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Posted: 9/16/2009 5:47:38 PM | Its not racist - you're chosing not to date them, or only to date a certain race.
Racism is if you say you hate a particular race, regardless of colour (well I think so anyway). | |
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Posted: 9/16/2009 6:00:15 PM |
People, for instance a white girl, can say "I only want to hear from black men, because I prefer black men" without being racist, bit she is guilty is discrimination!
I could say "I don't want to hear from men" and your right I would not be homophobic and again I could say "My preference is women only" and again I am not being homophobic but I am discriminating against men but I hope you would agree that is my choice, my preference and your argument is rubbish.
People can date who they want to and can discriminate against age, height, education, money or race it makes no odds to anyone but them. | |
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Posted: 9/16/2009 6:11:52 PM |
I could say "I don't want to hear from men" and your right I would not be homophobic and again I could say "My preference is women only" and again I am not being homophobic but I am discriminating against men but I hope you would agree that is my choice, my preference and your argument is rubbish.
People can date who they want to and can discriminate against age, height, education, money or race it makes no odds to anyone but them.
The difference is the difference between prejudice and preference
And the only person who truely and honestly knows the difference between the two is the person who makes the statment your right, but there is a difference between the two
Preference and prejudice... | |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 12:25:08 AM | (dons the wellies)
Saying you only want to date black women because I like them better is ok it isnt RACIST but...
Saying you only want to date black women because they have nicer booties than english girls isnt ok, it is making a distinction between a member of one race to another, which is racism.
Hmm....so what is the difference between the racial discrimination in those two statements?
In the first, every race other than black is being discriminated against, whilst in the second, it is one particular race (thank you for acknowledging that black girls are a different race to English girls, btw) which is being discriminated against.
People, for instance a white girl, can say "I only want to hear from black men, because I prefer black men" without being racist, bit she is guilty is discrimination!
Ignoring the poor spelling, can I take this to mean that you think that it isn't 'racist' of a white girl to state that she only wants to date black men, but that she is guilty of ''discrimination'?
Aren't 'racism' and discrimination along racial lines the same thing?
EVERYONE knows by know there is some very subtle and not so subtle racism proliferating this forum
There certainly is, and some of it is far from subtle! | |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 12:48:07 AM | Ive never been out with a coloured girl, have been out with one with mixed race kids, i wouldnt rule it out if i liked her, i tend to say i have a never say never attitude. I tend to draw the line at fat birds though, its because i dont find anyone over a 16 attractive. You cant help what you like or dont like. It doesnt have to be racist.
Ps before anymore sends me a message calling me a "fattest" look in the mirror and decide who out of me and you is the "fattest" | |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 10:24:01 AM |
Hmm....so what is the difference between the racial discrimination in those two statements?
In the first, every race other than black is being discriminated against, whilst in the second, it is one particular race (thank you for acknowledging that black girls are a different race to English girls, btw) which is being discriminated against.
I would have expected a man with your level of intelligence [or level of claimed intelligence] to have known the answer!
I mean it was you who asked the question in such a way as to suppose nobody knew the answer wasnt it?
You see you seem to mistake the lack of people who know with the lack of people with the desire to converse with you about it, and there are several very good reasons, one of which is above, which is in my discussion about race with you you have accused me of being racist, now I know you know the definition of that word, so I know you knew what you were saying when you said it.
I do not acknowledge there is a difference between the two, it is my opinion that we are all of the same race, we are all humans, which is a race of people, and both of those in the example are in that race.
But its nice to see where you see there are points to be scored in it all, most instructive, destructive too because it is the reason nobody wants to converse on the subject with you, or should I say its why I didnt want to converse on the subject with you, because of fear of being accused of thinking something I dont.
The text quoted isnt based on my belief, it is based on what some people might say, there is a difference.
Im not going to defend myself against it as people would expect, im not going to say I cant be racist because I have had girlfriends who were not english, Im not going to say I cant be racist because I know and like people who are not english, Im simply going to say Im not racist because that is not the way I think.
Ill say that again so its clear, Im not racist because its not the way I think.
I do of course aknowledge there are different ethnic groups.
Thats not racism either!
Ignoring the poor spelling
point to you!
