiably false. There is currently no evidence that the Jews were ever slaves to the Egyptians, under the rule of ANY pharoah. There is no historical evidence, aside from the Bible, that there was a Jesus who was from Nazareth, at any time. The first of the four Gospels was written between 60 and 70 AD. 25-35 years AFTER Jesus died on the cross, and there is a good amount of evidence that all the gospels following that one were based on it and embellishments of it.
It makes me wonder, what exactly is THE POINT of that ad??
It's already been said. A few times. In this exact thread.
funny , how it mentions lack of faith is the thing that will bring doubts and worries.
Funny, how in a book trying to preach the importance of blind faith, that it says that without blind faith you'll be worried and doubtful. Coincidence?
the only ones that are truly worrying and missing out on happiness are the ones with no beliefs and no faith in anything but themselves.
Actually, the whole point of the ads is to show that you can actually live a full and happy life WITHOUT any sort of invisible friend in your life. Your own personal story of being without hope and only your own selfish desires being the driving force in your life says more about your own morality than it does about your faith in invisible friends.
my faith in him has never stopped me from doing anything i enjoyed, it has never made me feel insecure or inadequate
My lack of faith in Jebus has never stopped me from doing anything I enjoyed, nor has it ever made me feel insecure or inadequate either, except for when I felt that I was one of the only people out there who WASN'T a X-tian. I felt like I was alone with no one to talk to about my disbelief in gods, because societally, it's more unacceptable than being a rapist, or a hardcore drug user. | |
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| 'There Probably No God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life'
Posted: 3/5/2009 6:43:41 AM |
. He certainly didn't teach to be confrontational to get your point across or to teach people about himself.
lol im curious, have you even read the bible lol
jesus wasnt confrontational? haha
how about when he thru the moneylenders out of the synagogues and places of worship. oh well that musta been bad jesus eh lol
as far as the 144 000 jw thing goes. and ive actully looked into it and its biblical validity
no it isnt a number they made up {like lets say xmas or the trinitiy} its actually in the bible in revelations. and those arent the only ones being saved and theres no race to be one of them .
they are the ones picked "handpicked " by god, they are the ones that will rule in heaven by gods side . the rest of humanity will live on earth as was the original purpose for mankind{ in the bible if you read it}
its funny when pople tyalk about stuff they have no clue about.especially supposed xtians, i mean , look into xtian history and how fervently they recruited people, even the unwilling, lol remember the with trials, the torture, the rape and murder of millions of unbeleivers , all in the name of their sun god. and now their descendants sit in judgement over the rest of the worlds people. how amusing
I don't find it necessary to engage in public debates about my faith.
yah thats best left to preachers on tv i suppose
as we all know , christ never debated anything in public lol | |
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| 'There Probably No God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life'
Posted: 3/5/2009 7:03:56 AM |
claiming that the Bible is a history book is verifiably false.
well we shall all sit idly by and await for you to actually verify anything youve said
as you didnt with your op , im assumning we will wait quite some time
noone said you cant live a long healthy life with or without faith in something.
i never stated anything about an invisible friend, those were your words. however we all have an invisible friend which we need to live, its called air
so yes even you are dependant on an outside invisible influence to survive everyday
I felt that I was one of the only people out there who WASN'T a X-tian
your not the only xtian, im not one, muslims arent and neither are hindus.
no idea where that comment was supposed to come from, or what point it was supposed to make
Your own personal story of being without hope and only your own selfish desires being the driving force in your life says more about your own morality than it does about your faith in invisible friends.
really
well then feel free to fill me in on your observation smart guy
i dont suppose someone as "special" as you ever had a past or a history . i doubt someone as great as you ever went thru teenage depression or got messed up with the wrong crowds or ever sat and soul searched and tried to make your life better.
its really funny when poeple start to blame one thing for another,you blame god for all the worlds ills and wars and murders etc. and the funny thing about that is, that man did it , god didnt, i didnt see god come down and invade vietnam , or run over a busload of children.ou talk the big talk but when the chips are down, ya all need god, as a scapegoat for your own problems and to blame for things.
however if something good happens, thats when you step up to the plate and take the credit for it
There is no historical evidence, aside from the Bible, that there was a Jesus who was from Nazareth, at any time. The first of the four Gospels was written between 60 and 70 AD. 25-35 years AFTER Jesus died on the cross,
too funny
and the manuscripts dont mention a cross, the call it a stake
there isnt any proof he wasnt real. in fact the mass amount of data that has been accumulated about jesus , is more than of any other living man from that time.
there isnt any proof that bob the butcher lived back in that time either, does that make it proof that he never existed?
the proof you try to say about the inaccuracy of biblical events is false as well, historians and archaeologists have been retracing the bibles events to find backup to its stories . as i said , it was an account of history. no other book tries to tell history in such a way and over such a vast amount of years
whether its fact. well thats open to interpretation , as the king james version is only an interpretation of the original manuscripts, and people back then described and said things alot differently then we do today | |
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| 'There Probably No God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life'
Posted: 3/5/2009 7:14:48 AM | | I tell my children that going to gods house on Sunday...and then snubbing your nose or treating people like crap the other six days, does not make a good christian, as some I know seem to think ...it is how you treat people 24/7...all the time | |
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