| Nazism: A Bush Family Tradition
Posted: 7/4/2005 6:56:09 AM | Yes it is, Nittany...
I do believe there is abit of hysteria in this film. I don't believe the Bush family is allied to any ideology but personal profit. I don't think they care about Naziism any more than they care about democracy. This family puts their personal wealth and the wealth of their friends above all else... but just seeing the documented facts and adding them to what's going on now is probably very shocking to most people. MANY of these things are not just on this blog: they're part of the congressional record.
It's not like with Kennedy, where his dad was a nazi sympathizer trying to talk roosevelt into joining the other side.
This family was a major player in the takeover of Germany BY the Nazis and the start of World War II.
Given the current and recent involvement of the family in starting wars under false pretenses and their long time and recent (Carlyle Group) association with arms to anyone for profit (biochemical weapons chemicals to Saddam while George I was vice president? China getting ICBM secrets during the same period?) , George I's associations with Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden, George II's starting the war under false pretenses, restarting the nuke arms race and buying an obsolete missile system idea: there is a reason to wake up and smell the coffee...All Americans ought to look at this stuff and see what they think.
This family has no problem starting wars. they've made their family fortune off it and they don't care who wins or who it hurts.
"I'm a WAR president." -George W. Bush
and if you DON'T think this guy is a piece of work, look at the smug smile on his face when he says this stuff...
if YOU had a family history like this and YOU were president in spite of it, would YOU look like he does when he talks about war?
Would YOU make jokes about looking for WMD's when the press comes to the White House, as he did?
He's a kid who was born on third base and he's in daddy's big chair. The guys a nut case. We have to get him and his OUT. | |
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| Nazism: A Bush Family Tradition
Posted: 7/4/2005 10:22:20 AM | Heres what the LA times had to say about the speech;
More than two years ago, Bush argued that Saddam Hussein's control over Iraq could make the nation a haven for terrorists. But in his nationally televised speech, Bush asserted that the tumult that has followed Hussein's removal created the same threat.
In the lead-up to the war, Bush presented the invasion of Iraq primarily as a means of preventing the Iraqi dictator from providing nuclear, biological or chemical weapons to terrorists.
After coalition forces failed to find evidence of such weapons, and several investigations did not uncover meaningful links between Hussein and Al Qaeda, the president increasingly stressed the possibility that creating a democracy in Iraq could encourage democratic reform across the Middle East.
I swear George has relapsed and is back on the sauce and sucking on a hooka. | |
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| Nazism: A Bush Family Tradition
Posted: 7/4/2005 11:23:53 AM | and if you DON'T think this guy is a piece of work, look at the smug smile on his face when
He discusses the planes slamming into New York and Washington and Pennsylvania.
You've got a problem down there folks; you really really do.
On another note; are films like this made about EVERY President?
He is completely right about the Speechs sounding exactly like HItler though..for sure.
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| Nazism: A Bush Family Tradition
Posted: 7/4/2005 12:39:22 PM | | He does smile or smirk at inappropriate times sometimes. Yes, we do have a problem down here, frrosty. Sometimes I wish I was up there. | |
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| Nazism: A Bush Family Tradition
Posted: 7/5/2005 2:16:26 AM | EVERYBODY: Watch this. It's something you should be aware of...
I'm not sure of it's conclusions. I think critically and there are many opinions in this of things which have not yet occured and may never happen... but there are MANY disturbing FACTS about the Bush family that should be general knowledge, given he's doing what's being done.
you do realize john buchanan in the vid should be aressted for slander right? If i saw him face to face I whould put a bullet in his head just for brain washing weak minds. The way he discredited arnold and his grandfather being a NAZI whould make pulling the trigger that much easier. arnold should in no way be held accountable for what the rest of his family did and the shit he said about prescotte bush is utterly false. that man is biased and on an anti bush mission. but i realy shouldnt be saying this in an anti bush forum, its like a black man standing up for himself in a KKK convention. | |
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| Nazism: A Bush Family Tradition
Posted: 7/5/2005 8:55:18 AM | Read 'em and weep :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush#Nazi_Tie_Allegations
"In any case, it is now indisputable that Prescott Bush (via his business interests) was extensively involved with and enabled the rise of Nazi Germany, and its war machine. This has been clearly shown in recently declassified (2003) documents from the National Archives [2] No apology was ever offered by Prescott Bush or (since his death) by any Bush family member for his activities with Nazis or Nazi Germany. This despite the fact that many of these activities occurred after Nazi outrages such as Kristallnacht, and the savage invasions of Austria, Czechsolovakia, Poland, France, Denmark, and Norway. It should also be noted that much of the current Bush Family fortune can be traced back (directly or indirectly) to Nazi profiteering.
