| How many women fantasize watching their man with another man?
Posted: 3/29/2009 5:17:22 PM |
(Kinsey 1948)
a "scale", designed to designate somebody a sexuality, created in 1948, when homosexuality was pretty much illegal in most parts of the western world, and frowned upon to the point where people were being killed for it.
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| How many women fantasize watching their man with another man?
Posted: 3/29/2009 8:49:14 PM | | ERRR NOPE never ever thought about it in fact never ever wanna see it either i like a man to be a man in every sense and that means no touchy feely femine side that wants to sick his tongue and mouth on another guys mouth or other areas. | |
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| How many women fantasize watching their man with another man?
Posted: 3/29/2009 10:53:13 PM |
(Kinsey 1948)
a "scale", designed to designate somebody a sexuality, created in 1948, when homosexuality was pretty much illegal in most parts of the western world, and frowned upon to the point where people were being killed for it.
interesting.
I don't think I am understanding your point.
It's not like they were using the information to OUT people and have them killed.
Kinsey is generally regarded as the father of sexology, the systematic, scientific study of human sexuality. | |
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| How many women fantasize watching their man with another man?
Posted: 3/29/2009 10:56:07 PM | | i just think its ridiculous to believe that a "scale" from the 1940's can be used to judge human sexual impulses and reactions. everybody is different. situations are different. feelings and states of mind are different. so to categorise people as "half gay half straight" or "more straight than gay but a little bit gay" etc etc is just ridiculous in my opinion. | |
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| How many women fantasize watching their man with another man?
Posted: 3/30/2009 5:36:36 AM | | What a double standard, the folks who say if its their woman's fantasy, then she's not their woman! Guys number one fantasy is a threesome (and yeah, they want two women), second highest ranked is watching two women together. I would love to watch a couple guys just out of the voyeuristic, novel, curious sense...would I want my man to be one of them? Hell, no. | |
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| How many women fantasize watching their man with another man?
Posted: 3/30/2009 5:37:10 AM | | What a double standard, the folks who say if its their woman's fantasy, then she's not their woman! Guys number one fantasy is a threesome (and yeah, they want two women), second highest ranked is watching two women together. I would love to watch a couple guys just out of the voyeuristic, novel, curious sense...would I want my man to be one of them? Hell, no. | |
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| How many women fantasize watching their man with another man?
Posted: 3/30/2009 10:46:31 AM |
i just think its ridiculous to believe that a "scale" from the 1940's can be used to judge human sexual impulses and reactions. everybody is different. situations are different. feelings and states of mind are different. so to categorise people as "half gay half straight" or "more straight than gay but a little bit gay" etc etc is just ridiculous in my opinion.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but ridiculous? How so?
You are what you are regardless of the situation and your state of mind.
If you get drunk and let a man blow you it doesn't mean you are completely gay...
but you are definitely NOT completely hetero!
And what about human sexuality or biology for that matter has changed in the last 60 years?
Attitudes and perceptions may have changed making it more acceptable to be who you are but they will never intrinsically change who you are.
The Kinsey Scale explains what the ratings are and my explanations are below:
0- Exclusively heterosexual with no homosexual
- these are the guys who will NEVER get head from a MAN because they find it repulsive and could not get it up even when drunk and inhibitions are lowered.
1- Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
- these are the guys who will only GET head from a man but not reciprocate because THAT would be gay! ;)
2- Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
- not closet cases like #1 - probably open to giving and receiving.
3- Equally heterosexual and homosexual
- bi-sexual.
4- Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
- probably able to have sex with women.
5- Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
- probably finds women somewhat attractive - it seems that even the gays like to admire the boobies.
6- Exclusively homosexual
- these are the guys who will NOT get head from a WOMAN because they find it repulsive and could not get it up even when drunk and inhibitions are lowered.
I am using men as an example as that is what the thread was about but it could be the same for women.
