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Posted: 3/12/2009 3:16:01 PM | | seems to me that the thread was about boris johnson and illegal imigrants earning amnesty ,and peoples views on that ,every body is entitled to their own views ,if people want to bandy words back and forth to one another surely they would be better messaging each other , | |
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Posted: 3/13/2009 4:12:06 PM |
Do you think this proposal is a good idea or do you think the wrong message is being sent out to those wishing to enter or remain in the country illegally?
Terrible idea!
It will encourage greater numbers to come here......this country needs immigrants like a fish needs a bathing suit. | |
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Posted: 3/13/2009 9:40:18 PM | i have the answer to this we adopt a sting operation like the police do in the usa ,,we advertise that they all have to come and collect a national insurance number and a cash starter pack ,,, then round em up n ship em all out when they arrive to collect it ..
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Posted: 7/9/2009 1:21:03 PM | Yes. I say reset the clock. Make them legal citizens. Not 2nd class slaves.
These are actual proper human beings, often with children that many of you wish to deny basic health care to. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2009 1:50:15 PM | | the issue here is numbers..there is far too many on this little island..i wonder how the polish goverment and people would feel if 4 million brits.germans.french and dutch settled in there country in the next 4 years..? or any other eastern european country..how would they feel and cope with large numbers settleing in there lands..? | |
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Posted: 7/9/2009 2:04:43 PM | As a business owner I support cheap labour, as a human being I feel sorry for a number of my mates who are now unemployed builders and IT contracters, all laid off and replaced by cheap immigrant labour.
I feel that immigration lowers the quality of life in this country for the working class as it drives the wage bill down and puts many hard working people out of jobs, it also puts the underprivileged futrther in danger as immigrants receive priority council housing.
The labour party are 100% to blame for all of this. They've had consistent warnings from the countries leading economists and they chose to ignore all of them. Many businesses are failing because the working class majority customer base can no longer afford to spend money on their products and services due to lower wages etc. What happens next.... yup you guessed it, a recession. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 2:15:00 AM |
i wonder how the polish goverment and people would feel if 4 million brits.germans.french and dutch settled in there country in the next 4 years..?
Oddly enough, the Polish government is trying to convince Poles to return, as there is a labour shortage!
It's funny how people bang on about how hard-working some of the Poles are - so why aren't they 'hard-working' in their own country?
I feel that immigration lowers the quality of life in this country for the working class as it drives the wage bill down and puts many hard working people out of jobs, it also puts the underprivileged futrther in danger as immigrants receive priority council housing.
The labour party are 100% to blame for all of this.
I agree.
If the government has shown some backbone, there wouldn't be an immigration ' problem' to solve, and Bojo's proposal wouldn't have been necessary. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 2:25:30 AM |
It's funny how people bang on about how hard-working some of the Poles are - so why aren't they 'hard-working' in their own country?
Actually, I've always banged on about how hard working the Poles who come to this country are, not the ones who remain behind who I have not met.
Generally, people who have the energy to get up and move to another country are the type who are honest and looking to improve themselves through hard work.
This is from experience of employing them (paying full english rates by the way, not cheap labour rates.) | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 2:53:23 AM |
Actually, I've always banged on about how hard working the Poles who come to this country are, not the ones who remain behind who I have not met.
Quite possibly, but I wasn't referring to those, as I haven't encountered any of them either.
Generally, people who have the energy to get up and move to another country are the type who are honest and looking to improve themselves through hard work.
I agree 100%..............my question concerned their apparent inability to perform that way in their own country.
Immigrants enrich our society and make this country wealthier and make it a much better place to live.
No, they don't.
It was the conservative government that removed worker protection rights extending the time before someone could complain about unfair treatment and dismissal to two years and this government that reduced it back down to 12 months. They should have had the courage to give workers rights from the first day of employment.
So Labour is 100% to blame for the current situation!
It is the Conservatives who are also intending to abolish the minimum wage should we be insane enough to elect them at the next general election which will lead to much lower wages and greater exploitation by employers and thus increase the number of low wage immigrants coming to the UK.