It could be argued that Prescott Bush's motivations with regard to the Nazis were strictly selfishly financial and not philisophical in nature. There is, however, strong evidence that Prescott Bush was a strong eugenicist. Bush was an acquitance of Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood and herself an avowed eugenicist. Margaret Sanger is on record favoring infanticide, compulsory sterilization, and (arguably) genocide [3]. In fact, Prescott served as Treasurer for Planned Parenthood's first national fund raising campaign in 1947 [4]
It should also be noted that the alliance between Hitler and the Harriman-Bush mileu went beyond mere business interests. Another area where they worked together extensively was race science--i.e. eugenics. For example, in 1932, W.A. Harriman arranged the Third International Eugenics Conference in New York, where Hitler's leading race scientist, Dr. Ernst Rudin, was unanimously elected president of the International Federation of Eugenics Societies. After studying the eugenics laws of California and Virginia, which had resulted in thousands of forced sterilizations in the United States, Dr. Rudin wrote the Nazi "Law for the Prevention of Hereditary Diseases in Posterity," which led to thousands of forced sterilizations and millions of exterminations in Nazi Germany."
The truth will set you free..... | |
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| Nazism: A Bush Family Tradition
Posted: 7/5/2005 9:19:36 AM | | i almost busted a gut laughing at this one montreal. the web address had the word allegation in it so right off the bad i knew it was potential bull shit. but for the hell of it i read on and was not impressed at all. no where did it show eny concrete evidence that bush was directly tied to the NAZI party or the totenkoph. | |
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| Nazism: A Bush Family Tradition
Posted: 7/5/2005 9:27:00 AM | Bust another one
"In any case, it is now indisputable that Prescott Bush (via his business interests) was extensively involved with and enabled the rise of Nazi Germany, and its war machine.This has been clearly shown in recently declassified (2003) documents from the National Archives "
That is the official archives my friend, not Micheal Moore's basement. | |
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| Nazism: A Bush Family Tradition
Posted: 7/5/2005 9:34:57 AM | | his busness intrests was a german steel company he invested in the early 30s and devested in the early 40s when war was declared on germany so it never conflicted with the trading with the enemy act. hitler seized the steel company. prescotte was never directly involved. show a pic with prescotte in a german sentry uniform with a NAZI armband and you got me sold. otherwise shut up. | |
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| Nazism: A Bush Family Tradition
Posted: 7/5/2005 11:07:31 AM | Swiftie: Bush family tradition. I'm not the only one who reads history. I've shown you this before. You're denying again.  | |
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| Nazism: A Bush Family Tradition
Posted: 7/5/2005 3:30:38 PM | his busness intrests was a german steel company he invested in the early 30s and devested in the early 40s when war was declared on germany so it never conflicted with the trading with the enemy act. hitler seized the steel company. prescotte was never directly involved. show a pic with prescotte in a german sentry uniform with a NAZI armband and you got me sold. otherwise shut up.
Wow, you have a high standard of evidence. I don't think there are any pictures of Hitler dressed like that - so does he get a pass too ? I guess those pictures were all burned when Prescott realized with horror that the Nazis were losing. Hard to drive to the golf course for those 18 rounds, in your Panzer, when the boys are unearthing the death camps - isn't it ?
Try getting some more "anti-gut busting pills " , Adobe, and sit down and read these.
( You didn't refer to his support of Eugenics, mentioned in the link I first gave you. )
http://www.debatecomics.org/BushFamilyFortune/
America USED to be about freedom of expression, without being afraid of expressing your mind. And an American, telling people to shut up in a political debate, is going against his nation's long history of political discussion.
Democracy ( God's gift to man, right ? ) is expressing your political opinion - and being free to.
May want to re-read that Declaration of Rights, where wise men wrote of the reasons for their action against a tyrant. Those that are protesting against the current situation are doing what your founding fathers firmly believed in , and acted upon.
http://www.law.emory.edu/FEDERAL/independ/declar.html
"HE has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power."
"HE has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance."
"FOR transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended Offences:"
"FOR taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:"
"WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the present King of Great- Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States."
Fitting, so close to July 4th. | |
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| Nazism: A Bush Family Tradition
Posted: 7/5/2005 11:11:05 PM | Arnt you canadian? the majority of your country sees the bill of rights as complete nonsense.
I appologize for my recent remark but so many of you just pick out what you want you hear and you just simply mark that as the truth without even taking 20 mins to research it and find out(what you think) is the truth. Michael jackson walked but before the verdict you could read a report made by a reasearcher about him being guilty and you will all of the sudden label that as the truth without even trying to gather the knowledge for yourself and make your own conclusions. | |
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| Nazism: A Bush Family Tradition
Posted: 7/6/2005 6:12:40 AM | I am a Canadian. and have always held the basic principles expressed in the American political system to be worthy of pride. I am old enough to remember JFK, and how people felt about what he stood for.
When he died, I remember ( I was six ) people crying, in a foreign country, for a foreign leader - because even knew what had been lost, and what had been forever changed.
