| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/6/2009 7:17:09 PM | Yeah the 100% and 100% is an article of faith, and doctrine. There are a few Christian outliers, but that is besides the point. I was answering your question, as to the juxapostion of Jesus teachings and his precieved personality.
As to Socialism, I'm actually answered that it is contrary to Christian belief. However, I also answered in my "formula" that Jesus was also completely human, therefore, capable of nuance like all of us are. I think where we get confused, is who is doing the giving. Christianity believes in charity, therefore the individual giving of him or herself for the betterment of the community, whereas, socialism, is the State, (Rome in Jesus's time) gives to the members of the community for there betterment. So it is a function of responsiablity. Christian Charity you do good because you wish to become more Christ-like. Socialism you give because you want equality. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 7:28:51 PM | hey gadget..
you wrote:
"Christian Charity you do good because you wish to become more Christ-like. Socialism you give because you want equality."
Have to disagree with you , With socialism there is no voluntary giving to obtain equality, it is co-erced by the state. If it was volutary, I would have no problem with it. And like it was once said, socialism works great, right up to the point where you run out of other peoples money...............
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/6/2009 7:53:53 PM | | It was an oversimplification, best I could think of. I also said it was state controled. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/6/2009 10:56:14 PM | Gadget,
It's all good. I know that you have faith in God, and that's a good thing. Same with Paul K.
Some of us use the forums for simply stretching our mind and learning. Nothing serious attached to it.
In my case, I'm a legal scholar and also teach critical thinking at the university level. I come here to get back in touch with the real world. I won't judge you if you don't judge me.
As for anyone trying to impose their views on me ... I know better than to let that happen.
BTW, solar energy might be a better way to go, as opposed to wind energy -- the wind energy niche is pretty well filled up by a Swedish company, just my two cents. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/7/2009 7:36:02 AM | I have more expertise in Turbine tech. so that is why I want to go with wind on a micro-scale.
I use the forums as a method, of physical therapy since the IED explosion and subsequent TBI.
I don't take anything personal here, unless, I'm addressed personally in a negative way. Like I said in the US we're all able to make or own choice on religion. What may be good for one might not be good for all. I've studied the religions of the world, and see some good and ill in all. This topic is speaking about Jesus, that is why we're talking about Christian doctrine. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/7/2009 10:09:05 AM | Hey gadget
While we are off topic........ here in Califoniam there is a rather strong current just off shore. It goes the same direction, about the same speed consistantly. Has anybody ever considered a series of underwater turbines that are attached to the sea floor, and turned by the current, thereby making electricity?
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/7/2009 11:44:14 AM | | Not to my knowlegde however, any that claims to know it all is a fool. There is a alternate energy thread. However the scale that I'm looking to work at is the size of the individual family home. I see it as an energy suppliment. I'm sure Jesus would approve, because we are being good stewards, saving resources. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/7/2009 4:55:48 PM | Billy ...playing catholic? can u elaborate on that?
Or do pass judgments often...........without the even the correct knowledge
thereof???
Your posts' are becoming moreso contradicting.....
God does not enjoy punishing the wicked! He just does!!!!
he does not need vegeance yet his wrath against sin
will be seen by all .
He has nothing to prove lol omg
But the people do......wickedness and all kinds of sin have brought
the destruction of the world............man's free will!!!!!!! | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/7/2009 8:55:35 PM | Ol Billy has left the building ... but I'm here ...
Hey, answer me this:
Wasn't there some great big flood where ol Noah built an ark and he commences to take pairs of animals and what not. Reckon whatever man or critter ol Noah didn't see fit to load on the ark was drowned.
And, who caused the flood to happen?
Well, let me take from your post:
wickedness and all kinds of sin have brought
the destruction of the world............man's free will!!!!!!!
Reckon since we've already determined that Jesus was 100% man and 100% God, then Jesus, as a man, had free will, and I reckon, from your post, that he it was his wickedness and all kinds of sin that have brought destruction of the world? Through the flood, I mean?
Geez, I don't want to believe that, as I prefer to have my own interpretation of Jesus. Your interpretation makes him out to be a bad man. I prefer my interpretation which makes him out to be a Good Man. And I reckon, to keep this post on thread, that that makes him out to be more of a pacifist.
I won't go so far as saying that he demonstrated socialism. I mean, Cuba is supposed to be socialist, and it appears to be, from behavior patterns, more of a dictatorship. The problem stems from the fact that historical reality often distorts the "pure" meaning of terms.
