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Posted: 3/3/2009 4:05:01 PM | Yep Kingsfan you may be right. She may turn her life around and I hope one day she does.
She's had a good family support network myself included. We were very close at one time and she has always known my door was open to her. However she's thirty now, left three kids behind and at this time and moment I am so angry with her.
I never wanted to give up on her but for now her kids well being are my main focus. She can't be helped until she wants to. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 4:23:12 PM |
What did they see?
A superbly equipped gym with the latest equipment, far above the standard of gym their hard working and very well paid father could ever hope to be able to afford to join.
Fantastic educational facilities, with dozens of brand new pc's and a wonderful library...far better than any of the schools they attended, including 6th form college years later.
An art department that any artist would have been impressed by....and so it went on....
is it any wonder they re offend especially thieves who may want to maintain that level of luxury until they get caught and get it again anyway | |
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Posted: 3/4/2009 7:54:44 AM | We need to think more along the lines of the guy in the USA that makes cons camp out, no tv or electronics of any kind, just good hard slog and 1 choice of food for supper.
What is his name?
Truth is a lot of poor convicts with little respect for anyone or themselves see prison as a lifestyle choice.
While we are over populated, sadly this will continue. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2009 9:26:53 AM | We need to think more along the lines of the guy in the USA that makes cons camp out, no tv or electronics of any kind, just good hard slog and 1 choice of food for supper. Ok, lets be like USA.
The population of the nation's state and federal prisons rose to a record 1.47 million last year, the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics reported These figures are nearly 5 years old, taken from April 2004, I think the figure will be now much higher? Therefore, no matter how basic you make prison time, this is clearly not the answer. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2009 11:44:50 AM | i'd also add, that if you want to get a free degree, with no debt afterwards...why bother going to Uni?
Just get yourself banged up for a a good 3 yrs. No need to worry about student loans, you get free board and lodgings, free text books, no need to get a part time job to make ends meet and then having to study into the early hours.........sorted :) | |
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Posted: 3/4/2009 11:58:50 AM | | you might get a free degree, but try getting a job when youv got 3 years prison sentence on your CV. Theres not many that would employ you. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2009 12:44:14 PM |
That's the theory behind it. Provide them with a stable environment, show them how they are supposed to live and hope that they can start to function like law abiding citizens.
or reoffend because it is so cushy in there
i do believe that it will help some who want to help themselves but a lot of them
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Posted: 3/4/2009 12:46:27 PM |
you might get a free degree, but try getting a job when youv got 3 years prison sentence on your CV. Theres not many that would employ you.
True, but: -
daughter has a 2:1 Honours degree and £14k debt......never been in trouble ...worked part time since she was 14 .......no one wants to employ her either........
Good point!
My son finishes his degree course this summer and I do worry about whether he is likely to find a job, what with the current economic climate and the fact that just about every job applicant is waving a degree certificate he doesn't stand much chance!
Oh well, I guess I've paid for his living for 20 odd years, a few more won't make any difference! 
I was once told by one reformed burglar that during the time he spent inside he learned more about 'how to get away with it next time' than he did about coming out as a responsible and decent citizen. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2009 12:55:08 PM | /\/\/\/\/\
We'll give them cordless ones then, or mobiles shall we.
To those who wonder how prisoners could be better punished.
How about going into their cells unannounced trashing them and taking all their personal possessions. Of course these raids would be random, and there would be no way that the police would be able to prosecute even with DNA evidence, of and of course the raider would have to defecate on the floor.
As they say what goes round comes round. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2009 2:40:55 PM | Too many people, especially women are locked up for minor offences. Prisons in the UK are full to bursting. I don't see any prison as being a soft option, so what if you are given a gym and a tv and access to a degree, you still have a criminal record and for some careers you will be untouchable.
Lots of wealthy people commit crimes, eg drink driving, speeding etc and get away with it or softer sentences due to having lawyers who exploit every loophole going. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2009 3:06:10 PM |
Just get yourself banged up for a a good 3 yrs. No need to worry about student loans, you get free board and lodgings, free text books, no need to get a part time job to make ends meet and then having to study into the early hours.........sorted :) That is a stupid statement to make. Realistically, to undergo a degree in prison, you would have to be serving a sentence of 8 years +, or even a life sentence.
