| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/5/2009 7:51:44 PM | I'm not sure how anything I wrote here prompted that response from you.
But I'll respond anyway.
Just over 8 years ago, the big issue being discussed was that the debt would be paid off too quickly. Then W lowered taxes lower than what is needed to cover outlays, and entered into 2 wars.
You also aren't covering the necessary spending to do the job of government. The SEC, EPA, ATF, FDA are all underfunded so you've had Bernie Madoff et al, environmental crimes, weapons smuggling into Mexico which has brought refugees into you country, and various poisonings of food. You need enough cops to catch the criminals, otherwise the criminals will run rampant. America is on the verge of being a criminal state - as long as it's not street crime there's no political will to enforce the law.
So yeah, you are being selfish. You do less for the needy than any other first world nation; you stand alone in infant mortality rates and lack of universal healthcare; you won't enforce laws against businesses in the name of "getting government of the back of business". But you want even lower taxes. And let your grandkids pay when the bill comes. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/7/2009 3:17:41 PM | Same old crap.......... Cut Taxes and NO spending.........
Top 5% pay 53.25% of all income taxes.
The top 10% pay 64.89%.
The top 25% pay 82.9%.
The bottom 50%? They pay a paltry 3.97% of all income taxes. The top 1% is paying more than ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%!
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/top_50__of_wage_earners_pay_96_09__of_income_taxes.guest.html
Cry babies ... Harping about paying too much in taxes.............
Pay YOUR fair share
.......... Unless of course they are in the 1%
Oligarchs, Leisure class and Corporate taxes are too high in this country.
(US Rates the lowest for modern countries)
A new analysis by the Center for American Progress Action Fund finds that the current Bush tax system saves Rush Limbaugh over $1.5 million every year.
Limbaugh almost certainly saved much more than this through tax savings on income from his investments (the details of which are not publicly available) when Bush also lowered the top tax rate on capital gains and dividends to historically low levels.
Taxable income after deductions and exemptions is approximately 88 percent of adjusted gross income for taxpayers making over $10 million per year, according to IRS data. Assuming Mr. Limbaugh is typical of his class in his deductions and exemptions, his taxable income from his known income would be $33.4 million. Applying the 2009 tax rates and the 2000 tax rates to an income of $33.4 million yields a difference of $1.5 million.
This estimate is conservative, as we only considered Rush’s wage and salary income, and didn't take into account Rush’s savings from Bush’s lower capital gains rate. Over 98 percent of taxpayers making over $10 million a year have capital gains income, and the average income from capital gains for people at that income level is $15 million/year.
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/12/rush-15/
THE GOP spent the country to the point of ruin and enjoyed ever Cost over run.........
Contract to a Buddy...........
loss of over 300 tons of $100 bills........
Doubling the LARGEST military budget in the world in 6 years.......
Too bad George didn't roll Social Security into the Stock Market, much Better than T Bills.......
"Don't Cry for Me Argentina" .....The USA is next if Obama Fails.......... End of Capitalism. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/14/2009 10:40:38 PM | | The publican's alternative budget: "Tax the poor, starve the humgry, trillon dollar bonuses for all CEOs plus an extra trillion if they run a company into the ground and layoff all the workers, make sure those babies we don't want aborted remain part of the permanent underclass, and let's go have some gay sex!" | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/15/2009 12:15:04 PM |
Tax the poor, starve the hungry,
I fixed your spelling error...your welcome!
So you think the Republicans tax the poor huh? Starve the hungry? Wrong on both accounts and you know it. The Demoncrats are starting to sound like the Republicans...fear mongering!
{quote]trillion dollar bonuses for all CEOs
Once again, I fixed your spelling errors! Would not want you coming off as unintelligent...
Trillion dollar bonus for a CEO?
Wow! Care to show me a single CEO or group of executives who received a TRILLION dollars?
make sure those babies we don't want aborted remain part of the permanent underclass, and let's go have some gay sex!"
Wow! A sentence without spelling errors, I am proud of you!