The minimum wage should be abolished. It drives down the rates of pay for all lowly-paid people. If an employer wishes to pay next-to-nothing, that is HIS choice, and people have a right not to approach him for unemployment. If no-one wishes to work for him, he might be forced to increase his rates to attract workers.
Lucky for us our rights and protections as employees are being given back to us by the European Union.
'Given back'?
'Imposed' by the EU, more like...... | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 2:58:12 AM | The minimum wage should be abolished. It drives down the rates of pay for all lowly-paid people. If an employer wishes to pay next-to-nothing, that is HIS choice, and people have a right not to approach him for unemployment.
Leading to more immigrant workers flooding in to this country willing to be exploited by employers.
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Posted: 7/10/2009 3:05:46 AM | British ObamaI
disagree.
Immigrants enrich our society and make this country wealthier and make it a much better place to live.
hmm, I'm not sure how that can be true, are you talking about them bringing food and culture? I for one appreciate a good curry, I've even sampled a whole load of african and jamaican cuisine, yummy for my tummy! Tried some polish food too, great, well erm some of it.
Now lets forget the blanket tree hugging statements and get back to the real world shall we, jobs and wages. I personally have seen the wages plummet in the IT sector, a 3rd line support tech now gets paid the same as a mcdonalds worker, why? because the market is Oversaturated. Companies now demand MCSE qualifications like they are GCSE's, why? same reason, market oversaturated.
If the working class all earn less, they have less money to spend in shops, restaurants, pubs, clubs and any other business establishment. What happens then is a knockon effect as business owners earn less and we are forced to downsize.
The conservatives are trying to abolish the minimum wage because it doesn't work, it's attracting the wrong type labour to this country, many of whom have no intention of staying, just pocketing the money and taking it out of the country.
As a 1st world country we should be inclined to protect our statu. If you want to help people less fortunate then go to their countries and do voluntry work, oh wait, you can't be bothered, you'd rather preach from your armchair, ok so how about donating some food or clothing, oh no wait can't do that either, ok what about sending them money, no stop!!! that's what 40% income tax payers like myself are for! Let's build them all penthouses!!
Gordon Brown is constantly giving away half of my wages to unemployed bums, immigrants and 3rd world countries instead of collecting my bins on time, fixing that pothole at the bottom of my road, tending to my health needs and providing a school that isn't overcrowded with foreign speaking immigrants. I sometimes feel I would be much better off living in a 3rd world country, because at least then what I earn I get to keep!
Hug an immigrant, hug a treeee! vote labour and then hug another treeeee with an immigrant sitting in it!! Hug 2 trees and 4 immigrants and then plant a forest full of trees with immigrants and live happily ever after!!! lol  | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 3:14:41 AM | MSG 60
Hope this helps
It did.....on various levels.
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Leading to more immigrant workers flooding in to this country willing to be exploited by employers.
Absolutely!
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I personally have seen the wages plummet in the IT sector, a 3rd line support tech now gets paid the same as a mcdonalds worker, why? because the market is Oversaturated. Companies now demand MCSE qualifications like they are GCSE's, why? same reason, market oversaturated.
Exactly!
Reducing the number of people available to do these jobs will raise the rates on offer.
If the working class all earn less, they have less money to spend in shops, restaurants, pubs, clubs and any other business establishment. What happens then is a knockon effect as business owners earn less and we are forced to downsize.
Basically, it affects everybody in the country... | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 3:16:46 AM |
The bottom line is we should not reward those breaking the law of our land.
They have been initially refused entry to this country for a reason and have sought access through illegal means .
We don't reward anyone else who breaks the law do we ? (ok other than MP's anyway).........I'm sure once upon a time law breakers were even punished .........god forbid !! | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 8:14:06 AM | Something to suggest that immigrants don't jump the housing queues
http://www.foreignersinuk.co.uk/news-report_immigrants_don_t_jump_council_housing_queues_963.html
As for immigrants being blamed for businesses paying them less and putting UK workers out of jobs, why not blame the businesses that thinks it's acceptable to treat foreign workers in this way?
There are other people who pay tax apart from those taxed at 40 per cent. As for people being unemployed bums, yes I'm sure there are but there are plenty of people out of work who want to work and people being paid off daily. Who knows when anyone might need to claim benefits.