Ignoring the poor spelling, can I take this to mean that you think that it isn't 'racist' of a white girl to state that she only wants to date black men, but that she is guilty of ''discrimination'?
I would offer no opinion if a girl states that she has a preference to only date men who are black because I dont know why she does, It could be because that is her preference, much like some men prefer women who have blonde hair or big tits, a nice bum or blue eyes
[and Ill say here and now "a black man" is a term I dislike to a high degree, but I must use it to convey my point of view]
Aren't 'racism' and discrimination along racial lines the same thing?
No.
I would have thought you would have known, the OED definition is quite clear on the meaning of them both.
You have already said racism is the belief that each race has distinct and intrinsic attributes.
discrimination is unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice
Or are you now changing your views based on a different definition of racism? | |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 12:42:01 PM | MSG 256 Try to keep the number of comments about my intelligence to the level of 'nil', please.
I mean it was you who asked the question in such a way as to suppose nobody knew the answer wasnt it?
I haven't a clue what this statement means, but I asked a simple question, viz:
"so what is the difference between the racial discrimination in those two statements?"
I'm disappointed that you chose not to answer it, but you aren't obliged to.
The point is that I considered there to be an element of discrimination along racial lines in each of the two scenarios you mentioned, yet you thought that only one of them contained it, hence my question.
you have accused me of being racist
I think you'd better provide the quote in question - I don't recall making any such comment about you.
The text quoted isnt based on my belief, it is based on what some people might say, there is a difference.
You referred to two scenarios and expressed your opinion on them. You said that one scenario did not contain any 'racism', and that the other one did - if expressing an opinion is not the same as stating a belief, then I plainly don't know what those words mean!
Im not going to defend myself against it as people would expect, im not going to say I cant be racist because I have had girlfriends who were not english, Im not going to say I cant be racist because I know and like people who are not english, Im simply going to say Im not racist because that is not the way I think.
I would offer no opinion if a girl states that she has a preference to only date men who are black because I dont know why she does, It could be because that is her preference, much like some men prefer women who have blonde hair or big tits, a nice bum or blue eyes
Er.....you said that she would be guilty of (you used the word 'is', for some reason) 'discrimination' - again, that was offering an opinion on her actions.
I asked:
"Aren't 'racism' and discrimination along racial lines the same thing?"
You answered:
No.
I would have thought you would have known, the OED definition is quite clear on the meaning of them both.
Indeed it is!
(I provided one of them in MSG 200)
OED Discriminate: (against) make an unjust distinction in the treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of..........race.
Racism: Discrimination against or antagonism towards other races.
Hmm......they look pretty similar to me! Care to explain the difference between them? | |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 1:46:59 PM | People should just date someone that makes them happy... black/white/chinese/hispanic/Asian etc.
Happy Fishing Peeps
A.x | |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 4:36:01 PM | (scratching my head)..... i have seen profiles with preferences for only english men..... no Irish or Scots even Welsh. I have also chatted with Carribeans who when they found out that I am African ended the conversation. Now I couldnt call those instances rascim can I since its black on black or white on white? I then wonder what term to use. Need help here......
I am black and will much rather prefer to know early on that someone does not want to talk to me. It saves me time and also effort. In as much as I believe that there are good women (and men lol) in every race or country, I also do believe that those women (or men) should have a right to their preferences without being called out to defend it.
We have a saying back home that when peeps are truely looking for something, they do not always have the luxury of deciding where they must find what they are looking for. Its just natural lol...
much love..... | |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 4:55:01 PM |
MSG 256 Try to keep the number of comments about my intelligence to the level of 'nil', please.
That was a turn of phrase, not an estimation of the a level
This isnt a personal argument after all, not on my part anyway.
People should just date someone that makes them happy... black/white/chinese/hispanic/Asian etc.
Happy Fishing Peeps
A.x
Thats exactly how I feel too, it doesnt matter to me either way, and I do get sick of the who thing, but sometimes it needs to be said, if only to educate.
I haven't a clue what this statement means, but I asked a simple question, viz:
"so what is the difference between the racial discrimination in those two statements?"
I'm disappointed that you chose not to answer it, but you aren't obliged to.
The point is that I considered there to be an element of discrimination along racial lines in each of the two scenarios you mentioned, yet you thought that only one of them contained it, hence my question.