Now...Abortion is MURDER to those who believe differently than you. As for your comment on gay sex I think you need to ask Barney Frank how many people on the hill he has climbed into bed with! Being gay is not a crime, but according to your way of thinking only the Demoncrats are allowed to be gay! Your funny! | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/18/2009 2:22:19 PM | Oh goody, the spelling police have arrived. Thank you, thank you, a million times thank you. Your check is in the mail.
An "alternative" budget from the party that dragged us into this vortex of fiscal agony?!?!?!
Priceless!
Just when you think you've heard it all...
baa haa haa haa - A republican defending gays, any port in a storm, ey dmotz?
only the Demoncrats are allowed to be gay
Not so fast Einstein, only Democrats are allowed to be openly gay, BIG difference!!
Your party with its misguided homophobic rhetoric makes a career out of gay bashing, shaming its gay men into "acting" heterosexual and crusading against themselves and others like them for "show" and votes. Hence the astronomical number of conservative women married to secretly gay men... the kind arrested for trolling for sex in airport bathrooms, the kind that wreak havoc on families across the nation and in more extreme cases, the kind responsible for unimaginable depravity. Conservatives are a scourge on the very institutions they purport to cherish. “Defense of Marriage Act”, another sick Republican joke!!!!!!!!!!
Gay orientation is NOT the problem, NEVER HAS BEEN, NEVER WILL BE. It’s about like being left-handed or brunette or having a musical inclination or breathing. The problem is repression of the kind the republican party demands and rewards!!!!!!!!!!!
What you resist, persists. Bet on it! | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/18/2009 4:48:24 PM | Funny how the uber-rich get richer, the poor get poorer, nothing of substance ever REALLY changes....and yet most jackoffs STILL allow themselves to be taken totally out of play by engaging in the demonstrably bogus Republicrat blame game.
Keep attacking each other for being on the wrong side of the same coin. It's a great distraction for you....keeps ya from actually doing anything or educating yourselves or (God forbid) helping to bring about some REAL "change."
We have 1 party with 2 faces. Average out the votes and policies and tell me how they're OHHHH SO DIFFERENT.
Millions of ignoramuses can't be wrong, right? | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/19/2009 9:30:42 AM | Seren..
I really enjoy your far left rants...they make my day! I just love you loons!
Look folks..We were screwed over by Bush...yes.
The obama was handed a mess...yes.
But the way out of the mess is not by printing 2 trillion dollars! The way out is not saving the auto industry with hundreds of billions of OUR tax dollars. We need to let these companies go bankrupt and reorganize. We should not be saving the homes of people who NEVER should have bought on in the first place if they could not afford it.
Both political parties backed Fanny and Freddie for over 20 years...told them to give out the bad loans...why should we pay for it?
In the real world...do you buy a new car if you can not make the payments? They will repo the thing...why not the same with a house? | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/19/2009 10:44:19 AM |
Seren..
I really enjoy your far left rants...they make my day! I just love you loons!
Look folks..We were screwed over by Bush...yes.
The obama was handed a mess...yes.
But the way out of the mess is not by printing 2 trillion dollars! The way out is not saving the auto industry with hundreds of billions of OUR tax dollars. We need to let these companies go bankrupt and reorganize. We should not be saving the homes of people who NEVER should have bought on in the first place if they could not afford it.
Both political parties backed Fanny and Freddie for over 20 years...told them to give out the bad loans...why should we pay for it?
In the real world...do you buy a new car if you can not make the payments? They will repo the thing...why not the same with a house?
Tell me how repossessing a home makes a difference to a bank or it's investors if they can't resell it at the same or a higher price or resell it at all ? Since you apparently have the answers why don't you share them with the rest of us, try to be a little specific on how and what you would do get our economy under control, what do we need to do differently in order to have big business want to invest in the American economy and the American worker? After the auto industry goes belly up what do you think we can do with the 6 million people that will no longer be employed and no longer paying taxes
Are you making recommendations based on facts and knowledge or do you have a crystal ball ? How do you substantiate your recommendations? | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/19/2009 11:20:19 AM |
Both political parties backed Fanny and Freddie for over 20 years...told them to give out the bad loans...why should we pay for it?
