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Posted: 3/21/2009 11:57:19 PM | Thanks again for the feedback. I was prepared to read more bashing yet all you men and women did so civilly. Thank you, sincerely. 
I just have to clarify a few points many have assumed (and I'm sorry if I gave that impression to some) but which are incorrect:
1) I actually don't have a dog in this fight. I can see it both ways, guys. I can even see how seeing two men kiss (like in a movie) can make you cringe. Sometimes it's even hard for me to watch (weird huh). I was raised "straight" in the same society you all were, so just because my brain is one-way doesn't make me unaffected by society and what you are told or shown to be right or wrong growing up. At least I had great parents who weren't overly religious or unsupportive in any way. I don't get points for recruiting people and I'd be wasting my time: While anyone can try anything just out of curiosity or to spice things up, true biological sexual attraction that you automatically start to feel either way as a teenager or earlier (before having tried anything) is not a choice and can't be changed unless you alter the brain.
2) This the last time I am going to repeat this (so please don't keep misquoting me): Although I did say this may sound sick especially to homophobic or insecure men, I DID NOT BY ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SAY if you find it a turn-off or wouldn't do it you were then by default homophobic or insecure, nor do I believe that. However, when people in society or in this thread get angry, overcompensate, act threatened and call names, that is a different story; it is about respect and civility. Of course most men probably wouldn't, but my prefacing statement was only wrong if you think there are no homophobic or insecure men, many who may be secretly bi-curious but suppressing it, which is who I was talking about.
3) I also DID NOT BY ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SAY that anyone who says no is lying because they have a name and profile and are not anonymous, nor do I believe that. If you re-read it, what I said (or meant) was that there are always going to be people who are less likely to be honest when not anonymous, so polling in a forum like this with profiles and pics can never be as accurate as anonymous surveys are, no matter what the topic (or else why do you think surveys are conducted anonymously in the first place???), so some may not be totally forthcoming.
4) Finally, for the ladies: I guess when I started the thread I wasn't thinking as hardcore as many. What I meant, and what I had heard from women in the past, is that since they are always submissive and their man more dominant sexually by definition, they'd kind of get off on seeing their guy with another guy, like getting serviced or servicing a guy, not taking it in the rear. The men who I know that were not really gay but have done something were usually just those that wondered what it would would feel like to service a guy orally, because that is something they can never feel, not even by doing it to themselves (well most can't, LOL). Also, some people think it is hot when their lover will do something sexually that they are asked just to please them (within reason that is). Men and women do this all the time as few have the exact same sexual tastes in all areas. Many women have said that is kind of a turn-on that a guy will let his guard down just for them, and subsequently then they lust for him even more. I am talking psychology. Does this better clarify what I meant or make sense to you women?
Anyway, thanks again. I respect all opinions as long as they're not nasty or misquoting me or attacking me or any other member personally.  | |
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Posted: 3/22/2009 6:36:00 AM | I think it's totally hot. And OP - it is my experience as well that many other women enjoy seeing MM interaction.
As many have said before, don't knock it until you've tried it. In fact, why do people feel the need to knock it all?
Any hint of homophobia from people around me is an instant turn off. | |
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Posted: 3/22/2009 10:03:45 AM | Iv enjoyed FFM and MMF, i dont know why so many people here are so closed to giving it a go, all i can say is they havnt had the opportunity to try it out or choose not to for whatever reason, but OMG you people have no idea what your missing.
I used to fantasize about it once, then i took the plunge, tried it and liked it and want it more often.
PHX if you dont mind me adding, your HOT! | |
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Posted: 3/22/2009 12:04:28 PM |
Although I did say this may sound sick especially to homophobic or insecure men, I DID NOT BY ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SAY if you find it a turn-off or wouldn't do it you were then by default homophobic or insecure, nor do I believe that
OP, is it possible that some homophobic men AND women may find watching same sex action sort of a turn on? There are many reasons a person may be a homophobe. Just because I find male on male personally revolting does not, in any way, make me homophobic. No matter what your intentions it does look like you were branding people with differing preferences/opinions. I'll conced that often a partner enjoys a certain sex act thier partner does for them just because they asked them to. It's submission and/or sign of desire to please a partner. But everybody has thier boundaries. I wont sit here and spell out my views or statistics or stuff for why I disagree with same sex lifestyles(both sexes). Bottom line I state my personal preference.
