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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/23/2009 4:31:57 PM | The bottom line is simply this. If you want someone to be a leader and act on your behalf you have to enable them to do so, even when you (ladies) do not want them (the man) to interfere. I have dated across the spectrum of economics, professions, situations, upbringing, etc. One thing rings true for all of the variations. When the shit hits the fan a woman will turn to you and expect you to be a man. Flat tires during the middle of the work day, pipe is busted and leaking in the bathroom, someone dishonors her, her child needs fatherly or lacks fatherly guidance, the list goes on...
The problem with that is this...
Lead when I (the woman) want and need you (the man) to do so until then stay the hell out of my (the woman) way, I am an independent woman. Even though you (the man) may witness me screwing something up that you (the man) will eventually have to reconcile my (the woman) error, you (the man) have no right to to speak up. You (the man) have no power over me (the woman) because I (the woman) am independent.
Now you (the man) are left feeling like a f**k tool and a puppet. She knows she has done this to her man and loses respect for him. Does anyone know of a woman that desires a man between her legs she does not respect? I hate to sound so shallow but that is what it boils down to.
I am a Christian and I am not perfect. I like sweaty hot monkey sex swinging from the chandelier as much as the next person. The Bible states "Wives, submit unto your husbands" for a reason. It does not mean "Fetch his beer and slippers when he beckons."
It means "Let your man stand up for you. If he loves you and you know it because he shows he does correctly, he will always have your best interests at heart."
From the time I was a teenager and up to know I have heard woman say their mother's once told them "Never depend on a man." Now so many of the woman out there wonder why they cannot find a dependable man. The sad truth is over 99% of women know absolutely nothing about men aside from the skills they have developed to glean information regarding his financial holdings or capability and how to bed him quickly to determine his value. The problem is not the men. We haven't evolved over centuries! (Laugh) The problem is society and we have all been ROBBED!
I am on a roll now...
Read some of the women's profiles on this thing...
I want this, I want that, you gotta be this, and you gotta be that. None of it is lasting. None of it really matters. Most of all, not one iota of the plethora of wishes on womens' profiles will foster the desire in a man to slay the beast outside her door or inspire him to slay a dragon in her honor. Women are all fooled if they think their junk is going to carry them. The stuff women desire from a man is the stuff that will only cause her to throw her legs up for the moment. Then they cry... "Boo hoo hoo! Why can't I find a real man?" "Where are all the good guys at?"
Answer: They are walking right by you because they see who you are as a person!
Lastly...
I have squirrels living in my back yard. They sadden me. They are doing a better job at life and their purpose in this world then we are as human beings. They wake up in the morning together and venture out for the work day. They gather nuts and while on the job they hop from tree to tree. Mr. Squirrel chasing Mrs. Squirrel yelling "Oh baby! I got bigger nuts than that! When we're done tonight, I gonna clamp down on you and hit that arse doggy style!"
Their children repeat the process and their heritage lives on. What is your heritage ladies? "Here lies my loving mother...."
Meanwhile back at the ranch there are two squirrels copulating. Both of them clenching their lips with a twin toothed overbite... "Who's your daddy! Who's your daddy!'
Me? I am not bitter. It is as most of you say it is... It is what it is. You Eve's? You're still whining over the bad taste of the apple you chose to bite. | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/23/2009 5:10:00 PM |
If you want someone to be a leader and act on your behalf you have to enable them to do so, even when you (ladies) do not want them (the man) to interfere.
Leaders, whether male or female do not need to be enabled. They just naturally take charge. I know this as I am a natural second in command.
But people who butt in where they are not wanted are a pain in the tuchis.
What you are advocating, pplrfreaks, is lying in order to feed a man's ego. Tell him what he wants to hear. Give him little jobs to make him feel like a big man as you would for a small child. Plenty of women use this manipulation to their advantage witness the OP. Ooooo all you modern women are just scared of the big strong men! | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/23/2009 5:42:38 PM |
What you are advocating, pplrfreaks, is lying in order to feed a man's ego. Tell him what he wants to hear. Give him little jobs to make him feel like a big man as you would for a small child.
