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Posted: 3/29/2009 5:13:38 PM | Sun headline no doubt "Jenson as it buttoned up" ........
Even better was Ruben's second place especially after the start he had .. good luck and Ross B's tactical nouse worked wonders for both drivers  | |
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Posted: 3/29/2009 5:31:39 PM | its been soooooo long waiting for the season to start  kimi is going to get even though he had a tad of trouble today
 congrats jenson | |
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Posted: 3/29/2009 6:39:41 PM | | i flipped over to the ice skating. end of. some very pretty figure skating routines with girls twisting around on guys shoulders and waists with dancing is alot more interesting than 30 identical cars moving around 30 identical laps. | |
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Posted: 3/29/2009 11:55:41 PM |
ice skating..... is alot more interesting than 30 identical cars moving around 30 identical laps
In which case I look forward to reading the 'Ice Skating 09 ' thread which no doubt will be highly interesting ;-) ......... | |
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Posted: 3/30/2009 12:39:39 AM | Very interesting race,
Nice to see different teams and drivers on the podium rather than the usual procession of scarlet or silver.
However, I predict the first few races will be the same as Melbourne, then as the other teams figure out the aero side (especially that pesky rear diffuser) their native speed will shine through and a return to more predictable results will happen.
I do fancy Brawn to be there or there abouts come the middle of the season, as for the end?
I just dont know! | |
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Posted: 3/30/2009 2:55:24 AM |
The only thing I'm a bit miffed about is Vettel getting a 10-grid position penalty for his accident with Kubica...it really didn't look to be much more than a genuine racing accident with 50/50 blame.
To be fair young Seb was a tad out of control with his brakes locked and back end twitching as he entered the corner and he has held his hands up about the incident which I think shows great maturity.
Although after all the controversy of the diffuser issue it was surprising to see him and big nose Bob up at the front as we were told told that the cars with the new diffuser had a significant advantage. After seeing the race and the performance of the cars in race trim I'm of the opinion that Brawns dominance was down to the whole package that they have put together rather than just one component. Remember that they have been develeoping their 09 car for quite a bit longer than the other teams and the head start they have gained by doing this will probably ensure their continued dominance throughout the season due to the new regulations with regard to testing. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2009 4:13:50 AM | | Another win for jenson, just a shame hes only gonna get 5pts! twas an excellent first hour with tactics going out the window with weather and tyres. just a shame it ended the way it did. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2009 4:32:37 AM | Loved the scrap between Webber and Hamilton...
Really pleased for Jenson, those Mclarens have got to find something from somewhere soon if they are to even pose a threat to fifth place!!
Nice to see the Ferrari's finishing nowhere again, just goes to show how important Brawn was to their strategy!! What were they thinking putting Raikkonen on full wets??? | |
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Posted: 4/5/2009 4:41:25 AM | I love the extreme and changable racing conditions, teams and drivers have to think on their feet (so to speak) brings out the real racer in every driver. And how big do your balls have to be to keep your foot down with zero visabilty?!
As for this rear diffuser thingy, the decision on it's legality is coming up very soon. Whether it is or isn't, and once all cars have it or don't, we'll see how good the Brawn really car is! | |
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Posted: 4/8/2009 9:51:29 AM | | Yeah, YA DUDE!, I saw Sebring and missed the Porsches as well. I love the ALMS, I hope it doesnt die though! :-( At least theres plenty of GT2 cars! :-) (back on topic) Go Button! | |
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Posted: 4/8/2009 12:16:46 PM | | I'm loving this season so far, mainly because I've always said if Jenson got a good drive he would do well. Two 1st places! I really hope they opt to keep these diffusers in, although usually they bow down to Ferrari's moaning and since they are without them who knows... | |
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Posted: 4/8/2009 12:27:15 PM | even diffusers wouldn't make up for the tactical nightmares that they had in the last race .... full wets on a dry track???? Not even inters ..?? And lets no forget the c0cky "thats a good lap " in qualifying ... oh - everyone else has gone faster ... bugger !
Gimme the job - I'll be team manager for a weekend - at least I'll get 'em a point or two !!! | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 4:33:56 AM | I'm still wondering about the wisdom of moving the start time in Malaysia back to suit the European TV market. Personally I'd rather watch a recording of a full race than a live washout. Hopefully Uncle Bernie has learnt his lesson on this one and will stop buggering about with things in the future. Somehow I doubt that though.