Ill explain both together.
I didnt answer because they were not about discrimination on the basis of race, but racism.
Subtle but distinct difference between the two.
The problem is your unwaving trust in the OED, and your reading of it.
I think you'd better provide the quote in question - I don't recall making any such comment about you.
Here it is.
(thank you for acknowledging that black girls are a different race to English girls, btw)
Racism is believing the is a difference between the two, that statment reads as to suppose I believe there is a difference between black girls and English girls, when I dont, because im my mind there is no difference, they would both be of the same race, they would both be of the human race.
You referred to two scenarios and expressed your opinion on them. You said that one scenario did not contain any 'racism', and that the other one did - if expressing an opinion is not the same as stating a belief, then I plainly don't know what those words mean!
You place the example statment and the opinion together, I do not.
The statment is not my opinion.
Er.....you said that she would be guilty of (you used the word 'is', for some reason) 'discrimination' - again, that was offering an opinion on her actions.
The problem comes from moving from a generic to the specific.
The "is" is used because of syntax
It could be because that is her preference
It could be because that her preference
HTH
Indeed it is!
(I provided one of them in MSG 200)
OED Discriminate: (against) make an unjust distinction in the treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of..........race.
Racism: Discrimination against or antagonism towards other races.
Hmm......they look pretty similar to me! Care to explain the difference between them?
This is the full definition of each.
racism
• noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races.
discrimination
• noun 1 the action of discriminating against people. 2 recognition of the difference between one thing and another. 3 good judgement or taste
You cant quote a source and then pick up on only the parts that suit your side of the argument and ignore the other parts if they do not suit your purpose.
If I was to quote like that in a paper at uni then it would be thrown out on the basis of miss quotation, or incomplete quoataion, however.
Knowing how to use the information in the OED is even more important than using it.
A good isntance of the difference between the two would be this
I can discriminate again somebody who has blue eyes in the statment "I dont like people with green eyes but I do like people with blue eyes, and the reason I dont like people with green eyes is because my old school head master had green eyes and he used to cane me.
or
If you associate yourself with the labour party you will devide your custom right down the middle, and everybody knows conservative junk is better quality than labour junk
Both are discrimination but not rasist.
The difference between the two is simply because you think that there is a difference between the two and because you just dont like them.
Or do you think that there is no difference between those two? | |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 6:32:03 PM |
Ps before anymore sends me a message calling me a "fattest" look in the mirror and decide who out of me and you is the "fattest"
I shouldn't laugh, but that did make me giggle...
Did your messages increase as a result of the above comment? | |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 7:40:49 PM | Colour or race doesn't matter to me - if you are ginky you can forget about mailing me with an expectation of a reply - how very dare you !
If you are in touch with your inner animal, I'm your man.
I have a horror of try-to-hards and folk who have too much self-confidence without just cause. I'm very sorry but I do not exist to aid you in labouring under the misapprehension that you are mildly interesting.
'nuff said | |
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Posted: 9/18/2009 12:30:31 AM | MSG 260.
The OP had asked:
Would those posters that agreed size is shallow also agree that colour is also or is it just simply preference or maybe you view it as being racist considering we arent allowed to discriminate against skin colour in all other areas of our lives ?
I didn't have an opinion on the matter either way, and in MSG 242, I admitted that:
"As for people stating their racial preferences (pro or anti any particular race) I can see both sides of the argument, and none of the posts here have convinced me that such a matter is 'racist' or not."
I still hold that view, however, it is clear that many posters have a clear opinion on it, and a few seem to think that certain discriminatory acts are fine, but not others. They are plainly 'confused', and I suspect that it is either their latent racism or their lack of comprehension of the English language that is causing their 'confusion'.
Having read your posts, I suspect that you fall into the latter group, which is why I have been pointing out the meaning of the terms used here.
I didnt answer because they were not about discrimination on the basis of race, but racism.
Subtle but distinct difference between the two.
Well, on one level (in the definition you supplied) there is no distinction between the two.
'Racism' IS about 'discrimination on the basis of race', viz:
2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races.
The term 'discrimination' is rather prominent, don't you think?
You place the example statment and the opinion together, I do not.
The statment is not my opinion.
Really?