Correction, pplrfreaks is not advocating this but rather simply pointing out that this is the way some women expect men to be ie; stay out of my way until I need you.
AAA+++ to pplrfreaks for very insightful thoughts. | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/23/2009 5:42:54 PM | BBW...Who designated you the gatekeeper? Who are you to determine when someone has "butted in where they are not wanted"? Would a strong man concern himself all that much with what you want?
I've never been flamed on these boards, although I've done plenty to deserve it. I don't mind differences of opinion, and it doesn't bother me that I'm a lone voice in the wilderness at times. I enjoy debate. It's what I do for a living.
What I do mind is people who try to shut down debate. Strangely enough this happens most often in the Science and Philosophy forum. It is difficult to lose a debate. One way is attempting to silence opinions or shout others down. | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/23/2009 5:57:10 PM | Youstillthere--there are plenty of bossy women out there, Do you enjoy backseat driving and the like? How is what pplrfreaks advocating any different? Only the genders have changed.
JonniBravo--I don't get where I am acting as "the gatekeeper?" I just disagree with pplrfreaks and expressed that. Maybe you are the gatekeeper, Zuulie. | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/23/2009 6:13:14 PM | There are some bratty ass Divas out there too and some of them piss me right the hell off trying to control men with feelings.
Just a little tip to dem beyonce acting females, You are RESPONSIBLE for your own feelings and men are RESPONSIBLE for there own, just cuz you're in a ****y mood doesn't mean your man has to feel it either and vice versa. Dem kinda of Divas make me sick trying to control a man with effing feelings trying to control men, too friggin emotional with this " I'm ****y cuz some ***hole cut me off and now I'm going to take out all my ****yness out on you, NO ****EN anyone should have to go thru that!" . This is why guys run away from females like you cuz it makes him sick to his stomach that you can't put your own damn feelings in check and be responsible for your own shit instead you make your next man the ****en garbage can to dump the shit on.  | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/23/2009 7:16:06 PM | Leaders, whether male or female do not need to be enabled. They just naturally take charge. I know this as I am a natural second in command.
BBW2love, I appreciate your input. If I were to have "it" completely knocked, maybe I wouldn't be single. Then again... neither would you.
I am not advocating a thing. I never said a woman had to lie. You are assuming something I never stated in my post. Make sure you read and not read into the post of another before you attempt to assume their intentions.
So let's take this hypothetically. If you are a natural second in command, why is it so damn hard for you (or any woman for that matter) to find a natural first? Spare us all the wishy-washy Hallmark card and flowers poop please. I will wait eagerly for your response. | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/23/2009 8:09:04 PM | Yes - PPLRFREAKS (read his post before reading mine to get where I'm coming from)
Yes people ARE freaks. Take a look at the beam in your own eye though before pointing out the splinter in mine would ya.
It's a man's world and you are leading us to RUIN. This is where men have led us.
13% are dying from starvation
Strip-mined oceans
Depleted, eroded soil
Polluted air
The UN lists over 120 wars at present
Not much to brag about is it?
It's no coincidence that women all over the world are struggling to be heard at the same time men have taken us to the brink of destruction. No coincidence at all. Enough is enough.
Approx 1 in 6 children (nobody really knows or ever will) have been molested to some degree or another
Pornography everywhere
Child porn ( oh I sure hope there is a hell for you creeps)
Corruption everywhere
Species going extinct every day and over 230 endangered right now
Domestic violence all over the world is an everyday occurrence
Murder by a spouse is the number one killer of pregnant women
Shall I go on and on with more data or do you get the picture yet
Or are you so deep in denial you believe this was all done by those rare bad men that you are nothing like and are not responsible for.
If you want to take credit you also have to take responsibility to be respected. But I don't see any of that much. It's always some other "rare bad dude" that is nothing like you right??