All I am saying is that this scale illustrates the gray ares in between heterosexuality and homosexuality.
You are what you are. That does not fluctuate.
But what you are willing to ADMIT to on any given day and situation might.
I've only been with men so my friends would see me as exclusively heterosexual but who knows?
Maybe if I kissed a girl I might like it! So I'm probably more of a 1 or a 2.
And as for the scale being from the 1940s...
"The National Research Council and Indiana University supported his project and between 1938 and 1956 more than 17,000 interviews were conducted. His study resulted in the largest and most detailed set of data on human sexual behavior collected to date." | |
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| How many women fantasize watching their man with another man?
Posted: 3/30/2009 11:09:38 AM | | Just so you know, without my looking up the documentation ie off the top of my head, I know for a fact that this survey has been disproven. The information was not obtained from a controlled study group. The observations and information obtained were not obtained in an unbiased fashion. This is not a scientific study, it is not recognized by scientists or AMA. This was nothing more than survey. | |
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Posted: 3/30/2009 12:46:30 PM | i have had that fantasy, and shared it with my last boyfriend. he would have done it with a gay friend of his, but he worried i wouldn't like it as much as i thought i would. there are 2 good reasons he felt that way:
1) we once went to a titty bar, and after he received a lap dance i struggled with feelings with jealousy and insecurity. and the whole titty bar and lap dance thing was my idea! (i know, right??)
2) i often shared my fantasy about being with another girl. so he and his roommate encouraged me and his roommate's girlfriend to make out while she and i were quite drunk. me and her wound up having sex on my boyfriends bed while the boys watched an even recorded (without our knowledge). immediately afterwords both of our boyfriends acted hostile and bitter, later admitting they were jealous and felt cheated on.
-moral of the story i guess is beware when 'experimenting'. something might be enjoyable at the time, but remember that you're gambling with feelings. you never know for sure how you or your partner will feel after the fact.  | |
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| How many women fantasize watching their man with another man?
Posted: 3/30/2009 12:48:06 PM | i have had that fantasy, and shared it with my last boyfriend. he would have done it with a gay friend of his, but he worried i wouldn't like it as much as i thought i would. there are 2 good reasons he felt that way:
1) we once went to a titty bar, and after he received a lap dance i struggled with feelings with jealousy and insecurity. and the whole titty bar and lap dance thing was my idea! (i know, right??)
2) i often shared my fantasy about being with another girl. so he and his roommate encouraged me and his roommate's girlfriend to make out while she and i were quite drunk. me and her wound up having sex on my boyfriends bed while the boys watched an even recorded (without our knowledge). immediately afterwords both of our boyfriends acted hostile and bitter, later admitting they were jealous and felt cheated on.
-moral of the story i guess is beware when 'experimenting'. something might be enjoyable at the time, but remember that you're gambling with feelings. you never know for sure how you or your partner will feel after the fact. | |
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Posted: 3/30/2009 5:50:09 PM | Kinsey has never been disproven. The people who challenged Kinsey were generally right-wing Christians and others who didn't like the idea of male bisexuality.
I would put Kinsey before many of the current sexologists. Current sexology is skewed in favor of female bisexuality at the expense of male bisexuality. That's because sexology has been heavily influenced over the years by the porn industry and its bisexual double standard. In porn movies that contain both genders, the overall ratio of the occurrence of female bisexuality to male bisexuality is about 99 to 1. It's an industry which is set up to promote female bisexuality at the expense of male bisexuality, and it's been doing this for many years. | |
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Posted: 3/30/2009 7:42:13 PM | OP, after reading your post, I can honestly say that you got some hidden desires!!!! To each HIS own. Iffn' a woman was to fantasize about me with another feller, she needs to brace herself to split the sheets and move her @$$ to San Fran.