Having a criminal record can be a real pain in the arse, at times. Unfortunately we live in a very judgemental society, so having a record can and will exclude you from certain things.
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Posted: 3/5/2009 3:14:20 PM | whitey1974 I have to agree with you. Im not defending prisoners/criminals at all. But they certainly dont get an easy ride.
Even if youv got all the best intentions in the world to turn your life around when you get out of prison. This judgmental society doesn't make it easy. Its near on impossible to even get agency work, or work for any big firm really, cos pretty much most employers will choose someone without a criminal record to one with. This is why they go back to their old ways of making money or violence due to the frustration.
My brother did a bricklaying course and a forklift driving course while in prison. Since out hes found it impossible to get a job. hes managed to stay out for two years. No job though.
I think they should get more help to integrate into society when they come out. | |
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Posted: 3/6/2009 1:25:57 PM |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/7927892.stm
Two men who murdered a Lithuanian woman before cutting off her head and hands have been jailed for life.
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The trial had heard that they thought Jolanta had up to £10,000 in a bank account and believed that no-one would know she was missing.
The pair bound and gagged the migrant worker at the flat she shared with Skirda in Brechin, Angus, on 29 March last year. They forced her to give them the Pin number for her bank card, then smothered her with a pillow. They then chopped up her body and dumped the severed remains into the sea. Her head was found in a plastic bag washed up on Arbroath beach by two young sisters. Her hands, also wrapped in carrier bags, were discovered by police on the same stretch of beach. The gruesome discovery sparked a major police inquiry and a suitcase containing Ms Bledaite's body was later recovered from the sea at Arbroath.
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She said the victim's family could not come to terms with the relatively comfortable conditions the two killers would experience in jail. She added: "They can't understand how they have TV in prison. The family don't even have electricity."
Not really sure what I can add to that considering the topic of this thread.... | |
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Posted: 3/6/2009 1:53:02 PM | ^^^ Thats is Terrible.
They have prison facilitys that fit crimes like that but they are cushyer than the normal ones! | |
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Posted: 3/6/2009 3:35:26 PM | OP I think you miss the point.Loosing ones freedom IS believe it or not a punishment.Pray tell, how many of these lags can go visit a mate down the pub or meet up with their girlfriend for lunch??
Maybe you think that treating a prisoner like complete shit will help the youngster feel that he can at some point be a value to society.Maybe you think that treating all young prisoners like the scum of the earth will help them achieve more on his/her release.
I have been a victim of crime and hope that the punishment and rehibilitation will bring some sence of order to a very troubled soul that attacked me and I dont believe that treating him like a complete****will achieve anything except but put a very angry frustrated man back on the streets.
Remember this -most of Britains lags are not carreer criminals and are not living the life of Riley in our penal establishments-some are no doubt but you cannot and should not make every other lag suffer for this.
If there is no believe in rehibilitation then bring back the death penalty but then you are condoning State Murder which IMO is a criminal and dispicable act. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2009 10:11:04 AM | well... firstly to everyone who says that prisoners should be treated in ways i can only describe as digusting shoudl take a trip down that path!!
THER ARE PLENTY OF MEN inside prisons that are there through LIES!
how do i know this? I went through it!!
i lost my home, my income my family my friends my life!!
and i have NEVER commited crime infact i dont even drink! all i care about is my daughter.. full stop!!
so when i was arrested and charged with FOUR counts of .. well there too disgusting to identify!!
I cried for months while goin back and forth to courts and hoping they would see the blantent lies that had been told!!
after the worst 5 months of my life.. at Cardiff Crown Court i pleaded not guilty.
and the prosecution said this:
" We have had late response from our clients who do confess that this allegation is pure fabrication and it false. we therefore offer no evidence against the defendant and reccomend a not guilty verdict "
I cried, i thanked the Lord that i could walk outside and breathe the fresh air and call my fiancee at the time to tell her how gratefull i was of my life!
but it made me realise, people who dont know what its like to go through the torture of prison ( or even facing prison. and might i add: my recomended sentence was 16 years! )
you have no right to judge how they are treated.
when all you have is four walls. you should be able to live as normally as possible!!
PRISON IS THE PUNISHMENT!!