One minute they are changing the regulations to encourage overtaking. But, at the same time they are introducing new circuits where overtaking is virtually impossible in preference to established tracks just because they happen to be in lucrative TV markets. If the diffuser row does result in penalties for the teams using it I think that the sport may lose any credibility that it still has and I really hope that this doesn't happen. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 5:19:34 AM | I have to say moving the start time in Malaysia was daft, and left little time for light permitting stoppages. Im not that bothered about getting up at 7 evry now and then to watch my beloved F1. Or I can even record it on the magic telly box and watch it at my leisure,technology!
I dont understand why there is massive surprise over the BrawnGB team doing so well.Last season Brawn took the decision not to develop that seasons race car, and concentrated on developing this seasons car, seems the decision worked. Ross Brawn is no fool, and has excelled at every team a very shrewd head for F1. I hope they got Hamilton at the end of the season Rubens is getting near'er to retirement, then we will have a good old UK team.
Ferrari piss my pants funny, full wets??? Seems they have lost all control over rational thinking, mistake after mistake. Raikkonen no longer seems interested, Again! All cars will end up with the rear Diffuser used on the Brawn cars, FIA and Bernie will know that they are too winner with the Brawn team doing well, a good fairytale(ish) story to be a sub plot to the racing. If it looks good for F1 then you know Bernie will get his way. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 9:42:16 AM | | Ah well, proper racing starts this weekend , with the first bike Moto GP race in Qatar ... at night under floodlights for the second time . 8:00pm sunday, our time , 11:00 pm Qatar time. Bets have to be on Rossi again, but it will be interesting to see how Britains James Toseland gets on now that he 'knows' the tracks | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 11:36:34 AM |
Ah well, proper racing starts this weekend , with the first bike Moto GP race in Qatar ... at night under floodlights for the second time . 8:00pm sunday, our time , 11:00 pm Qatar time. Bets have to be on Rossi again, but it will be interesting to see how Britains James Toseland gets on now that he 'knows' the tracks
ROFL Seems even the bikes come a croper in the rain of Qatar, even the Ice Skating would of been more interesting than the BBC3 coverage last night.
What are your predictions for this F1 season, who will win the championship. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 12:21:45 PM | Just watched the re-race on red button tonight .. bit of a dull race to be honest, by my aint that Ducati quick at 206 mph down the straight ...
This years f1 championship ? Ask me again tomorrow when they decide if Jenson's car is legal or not ... It would be hard to bet against McLaren or Ferrari again to be honest - they wont make such a balls up again this season, and if they get their own diffuser sorted, they'll take some stopping
But I really really hope Jenson does it ;) | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 6:17:53 AM |
Ask me again tomorrow when they decide if Jenson's car is legal or not ...
Well the diffuser is legal, as it was prior to the start of the season, and cleared again as being legal by the race stewards in Melbourne, now the FIA have also declared it legal.
Another example of what is wrong with F1 at the moment, that race results can be altered weeks after the event if an appeal is lodged and successfully held up.
Why cant they just pass the cars at the start of the season, then we would not have this kind of debacle, along with those we had last year. With race results being ammended days or weeks after.
Well I would love to see Button top dog at the end of this year, I think after this weekends race we should have a much better idea if the Brawn team really can do it.A good result for them over the weekend will make it harder for the other teams to catch up. Ferrari to finish with nothing this year, and be outclassed by at least three other teams, I fear the same may happen to McLaren as well.
Will we see the real Hamilton this year, if the McLarens cant find any more pace will he be happy to sit in the middle of the pack, or will he take the car and wring every last ounce of horsepower from it, and drag the McLaren team into contention?
Oggers over to you for your predictions dear sir. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 6:42:48 AM | Absolutely brilliant.. At last the FIA stand up to Ferrari and make their own decisions... AND STICK TO THEM...
We'll certainly see a test of Hamilton's true character this season... I can't see him staying with them after the debacles of the first two races.. First one ordered to lie to officials, second one given incorrect information so in the post race interview he believed he was 5th and not 7th... He's been made to look a fool in front of the cameras by those who work behind them and enjoy a level of anonymity he does not... His reputation has been damaged and there is very little he can do to repair it...
There are huge trust issues in that team now and too many bridges have been burned for it ever to work well again in it's current format...