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Posted: 3/31/2009 4:19:04 AM | newblue1970:
OP - I think this is one of the statements that initiated the anger towards you. I was mildly offended by it and wanted to add myself the count you took of people who didnt like what you said or the way you said it. You are stating that society has to like two men together or its being dishonest. Just why does society have to like it? Just because many have voiced that they dont like it or find it disgusting does NOT mean that those people are homophobic or insecure. Its just a sexual activity preference, just like some people may find oral or anal sex 'revolting'. And BTW - NO totally straight man, no matter HOW drunk would be horny enough to get off with a guy. I'd say they were bi-curious at the minimum.
Cool, just as long as you also say any woman who agrees to try another woman is now part lesbian and a life-long gay guy who tries a woman is now part straight, right? .....RIGHT???
Elle72:
It's appaling to me how someone cannot accept the idea that some of us can't find the thought of two same sex person together just uncomfortable without being labeled as, at least, dishonest. I'm not insecure, I'm not an homophobe and though...this image is not a turn on, on the contrary.
And OP...I'm not saying that there's not homophobic people in the world...where would I have said that? Stop the victimism please.
LOL... "victim"??? To both newblue1970 and Elle72 I actually, already addressed your post completely in #30 and repeated it in #40, and then further clarified in no uncertain terms in post #78, but you are just ignoring my explanation which was very clear and just claiming I said and meant what you want to say I said and meant. Not gonna stop you, because everyone can read what I wrote clearly.
Me:
Obviously you missed my post a bit earlier so I'll say it again: Right, I did indeed say that MANY would find it "sick" (as I was proven right), ESPECIALLY those who are homophobic or insecure. What is your beef with that? Again, you could see how many found it sick and quickly professed their distaste at the mere thought.
Again, I said ESPECIALLY homophobes. The only way that statement was offensive (or inaccurate is a better word) is if you believe homophobes don't exist. So again, I'm confused at your issue. And now you can re-read this as you apparently never did the first several times I said it:
Me:
I just have to clarify a few points many have assumed (and I'm sorry if I gave that impression to some) but which are incorrect:
2) This the last time I am going to repeat this (so please don't keep misquoting me): Although I did say this may sound sick especially to homophobic or insecure men, I DID NOT BY ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SAY if you find it a turn-off or wouldn't do it you were then by default homophobic or insecure, nor do I believe that. However, when people in society or in this thread get angry, overcompensate, act threatened and call names, that is a different story; it is about respect and civility. Of course most men probably wouldn't, but my prefacing statement was only wrong if you think there are no homophobic or insecure men, many who may be secretly bi-curious but suppressing it, which is who I was talking about.
3) I also DID NOT BY ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SAY that anyone who says no is lying because they have a name and profile and are not anonymous, nor do I believe that. If you re-read it, what I said (or meant) was that there are always going to be people who are less likely to be honest when not anonymous, so polling in a forum like this with profiles and pics can never be as accurate as anonymous surveys are, no matter what the topic (or else why do you think surveys are conducted anonymously in the first place???), so some may not be totally forthcoming.
Now, to all who keep repeating the same things I never said and can't understand plain English and still don't think my explanation for the exact things you keep restating is included in items #2 and 3 above, then go bang your head against the wall ten times and come back and read it. I think that is all that may help at this point.  | |
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Posted: 3/31/2009 4:25:15 AM | CW35:
phxniceguy: I think that a lot more women than would ever admit in here would probably think it was a turn on if they really thought about it. Society has evolved in such a way that female + female affection is not viewed as threatening but everyone (both men and women) seems conditioned to think that any male signs of affection are strange and out of place. I suppose this is why the whole female+female sex fantasy seems so widely accepted. It is what it is I suppose. Also, please stop responding to hotairlovrr's crap (or trap as the case may be). You could say "Have a nice day" and he'd find a way to get a thousand quotes out of it and whine about the fine points of it until it would make you want to vomit from all the griping about how the sentence wasn't presented properly. You can't argue with a know it all who has a quotation fetish. He probably sits there with his pants down scrolling through different fonts just to check out the different types of quotation marks.