In the real world...do you buy a new car if you can not make the payments? They will repo the thing...why not the same with a house?
I know the right wants to make this about Fanny and Freddie - and you're not a blind follower of dogma.
But the actual cause was an unregulated Wall Street. They bought mortgages; packaged them up and sold them in pieces. They did such a good job of selling them and made so much money that they increased demand for them. So they pushed the demand for mortgages - they'd buy anything offered because they could turn around and sell them at a profit. The rating agencies took bad loans and gave them AAA ratings based on a never ending 6% per year growth in value. Every level of the players knew this couldn't be sustained, but they made money while it worked. If there was no such thing as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac this still would have unfolded exactly the way it did.
If, however, there had been a responsible regulatory framework, and enough cops to enforce it - it wouldn't have happened. It didn't happen here in Canada. It all came out of the deregulation and "Get Government off Business' Backs" mentality which has dominated both parties for 30 years. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/19/2009 12:53:22 PM |
what do we need to do differently in order to have big business want to invest in the American economy and the American worker? After the auto industry goes belly up what do you think we can do with the 6 million people that will no longer be employed and no longer paying taxes
Well to get big business to want to invest in the American economy--how about not taxing them to death so they move overseas? How about chilling out on all the cafe standards and ridiculous EPA B.S. that resticts doing economical business?
Instead of handing billions to the auto industry why not hand the billions directly to those 6 million workers--they'd be set for life. And probably do a better job stimulating the economy than keeping the dinosaurs alive ever will. Then new auto companies would spring up that have a decent business model. And again, chill on the cafe standards and EPA B.S. which strangles the cost of doing business--and possibly they can pay fair wages without having the UAW breathing down their necks all the time--possibly do away it altogether.
Or even better, send the illegals packing back to their countries of origin. Then the unemployed either work those jobs or they become homeless. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/19/2009 1:04:49 PM |
Well to get big business to want to invest in the American economy--how about not taxing them to death so they move overseas? How about chilling out on all the cafe standards and ridiculous EPA B.S. that resticts doing economical business?
Yeah, cause you know deregulation has worked sooo well up to now.
Hey, clearly the problems with tainted food are the onerous regulations as well. If you got rid of the FDA and all those pesky "rules" you could really help out the food and drug companies.
The US drove the tax cutting to corporations which forced the rest of the first world to cut taxes in line. They're not being "taxed to death"; they're not even paying a fraction of what they're getting from the civil government. Most of the court system is dedicated to their purposes; the transportation system is stressed by their goods being transported; most everyday State Dept work is dedicated to protecting their interests; the patent office is for their almost exclusive benefit; the military protects shipping lanes for them. I could go on and on, but frankly I'm getting bored. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/19/2009 9:19:57 PM |
They're not being "taxed to death"; they're not even paying a fraction of what they're getting from the civil government.
Then why do you suppose they are moving overseas? The fun of it? Please enlighten me. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/19/2009 9:31:18 PM | Because you let them.
It's pretty simple. If, for instance, Haliburton wants to get government contracts as well as all the benefits of American civil society, but doesn't want to actually pay their share of that society - they move their head office to a tax haven.
Now, it would be crazy to give a foreign corporation no-bid military contracts that are paid by American tax dollars. Obviously no responsible government would even countenance such a thing.
Under the Republicans, there's been no downside to shirking responsibility. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/19/2009 9:57:58 PM | Because you let them.
Okay, so the government still loses all taxes that way. Wouldn't it be better to keep an employer here and have all the workers paying taxes? No, for democrats that isn't enough. They have to tax everything. They'd rather see large unemployment numbers than see some big business stay in the country without paying their "fair share". Never mind that instead they pay nothing at all, nor do any workers, because there aren't any. And don't forget the extra burden of paying out all that welfare and unemployment. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/20/2009 7:17:53 AM |
Okay, so the government still loses all taxes that way. Wouldn't it be better to keep an employer here and have all the workers paying taxes? No, for democrats that isn't enough. They have to tax everything. They'd rather see large unemployment numbers than see some big business stay in the country without paying their "fair share". Never mind that instead they pay nothing at all, nor do any workers, because there aren't any. And don't forget the extra burden of paying out all that welfare and unemployment.