As much as many guys(and some women) may find girl on girl some kind of a turn on I've also seen the effects of a friend coming home to find his wife in bed with another woman, she left him that day and filed divorce before he could. He's probalby the most non-emotional man I've ever met since that event... | |
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Posted: 3/22/2009 1:28:40 PM | Thanks for your response redlance71 and you have a good point. The only thing I am curious about in your example is that the husband did not leave his wife, it was the other way around. Would he have been fine sharing his wife with another woman or having MFF three-ways?
I guess it depends on how you define "homophobe". If homosexuality doesn't turn someone on it is because they are straight and of course that is not homophobic. However, I think the term applies to people (mostly men) who get angry about it or protest too much or just lose it when you mention it. That is different. This can be because they have some latent feelings in themselves that troubles them or otherwise just that in past years, when people our age and older were growing up, we only saw women kissing each other or expressing deep emotion or sensitivity, or male-female intimacy, and then we are taught what it means to "be a man" (don't cry, show emotion, etc.). But I knew I had that attraction in me very young (before I knew what "gay" was or meant), and yet had simultaneous feelings of being turned on sexually, but being turned off when seeing it on TV or in a movie. I still feel weird seeing men hold hands in public because I don't think our society is ready for that, but I know it is illogical. If I can feel that way then I can see how straight people can too. The difference is, while being interested or not interested in one gender is biological and not a choice, being "disgusted" is something we are subconsciously taught via society & the media. We don't realize how much we pick up as just "right or wrong" because we do or don't see it growing up, even when it intellectually shouldn't be that way. Just like anything else in life, things lose their shock value when it is seen or experienced repetitively.
You can see what I mean if you ask yourself to logically explain why it is worse to see two men vs women. It comes naturally to many in our society to just automatically "seem" worse or disgusting, so we assume that is because it just is so by definition. But when you ask anyone to intellectually give one good reason why it is worse, they can't. You can't say it is because men are supposed to be masculine, because two masculine men could be together, looking, acting and sounding like men and playing rougher than women. You can't say it is because sex is for making babies, because straight and gay couples can do many things besides intercourse sexually, yet we still have that reaction. We are just taught what is normal by what we are shown, and many societies are different (in Europe, people don't even blink at seeing topless women on the beach or people changing clothes on the beach in public).
For straight guys, imagine the opposite: People were only supposed to be with their own kind, same sex, same race, same age group, etc. But then you know how much you suddenly got into females growing up as teens or at a young age -- totally horny for them. Now imagine knowing how that came strong and natural to you, but you had to hide it and not let anyone know you liked women, and instead talk about men when around others as if you liked them, and only see men with men on TV or film. You even dated men or married them to be considered normal, all with the same feelings you have now for women but just trying to hide them or suppress them or sneak around. Wouldn't that suck?? That is exactly how it was for me and almost any gay guy I have spoken with, although things are a little more forgiving for kids today. I had no gay influences growing up and an idyllic great childhood, yet I knew my attractions when I was a little kid (although I was more romantically into females and sexually into males).
I don't argue if people still want to hate gay people (or black people or handicapped people or whatever), as long as you know it is not a choice for them when making up your mind on what rights they should have (or you should have being heterosexual in a same-sex world in my example above). Fortunately (or unfortunately) I could fit in easier because I never came off or was suspected of being "gay" and could avoid much animosity and prejudice, which effeminate gay guys, people of other races, women, disabled people or any other suppressed minority cannot do. I finally realized I am just "me" and don't fall neatly into box A or box B. | |
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Posted: 3/22/2009 2:22:33 PM |
I guess it depends on how you define "homophobe".
See, now 'homophobe' is a mis-nomer.... we don't call a racist a 'orientalphobe' or a 'caucasianphobe' or a 'negrophobe' we simply call them racist... by the same token we should call someone who is against homosexuality as a 'samesexist' or something like that... you get my drift...????