But, to each their own. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:42:05 AM | Hmmm, now were talking about the Difference of the Old Testament/ Qu'ranic God. This God is often the angry Dad senerio. We can also look at poor ole Job, or Hosea to see the tribulations which God has put people through. I pointed out the Jesus wasn't a Pacifist. We can read Augustine's City of God for the justification for war etc. You can think of it of a parent that has unconditional love, but sometimes has to bring his children back in line. Afterall, Jesus did call God the Father. I think this is a very good description of God and his interactions with humanity.
Oh to 100% and 100% was determined by ancient Christian scholors.
We can say with some certainity that Jesus didn't like the Roman society and power structure. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 9:28:58 PM | krebby its like this ..... you are not a pleasant poster to talk to.....but
nevertheless I will respond to once again yet another misinterpretation
of the words in the bible or maybe just your uneducated guess's????
Noahs' ark you say ? God instructed moses to gather two of every animal
and to allow all who listened to the warning God had spoken through
moses'; to also enter the boat.
Even when the rains began to fall.......and the winds became stronger the
crowds still mocked noah rather Gods' warning.........Noah felt empathy
as the winds grew more fierce......and the heavy rains fell forcefully upon
the earth...........Noah had to close the doors of the ark........the people
screamed for help.....................................when it was toooooooo late....
Has much changed since then??
Noah was a faithful servant to God.........
How many of you who call yourselves christians can say the same???
I hope one day you can........................
and yes it was because of the sins of man/woman that brought Gods'
hand of destruction on the world. Even him felt bad at what he did God
claimed He would never flood the world again..............God is love......he is
mercy..........who dares to challenge him.......? what would they be challenging?
or rather is it called pushing the buttons .......that so many believe God will
actually react to??????????
My suggestion is.......when and if you read the bible(for all) you read the part
where He says to pray for understanding of my words.............and through
the holy spirit you will gain the wisdom to do so.
I f you cannnot comprehend what I am saying........then pray..........
The door will not open ............unless you start knocking!
You had mentioned I made God out to be an angry God.......that is rather
manipulating don't ya think......as my different posts' were merely responding
to a previous post in regards to the issue.
If you care to pursue the issue of the love and mercy of God.........
Now that would be a boat ready to set sail........but to blaspheme and use
riducule such as socialist...what have you; you only will remain stagnant
in your quest for all that which has nothing to do with Jesus/God.
And if you do not understand what I am saying........I advise again pray for
understanding........before responding.......for your own sake.
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Posted: 11/8/2009 9:46:58 PM |
and yes it was because of the sins of man/woman that brought Gods'
hand of destruction on the world.
Noah's flood is proof that God is manevolent. No matter what a childs parent does, I would never drown the child as punishment for their parents doing. Noahs ark states just that. That God allowed infints to die by his hand. This is brutal and absurd. The story of noah's ark is so ridiculous that even a retarded tribesmen from Africa can figure out the holes in that story.
Two of every animal? How did they get kangeroos back to australia or pandas back to china? How did he prevent wolves from eating each other animals? To fit that many creatures on a single boat (over 1 billion different creatures), you would need a boat the size of tennessee.
Even him felt bad at what he did God claimed He would never flood the world again[
Unless it's new orleans.. right?
God is love
You call genocide love?
You had mentioned I made God out to be an angry God.......that is rather
manipulating don't ya think
He DID end up killing innocent women and children simply because a few people decided to be bad people...
If you care to pursue the issue of the love and mercy of God
God committed as much mercy as Pol Pot and Stalin did.
but to blaspheme and use riducule such as socialist...what have you;
Do you even know what socialism is? Socialism states to help the community rather then to focus on ones own selfish desires.
Jesus was all about giving to the poor what you do not need and that you can spare. This is the sole definition of socialism. You are saying that Jesus was anti-socialism which he was not. He promoted a socialistic ideology. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:16:50 PM | And if you do not understand what I am saying........I advise again pray for
understanding........before responding.......for your own sake.
Only thing I'ma gonna pray for is that self-proclaimed "eggsperts" on the bible quit going around imposing their view on others, especially in a case where they might be wrong about what He said. Now this here thread does ask about religion, but it does so with regard to the question of whether Jesus' behavior reflected a socialist theme, nothin' else.
On thread: folks are telling ya that their interpretations of the Bible support the thesis that God can be vengeful, which goes against the pacifist theme. Other folks say that there was a socialistic bent to his behavior. But they give example to address the question posted by OP.