In MSG 249, you stated:
Saying you only want to date black women because I like them better is ok it isnt RACIST but...
Saying you only want to date black women because they have nicer booties than english girls isnt ok, it is making a distinction between a member of one race to another, which is racism.
In that case, I apologise. I clearly took the words in bold to be your opinion on the two scenarios. In that case, if they aren't your opinions, whose are they?
The problem comes from moving from a generic to the specific.
The "is" is used because of syntax
?????
So, you reckon that the statement:
People, for instance a white girl, can say "I only want to hear from black men, because I prefer black men" without being racist, bit she is guilty is discrimination!
makes perfect grammatical sense? I can't see it, myself..... shouldn't the second 'is' be 'of'?
You cant quote a source and then pick up on only the parts that suit your side of the argument and ignore the other parts if they do not suit your purpose.
Er.....yes, I can! I will choose a particular definition of a term if it suits my argument, just like anyone else can.
A good isntance of the difference between the two would be this.......Both are discrimination but not rasist.
Er......'race' isn't mentioned in either, but 'discrimination' is! Any discrimination based on 'race' comes under 'racism', according to the supplied definition.
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Posted: 9/18/2009 7:48:50 AM | Have you noticed it's just white males arguing in this thread? Futile... and I notice a lot of insecurities coming out.
For the record; obviously it's not racist, preference is not discrimination. Racism by definition is discrimination by race. Also, noone has a RIGHT to date anyone else.
Slightly off topic; I've known white men and women to couple up with black people because they fancy the stereotype, and due to that have quite racist ideas of what a black man or woman should be. That situation is awfully common lately thanks to pop black culture and, hopefully, Obama will change that. However, that's a whole different discussion. | |
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Posted: 9/18/2009 7:52:09 AM | | I only date white men. My heart, my mind, my body, my choice. Label me what you like. I don't give a rip. | |
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Posted: 9/18/2009 8:04:53 AM | Is this still prattling on?
If you want to date your own race only fine.
If you want to date outside your race fine.
If you want to date a one legged camel called fred fine but expect some funny looks along the way until it becomes widely accepted to date one legged camels called Fred.Though be warned the minute it is deemed widely acceptable to date one legged camels called Fred some bugger will stick a big bloody PC alert label across Freds forehead.
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Posted: 9/18/2009 8:24:14 AM |
Would those posters that agreed size is shallow also agree that colour is also or is it just simply preference or maybe you view it as being racist considering we arent allowed to discriminate against skin colour in all other areas of our lives ?
There is a difference between discriminate and differenciate
I girl can be very pale, have a great tan, or have "black" skin, its not racism to differenciate.
And even in the above you can narrow down the differenciation without being racist.
Well, on one level (in the definition you supplied) there is no distinction between the two.
'Racism' IS about 'discrimination on the basis of race', viz:
OED definition of racism
• noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race.
There is no mention of discrimination in there.
?????
So, you reckon that the statement:
makes perfect grammatical sense? I can't see it, myself..... shouldn't the second 'is' be 'of'?
Im not discussing syntax spelling or anything related here, its not a points scoring contest is it ?
Er.....yes, I can! I will choose a particular definition of a term if it suits my argument, just like anyone else can.
Well in that case I chose the one quoted above, the 1st definition from the OED, as it suits my purposes better then yours.
(goes to buy a new pair of wellies because the only ones have desolved in it!) | |
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Posted: 9/18/2009 8:25:17 AM | | I had a South Park moment where I actually thought that this thread was going to be about the colour of the themes you prefer to apply to your profile when you have built up your 5000 points!!! | |
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Posted: 9/18/2009 10:06:06 AM | nice one Octo777
This is now doing my head in....
We all have views on this, no one is right and no one is wrong, it's called personal choice. Put it on your profile or dont, it doesnt matter.
THANK GOD we live in this great country to have free speech. | |
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Posted: 9/18/2009 3:23:10 PM | I wouldn't waste my time stating on my profile any colour preferences that I may or may not have, as nobody reads profiles anyway!... 
You can prefer who you like, you just gotta hope they like you too! | |
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Posted: 9/18/2009 4:02:45 PM |
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Ages ago I showed a preference, and paid my points and got the leopardy thing on my profile 
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