Yet 'homophobe' was coined as both a descriptor and an implied insult... as in you don't lie homosexuals because your afraid of it.... homophobe basically translates as "fear of same"...
Yet fear often has no basis... 'aracnaphobics' have a paralysing fear of spiders...
'agoraphobics' have a fear of open places (agora means market - used to be the only place you'd meet crowds and open areas....)
But no one I have ever met is afraid of homosexuals... but calling someone a 'homophobe' is a targetted word deliberatley used to incite people... we don't call a gay or lesbian a 'heterophobe'....
To me calling a straight person a homophobe has the same connotation as calling someone with dark skin the 'n-word'.... It's repugnant and invasive and insulting.... and like homophobe it both insults the person receiving the name and the person who uttered it.... | |
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Posted: 3/22/2009 2:37:49 PM | I have to admit I am pretty open minded when it comes to sex. There are so many possibilities of course there is something for everyone. Then again, not all fantasies are meant to be acted on. That's when fear sets in - assumming your partner wants to act out a fantasy. And that's a shame because sharing is really where its at!  | |
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Posted: 3/22/2009 6:21:45 PM | Redlance71,
You reek of hypocrisy. Female-female is a homosexual act. If you're interested in looking at female-female, you're interested in homosexuality. Period.
While you're entitled to your fetish, what riles me is when straight male dorks take the high ground with their double standard. Girl-girl hot, guy-guy gross? That's a classic double standard which reeks of high-minded hypocrisy. You're entitled to your fantasy but you're not entitled to your hypocrisy. | |
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Posted: 3/22/2009 8:52:57 PM |
Any hint of homophobia from people around me is an instant turn off.
Homophobia is an irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality, homosexuals, or individuals perceived as homosexual.
I think this word is sometimes “ thrown out” and “thrown at” people without warrant. Some definitions of homophobia leave out the irrational part. With that definition, I guess I would be a “homophobe” because I can say that I have a rational aversion to homosexuality. I can have this rational aversion without offending or discriminating against anyone for what they choose to do with their lives.
As many have said before, don't knock it until you've tried it. In fact, why do people feel the need to knock it all?
The OP asked for opinions on would you. I don't think you have to do something in order to have an opinion on how you might feel about doing something. IMO | |
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Posted: 3/22/2009 9:04:52 PM |
I have to admit that I do get very turned on by watching man-on-man porn (especially if the two men are hot). However, it's never been a fantasy of mine to watch my hubby with another man mainly because I don't like to share my man with anyone else and because I know he'd say "NO FRIGGING WAY"!
I had a girlfriend who had this has a fantasy, and she wasn't shy about sharing it, often with details. It used to bother me not so much because the idea of it was a turn on for her, but because if I had been willing she would have been only too happy to make it happen. I was bothered because for me the idea of my mate being with ANYONE else, male more female, is a huge turn-off, and I could never accept that she didn't care.
While it doesn't bother me that some women would be turned on by two men together, I don't think I would ever attempt a long term relationship with another woman who is turned on by the idea of *me*, he exclusive partner, being with another man (or woman for that matter).
Same goes for me with another woman - I'm not into women and wouldn't just do it to please him.
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Posted: 3/22/2009 9:17:48 PM |
You can see what I mean if you ask yourself to logically explain why it is worse to see two men vs women. It comes naturally to many in our society to just automatically "seem" worse or disgusting, so we assume that is because it just is so by definition. But when you ask anyone to intellectually give one good reason why it is worse, they can't.
Well...I can...but only for me personally but might be why it is predominantly so for other. And I think there was a hint of this earlier in the thread....maybe not.
I see(and have throughout my life seen) women hugging and kissing (whether they are homosexual, bi or hetero) every day of our lives.
Mothers and daughters, good friends or whatever. Women tend to “show” their affection publicly (to either sex) more so than men do.
A guy will give his SO or daughter a hug and kiss...he will give his son, brother or even good friend a hug...but there is a time limit.
I believe that logically...this would explain why I am more comfortable with FF. I’m just more used to seeing it with FF than I am with MM.
