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Posted: 3/10/2009 9:12:52 AM | How much longer are the good, law abiding, tax paying folk of this country going to be made fools of?"
Not everyone who lives in the UK is law abiding or pays tax, we even get people who deal drugs. Some of our own make fools enough out of the state. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2009 9:21:56 AM | Most billionaires in the uk pay zero tax to live here....under a Labout government how is this allowed to continue?
Billionaires and their taxes
By Nick Louth
September 14 2007
If you are on the average national salary of £25,000, you will pay 20% of your income in tax. If you are just getting off a benefit like Job Seeker’s Allowance into a minimum wage job, your marginal rate of tax will be close to 100%, as housing and council tax benefits are withdrawn.
But if you are a billionaire living in London, who spends much of your time abroad, Her Majesty’s Revenue & Customs won’t ask you for a penny of your income.
You will pay stamp duty on your house purchases here, council tax, VAT and duty on purchases made here, the London congestion charge if your vehicles are registered in the UK, and a variety of other levies. But nothing on your income or capital gains, whether UK-derived or not.
The oddly lax domicile rule
Is that right and sensible? The domicile rule, that is the rules on where you are based for tax purposes, is different in Britain to many other countries. Domicile is different from the legal definitions of citizenship, nationality or residence, and can be suprisingly elastic.
See how much tax you pay per month
The billionaire Indian industrialist Lord Swraj Paul is owner of the Caparo group, an active member of the upper house, a Labour party donor and chairman of the Olympics Delivery Committee. According to Wikipedia he has made his home in London since 1966. However, he is not domiciled here and pays no income tax.
Nor does Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich. Despite owning flats worth £17m in Lowndes Square, Knightsbridge, a £10m home in Belgravia and a £20m estate in Sussex, the Chelsea football club owner says he doesn’t live here. He is still resident in Moscow for tax purposes | |
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Posted: 3/10/2009 10:06:36 AM | | Boris's plan is complete nonsense. It means that there will be one law for British citizens and another for illegal immigrants. Having no right to be in the country is illegal but so is working and not paying taxes. Will British citizens living in London who work cash in hand and don't pay income tax be granted an amnesty from prosecution and no necessity to pay 'back tax'? I don't think so. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2009 12:40:31 PM | These people keep wages down and businesses open, that's the reality of it. However, they don't pay taxes and send a lot, alot of currecy out and away from this country.
But once they are here, it becomes expensive to repatriate them so, making them legal has all the advantages. We can start making taxes out of them. Would this encourage others? No, this actually wouldn't be a problem if there were adequate controls at souce.
The fact that they manage to make it here in the first place is the big problem. That journey needs to be addressed if not totally interrupted. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2009 12:59:48 PM | | They should be deported as soon as they are discovered living here illegally ,we have enough with the ones here legally ,and more so by the news tonite when british soldiers are hackled and booed and called basra murderers by a hand full of muslim extremists in luton when they had their welcome home march thorough city ,wonder what would happen if we went to iraq and held bannners and boo them calling them british soldier murderers we i think would be thrown in jail .its time this goverment got hard with people like them instead of **** footing around them | |
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Posted: 3/10/2009 2:34:02 PM | The immigrants that arrive here illegally and that have been refused asylum / visa.......have the right to appeal........so those that are awaiting appeal are in the immigration centres awaiting their appeals.......they can go on for years and years.
Thos immigrants where their visa has expired are allowed to stay in the home whilst they apply for an extension /renewal to their visa.
IMO If they are refused a visa, then they should have the right to appeal but only once after which they should be returned to their own country or nearest safe country. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2009 2:46:18 PM | Many people who seek asylum get bail, they don't get indefinite leave to stay. As for deporting people to their own country, many people would get shot on sight, that's why they seek asylum in the first place. Other near safe countries won't take them, that's the problem, you can't just deport someone to a country and go, on you go, take them, it doesn't work like that.
Some people aren't in immigration centres awaiting appeals, they are awaiting initial bail hearings. Why should people get to appeal only once, it's pot luck whether a judge says yes or no. You could be sending someone back to torture or death. I think there's an increasing culture of, as long as it's not in my back yard. Yes I am sure there is a criminal element of people seeking asylum, but there are also people who aren't. I know someone from Darfur who is 25 and every single member of his family apart from him was killed. He eventually got bail, which isn't indefinite leave to stay. He can't claim benefits, he can't work, but he is safe. It could be any of us depending on where we were born. It seems like some atrocities such as the ones mentioned in another thread, stir some emotions in people but because we are in economic recession, all we hear about are asylum seekers are the root of all evil.
Well I have someone where I live who sits on their arse all day and makes a nice sideline in dealing drugs. There's also someone in my block who has an illegal gun stash and is also a dealer and believe me I don't live in the worst housing scheme in Scotland, far from it. I'd rather have the person from Darfur as my neighbour any day of the week.