YOU ARE NOT THERE TO BE FURTHER PUNISHED
the very fact you cant sleep in your own bed, or kiss your wife goodnight or read a story to your children!
think about how it feels for people inside. especially the ones who are there because of lies!
it makes me sick how people think that in prison you should have nothing apart from a bed and a shower!
PS i am not saying all criminals are the same.. emotionally some criminals dont care at all. and i agree these people are truly messed up... BUT i still do not think they should be treated like animals. they should serve there time, use it wisely and come out and respect life!
I am 18 years old. but i thank the Lord everyday for the blessing that is my life, and how good i have it!! stop and think about it!
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Posted: 10/21/2009 10:12:49 AM | | they also have internet access to a degree too... and the reason why most do not try to escape any more is because it is quite a nice life style in prisons apparently. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2009 10:28:54 AM | We did it better, addiwell in livingston close to edinburgh
http://news.stv.tv/scotland/east-central/58169-outrage-over-new-comfortable-prison/
Makes your blood boil, just a few crakers..
"They will enjoy facilities including a Microsoft computer room, a library, flatscreen Freeview televisions, and a gym hall and fitness suite.
The 12 wings also have "electronic kiosks" so that prisoners can check menus and order meals; check how much money they have in their accounts; top up phone accounts; and order goods from the canteen."
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"At the end of the day, any prison cell is a concrete box which we shut at night. The punishment is losing one's liberty"
if you take the word prison and the last sentance, you could describe that as a house,
yup... its disgraceful | |
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Posted: 10/21/2009 12:25:45 PM | | "Cushy" prisons are good for 1st time offenders depending on the offence. They need some normality if there we want to deal with reforming them, we shouldn't turn people into animals!!!!! If they are repeat offenders and won't "get with the programme" I don't care, shut them in a box and forget about them. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 10:37:07 AM | | My son spent 5 months in reading prison and 2 months in portland, weymouth. I can promise you it was no picnic. He was in for stealing for his drug habit. He was put in a cell with someone who picked fights and beat him up and later with a man who hanged himself. He has never gone back. I used to be terrified that I'd get a call telling me he was dead. I hear about these cushy prisons but aside from the tv and phones, are they really cushy? | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 10:50:15 AM | | Surely though it may have nice facilities and what we may consider luxuries but think about who your sharing that with? the looking over shoulder, the fear and the loneliness. Prison is a hard place, even open prisons and the media does a bad job of eroding the fear factor. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 10:52:07 AM | | lynx-1950: i walk past Reading prison everyday on my way to college... if people do go to Reading prison..it should be an honour in a twisted sense, because thats where oscar wilde was sent..purely for being gay lol. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 11:20:32 AM | Hi Lynx. I have worked in the Dorset prisons, although they look quite cushy, well Guys Marsh does, Dorchester and Portland YOI NO! I am very happy to be able to leave any time I wish too.
Forget TV, Gym, and all the things that you think are like a hotel, believe me it is not nice to be locked up 24/7 with no escape from other people ,noise, smells, and the same walls and faces day after day.
I have been to quite a few prisons as a drugs worker and I really, REALLY would not want to be incarcerated even for one night. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 12:26:27 PM | I remember seeing a program once on rehabilitation of young offenders and they had interviews with habitual career criminals, and many said that the fear factor was very high on their first visit during the first week when they were very jumpy and petrified of what might happen while still trying to find their way around.
A lot said that if you had taken them then and there after the first week and put them in another place like a rehabilitation centre then the fear would have remained of returning to that awful place and they would have worked to avoid ever having to face that again.
The most terrifying experiences had been when they were young lads say 16-20 and for some reason had been held on remand in very tough hard core prisons before trial. If they could have been plucked up then and put onto some kind of program for rehabilitation, the motivation to avoid prison would have been very strong
What happened though of course was that they had to remain and do the sentence so they then got used to it and realized that the fear was not as bad as what actually happened in the end. The general consensus was that once anyone had done a three month stretch, they would be able to cope and do any amount of time in the prison system. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2009 12:52:24 PM | | I quite agree exceptionalgirl, I was talking to a probation officer about how to prevent young offenders reoffending. We both agreed that a very short sharp shock is possibly the best intervention. One or two nights in a "hard prison" before the coping skills kick in, and then on to a community based penalty with lots of key work would work wonders on first offenders. We were talking about petty offences as well as serious ones... Prevention of escalation is always better than curing things when they get worse. | |
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