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| Isn't BC talking about the Upgrade to Serious Member?
Posted: 3/16/2009 9:20:44 AM | Paying for a service is great.
But when the site goes around handing out 'Serious Members' stars to random females for free what does that say about the screening process if there is one?
And as far as I know. No men were included in the gratuitous star giving event. Not that I'd want one now and pay for one, now that I've read some of the profiles saying "I got the star for free" Now I find myself suspect of females profiles because of this. Did they do the honorable thing and pay like everyone else...or did they jump on the 'Its FREE' band wagon while the rest have to pay?
It's like being told you got accepted to a very exclusive golf club, then finding out they are letting the public play the course as well. | |
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Posted: 3/16/2009 10:39:33 AM | ^^^^^Yup, I hear ya dude.
IF, it is that ya have to pay, then EVERYONE should have to pay for it, BOTH males, AND females, and NOT just one pays, and the other does not.
Further isn't it up to the OWNER of the profile, such as YOU and I, and OTHERS that have profiles on this site, to DECIDE, and have a SAY, IF THEY are a SERIOUS MEMBER or not, without having to be given, or signing up for a gold medal.
Are we NOT, the OWNERS of OUR profiles, or are we JUST PUPPETS, with profiles???????????
I would HOPE, that we are the OWNERS, of our profiles, and NOT, just PUPPETS.
Because, NO WAY, in H E L L, am I a PUPPPET, that is why, ya don't see me lining up for a gold serious member badge, because, I don't need one.
If I want to be serious, I will say so, and if I just want to be friends, then I will also say so, without a gold serious member badge. | |
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Xavery
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Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 154 | |
| Isn't BC talking about the Upgrade to Serious Member?
Posted: 3/16/2009 3:48:45 PM | I like the idea of bottom feeders uniting. It is soooo cute.
On a more serious note, I think POF owns our profiles. Notice what happens when you upload a photograph it says POF on the bottom.
I also think this because of reason court case to do with facebook. Some easterner was sueing over a car accident because his quality of life was seriously diminished. His facebook profile told a different story and was used as evidence against him in court. facebook also claims that what you post is their property. Apparently, privacy laws do not hold up in court because social networking sites are on a public domain - the Internet.
Please feel free to correct if me I am wrong. I am just putting bits and pieces of information together and am by no means an expert on the subject. | |
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Posted: 3/16/2009 4:36:44 PM | Xavery , sounds like it is time, to get a personalized trade mark, if that is possible.
As for putting a profile on either facebook, or even POF, it wouldn't hurt to check with a lawyer on that, to see if the property that you write is yours, or the site's that you write it on.
Because, after all, it is YOU, that YOU are writing about.
So, I wouls say that YOU own the profile, and the site owns the media that you write your profile on. | |
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Posted: 3/16/2009 5:24:55 PM | They don't "own" anything,,,but,,,,,since your photos are on the internet,,,,anyone can re use them anyway they like. Thus the warnings to the young ones sending "sextexts" out to each other. I know a fly shop back east uses a photo of me and a fishy as part of their advertisement and I didn't even get a thank you or a bottle  It's all there in black and white when you "agree" to using sites as this and that. Maybe some should start reading those things before you press "I accept". | |
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Xavery
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Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 157 | |
| Isn't BC talking about the Upgrade to Serious Member?
Posted: 3/16/2009 8:22:45 PM | Own may not be the correct word. I agree that we should really start reading what we are accepting before pressing the button.
I think we manage our profiles.
Here:
<div class="quote"> Sat, March 14, 2009
Judge rules man's Facebook content relevant
By THE CANADIAN PRESS
TORONTO -- Chatting with "friends" on social networking sites could have legal implications and turn Facebook users into their own worst enemies.
A Toronto judge has ordered a man suing over injuries from a car accident to answer questions about content on his Facebook page that is off-limits to the public.