Let me help, lets say that your a corporate CEO and you can move your operation over seas where you will pay a worker 75 cents per hour and then ship your products to countries with economies that can afford to pay 20.00 per gidget and each gidget produced has a total cost of 2.00 from manufacturing to store shelf. the minimum wage in the USA is 7.50 per hour or ten times what it would cost you in labor alone to produce the same gidget. Sure taxes, EPA standards, working conditions all factor in but the main driver is the differences in wages. As that CEO what would you do?
The American worker has to compete with the foreign worker making 1/10th the hourly rate that's why big business has moved to foreign countries, that's why it's hard to find any thing made in the USA .
President Obama recognizes why big business has left the country and knows that without employment for Americans that our economy is shot and has no hope of recovery, Lower the tax rate all you want, pollute the environment all you want and still the differences in hourly wages will exist. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/20/2009 7:43:08 AM | Thank you.
I was just too dim to understand what he was talking about. The fact that he prefaced it with a quote from my post made me feel that he was somehow addressing what I said. But, as I said, I couldn't figure it out.
Jobs don't get moved overseas because of taxes. Even a quick glance will tell you ; that. Taxes get paid on profits; if costs go down, profits go up. Head offices move because of taxes. Scumbag corporations will move to a tax haven. If you really want to try to compete with countries that have no corporate taxes just so they won't move their mailing address, then all their spending on propoganda has paid off.
Microsoft hasn't moved their head office. Neither has Apple, GM, Disney or General Electric. There's a reason for that. Only if you own politicians like Haliburton can you expect to suck at the public teat while shirking responsibility. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/20/2009 9:58:21 AM |
Microsoft hasn't moved their head office.
And Bill Gates could lose a million dollars a day everyday for the rest of his life and still be a very wealthy man.
So maybe he doesn't mind the taxes and other stuff. As far as your favorite example, would you like it better if Haliburton were to disaapper altogether and another 100,000 or so of our citizens join the ranks of the unemployed?
GM hasn't moved yet? Why would they? The CEOs and UAW is driving the company into the ground and the taxpayers are paying for it. A guy who puts a nut a into bolt gets paid 36 dollars an hour for doing it. Thanks UAW for making cars that are worth 15,000 dollars cost 40,000. No wonder the economy sucks.
So bottom line is, we can't have it all--which is better? 300 million working and paying taxes & 150 or so large corporations getting tax cuts, or 300 million on the dole because the companies can do better elsewhere? Concessions are going to have to be made somewhere is all I am saying. I'm not trying to argue that what they do is right, I'm just saying that they do it. The question was how can we keep jobs in this country, and I gave general ideas. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/20/2009 10:51:12 AM | Explain it to me. Cause I'm just not getting it.
Taxes are paid on profits. Profits go up if costs go down.
Jobs are sent overseas because costs are lower there. That means profits go up. How is lowering taxes going to keep jobs in the US? Yeah, if a head office is moved to a tax haven, they have to have a receptionist there - but to lower taxes to zero to keep one receptionist job seems excessive. And you would have to lower taxes to zero, since that's what the tax havens offer.
Haliburton would not disappear if they had to pay taxes in the US if they wanted to get tax funded contracts. They managed for years doing just that. The actual jobs that are leaving are leaving because of lower wage costs - not lower taxes.
As far as your rant on wages at GM goes, that's a different topic. I took you to task on your logical falacy on corporate taxes driving jobs overseas. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/20/2009 1:14:18 PM |
Let me help, lets say that your a corporate CEO and you can move your operation over seas where you will pay a worker 75 cents per hour and then ship your products to countries with economies that can afford to pay 20.00 per gidget and each gidget produced has a total cost of 2.00 from manufacturing to store shelf. the minimum wage in the USA is 7.50 per hour or ten times what it would cost you in labor alone to produce the same gidget. Sure taxes, EPA standards, working conditions all factor in but the main driver is the differences in wages. As that CEO what would you do?