What about having a bit of compassion? | |
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Posted: 3/10/2009 3:00:55 PM | | Pauline check my msg16. like i said theres no safe country from dafur to uk? spain, italy or portugal even france? you could argue they wont except him, but so has the uk government. next time anyone chats to an asylum/illegal ask them why uk? | |
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Posted: 3/10/2009 3:25:55 PM | "An amnesty will be like a thumbs up to all the people who traffic in human cargo (the lowest form of human life) to get their cargo to Britain as soon as possible so it seems a strange proposal to me for that reason."
Pauline, I agree with you about compassion but you must be able to see the flipside? Too many issues here methinks and too many people have differing views. I think it is a case of muddling through it and see(ing) what happens but I appreciate that this is less than ideal...
For example, see above ^^^ | |
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Posted: 3/10/2009 3:27:48 PM | No more immigrants of any creed colour colour and esp religion. You mainly city dwellers accept diversity as the norm its not the norm its a menace and look at todays news. Cheeky Muslim scum now are protesting on our streets about British troops returning from operations overseas.Ignore this behaviour at your peril. Or be prepared to loose this country to apathy.
I'm sorry, we can all debate on these forums and have our own opinions but the above in my view is just about as racist as you can get. Can't you understand that there are Muslims who were born here and have been here all their lives and that not every single person who is not 100 per cent British, whatever that is, are scum? That's too far.
Yes I can see the flipside but having friends who if they were sent back to Palestine or Darfur or Turkey who would be killed, I know I would rather have them here. It could be any one of us, we really don't know how lucky we are to live in relative safety. As I said, my friends who are here aren't here on indefinite leave, it is very likely that some of them will be sent home to an uncertain fate. One is 22 years old and has already been tortured in his homeland and came here, he is settled with a year old baby who also has no status to remain.
There are human stories behind every headline, as I said, we all have our own views and don't have to agree but someone posting calling people Muslim scum? There's no words for that in my view. Yet we bang on about Great Britain and how fantastic it is to live here?
It's a free country I guess!
It's actually illegal to make comments like that online in the uk. People need to be very careful what they say regarding racist comments. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2009 3:30:25 PM |
No more immigrants of any creed colour colour and esp religion. You mainly city dwellers accept diversity as the norm its not the norm its a menace and look at todays news. Cheeky Muslim scum now are protesting on our streets about British troops returning from operations overseas.Ignore this behaviour at your peril. Or be prepared to loose this country to apathy.
will the floor recognise the right (ahem) honourable member for the BNP 
It's a free country I guess! | |
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Posted: 3/10/2009 3:53:13 PM | Telling the truth, calling people scum and hijacking several threads to get your message across? What exactly do Muslims do? Don't you realise that you need to be very careful what you say on the internet when it comes to potentially racist remarks and that the site owners are accountable for what people say on here? I don't know why you have had to hijack so many other threads saying the same things but you made comment that you weren't allowed to post. I think that speaks for itself.
You aren't even worth arguing with, calling all Muslim people scum really is sad, you sadden me.
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Posted: 3/10/2009 4:25:05 PM | | now msg16 and msg34 being ignored ... either it cannot be answered or do people do not want to accept the truth? phoney blair with the aid of his wife (human rights lawyer) made our borders a mockery! might as write any fcker welcome on white cliffs | |
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Posted: 3/10/2009 4:34:00 PM | I didn't ignore your messages, I read them both, you said to me the next time I speak to someone who has claimed asylum ask them why the UK, I presume that people think this is a safe country to be in, I cannot answer why not other countries but I'm quite sure people do seek asylum elsewhere in Europe. I haven't spoken to anyone I know since you posted to ask them. You could also ask why so many people from Poland or the Czech Republic want to settle here, maybe because they think their life will be better than in their relatively poorer country.
Immigration was ok and accepted in the 50s and 60s as we needed the labour, they took jobs that UK citizens at that time wouldn't touch, it's not a new thing. There have also been people discriminated against, eg Irish people, who often found it hard to get work and accommodation. My family are Irish and came over here in the 60s because of the troubles, does that mean I should return there, or is that ok? Where do we draw the line. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2009 4:40:39 PM | An amnesty simply makes a mockery of people who jump the hoops to come here legally.
Its a crazy idea, haven't we had enough of this idea of importing people to work on the cheap, in my eyes its just slavery, wrapped up in modern ways that they cheat and call diversity or multiculturalism. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2009 4:44:47 PM | | Poland, czech etc can do so under eu rules pauline an so can we settle there. please dont try and change the topic as is what your trying to do with eu members and irish arguement. next time you see the people you mentioned ask them why uk and not the rest | |
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Posted: 3/10/2009 7:41:59 PM | | Hello 1lovejelly! My fellow night-owl! I don't want to go off topic too much, but I feel I need to address the issue of racism on here. Racism is deplorable.............but religion, well that should be fair game for any comments. People choose their religion not their race, and people should be free to comment on anything that is a matter of choice. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2009 7:48:57 PM | buzbyesq I'll have you know I'm a lady night owl. Nothing remotely fellowish about me haha How goes it in Cardiff?