Just admit your nature is not conducive to a constructive peaceful existence. Don't believe me. Watch the world news. Google a few stats. It's a mess and you blame woman and probably expect her to clean up after you to boot eh?
This planet you have been leading is a DISGRACE. YOUR LEADERSHIP IS A DISGRACE.
You have taken your power and used it like a violent dictator rather than the PARTNER you were supposed to be. Can you really be trusted with any power in or out of the home. For real. Look around and answer HONESTLY. (silence).
You should stop trying to brainwash us into believing in your fantasy world. We don't have to anymore. We can work and feed and clothe and house ourselves and we don't have to believe any more fairytales about you anymore.
Sit down and be quiet if you can't do anything constructive or say anything honest please.
You act like that and then get all high and mighty and talk down to us and assure us you have our best interests at heart. You may be on crack but I am wide awake and coherent.
What do you think we are - idiots???
Men have a warring nature. A competitive nature. If men were collaborative instead of competitive this world would be a paradise but hey, there's no fun, no heroes, no action, no glory in that is there and then where would your precious ego be.
Just turn on the TV and channel surf. Now count how many TV shows have violence in them. That's what you are like. Art imitates life.
You make way too much trouble around the world.
You should stop bragging and get an education - do something useful.
What grand leaders you are. Oh really.
And you have the nerve to blame Eve for your sins just to top it off.
What a joke you are
Since you are a Christian you will be aware that hypocrites are going to the lake of fire according to Revelations so watch what you say... God is listening.
thank you god for forums lol
And by the way - HURRAY for the men who are honest enough to speak up against the boys club that has been ruling this planet. It takes guts to swallow your pride and say you need help, admit your weaknesses, stop blaming the victim, stop blaming everyone else, stop blaming women, stopo blaming politicians and realize you need to PLAY NICE to get anywhere in life.
Be a man - DO THE RIGHT THING. | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/23/2009 9:43:09 PM | I am not single and I am not looking. I have lots of men friends and they love my honesty and I love theirs. I am very fortunate to know a lot of strong men who don't spout whiney diatribes about how great the "mans" world is because they have an education and they CAN handle the truth.
You have really irritated me with your cheap "man hater" slur when all I did was quote some rock hard statistics. Yeah, I threw in some opinions but that is what one does when analyzing the facts. Don't shoot the messenger. Do you even know what that means. Never mind. I am typing on my laptop, in bed, with my loved one snuggled up to me looking as always, VERY HAPPY to be with me. No hating going on here.
It's creeps who blame Eve and tell us women we are beneath them that will certainly get a whooping from me. Yes. So what. They deserve it. How dare they.
You can kiss up to them all you like dearie but I assure you ....that kind of man will have contempt for you in the morning.
You are obviously not at all aware of the world you live in nor yourself or most of all your motives which are transparent. Take your blinkers off.
Do you think those guys don't know what you are doing? Do you think they respect you for propping up a dying "might is right" philosophy that has almost destroyed this world? They pretend to appreciate you but they know you are betraying yourself and have the deepest contempt for you. They would never do that to themselves. | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/23/2009 9:48:30 PM | Who is scared about what OP? 
IMO~ anyone [male/female] that has grammatical misfortune like *independANT* need's a quick reality check. Plus a lexicon. Seriously. At times : "it is what it is."
From my vantage point {YMMV} this is one of these times. 
Not a fan of sweeping generalization/rant thread/BS. Next question, please.
*stepping back~ quick contemplation:: I just wasted a whole three seconds on major stupidity* | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/23/2009 10:03:16 PM | Mafiachix: Its very obvious that you didn't read her post Or didn't understand it. Its her personal observation. And for you to jump in to "flame" her sounds very immature of you.
And so what if she made a spelling mistake! One single spelling mistake.
And for your information, her error was a SPELLING error NOT Grammar! "Grammatical misfortune" is what you have been spewing out in your various posts. Instead of trying to explain your point succinctly, you use "gangster"words", grammar, etc etc to pass yourself off as Shakespeare! | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/23/2009 10:25:56 PM | Precisely what are you saying...Forumologist? Women have more power to shape societies than they ever have. Are you arguing that we should turn the clock back?