I don't agree that the miniumum wage works, people should receive a decent standard of living for the job they do. All benefits such as working tax credits do is allow employers to pay awful wages and people having to apply for benefits to top them up.
The recession was due to banks being mismanaged and the Labour Govt using funds to prop up the banks. I don't see that the recession had anything to do with immigrant labour, people being paid off and not being able to spend their wages. People have been paid of as a result of this recession, if it were merely due to some people being laid off because foreign workers were moving into the job market it could have happened some time ago and it wouldn't be on the scale it is on at the moment. The recession is affecting everyone, from the highest earners down, not just people who are termed "working class", by virtue of what they do or what they earn. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 9:11:48 AM | This country is looking more and more as though it's on a highway to hell with each passing day.
It all comes down to the fact that immigration, whilst having a devastating effect on the day-to-day lives of working class, it's beneficial to the upper classes and the establishment as it provides a ready source of bargain basement labour.
Before long the chickens will come home to roost; how long this will take remains to be seen. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 10:11:40 AM | MSG 67
Something to suggest that immigrants don't jump the housing queues
http://www.foreignersinuk.co.uk/news-report_immigrants_don_t_jump_council_housing_queues_963.html
Tiny problem with the link and the topic under discussion - it does not refer to asylum seekers.
The thread is concerned with those who would be covered by Bojo's Amnesty - clearly referred to in both the thread title and the OP.
People have been paid of as a result of this recession, if it were merely due to some people being laid off because foreign workers were moving into the job market it could have happened some time ago and it wouldn't be on the scale it is on at the moment.
If the migrant workers weren't here, then those Brits who have lost their jobs would be able to do the jobs that the migrants currently do.
Perhaps this is what Brown meant when he said "British jobs for British workers"? A Brit loses a job, so a migrant has to give up his! | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 10:54:35 AM | Pauline.
When it comes to council housing different ethnicities and social groups are graded according to the stats of the local area, these yardsticks have been adjusted many times over the last 20 years. My friend, a stats analyst at the council confirms this.
EU immigrants are filed under "white other" and "european" or "eastern european" whilst British citizens are marked under "white British, British asian, Black british" etc. Asylum seekers and illegal immigrants are also flagged "white other" even if they are black, however they get fasttracked becuse they get an extra flag for asylum seekers. In adjudication circles the "white other" flag is the new "British Asian" flag which was demoted years ago.
The way normal immigrants jump the queue is purely by listing themselfs as "white other" then "Eastern european" on the forms which is prioritised over other groups. If they list themselfs as "other" then the system will not flag them.
What you read on that website is politically correct propaganda. It simply isn't true. Ask anyone who works as an adjudicator for the council and they will confirm I am correct.
The reason the government can legally imply they are not doing it is because immigrants have the choice to list themselfs as Polish, lithuanian etc. So to legally deny the acusation a spokesperson can say "the council does not give any special housing priorities to an individual that lists themself as Polish" or even better "when calculating housing points the government does not give Eastern Europeans priority over English people listed when it comes to housing" which is correct they don't, why? because English people are not listed in the stats at all, they are put under British. are you starting to understand how loop holes are created?
You see with government documents and legal forms, it's all about wording, there are loopholes and legal scams in everything from applying for a driving license to filling out a tax return and claiming benefits. The immigrants are simply exploiting a bad system probably created intentionally for their benefit. I know of a loophole that should I wish would allow me to legally claim tax credits and housing benefit despite owning my own business. I'd be happy to share it with you and before you scream tory scumbag nope, this loophole was created by Gordon Brown. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 1:12:27 PM | Well when you talk about queue jumping, I live in a council house and I can assure you that many of the immigrants in my local area live in the scheme I live in. Which is currently 25 per cent full. There are other immgrants who live about 6 miles away, again, they are put in housing stock that a lot of other people don't want.
There's not a lot of queue jumping going on there. As for housing officers allocating housing to people. I've been to several housing interviews and interviews to determine priority for housing as part of my job. It simply isn't a matter of ticking boxes and then along comes a house, it's quite a rigourous process.
If there is any abuse of the system going on, then local housing offices are at fault for letting it happen.