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Posted: 3/22/2009 11:53:19 PM | PhxNiceGuy Alright wild man, let’s talk. Dude, you are killing me. First off, your approach is so bad that you’ve got m_church and I on the same side! That’s like Strom Thurmond and Ted Kennedy linking up. If you want to think that your “Whoa is me…I can’t understand how anyone could think that…” BS is actually going to get anyone to believe you…go right ahead and believe it. NONE of my anger had anything at all to do with the question you posed per se; but your backhanded ways, and some not so backhanded ways, of dissing people who disagree with you; and the inferences and assumptions you make; and with your revisionism of mine and other responses. Got that? NOTHING upset me about you asking about women having the fantasy of seeing two men make out…NOTHING.
Wow Windloverr, you sure like to "cherry-pick" quotes ... The operant term here being “quotes”. YOU wrote that stuff not me; and I noticed how you didn’t address, defend, or explain ANY of the quotes I referenced. It’s on you man.
Again, it is very interesting that all the anger and outrage comes from (some of the) straight men: those that have no problem seeing two women together … then assume it is for them to decide what a woman's fantasy should be …. (and gee, does it have anything to do with you being a straight man, many who shudder at the mere thought of a question like that, but drool over two "lipstick lesbians" doing it?) Hey, I missed it. (and don’t even pretend that you weren’t implying that I was in that group) I’ve posted on soooo many threads here I can’t remember them all. Would you please copy and paste the post, and my response, that indicates how much I’m into seeing two women together? AND the one where I indicate what women’s fantasies should be? Thanks. Sorry dude, back on you...
I feel sorry for women who settle for men like this. ...Maybe that is why so many women actually like hanging out with gay men: respect and understanding. Me too on women settling; and the hanging out thing also has to do with NO sexual tension; and the fact that a lot of gay men are so much easier to truly relax around. Although SOME gay men assume all straight guys are secretly gay; although those who do will deny it.
...(but by all means go ahead and assume you know me so well and my intentions if it helps you vent). .... Not venting dude; just calling you out. Ask your question; but ease up on the labels.
... when what you should have said is your own inferred idea of my "superiority of intelligence and experience". Not telling me what I should have said are you? Wow, that’s an accusation that sounds familiar. For the record: That’s your fantasy, not mine. I have NO such idea, real, implied, or inferred, regarding your superiority. Although, I will go on record as saying I think you are fairly bright; it’s just that you aren’t NEARLY as clever as you think you are. By that I referring to you pretending you don't really understand what the anger is about; and your PRETENDING it's really the subject matter that people are upset with, and not your methods.
many women got what I meant and answered the question without any threat or perceived hostility. My my my…let me see…could that be because…they weren’t grouped with,
(especially homophobic on insecure men) when it was stated WHO MAY be offended? You point to a group you didn't attack, and say Oooooo...they didn't get offended, so I must be right. Wooo Hoooo...you go guy.
What anger or issues do you have that you chose to take it that way? ....the things you have said are indeed hostile, no inference necessary: The things I said were indeed hostile. Read my other posts; I have no problem at all rising to the level of hostility when I see an appropriate application. ”What anger or issues do I have…” Read my other posts, note the patterns, I NEVER get hostile over ideas that are not in themselves hostile; and this isn't one, so, again, don't pretend…I get hostile over bullies, and people who perceive themselves as superior, or perceive others as inferior, and I get hostile with hostility. MY ISSUES are with people who, try to accent their own superiority by showing the obvious inferiority of anyone who disagrees with them or their approach.