You're correct that we should stop blaming everyone else. You can show us the way and stop blaming men. Maybe your form of finger-pointing and the "cult of victimization" that you espouse bear much of the blame for the problems we are confronting.
"Oh...no...don't blame us, we are just women in a man's world." Something tells me that you wouldn't want "a woman's world," whatever that means. You'd lose your ability to whine.
BBW...your post speaks for itself. Strong men don't care if they're "pains in someone's tuchis." | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/23/2009 10:32:00 PM | Yes! Why do self absorbed macho wimp, hard ons, that walk around like a parody of some celluloid vision of manhood, scare women? If they even do. More likely women are bored with the whole brittle concept.
Maybe they just find guys like that tiresome. I do. One post after another in this thread "Alpha male here..." Is that the deal? Strong men don't care if they are a pain in the a$$?
What has that got to do with being strong?
I always gotta laugh when men equate being abrasive and provocative with being strong, brave, and self determined.
Here is my final two cents: yeah, okay, whatever. | |
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| Why do Strong, Independent, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/23/2009 11:37:37 PM | holy cow, speaking of outspokenness... quite the variety of opinions above...
Back to the original topic, We want someone we can walk all over and mold? Not sure which "we" is being spoken of here, but I (and I'm sure very many other women as well) am very very comfortable with a man of independence, with their own opinions and their own goals. The big thing to me is whether that is also returned by the man, where they are equally comfortable with a woman also comfortable in her own skin as well.
There should be mutual sharing, both being equally comfortable in their own skin and sharing a give and take of ideas, passions and dreams, who relish the differences between the genders. Besides, who wants a lapdog, or who can connect with someone who always watches silently without daring say a word, or totally hide who they are, thinking that is the only "them" wanted? I am more comfortable around someone who knows what they want and is respectful but still definite about how they go for it. Not a bulldozer; but not a wallflower either. And I want to know who the person is who I'm talking with. i could create a perfect fantasy person without interacting with anyone; but when dealing with a flesh and blood human being, knowing what makes them unique is the fascinating and interesting part. If they are independent, strong, and take charge, let them celebrate it (without bulldozing) ;) if they're thoughtful, artistic and compassionate; let them celebrate it; it's all good. as long as there is respect... both genders both ways.
imvho anyways... | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/24/2009 3:44:26 AM | Bodypro8...Being provocative and thinking about issues from all angles is not about being a man. And if others find it abrasive or tiresome, does that really matter? The views of women or anyone else on these boards are not the measure. Using the mind and viewing issues from all angles is about being a person -- a complete person. Are you saying that we should avoid being provocative?
Men are not the only ones with strength. Women have strength too. And it is a weak woman who feels the need to shut down debate or categorize men through terms such as "Alpha male" or "wimp."
You don't know what a "wimp" is. Unless you're the CEO of a Fortune 500 company or the like, some of the men you think are "wimps" could rip you in two. And I found the debate over "Alpha males" deeply offensive, but not for the reasons you have in mind. The label dehumanizes men and gives them license to act on their worst impulses. | |
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| Why do Strong, Independent, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/24/2009 4:33:02 AM | "these days want a man who she can mold to her own whims"
These days? What do you think the message is in ancient fairy tale about a princess kissing a frog who turns into a prince? Like all the best fairy tales, it has deep meaning, a lesson, depicting a universal situation.
Biggest mistake a woman can make is marrying a frog, or a man with some aspects that are froggy, and betting her "kiss" will tranform him into her perfect prince.
The real trap is that he is often on his best behavior in the courting stage, and will get worse after the honeymoon, not better! :) | |
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| Why do Strong, Independant, and Outspoken MEN scare the hell out of the modern-day woman?