Lawyers for Janice Roman, the defendant in the lawsuit, believe information posted on John Leduc's private Facebook site - normally accessible only to his approved "friends" - may be relevant to his claim an accident in Lindsay, Ont., in 2004 lessened his enjoyment of life.
Is POF not a social networking site?
Personally, while I have annoyed the odd poster with my views, when I post I always consider how my posts would look to others IN CONTEXT. Taken out to context, some of my posts look simply inane.
Recall, that all posting can be googled.
If you think you may be in court soon, perhaps a gold star is a good thing to have. Who knows? | |
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Posted: 3/16/2009 10:38:47 PM | We own what we say, and I know for a fact, and I for one will be the first to admit it, that I am NO perfect angel, not even close, and I am sure that I have said whatever that probably have ticked some people off, BUT, on the other hand, it is THEY, that take what I say, the WRONG WAY.
But, if it has to be said, it will be, and I expect, that not everyone is going to agree tho, and that is their right.
However tho, to each their own, choice and decision.
Soooooooo, ya are not responsible for their feelings just the same, the ONLY ones that are, are them themselves.
Also, I have learned a loooooooong time ago, and this is coming from my own mother, and not father, "Speak Your Mind Forever Hold Your Peace".
And I say, KUDOS, to her, for teachimg me that.
Sometimes, ya just have to say it, AS it IS, with some sort of discretion, BUT, to a certain degree tho, mind you, even if some people take it the wrong way, BUT, that is how THEY feel, that YOU are not responsible for HOW THEY feel.
"A Toronto judge has ordered a man suing over injuries from a car accident to answer questions about content on his Facebook page that is off-limits to the public."
That is simply amazing, they need to get down to the REAL reason WHY, the man is sueing over injuries, and leave the content of the face book out of it.
"Lawyers for Janice Roman, the defendant in the lawsuit, believe information posted on John Leduc's private Facebook site - normally accessible only to his approved "friends" - may be relevant to his claim an accident in Lindsay, Ont., in 2004 lessened his enjoyment of life. "
 This really all sounds rediculous, and stupid, as suggested before, they need to get down to the REAL reason, of WHY, the guy is sueing, and get the REAL reason for it, then trying to drum up something that may, or may not have ANYTHING to do with the reason for the accident.
Straaaaaaaaaaaaaaaange, how some of these court systems, and laws work these days, really straaaaaaaaaaange.
"If you think you may be in court soon, perhaps a gold star is a good thing to have. Who knows?"
That will be the day, that I need a "gold star" to prove my innocence in a court of law.
I have been stopped by the cops, a few times, and they have ran a check on me, and found NOTHING, a great big zero.
In fact, one cop could not find ANYTHING on me, so, he tried some of his STUPID CHILDISH tricks, to get something on me, just to say, he got someting.
Ahh, in those time, ya just got to laugh at the cop and say, hey officer, ya got nothing on me, DO YA.
Followed with something like, since I am paying for your wages through taxes, shouldn't you be going after the REAL culprit, that IS, wanted for something.
Like the Bacon brothers for one.
Some cops, I said SOME, cops can be reeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaal IDIOTS.
Also, I don't recall having a profile on facebook, and IF, I do, I don't even waste my time of going on there. | |
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| Isn't BC talking about the Upgrade to Serious Member?
Posted: 3/19/2009 2:37:49 AM | Greetz Bottomfeeders ...
and OP while BC may not be openly discussing it, most are flagged, tagged and zapped quicker than Harry Potter can find his wand...
Minmally a couple Dozen Posts which held an unfavorable Positions vanished into thin Air when the Gift Feature was shooed in 6 Months ago. But there is no flagging or tagging.
(Sarcastically) The beginning of the POF 2 tiered system...
The competition and segregation between the haves and the have-nots.
Sure, I am one of the fortunate ones who could afford to pay and become a "Serious" member, but I have to ask, why should I.
If I am going to pay to join a dating site, should it be for this one?