Reckon why you find me "not a pleasant poster to talk to" is I got my own ideer on the Bible and what not, and I prefer to keep my beliefs to myself, my own ideas about religion, that is, where they belong, in my heart, stead of sproutin' off my beliefs on ever thread I can get mah hands on. Now I ain't sayin' that you can't pontifercate on the Bible and stuff, but do so in keepin' with the aim of the thread, stead a goin off on some other direction, which seems to be what ya do all the time.
Like I said before -- there's a great Kaplan course on "reading comprehension" which I would recommend.
Plus, I'm smart! Gradated from the fif grade! Only took me three times!! | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:22:29 PM | Justhavent...
Smarts N/A
maybe just your uneducated guess's????
Krebby...
Smarts PhD / Post Doctoral
I'm pretty sure he knows how to research a bit more than you do Justhaven't...
Now, can we stop this catholic on catholic hate crime? | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/8/2009 10:28:30 PM | Lets begin with a response to your first passage.lol
This is God's world......If any children died in that flood, it was because they
were following the instructions and example of their parents.
Everyone had the choice to get on that darn boat.
Same as now........Whatever parent or parents does not show an example
of morality and the love and words and teachings of Jesus to their children
they expose them to the same fate as 'noahs ark'
What do you what for your children.......?
Noah was mocked repeatedly for his teaching of God When Gods anger
against the sins of the people finally came .......they still not heed to his will
or his warning........any children .........sad..........the parents of those
children yes are to blame.......As they are today...........
Why should any child be denied to know the love and beauty of Jesus and
the Glory of his kingdom.......Jesus Loves the children.........he does not
infringe on man/womans free will...........the seed they plant within the
children they love so much........can only bloom with the right
amount of nourishment. What are you feeding your children??????
next.........orleans is not the whole world.
though the disasters' in the world at high levels ......today resemble
revelations alot don't they???
God gave so much to the people............What has the people given to God?????
what do people think .........their wrongs will go unnoticed?
Gods mercy is there for anyone who desires it........free will!!!!
Without God's Love so many are missing the boat........
To respond to your last statement.....
God is Love......
He welcomes all to his mercy..... | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:35:29 PM | Here is a question for you krebby why do you always feel anothers' view
is always being imposed on you???????
Your posts are rather juvenille to say the least........who are you trying to offend.
or do you often feel offended yourself??????
'people often attack what they fear'
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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:48:56 PM | were following the instructions and example of their parents.
So we should go around killing every child who resembles their parents simply because of bad upbringing? Or are you saying that it's ok for God to do this and he gets a free pass to genocide but pol pot and Stalin don't? And how about the babies who aren't even a year old?
Everyone had the choice to get on that darn boat.
The one year old babies didn't. They didn't even know how to spell boat.
Whatever parent or parents does not show an example
of morality and the love and words and teachings of Jesus to their children
they expose them to the same fate as 'noahs ark'
So what you're saying is that if I, being an atheist, do not show my children Christianity that they are better off dead? **** off and take your supposed "morality" with you.
the parents of thosechildren yes are to blame.......As they are today...........
So if your 9 year old child came to my house and stole something from me and I blow his head off with a 44, it's your fault hes dead? Wow your logic is beyond belief.
Why should any child be denied to know the love and beauty of Jesus and
the Glory of his kingdom
Why should any child be taught that if they do not accept this ideology and mythology they will be burned in hell for all eternity? I would think that purposefully striking fear into the hearts of your children would be child abuse.
You ma'am, abuse your children.. not physically, but mentally. The effects of abuse show for life. I hope you're proud.
he does not infringe on man/womans free will
And yet if someone is not a Christian, they are destined for hells fiery wrath, am I right? If I told you to have sex with Joe Blow or I would blow your head off with a 44, do you have much of a choice? Like-wise, if I told you to follow whatever I say to the letter or I would torture you for all of eternity, do you really have a choice? How free is your supposed, "Free will" ?? Sounds like he is all about infringing if you ask me.
next.........orleans is not the whole world.
It's impossible to flood the whole world. Not all plants can survive in an environment where they are under water. Infact, the majority of plant life would of gone extinct. All insects would of gone extinct. You do not realize how ridiculous the flood story is.
God gave so much to the people............What has the people given to God?????
It's immoral to give people the ability to think and then force them to bow to your will. It's egocentric and he's a megalomaniac.
their wrongs will go unnoticed?
Gods does. His wrongs are actually cherished..
Gods mercy is there for anyone who desires it........free will!!!!