Posted: 3/24/2009 6:06:48 AM |
Yes - PPLRFREAKS (read his post before reading mine to get where I'm coming from)
Yes people ARE freaks. Take a look at the beam in your own eye though before pointing out the splinter in mine would ya.
It's a man's world and you are leading us to RUIN. This is where men have led us.
13% are dying from starvation
Strip-mined oceans
Depleted, eroded soil
Polluted air
The UN lists over 120 wars at present
Not much to brag about is it?
It's no coincidence that women all over the world are struggling to be heard at the same time men have taken us to the brink of destruction. No coincidence at all. Enough is enough.
Approx 1 in 6 children (nobody really knows or ever will) have been molested to some degree or another
Pornography everywhere
Child porn ( oh I sure hope there is a hell for you creeps)
Corruption everywhere
Species going extinct every day and over 230 endangered right now
Domestic violence all over the world is an everyday occurrence
Murder by a spouse is the number one killer of pregnant women
Shall I go on and on with more data or do you get the picture yet
Or are you so deep in denial you believe this was all done by those rare bad men that you are nothing like and are not responsible for.
If you want to take credit you also have to take responsibility to be respected. But I don't see any of that much. It's always some other "rare bad dude" that is nothing like you right??
Just admit your nature is not conducive to a constructive peaceful existence. Don't believe me. Watch the world news. Google a few stats. It's a mess and you blame woman and probably expect her to clean up after you to boot eh?
This planet you have been leading is a DISGRACE. YOUR LEADERSHIP IS A DISGRACE.
You have taken your power and used it like a violent dictator rather than the PARTNER you were supposed to be. Can you really be trusted with any power in or out of the home. For real. Look around and answer HONESTLY. (silence).
You should stop trying to brainwash us into believing in your fantasy world. We don't have to anymore. We can work and feed and clothe and house ourselves and we don't have to believe any more fairytales about you anymore.
Sit down and be quiet if you can't do anything constructive or say anything honest please.
You act like that and then get all high and mighty and talk down to us and assure us you have our best interests at heart. You may be on crack but I am wide awake and coherent.
What do you think we are - idiots???
Men have a warring nature. A competitive nature. If men were collaborative instead of competitive this world would be a paradise but hey, there's no fun, no heroes, no action, no glory in that is there and then where would your precious ego be.
Just turn on the TV and channel surf. Now count how many TV shows have violence in them. That's what you are like. Art imitates life.
You make way too much trouble around the world.
You should stop bragging and get an education - do something useful.
What grand leaders you are. Oh really.
And you have the nerve to blame Eve for your sins just to top it off.
What a joke you are
Since you are a Christian you will be aware that hypocrites are going to the lake of fire according to Revelations so watch what you say... God is listening.
thank you god for forums lol
And by the way - HURRAY for the men who are honest enough to speak up against the boys club that has been ruling this planet. It takes guts to swallow your pride and say you need help, admit your weaknesses, stop blaming the victim, stop blaming everyone else, stop blaming women, stopo blaming politicians and realize you need to PLAY NICE to get anywhere in life.
Be a man - DO THE RIGHT THING.
I made it about half way through your post and I stopped. You have assumed I have taken the stance that men are blameless. Never said that Ms. Sniffles Boohoo. I simply made a point.
Men... rape, murder, beat women, fail to support their children not only financially but lack of presence also, never run for public office, become lawyers, pedophiles, etc.
(quick... someone hand me a tissue) I'm verklempt.
Women... murder, use their crotch to control their spineless husbands and for financial advancement (men attempt this also), spend their child support to jump out of airplanes and hang at the club (check all the single mom profiles out on any dating site), etc.
Both genders are capable of all forms and combination of the seven deadly sins just as they are the beatitudes. You applying your tone to my post and using your perspective to prop up your little soap box an cry. The difference between you and me is simple....
I was making a point on a topic and you are crying. That BE A MAN $hit doesn't fly anymore. Pull your pants up, lace up your boots, and quit your crying girl. It is time for you to be independent!
Who appointed you as forum monitor anyway? You're Canadian! | |
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