Exactly. As your example shows, minimum wage costs jobs. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/20/2009 1:35:11 PM |
combat waste, fraud, and abuse in
order to make traditional Medicare more efficient."
The only way to combat waste, fraud, and abuse in the current Medicare is to start a national health care plan.
OP ... if the publican's alternative budget does not include the cost of the war (which it hasn't in the past), then ... although we already know it's a huge joke ... it's an even bigger joke!!!
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/20/2009 2:03:38 PM | The only way to combat waste, fraud, and abuse in the current Medicare is to start a national health care plan.
How is replacing one wasteful, fraudulent government program with an even bigger government program going to cut down on the waste, fraud and abuse?
I don't get it. Medicaid is already run by the government. Isn't it obvious that huge government bureaucracies are inherently inefficient and wasteful by their very nature?
"Our bureaucracy will grow to meet the needs of our growing bureaucracy." | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/20/2009 2:24:48 PM | Well, back in the 60's Canada and the US had the same system - even most of the same companies providing insurance. We spent slightly more per capita on health care with slightly worse outcomes.
Then we went to national healthcare. Our outcomes are way better, and our costs are significantly lower. Largely because 25 cents out of every dollar in healthcare spending in the US goes to administration.
To quote someone here:
"Our bureaucracy will grow to meet the needs of our growing bureaucracy." | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/20/2009 4:41:23 PM | Medicaid is run by local Welfare offices. Medicaid benefits vary from county to county in each individual state. In Ohio, one can live in Franklin County (Central Ohio/Columbus area) and get almost no benefits because too many people are drawing Welfare ... so the Medicaid benefits decline. First they get rid of dental, then vision, then they start pulling medications from the lists of available drugs. You can move to the next county south (Hocking) and get not only full Welfare benefits but A-1 Medicaid benefits as well.
One county may only be able to provide basic benefits ... visits to the doctors and a minimal supply of medications whereas the next county over will provide vision, dental, medical and all the prescription medications you need.
Medicaid is paid by generated tax dollars in individual counties. Medicare is run by the government and the problem with it is that the benefits keep changing according to what congressman or senator needs what favor. If other agencies come up short ... they always dip into the Medicare pot. Doing away with lobbyists should help greatly there.
I've worked on and off for home health agencies in the past few years and we are constantly getting different guidelines from Medicare ... it all has to do with who's in office. I've been a nurse now through two administrations. Let me just say that my patients were never in need when Clinton was in office and the longer Bush was in office ... the worse it got.
National health care will probably eventually do away totally with the need for Medicare and Medicaid. At least half of the people on Welfare (in need of Medicaid) are there because they have lost their homes and their ability to take care of themself because they could not get appropriate health care.
The relief on the Welfare roles will give the counties and states more money to spend on the truly needy people. It needs some time to get in place, but once in place it will be wonderful. I know, I've lived with National health care before. It was wonderful and homelessness because a person could not pay for medical ... did not exist in the country I lived in. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/20/2009 10:07:56 PM | ^^^ Yikes, I had no idea either.
dmotz,
Glad to be of service and right back at ya.
Not a big fan of the bailouts here either. Always believed had United been allowed to go belly up the entire industry would have been better off. Did find this alternative opinion: http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2008/09/22/do-government-bailouts-work-ask-the-airlines/
although, I remain unconvinced.
I think the housing mess is something else altogether. Personally, I think the mortgage industry is as much if not more at fault than the buyers. WHY DID THEY MAKE THE LOANS? Follow the money and TAKE IT BACK! (and please, before you say it, everyone foreclosing IS NOT of the CRA loan variety. The stories I've heard about what some mortgage brokers did ought to land them in prison!)
On top of those who were poor risks to begin with, it's my understanding there are quite a few people who could afford to buy that are losing their homes because of the economy. What happens when occupancy rates tank? I suppose we could just do it and see where it goes, but I'm not sure that's the best solution.
Before you accuse me of believing that people who can't pay ought to get some bailout, that's not what I think at all. I pay my mortgage x 2 every month and think it would be grossly unfair for people who bought way over their heads to skate.
We are bright people, or so we're told. Someone ought to be able to figure this out! | |
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