One of two things are going to happen, this will slooowllyyy become a paid site, having free members usage options being taken away bit by bit.
OR, this whole thing will die because of lack of interest in purchasing of this new "option", just like the $30.00 virtual rose that died on the vine....
That appears to be the Summary.
Yuppers, welcome to the new world of business, free of charge, for a time limit, trial bases, then you pay.
That's old, in Fact ancient, Passe`, but not new.
The people who become "serious" members are in a sense communicating that they waste money.
Esp. in view of the Fact anyone can enter into their Profile they are serious about Dating ... or not.
Many are now facing lean times, tightening their belts and cannot justify the luxury of a paid membership in a dating site. When I view a profile that does not have this gold seal I do not necessarily consider them less serious about dating.
Appears to be a Lure for Members using paid Dating Sites. Marketing Strategy.
In a sad way I am grateful for the Apartheid implemented on POF.
Separate Restrooms might be coming ...
So nope not reaching into my wallet, and not giving much credence to that little medallion that I have noticed popping up on some of the pictures that float by on my screen...
If this new Feature rubs you the wrong Way constantly being in your Face, messes up the up the upper Thumbnails Bar on your Search Pages, use Adblock and filter out:
http://www.plentyoffish.com/g.gifhttp://www.plentyoffish.com/serious.jpg
Will Marcus now enable these Serious Members to hide their profiles from all members who are not Serious Members?
Some married People were given some too ... 
Its going to take a while for me to figure out how much better it is at generating relationships but early data is saying it at least doubles your chances.
And how far would those Chances be reduced if everyone had one?
3. Forum users for the most part aren't serious daters, they don't send as many messages, they are far more picky, don't respond etc.
A Generalization, since this Statistic does not differentiate between Messages from other Forum Posters or new Users interested in Dating.
I wonder what other business there is, where the owner would get away with talking trash about their customers, right to their faces ?
That's become the Norm as of late ...
He may be speaking the truth about a few, or maybe many, however reading those words I wonder what else he thinks about the people that made him rich.
The mere Fact Reports do not get timely Attentions, no Office to field Responses should make that plainly clear.
Ir is about integrity and honesty that people complain. Remember this site grew on the promise you never pay
And we continue to lose Sight of that the longer these Issues are ignored.
The approach of introduction of the pay option sounds much like that of an inexperienced, unscrupulous university graduate marketeer setting up a company to be sold or brainwashing existing clients of a company to adjust to a corporate takeover or partial asset change and stay on board as such arrangements and the funds exchanged depend much on maintaining the client base.
I think you nailed that one dead on.
no really now...because we have had a great deal ...getting a Freebie for all these years now.... an some of us made good use of it too!
Just about everything has been going the Way of Ad-Sponsored Services. POF is not unique here, just caught the early Wave. It was and is a market Trend, not a POF originality. There were Plenty of free Dating Sites around when POF came to the Forefront.
If POF slowly graduates to some form of Paid Dating Site, it's quite possible another Free Dating Site will take it's place.
Oh ... the Freebies are just aching for him to turn this into a Pay Site.
So basically the majority here are ready to walk?
Basically its pretty well automatic now. Every time he comes with yet another brilliant Pay-Scheme, Users are hanging out in the Wings with a Bat.
One Stat continuously overlooked, is that those who squak the most are oddly enough those who care the most about this Site.
If you mess around with a good thing, it could go sour. I am going to write on my profile now. "I'm a serious member, but I opt for the free membership."
Good Plan. Don't forget to mention the $ 6 Coffee is on you.
n all honesty, ive noticed its mostly unattractive ppl with gold stars ....i dunno, maybe gold makes them look better....anyone else find this?
If ya got nuthin' else going, ya might as well ...
was wondering how long this was gonna take? so if and only if your serious about finding someone on here you should buy the gold star.......? i become more attractive to the opposite sex and i turn up in more searches.