I remember RFK being shot, and crying. I was 11, and I suddenly realized what those adults had felt 4 years earlier. I had been a passionate follower of his, after hearing his remarkable speech announcing the death of Martin Luther King - amongst a crowd of blacks , in a ghetto...and unprotected.
( please do yourself a favour, and listen to that speech. Close your eyes, don't read it...just imagine what that night was like....imagine you are standing there.... And remember his words were basically made up on the spot.)
http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/rfk.htm
It is still one of the most remarkable pieces of American public speaking I had ever heard, and hearing it now still brings a tear to my eye...and a shiver to my spine. It was off the cuff, and from the heart. It showed what simple honesty , eloquence, and speaking from the heart could do to move people away from revenge and violence.
THAT is a speech - compare it to anything you have heard since - in it's remarkable vision, and profound compassion - and in the midst of a time filled with utter madness and endless violence. Men like those are few and far between, and that flame that burns over their graves marks the high water mark of America's political potentional ( internally and externally) that was forever lost by the bullets that silenced them.
I grew up with Thoreau, and had a few teachers that had come across the border to escape the draft. They still had a remarkable passion, and gave me a good feeling about what Americans could stand for.
I watched almost every minute of the Watergate hearings, amazed at what your country showed the world. It proved that the strength of your government was based in the true power of the people to question and challenge. No single man was above the power of the people.
I have visited the US often, and been treated well. I love your country, and your people.
That is why I am so saddened by what I see today, and so outraged. | |
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| Nazism: A Bush Family Tradition
Posted: 7/6/2005 8:20:24 AM | There are plenty of issues, and problems, in Canada you know.
And they are being solved. (quite nicely actually)
(Any big ones that I should know about; so I have something to do?)
I remember RFK being shot, and crying. I was 11, and I suddenly realized what those adults had felt 4 years earlier. I had been a passionate follower of his, after hearing his remarkable speech announcing the death of Martin Luther King - amongst a crowd of blacks , in a ghetto...and unprotected
That just gave me chills.
The love that I just felt... | |
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| Nazism: A Bush Family Tradition
Posted: 7/6/2005 11:52:44 AM | well said montreal. regardless, out in public i risk getting into fights for saying im a bush supporter. I am entitled to my right to differ from them or enyone regardless of the names they may call me. I just find it odd how many people try and discredit their family to get back at bush or arnold.
honestly if kerry got voted into office i whould have supported him just as much as i support bush. i dont consider myself a dem or rep i just choose who i think might be a better president. each man had pros and cons and for one to say that bush had nothing but cons is biased i think. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2005 1:00:19 PM | Swiftcut: It's NOT what Bush's family is so much as what he's doing. There's a pattern of his behavior which has been consistent with his family history.
Prescott helped start WWII. It was a big money maker for him. He helped light the fire that got the whole world burning for about six years and created his family fortune.
George Herbert Walker Bush was head of the CIA. He helped put Noriega in power. He was in constant communication with Saddam during the Iran/Iraq war and never said "boo" when Saddam bought chemicals from the US for bioweapons and then USED them against Iran. The whole Iran war probably had something to do with Saddam acting as a mercenary to attempt to overthrow Iran's government after the hostage crisis with the US.
Dubyah starts a war for no good reason on information he made up.
He even grins and calls himself a "war president" when people wonder why we're locked into a neverending "war against terrorism" after he invaded a nation that never attacked us.
Don't you see a pattern?
I do... | |
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| Nazism: A Bush Family Tradition
Posted: 7/6/2005 4:27:38 PM |
well said montreal. regardless, out in public i risk getting into fights for saying im a bush supporter. I am entitled to my right to differ from them or enyone regardless of the names they may call me. I just find it odd how many people try and discredit their family to get back at bush or arnold.
honestly if kerry got voted into office i whould have supported him just as much as i support bush. i dont consider myself a dem or rep i just choose who i think might be a better president. each man had pros and cons and for one to say that bush had nothing but cons is biased i think.
Actually, I agree that all politicians have pros and cons in their platforms. In Bush's case, his cons ( or is that neo-cons) exceed his plus side. The division worldwide, and internally, he has been responsible for within our ranks is one main one.
Governments, and leaders, should unite - and not divide.
As to family background, it has a certain worth. Republicans have this ability to want to hold people responsible for their actions....well...ok....poor people.
If you were supporting the worst evil this century has seen, in any way, that shows a fatal flaw in character. It is part of the historical record, and undeniable. | |
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| Nazism: A Bush Family Tradition
Posted: 7/6/2005 5:36:56 PM |
Prescott helped start WWII. It was a big money maker for him. He helped light the fire that got the whole world burning for about six years and created his family fortune.
i disagree, investing in a foreign steel company is legal. i saw nothing wrong with that as willy messerschmit invested in the british company daimler and bens before the war installing all early fighter aircraft with british engines. then when the battle of britain broke out london was being bombed by british powered german fighters and bombers. | |
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