...Actually you are the very one who is angry when you see opinions that differ from yours. Your fantasy, not mine. Again, it has NOTHING to do with your opinion…
We all know anger stems from men who can't dare to think of homosexuality unless it is with two women for their own pleasure. ....Actually, to me, perceiving a threat when there isn't one is exactly what I meant when I used the word "insecure". ...  LMAO! You’re killing me! “We all know” that’s where anger stems from huh? Keep trying guy. Also, keep dreaming, I do not perceive YOU as a threat to me, my masculinity, or my sexuality in any way, shape, or form. You wish. You must have missed the part where I said I used to live in a gay household; AND the post where I referred to two men kissing in public as “having balls”; AND the one where I was pointing out to a few people that gay men think and feel EXACTLY like straight men with the exception of sexual preference. However, I never did post about offering a gay friend of mine to ride with me back to the park to point out the two straight guys who just beat him up for being gay, so I could beat the sh!t out of them. AND I didn’t post where the flowers, catering, and hair at my wedding was all done be gay men, FREE OF CHARGE, because they were all such close friends; so you couldn’t possibly have known that. Dude…don’t f*ck with me about my conservative, bigoted, chauvinistic attitudes; or my insecurities; unless you have a clue what those might be. MY "anger" has to do with your perceived superiority, and condescending attitude toward people who don’t agree with you. Period. Also, I'm NOT actually angry; I'm just not putting up with your BS.
And since you asked, the first-hand experiences I spoke of were from men that weren't gay or that I met in a gay setting, so it has nothing to do with me being gay or who I hang out with, unless you mean just more relaxed or open-minded people who are secure within themselves. LMAO…that is EXACTLY who I mean. That’s where your “this is normal, and you must be insecure to disagree with me” bull$hit comes from.
(really just general public, not designated as "straight" or "gay"). Ahhhhh…so these are perfect strangers who in no way self selected to be in your company that you walk up to on the streets and ask, “Do you fantasize about two gay men making love?” Work with me dude.
And if you suspect my diabolical intentions and hidden gay agenda, then ask, don't tell me what's my intention. Whoa! Your paranoia…not mine. Please cut and past the part where I discussed your “intentions” or “agenda”.
Thanks and I am truly sorry I dared to pose this unspeakable and shocking question, Can we end this now or if not, at least continue civilly? The question is cool…ask away…just don’t label or accuse or imply things about people who disagree with you. You, however, made MANY assumptions and implications, about me and others, but NEVER ASKED, so I’ll tell you. I am happy for people when they can be open and honest with themselves and others regarding who they are; who they care for, and who they love. I cannot imagine NOT being able to do so myself. Regarding gay porn…I’ve seen it, and found it as exciting as cleaning the oven. It simply doesn’t do it for me. Sorry. Besides, the acting, quality, dialogue, etc. is sooooo much worse in gay porn. Yeah dude, hate to break it to you, but everyone who is NOT excited about gay sex issues is not insecure with their sexuality…rock on. Pi$$, moan, point imaginary fingers, and play stupid all you want; if you say something I agree with, I’ll say so; but, when you take on your accusatory and Miss Thang attitude; don’t get pi$$y, when I take offense. Ohhhhhhhhhhhh…SNAP! | |
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Posted: 3/23/2009 12:14:21 AM | newside: I think it's totally hot. And OP - it is my experience as well that many other women enjoy seeing MM interaction. As many have said before, don't knock it until you've tried it. In fact, why do people feel the need to knock it all?Any hint of homophobia from people around me is an instant turn off.
wildgreenwitch:
Iv enjoyed FFM and MMF, i dont know why so many people here are so closed to giving it a go, all i can say is they havnt had the opportunity to try it out or choose not to for whatever reason, but OMG you people have no idea what your missing.
These are such interesting comments, because knowing some of the other posters, I know that like me, they have lived very progressive lives and have varied experiences that might make these two young women blush. But that was often when we were in our twenties and unmarried. Grew up in a very European semi Bohemian academia lifestyle and in many ways still live this way. But maturity also teaches that being true to what one believes is damn important. So if someone doesn't find the idea of butch women getting it on or two men, it doesn't make them anti gay/lesbian. And I say this as a progressive sane all California woman!
Just because someone doesn't like Monet but prefers Warhol doesn't mean they dont like art. Just because someone from Wyoming loves beef and someone from Santa Barbara loves veggie burgers doesn't make one of them anti great food. And just because someone finds Jane Austen interesting doesn't mean someone should denounce them because they don't want to live as she did. | |
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Posted: 3/23/2009 12:59:30 AM | | I just wanted to say that I'm straight and never been committed to a man. I have fantasized about gay men all my life, and actually many times fantasized that I had a boyfriend who had a boyfriend who lived with us in a quasigay paradise of male beauty. In reality, of course, I probably wouldn't enjoy it. | |
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Posted: 3/23/2009 6:24:15 AM | Human sexuality is interesting, frequently throwing up curve balls in the form of disconnects. That's why it is incorrect to draw a conclusion from a voyeurism paradigm to an experience paradigm. In other words, just because "x" turns you on visually, it doesn't mean that you like experiencing "x".