Also to keep on topic, if the word involved is illegal, then its against the law.
If they break the law, deal with them, no matter what nationality or religion they are. | |
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Posted: 3/11/2009 2:19:11 AM | | i wonder what makes them choose uk ,why not america ,or canada ,or australia , may be they do not have free health care , money from state to live on , an haven for every one | |
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Posted: 3/12/2009 9:29:04 AM | | if thats answering the questions pauline then you really out to have a career change and think about politics as you seem to have all the qualifications, not answering questions, then changing the subjects to suit yourself. | |
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Posted: 3/12/2009 9:30:23 AM | Poland, czech etc can do so under eu rules pauline an so can we settle there. please dont try and change the topic as is what your trying to do with eu members and irish arguement. next time you see the people you mentioned ask them why uk and not the rest
Yes and Polish people also encounter a lot of racist abuse, that is my point, there are plenty people who want Poles to return home as well. My point about Irish people was that they were discriminated against on settling here, that's racism. As for my point about immigration being ok in the 50s and 60s, then maybe you would like to answer me, why was it ok then and not now? People were welcomed here in previous times and not now. I'm also very sure a lot of people seek asylum in other EU countries not just the UK.
Your muslim barber, GP, person in the local takeaway, their forefathers must have settled here at some point, so, it's ok for them to be here and not people who seek asylum now, where's the reasoning behind that? Shame you have to resort to personal abuse to make your point but that's your perogative.
if thats answering the questions pauline then you really out to have a career change and think about politics as you seem to have all the qualifications, not answering questions, then changing the subjects to suit yourself.
No badge, I'll be booking my flight to Iran because according to you, Scotland doesn't want me.
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Posted: 3/12/2009 9:48:17 AM | | yet again you mention personal abuse, obviously people arent allowed to debate you points in which you have clearly got wrong yet again. poland are members of the eu and allowed here. irish people were allowed here in the 50s and 60s and still are. concerning the 3 people you mention who i know, who said they were foreign? i didnt i just said they were muslim, never said anything about them being foreign, now whose persuming things? and where did i say they were asylum seekers i never? obviously you cannot read the post writers opening post as it concerns illegals? or carnt you seem to grasp the concept yet again? as again you do seem to drift away from what the topic is about and to always suit yourself. | |
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Posted: 3/12/2009 9:53:33 AM | yet again you mention personal abuse, obviously people arent allowed to debate you points in which you have clearly got wrong yet again. poland are members of the eu and allowed here. irish people were allowed here in the 50s and 60s and still are. concerning the 3 people you mention who i know, who said they were foreign? i didnt i just said they were muslim, never said anything about them being foreign, now whose persuming things? and where did i say they were asylum seekers i never? obviously you cannot read the post writers opening post as it concerns illegals? or carnt you seem to grasp the concept yet again? as again you do seem to drift away from what the topic is about and to always suit yourself.
It wasn't just Irish people who were welcomed here in the 50s and 60s was it? It was people from Pakistan, India, Jamiaca and many other countries also. My point is, we can welcome people here when we need them for cheap labour as happened in the 60s but when we don't they aren't welcome. I didn't say for one second that your Muslim friends were asylum seekers either. What I said was, it was ok for their forefathers to settle here and not people who are currently seeking asylum, that is entirely different from calling them asylum seekers. I can actually read, I'm just trying to make the point that in times gone by immigration was welcomed by this country and now it isn't.
I am also perfectly aware that your friend who works in the local takeaway could be white anglo saxon protestant and have converted to being Muslim but I think that might be a bit unlikely, however, you know them, I don't.
As for the criminality of the issue, most people become criminals because they enter here under false passports. That's slightly different from being a drug dealer or a terrorist as was alluded to earlier. The topic is about immigration but whether or not we like it, we were the ones who originally opened the UK borders and now we want to shut them because it no longer suits us. I also wouldn't make comments about people's levels of literacy on here, either reading or writing skills.
Oh shoot me for diversifying from the topic ever so slightly, not that any other threads on here ever go that way is it?
"and to always suit yourself.", everyone on here suits themselves, whether it be calling someone a drug dealer, nhs tourist or terrorist. If that's not making a sweeping statement and diversifying off topic, I don't know what is.
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Posted: 3/12/2009 10:02:02 AM | Just to make things clear:
Racism - resentment of certain groups of people based on their race
Xenophobia - a fear of foreigners, not necessarily based on race
Religious discrimination/persecution - fear/resentment of a group of people based on their religious beliefs.
Seems to me these words are getting thrown around without people actually knowing what they mean... | |
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