I was trying to be courteous CW35, but you managed to sum up what I was thinking after the tenth time responding to him-- won't lie and say I'm not glad you said it! 
windloverr:
Don’t even bother addressing this post; I’m done wasting my time even attempting to discuss it with you.
Could it be? Could the "wind-lover" blowhard be out of hot air?!  (...something tells me he'll go against what he just said and is not really "done", and return anyway to try and get the "last word" if I know his type...any bets?) Let's see... | |
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Posted: 3/31/2009 6:30:36 AM | Without all the pointless BAGGAGE and homophobia and morality issues this thread awakened.
YES...I have fantasized about and experienced first hand having sex with a bi man and a Gay man........It was tough to get the timing down! lol But interesting to say the least~! So much for the 80's! lol
Not sure what that would make me. I don't define myself as anything specifically........but I guess........if I had to it would be Bi, being that I have been with women too.How about........sexually liberated without rigid moral constraints.
Would I appreciate having the same attitude come from heterosexual men in regards to my fantasy? Yes........Will I change anyones thinking,attitude or closemindedness.No...why waste my time.
I have to wonder....if the 'issues' with the orignal question was the "BI" part.
How about this.
Would men here be more game to have sex with a woman and another guy.....and NOT be expected to have sex with the other man?
I think the line got drawn thanks to the fact that men who don't want to have sex with men...have that right.
Same goes for women.Not everyone is open minded enough to even consider this fantasy....let alone act on it.
Bi is different than gay....but to most straight men....NOT MUCH DIFFERENT.
I say........if you can't oblige a woman's fantasy......then don't expect yours to be lived out.
Fair is fair.
As Larry Flynn says......RELAX...it's JUST SEX! | |
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Posted: 3/31/2009 8:55:36 AM | Sepia..
Yes...I'm stalking you.
"But I can assure you that a male/woman who is totally str8.. would never be in any way sexually attracted to the same sex weather they are drunk drugged etc.. the booze and drugs just lowers the inhibitions to express who you really are.."
Exactly! I can't remember the last time I got **** faced and decided some experimental c*** sucking sounded tasty, it's just not gonna happen. I do have lots of gay friends that really think that most hetero guys are bi, and they prove it by telling me about all the "straight" married guys they've boinked. But I argue that they aren't straight, just really well closeted. I mean, if the idea of another man doing something sexual to you turns you on...at any time, you're not straight. Simple, end of story. | |
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Posted: 3/31/2009 9:07:56 AM | I disagree with the drunk and drugged because you actually can be involved in something that you wouldn't be because you have no fight against it. You can speak coherently and you can not control your body to fight against it.
I have heard one too many stories about the guy that got a bj from a beautiful woman to find out that it was a guy the next day when he sobered up and his friends told him... | |
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Posted: 3/31/2009 9:48:18 AM | Sepia.. Yes, I'm stalking you.
"But I can assure you that a male/woman who is totally str8.. would never be in any way sexually attracted to the same sex weather they are drunk drugged etc.. the booze and drugs just lowers the inhibitions to express who you really are.."
Exactly!
I can't remember the last time I got **** faced and decided some experimental c*** sucking sounded tasty; it's just not gonna happen. I do have lots of gay friends that really think that most hetero guys are bi, and they prove it by telling me about all the "straight" married guys they've boinked. But I argue that they aren't straight, just really well closeted. I mean, if the idea of another man doing something sexual to you turns you on...at any time, you're not straight. Whether you act on it or not.
Simple... end of story. | |
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Posted: 3/31/2009 10:00:13 AM | I don't have a problem being open about it at all. I'm turned on by two men involved sexually. I've only seen it in porn, and it does turn me on. I think I am unique though, because I find two people making love to be a beautiful thing, regardless of their gender.
It was my fantasy to be with two men at once, not necessarily for them to be into each other, but that would have been a bonus.
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