For example, it's well known that some lesbians like to watch male-male porn. These lesbians are turned on by the sight of two men going at it. However, these lesbians are not remotely interested in experiencing sexual activity with men. There's a difference between their voyeuristic desire and their experiential desire. | |
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Posted: 3/23/2009 7:26:55 AM | i love this thread, particularly watching all the i-drink-beer-and-read-zoo-mag-dont-talk-to-me-about-gays kind of blokes post their 2p worth! it makes me laugh watching people oppress their sexual desires in the form of denial.
i personally have (except for cottoning on to what everyone else was saying in school) never had a problem with homosexual people. granted, alot of gay people annoy me - i cannot stand the girly-girl approach and the way that otherwise normal lads which iv known for year have all of a sudden started walking, talking and acting like a girl, so much so that i cannot even stand talking to them any more. but this isnt an issue with homosexuality, its an issue with the attitude which many have adopted.
i have many gay friends and grew up around alot of gay and lesbian people (my girlfriends dad when i was 13-16 was a young at heart kind of guy who still goes out clubbing every weekend and has a wonderful group of friends). it was a refreshing break from the sh!t me and my friends used to get up to, and it was good to be around so many amazing older people. i think this is where i discovered most of my tolerance for gay people.
anyway, this is beyond the subject of the thread.
would i go with another man for the benefit of my girlfriend? hmm. if i really loved her, and i knew it was an absolute ultimate turn on, i would most probably consider it. i would consider it because i like to try new things. and whats the worse that could happen? even if your life fell down around you over it, your girlfriend would still be there loving you more than ever. as long as it made her happy i would take it into consideration as long as it didnt put any strain on the relationship.
and the people going on about HIV and AIDs, thats absolutely ridiculous. dont make me laugh. if your saying that, then you might aswell make the outspoken statement "I AM SCARED TO SLEEP WITH A BLACK AFRICAN GIRL INCASE SHE HAS AIDS". racist? yeah. in the same way that saying it about gay people is homophobic. | |
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Posted: 3/23/2009 1:18:45 PM | To Windloverr: After all my posts explaining word-for-word what I meant (namely Posts #78 and some in #83) I now see nothing will convince you that I intended anything other than what you tell me I intended. I didn't realize you knew me so well after 3 days in a forum. Everyone else seems to understand, but no explanation, apology or attempt to be civil will convince you of anything other than what you say I intended, so believe all you want. I am not interested in your laundry list of how "open-mindedly gay-friendly" you claim you have been in the past (this is not about a "gay/straight" thing). I am interested in what you've show here in telling someone else what they feel and what they intended, even when they explain and tell you it's not so. That is the apex of arrogance to me, but nothing will change you and I really believe it is "on you" now as you say. And yes, once again I will state: you attacked me directly & personally, though I never attacked anyone. You persist to tell me what I mean, though I had never claimed to tell you what was in your head. Your copy-and-paste quote HTML-style does not back up anything you say as again they are cherry-picked and you left out huge chunks and then translate the rest to your own liking. The many posts and further discussion on here are in black and white for all to read and speak for themselves and so far, you're still the one that insists you know better than anyone (including myself) what is in my head. I no longer feel the need (or care to) convince or explain anything to you, so believe yourself to be as all-mighty and omniscient as you do about everyone else's motives if that's your style. I'll leave it to everyone else to read my explanations and see if they still don't understand what I meant or still believe the way you are trying to spin things. 
To ant_doyle: You are unbelievably brave! While I was taken aback at some of the outrage initially expressed by the men here, I also stated that I never expected or intended for men to respond like you did either, especially after all that has been written. It is very refreshing, not because you say you might consider it, but because you can speak and see things logically without it threatening your masculinity or heterosexuality. Maybe they are more progressive in Australia? To me, it doesn't show me you are gay or bi, but that you are just secure within your heterosexuality not to go ballistic.  | |
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Posted: 3/23/2009 1:33:18 PM |
And yes, once again I will state: you attacked me directly & personally, though I never attacked anyone.