It might just go completely anal.
"Before we go one step further, I need to see your Driver's Licence and Gold Star" ...
I still think creating a SEPARATE site for those who believe that paying for enhancements/better profile suggesting a "quality" (i.e. serious member) might provide some members with a needed assurance.
Yup, and he'll find out what we already knew along Time ago.
Just what we need more females signed up.......lol. Maybe I should think about changing my orientation!
Like, how about people that are serious about finding intimate encounters? Do they get Stars?
Of Course. You can make Profile Changes any Time you like.
It's a disease that gets worse with the more a person has they never have enough and want more and more. It eventually becomes a game at the expense of anyone they can fleece.
The Irony of it all. The more they have, the more they need.
As for the idea that people will respond more because they think you are more serious for paying, I don't buy it. I think desperate might be as good of a word. If it were so, then everyone serious would never be here and instead be on all the sites that have always been pay sites and the fact of my experience is nobody is anymore serious there than here. It doesn't matter a bit how serious someone is if they are not desirable and compatible in the view of someone looking at them.
Most definitely the most brilliant Post on this Thread. | |
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Xavery
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Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 161 | |
| Isn't BC talking about the Upgrade to Serious Member?
Posted: 3/19/2009 8:53:52 AM | I see that poster 162 is not gold starred. Congratulations for opting not to jump on the wagon.
If a person were good at designing websites they could design a free on like this site, so if POF every goes completely pay, they could attract the people looking for free dating sites. The owner of POF could even do this. It must take time to build a quality free dating site and perhaps timing is important.
I have enjoyed this gold star debate and am wondering what will becoming our way next. Now, where are the restrooms? | |
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Posted: 3/19/2009 10:14:48 AM | Wow.
It amazes me that this has gotten so much attention. This thread is the epitomy of redundant.... in a gold star "serious" way.
What happened to the sandwich thread? that looked like fun! | |
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Posted: 3/19/2009 8:56:53 PM | I still have to wonder.. although admin was generous  in handing out special badges for serious members, how does he know that the free badges actually go out to members who are serious???.... Does not make sense to me and enquiring minds want to know. Was it random, or did Markus hand pick his new serious members?? 
And that's all I got to say about that! LOL. Except good luck with your pretty new gold badges... hope it helps you find the "one".. LOL | |
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Posted: 3/20/2009 7:48:43 PM |
one guy earlier said he emailed a chick and she emailed him back that he was not a 'serious' member and not worth her time.... she paid, he didn't.
Just another excuse for not replying to my emails... sigh, like there aren't enough already ? | |
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Xavery
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Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 165 | |
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Posted: 3/20/2009 9:42:53 PM |
It amazes me that this has gotten so much attention. This thread is the epitomy of redundant.... in a gold star "serious" way.
Yes, I think you are right in a serious, clever sort of way. I suppose one is left wondering what a "fish" would be willing to pay for, because we can all probably be lured with the right type of bait and those of us who cannot should just stick to the forums. | |
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Xavery
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Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 168 | |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 7:24:19 PM | I found this at highscalability.com
Plenty of Fish Says Scaling for Free Doesn't Pay (1003)
Plenty of FishCEO Markus Frind, famous nerd hero for making over $10 million a year from Google ads on a free dating site he made and ran all by himself, now sees a problem with the free model:
The problem with free is that every time you double the size of your database the cost of maintaining the site grows 6 fold. I really underestimated how much resources it would take, I have one database table now that exceeds 3 billion records. The bigger you get as a free site the less money you make per visit and the more it costs to service a visit...There is really no money in being free and we have to start experimenting with other models now or we won’t be able to compete in 3 or 4 years.
