| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/22/2009 9:26:00 AM | Strength is nothing without internal discipline.
The qualities I have long admired are being aware and centered; I believe when you are aware you value the individuality of the other as you value your own sense of being. Those that stay centered with who they are have internal self discipline and fortitude.
As for women who may feel the need to mold or change another... perhaps they are the same type of people who are afraid to lose themselves in a relationship? Whatever the reason... it all amounts to our relationship with that which scares us. A futile attempt to control how life will work out. | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/22/2009 9:53:27 AM | | Starfun77-- good question ,some women wants docile,macho,flirty,uncaring some makes them feel martyr and dramatic.LOL. My kind of man is authoritarian, discipline observant,nonverbal combatant, a very controlled attitude man , a man's man ,( Military or police man ?)that it will put me to the edge if I displease or please him in other words a mentally challenging man ,but he is kind , to animals ,children,old people and women. | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/22/2009 11:07:32 AM | I love men who are independent (not independant, btw), strong, and outspoken! They are just like me. We can challenge each other.
In my estimation, it isn't feminism that has spawned this, as much as a general trend since the mid 70s where everyone---men included---have been taught that they can have it all.
Hmmmm,.....refreshing. Feminism is not enemy of humankind. Maybe men who blame the ills of society on feminism need to think about how WHINY and UNMANLY they sound when they do so.
And let’s not forget those women who calumniate the majority of their own gender in order to court the favor of the male posters.
No shit. You noticed that too? | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/22/2009 11:30:30 AM | Starfun: Excellent question. But I can see you are taking a lot of heat from some of your kind.
To Frau and Kirstn7: I believe you are the very example of women she mentioned in her post. Because you don't agree with her obeservation you think she is , " those women who calumniate the majority of their own gender in order to court the favor of the male posters."!
I'm looking at her pic and reading at her posts and profile. She's smart, beautiful, well spoken, and intelligent! She doesnt need to court the favour of men. I don't think she has the need to do that - unlike some that I know.
So to those who don't agree with her, just state your point of view and dont try to denigrate her. No need for "feminazism" here. | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/22/2009 12:34:16 PM | Kofi. You take exception to the remark about the OP being one of the:
women who calumniate the majority of their own gender
She did, though, mate. See below.
Most women these days want a man who she can mold to her own whims. Any man who is independent, sticks to his opinion(s), or outspoken about an issue is "flamed"as a jerk, insensitive, uncaring,****,
See how she says most women feel that way? As in the majority? And do you see also, how she just might be wrong? Most people I know admire people who are strong and independent. The outspoken part can be more of a gray area. There is a time and place for listening, too, not just making oneself heard. I don't know why you would refer to MY opinion as "feminazism" considering that I stated that I liked strong, independent, outspoken men.....not following that logic.
Were you "flaming" me? Is that what that is ?....lol ..Funny, OP said that men get flamed when they come over as strong, independent, outspoken....I guess women do , too, eh? | |
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| Why do Strong, Independent, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/22/2009 12:34:25 PM |
So, a man cannot be strong willed and alpha while having a compassionate softer side as well.
Yes he can. If a woman thinks he can't, then she's been living under a rock. Most men "hide" their compassionate softer side, but watch a man at play with his children or the way he touches his wife's cheek. I've seen the men in my life in these roles. | |
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| Why do Strong, Independent, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/22/2009 2:17:06 PM | So most strong opinionated men dont make sense? yeah ok care to elaborate on that one Dreamcatcher, or do guys like us talk to friggen much? show me the numbers
Major difference between those who have a opinion and shares when asked vs the self proclaimed So called strong guy who has to yap , bullies and emphasize how strong he is its like those " nice guys " we hear so much about.
addendum to Dreamcatcher: I just asked you elaborate. I wasnt getting my " panties" in a knot ... Santa Luciaaaaaaaaaaa | |
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| Why do Strong, Independent, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/22/2009 2:40:30 PM | ahh, iceman. dont get your panties all in a bunch. A girl cant have any fun here today.
jeeze, i just got called a low class player in another thread, by a opinionated outspoken woman. She wasnt making much sense either.
Major difference between those who have a opinion and shares when asked vs the self proclaimed So called strong guy who has to yap , bullies and emphasize how strong he is its like those " nice guys " we hear so much about.
couldnt agree with you more. | |
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| Why do Strong, Independent, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/22/2009 2:59:51 PM | It would be sooo nice to find the right one, all in One body;
Strength, brains, looks, personality, Heart, much feeling.
Hey I know where there's one like that.
add just a few pounds on him, and possibly a few yrs, And "Cowboy" would be
dah one !!!! Just my OP !!!! whoops !
ps. One thing that I do have, is very good taste in men. | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/22/2009 3:18:28 PM | To Frau and Kirstn7: I believe you are the very example of women she mentioned in her post. Because you don't agree with her obeservation you think she is , " those women who calumniate the majority of their own gender in order to court the favor of the male posters."!
I always enjoy those who resort to ignorant ad hominem attacks. So, any woman who dares to disagree with the OP is someone who manipulates men for her own whims? How so? Please, clarify your position. What EXACTLY have I done that substantiates your claim that I am a woman who “molds men to my own whims?” I submit that you just like to attack the person with the differing opinion, and NOT the opinion itself.
The OP claims that MOST (that’s the MAJORITY, or more than HALF) of all women want a man they can “mold to their own whims”. I find this to be rather insulting to women. Where are the statistics to back up this claim? I also see her accusing some men of being “softies” in order to patronize female posters. Her unsubstantiated insult to the majority of her gender, combined with the cries that “she is the Messiah or Savior”, leads me to believe that she is somewhat of a hypocrite and taking a similar stance as the “softies” she chastises. Seems you have joined in the fawning with your ad hominem attacks against those who are in disagreement with her stance. I am well within my right to express my opinion, and I do NOT need your INSULTS and approval in order to do so.
I'm looking at her pic and reading at her posts and profile. She's smart, beautiful, well spoken, and intelligent! She doesnt need to court the favour of men. I don't think she has the need to do that - unlike some that I know.
Again, another unwarranted attack and inferred insult. What is wrong with you?
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/22/2009 4:53:32 PM | Most women these days want a man who she can mold to her own whims. Any man who is independent, sticks to his opinion(s), or outspoken about an issue is "flamed"as a jerk, insensitive, uncaring,****, alpha-male, etc etc.
And...you .... take a woman to task if she can speak out about subjects that are close to her heart...as I found out by you on another thread.
As far as what most women want in your world....is NOT the same as my world.
I find that most women want someone that matches them. Makes a great partnership.
Everyone is different....has different wants and needs...and out there is someone that fits!
I happen to like alpha males....with heart, compassion, humour and the ability to be loving, romantic and giving....I guess that's the whole enchilada!
How about that one?
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/22/2009 5:06:23 PM | Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and on the forums we can all at times agree to disagree and on this one.......I disagree.....
I dont believe you should meet anyone.... ( man or woman) with the mind set that you are going to " mold" them into who you want them to be......thats just bs.....you should want to be with someone for who they already are......
I believe that every man should act like a man.......be strong.....be able to speak their minds.... and be independent........men with those qualities are not jerks....or insensitive....or c ocky........ men with those qualities are actually very appealing because they know who they are......they can be strong.....and when they speak their minds and listen that allows them to be caring and sensitive.......and independence is something we should all have a sense of......
frankly i'll take that kind of man anyday over the ones that will sit there and passify you until your ears bleed just so they can tell you what they think you want to hear ......or the ones that are so needy they are still hangin on their moms apron strings.....JMO | |
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