As I said, there are loads of Polish people where I live, and many Scots people would not touch this area with a bargepole. The people who came over from Somalia who live in the next town have been stuck in one of the most anti social areas that people are queuing up to get out of not into.
Yet it is widely accepted that immigrants get to the top of the queue before anyone else and get quality housing in the process. That simply isn't true.
People can only get to the top of a queue if there is a queue in the first place and a lot of the time, there isn't.
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Posted: 7/10/2009 1:30:58 PM | Sticking to the topic, it beggers belief how 400,000 people can wonder around the city, its quite worrying.
do they have false documents or work cash in hand?
out of the 400,000 how many are criminals, terror suspects or a cell in Waiting?
does it put an end to the sham of the i.d card?
what law i would love to see is anyone housing illegals, there property gets took of them, anyone employing them illegally the business has to shut permently. By christ i could solve our problems!! | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 3:26:16 PM | A large percentage of illegals come from EU member states, which means the UK government can do nothing other than wrap them up in cotton wool and tar anyone who objects with the racist tag.
Do you think we'll get a vote on forced multicultralism?...
P.S 400,000 you say, I would times that by three and you'd be somewhere near to the truth, | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 5:06:06 PM |
As I said, there are loads of Polish people where I live, and many Scots people would not touch this area with a bargepole. The people who came over from Somalia who live in the next town have been stuck in one of the most anti social areas that people are queuing up to get out of not into.
And I suppose the exodus of Scots has nothing to do with the influx of Poles and Somalis? | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 5:17:26 PM |
And I suppose the exodus of Scots has nothing to do with the influx of Poles and Somalis?
Absolutely nothing to do with it. The schemes were empty before any asylum seekers moved in. The area I live in and the area I was talking about have been used historically as a dumping ground for any anti social tenant in the area, or where people needed accommodation quickly. One of the girls who lives in my block has been evicted from three tenancies in the last five years, you put several families of that ilk in the same area, then it's not an easy place to live. I took the flat I live in because I was not a priority for council housing but wanted my own accommodation. In central Wishaw or Motherwell you would wait 20 years for a house but in these areas you would walk into a house the same day.
The scheme I live in has a bad rep, but the one the Somalians live in, you walk down the street and you aren't from that area of Lanarkshire, you are lucky to walk out in one piece. Anti social behaviour means that a lot of places are emptying, as soon as people can afford to move out and on, they tend to do so. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 5:26:45 PM |
Absolutely nothing to do with it. The schemes were empty before any asylum seekers moved in.
I have to accept your word because I know nothing about the areas.
I am puzzled however, by your earlier comment:
The people who came over from Somalia who live in the next town have been stuck in one of the most anti social areas that people are queuing up to get out of not into.
If the places were 'empty', why are people queueing up to leave?
Are the Somalis queueing up to leave already? | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 5:55:16 PM | I did say that they were 25 per cent full. I've been in my block 14 years, there used to be 16 flats occupied, there are now 7, and by the looks of the flats when you pass them, there are some blocks with one person left living in them.
Why are people queueing up to get out of schemes that are already low in numbers? Various reasons. The scheme I live in is flatted, which may suit some people, but one of my neighbours has three kids and lives in a 2 bedroom flat, her 3 kids share one bedroom. Some people want out because the accommodation isn't appropriate. Some people got out because they bought their own home, or because they waited on the housing list long enough and moved on. Other blocks were demolished because they had so many voids that it was costing the housing more money to repair and upkeep than the rent they were getting in. One tower block across from me ended up totally empty, because when people moved on, no one else wanted to move in. The areas have a bad rep and some people just won't go near.
Some people were decanted because their blocks were flattened. However, there are people who want to move on who are still waiting and have been waiting up to ten years for a move. Just because you want out of somewhere, even if it is an anti social area, doesn't mean that you will get out. The only way I'd get out of here is if I bought my own home.
My neighbour, the girl who is overcrowded, has just got another council flat elsewhere, she waited 7 years for it. I should have made it clear that I meant that immigrants and asylum seekers are being put in parts of my local area that Scottish people won't touch with a bargepole. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2009 6:47:23 AM | | I suspect if they need medical treatment they go to A and E and give a false name I dont believe they actually do checks. | |
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