As one commenter succinctly put it: the “golden time” of AdSense is over. Time to look at costs. The POF architecture is to run scarily huge tables on single machines. They also buy and maintain their own SAN. So it seems scaling up is what is increasing costs and decreasing profits. I wonder if the economics of cloud storage and cloud architectures might have a more linear cost curve
It seems like the golden age is over or beginning at POF, depending on how you view it. Whatever the case, you can sense that change is in the works. | |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 7:46:18 PM | The Incredible Shrinking Thread!!! See it grow!! See it shrink!!! Come one, come all, to see this marvel of modern technology!!!
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Posted: 3/27/2009 9:41:05 PM | It seems like the golden age is over or beginning at POF, depending on how you view it.
..."I’m letting hundreds of millions of dollars in revenues slip through my fingers every year by sending people to competitors sites.
All PR as far as I am concerned. Just Stories. Likely little more than instill a little fear into the POF User Base that POF Viability is threatened if it doesn't go Pay.
The Tunes are changed as frequently as the Stats show another Course of Action is more profitable. They watch them like Hawks, not because its a better Hobby than stretching out at Club Med.
There are plenty off Freebies out there that do quite OK as it is. If 1 User costs X-Amount of Dollars, it can be made so that 100,000,000 still inherit the same Costs, or even less. Otherwise a technical Issue exists that was flawed in the first Place, and has nothing to do with any Business Aspect. | |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 10:01:19 PM | The problem with free is that every time you double the size of your database the cost of maintaining the site grows 6 fold. I really underestimated how much resources it would take, I have one database table now that exceeds 3 billion records. The bigger you get as a free site the less money you make per visit and the more it costs to service a visit...
This is all true as far as it goes - POF is quite big enough for scalability to be a real technical concern. On the other hand...
There is really no money in being free and we have to start experimenting with other models now or we won’t be able to compete in 3 or 4 years.
Hahahahahahah What a load of BS... By his own admission POF is raking in millions of dollars per year profit and has only a handful of staff. "No money in being free"... yeh right.
Despite its start in obvious rubbish, though, there is a good point there. Lots of quite competent and serious commentators have speculated publicly that the whole model of funding a site through advertising will fade away with time. The reasons are obvious - nobody likes ads and there's steady growth in tools like AdBlock which just make them go away. So starting up a pay service because of concern about how things might go 3 or 4 years down the road is a worthy experiment. That doesn't mean it'll succeed, though.
The POF architecture is to run scarily huge tables on single machines. They also buy and maintain their own SAN. So it seems scaling up is what is increasing costs and decreasing profits. I wonder if the economics of cloud storage and cloud architectures might have a more linear cost curve
This is another mix of truth and BS. Yes, large tables are pretty much THE basic problem in scaling a web site. BUT ... technical solutions to that problem cost peanuts (relatively speaking). Even the cost of hiring gurus to work on the technical problems would still be peanuts compared to the money POF brings in.
He also conveniently neglected to mention that POF's large size is the reason there's so much interest in advertising here. It's not just true that 10 times as many users means 10 times as many clicks ... it also means much more interest so he can (one way or another) charge more per click. | |
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| Isn't BC talking about the Upgrade ?
Posted: 3/27/2009 11:24:23 PM | The reasons are obvious - nobody likes ads and there's steady growth in tools like AdBlock which just make them go away.
Most People were more than happy a few Years ago to click on POF Ads to support the Free Site Model, until the sleazy porn-like Banner Ads and you are the 999,999th Winner Cons started to show up. Further, many Users were having login & Browser Issues which often were not resolvable by any other Means but to block the Ads via Adblock and Hosts Files.
If anything, its a self-fulfilled Prophesy. Complaints about the offensive Advertising fell on Deaf Ears, but Posts which offered a Solution to were often quickly deleted by Administration. | |
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| Isn't BC talking about the Upgrade ?
Posted: 3/28/2009 1:30:18 AM |
Complaints about the offensive Advertising fell on Deaf Ears, but Posts which offered a Solution to were often quickly deleted by Administration.
AMEN
The possibilities are whatever the mind allows for, there are many ways a site like this can capitalize on for additional income. | |
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