I hope Jenson runs away with the title this year and shows Frank Williams just what he let go all those seasons ago!! | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 8:08:00 AM | ^^^^ ditto.
But as oggers intimated it is going to Diffusers a go go now, now they have stopped whining! Could it be wide open for a change? | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 8:18:04 AM | I wonder which toy Ferrari will throw out of their pram now things haven't gone their way ?
I think it's great to see some different faces on the podium. Go Jenson
If I split the diffuser on my hairdryer will that make it go faster too ?  | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 9:41:02 AM | With the new rules, Ferrari won't be allowed to spend their way out of trouble, as they have in the past. As it is, Massa and Darth Vader are sat in comparatively poopy little motors, having a red car is no longer guaranteed to get you your own way, and the spending cap means this is unlikely to change.
Shame, innit? | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 10:06:06 AM | Used to really respect the guy when he first came on the scene but now, Mr. Lewis Hamilton is a****for the following reasons;
1) Remember "I'm moving to Switzerland to hide from the fame" and then promptly went off to hosting the MTV awards and later admitted on Parkinson that he "actually moved for tax reasons". Oh dear...
2) Jenson Button challenged him in a worldwide press conference to a triathlon to which he said yes then later said he couldn't because, er, he just couldn’t. Whoops again...
3) Remember the flying god thing before the Turkish Grand Prix (if I remember correctly) which was truly bizarre. Enough said really...
3) Now, him and his Dad are throwing their dummies out the pram because someone told him to tell a lie to which he could have quite easily said no, and guess what, it is everyone else’s fault and the team have treated him terribly.****
Rant over and sorry to any fans of the****out there.
Button to win as he deserves some luck but Valentino Rossi is the greatest ever and Moto GP is so much better than F1... | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 10:10:03 AM | Also given that the diffuser is attatched to the gear box, changing the design of the diffuser will not be easy as they will also have to make modifactions to the gear box, quite possibly to much to do in one season, plus it cant be tested practically unless its a race weekend, as there is no in season testing allowed.
Just shows how capable Ross Brawn is and how much Honda must be kicking themselves for pulling out of the sport,yet still underwriting the Brawn team to the tune of 100m. Evertime I see one of Hondas adverts it makes me chuckle ,always banging on about how forward looking they are as a company, yet may just have missed out on having a Honda car winning the championship, Brawn bought it for a 1 quid lol.
I have to agree with the earlier post that McLaren are making Lewis look like a chump, which he wont like one bit, and now he has proved he can drive at F1 level Lewis does'nt need McLaren , but they need him.
Have hated Ferrari for a long time, best moment so far seeing them all celebrate for 20 seconds last season in Brazil, going nuts.Then told Lewis had just done it, for tears of joy to abject misery in 20 seconds, priceless. Could they top that this year by failing to win a single race, with BMW,Renault, and Toyota all looking stronger.
<div class='quote'>Valentino Rossi is the greatest ever and Moto GP is so much better than F1... then why not start a thread about Moto GP? Also non of the UK drivers live in England, Button is a tax exile in Monaco,as was Coulthard!! | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 10:23:40 AM | I am pretty sure that BMW , Red Bull , Renault and all the other teams (even Force India) have already had frantic build projects going on at the factories in readiness for just such a decision - and those diffusers are already in China ready for Friday FP1.....
So this weekend, we will see just where the lie of the land is. They wont have been able to test them of course, but they will be pretty close to the optimum design . Brawn, Toyota and Williams (was it?) have of course tested their diffusers before the testing ban came along at the end of last year, so there should still be an advantage there. A good diffuser is worth maybe half a second a lap, but Ferrari and McLaren are more than that away from the front
What will be interesting is to see how the KERS cars will perform with proper diffusers.
Prediction ? I think that tactically even Mclaren and Ferrari can't make such a balls of it again this weekend, and if they have diffusers in place, they will be closer to the front , but I still think that Brawn will take the flag this weekend .. Hamilton will drag the McLaren into around 4th or 5th on his ability alone, higher if they have a diffuser onboard.
Championship? Colours nailed to the mast - Jenson. If he has consistency, he can do it - and RB is a tactical genius. The other teams are all taking points off each other at the moment, and whilst Ferrari and McLaren will be strong at the end of the year, I think Jenson might just go on collecting points ... and we all know what points make !
Go Jenson !  | |
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