I don't understand whether you just don't get it or you are being deliberately obtuse...
you are attacking by your confrontational style of posting... in essence you have posted a statement/queston and then said everyone who does not agree with your stance is homophobic or insecure.... | |
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Posted: 3/23/2009 1:42:52 PM | Sorry m_church, but I think it is being "obtuse" for you to continue asserting that over and over, after just reading my post above and especially Post #78, where I said I explained that very accusation for the last time.
And no, I never attacked anyone personally or directly as I was attacked initially. What part of that don't you get???
Anyway: "Dead horse, meet m_church and windloverr, the two guys carrying clubs".  | |
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Posted: 3/23/2009 3:31:32 PM |
And no, I never attacked anyone personally or directly as I was attacked initially. What part of that don't you get???
The part where you then you go ahead and insult me again...
Anyway: "Dead horse, meet m_church and windloverr, the two guys carrying clubs".
Sorry, part of your problem is that you refuse to recognize that to
me, and obviously to others... you were being insulting...
Your arrogance comes back as a refusal to even acknowledge that you
did so or even to acknowlege that you might have... No apologies nor
even a "I'm sorry if you interpreted what I said as..." No... you just
put it right back on us for being wrong because we didn't agree with the way you opened this thread...
You don't seem to understand that communication is a two way
street... It's not just about diseminating the message, it's about
making sure the receiver doesn't get the wrong message because they
perceive it differently... In the event of a misunderstanding, normal
procedure in a forum is to apologise if someone feels slighted... and
try to correct the issue... not a bare-faced denial of what was
done...
Several postings later on, you attempt to apologise, but then go on to make sarcastic
remarks or backhanded insults again... This negates the value, sincerity and quality of any apology...
Actually, to me, perceiving a threat when there isn't one is
exactly what I meant when I used the word "insecure".
No... paranoia is perceiving a threat when there isn't one... insecure is a different animal...
Comments like:
Straight men who are infuriated by the idea of another man
can't help it. It promotes anger in them that is so innate it is
almost a knee-jerk reaction.
Again, you have no clue as to what my feelings on the topic are. You
just blindly go ahead and tar me with a generalised view without
KNOWING what my reasons are... Never thought to ask, did you?
Yes, you weren't being insulting but then you typed...
(This one was at me directly by the way)
It's lucky we have
the forums to be able to show women your true personality. I just
don't understand how you're still single?!?
so was this one...
Defend your fragile masculinity at any cost! Show 'em all what
a "true man" is.
Wow, touched on a big nerve with lots of macho manly men-men. Gawd, the hostility is so telling.
Of course most men probably wouldn't, but my prefacing statement was only wrong if you think there are no homophobic or insecure men, many who may be secretly bi-curious but suppressing it, which is who I was talking about
As much as you may or may not realise it, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and try to explain this...
When you 'qualify' statements as you did in the above... you end up making negative and or implying statemnts, perhaps without realising that you are... This goes back to my early statement about 'communication'being a two way street...
Wow, touched on a big nerve with lots of macho manly men-men.
Gawd, the hostility is so telling.
P.S. Is there any way I can re-title this thread "All insecure
men with inner hostility raise their hand?
I support the women here against the small handful of jackasses that react this way to any idea
I would suggest that if you want to be taken seriously, you drop the little 'dig's that you keep making and try to keep your posts on the subject.
Those little digs do undermine both your credibility as a person and the validity of the thread. That is my personal view... and may or may not be the view of others on here...
In truth, you have probably done more to harm the image of gays and
homosexuals than an ardent anti-gay person could have done. By your
attitude and arrogance you have likely made any positives from your initial
posting into negatives.
As for being homophobic or not, I can tell you that straight or gay, if you spoke to me in person with the condescending and sarcastic and insulting attitude you have offered so far... I would seriously consider a violently physical reaction by way of response... | |
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