Like I said, threats to extinguish a population for not worshiping you is not free will. It's the exact opposite of free will.
"Without God's Love so many are missing the boat........"
God isn't love though. God is hatred. He is jealous. He is egocentric. You don't worship him you will die. Who really thinks Stalin or Pol Pot are love? They both had the same line of thinking.
Your posts are rather juvenille to say the least........who are you trying to offend.
or do you often feel offended yourself??????
'people often attack what they fear'
You did call Krebby undeducated and were using ad'hominem attacks against him. Why shouldn't he feel offended? | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:01:52 PM | ok verzon wireless.
You can have all the education in the world ........but without God you will
never gain True knowledge!
catholic on catholic hate crime you say?
well what I say is............there is good and bad in all
walks of life. Anyone can say they are a catholic (christian)
I believe in God.......Does not mean they follow the word of God.....
True belief in God is seen in actions and words ..............
I rest my case!
If one feels threatened by anothers' belief to the point of resorting
to put downs .......maybe they need to take at look in a mirror
and begin to examine the insecurity and lack of confidence within themselves
that cause them to have the need to attempt to knock others???
Does it make them feel bigger for a moment. ? Do they shortly
thereafter
have to find another target or opening again .........for their
fix???????
well for the doc...lol Maybe its time to do an examination on yourself??????
Then maybe your examination of others' will be more
thorough!
ok verzon I just don't know how to respond to such a total
disposition of thought and words. 
ra ra hah ha ha ha ..............
and speaking of exams........good luck on that bar exam as your aim
is becoming a defense lawyer......
I thank God Today for chuckle over the doctor and lawyers
messages of such overwhelming wisdom.
'Its the end of the world as we know it'
But I feel fine.....
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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:11:44 PM | ok verzon wireless
You call other people childish and then you come out with this garble?
You can have all the education in the world ........but without God you will
never gain True knowledge!
The belief in God prevented scientific knowledge for 400 years. The church, in the past, has been very much anti-science.. Getting rid of the illuminati and demonizing them, imprisoning Galileo.. The inquisition for whoever opposed their views. They are the most brutish bunch of punk ass pricks i've ever met. The group, as a whole, have around 100,000 times more deaths under their belt than the KKK.
I rest my case!
And if you were infront of a judge, you would lose the case.
If one feels threatened by anothers' belief to the point of resorting
to put downs .......maybe they need to take at look in a mirror
and begin to examine the insecurity and lack of confidence within themselves
that cause them to have the need to attempt to knock others???
And yet it's perfectly fine for the CATHOLIC CHURCH to hold the SPANISH inquisition, am I right? I could care less about your beliefs. But when your beliefs begin to impose on me or others, I will fight back. Prop 8 was denied by mainly the mormon church, doesn't effect me, but it's imposing beliefs. Why? They are bigots. Thus, I will fight against the mormon church. Catholics? They led the crusades and killed hundreds of thousands of people. Why shouldn't I put them down? They are a blood-thirsty CULT. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:28:01 PM | You poor fellas  rivers' possibly floods?????? over the premeditated imposition
others' are soley targeting you for!
all I can say is read the part about the fool in the bible!!k?
and hek I will talk to the mormons along with my fello catholics
we'll meet you on the battlefield!
Go to bed already......... | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/8/2009 11:56:02 PM |
lol
This is a form of trying to win an argument through sarcasm and ridicule. It works on television, but few other places.
If any children died in that flood, it was because they
were following the instructions and example of their parents.
This is so so lame. So an 18 month old is somehow responsible for not following the example of their parents. Is this Alice In Wonderland (Dickens supposedly wrote his tome while on drugs).
Whatever parent or parents does not show an example
of morality and the love and words and teachings of Jesus to their children
they expose them to the same fate as 'noahs ark'
Well, I believe in the "example of morality and love part, but if those believes include, "do whatever I say or I'll kill you," you can chuck that in the crapper. I teach my daughter to love and respect others, not to listen to Pol Pot and report those who don't. (This one is probably going way over your head.) I know, I'm working with limited capacity here.
What are you feeding your children??????
Well, beyond nutritional food, my daughter is attending private school. I make sure that that school teaches respect for others' beliefs, and not believe in zealots who foolheartedly believe that they know everything there is to believe about Christianity. I also teach my child to respect the religion of others.
orleans is not the whole world.
It is to the people who live there
I could go on, but I tire of this trivial exercise in logic, or the lack thereof. I only remind you that I was on this thread to see how the initial question would be addressed, not to read the words of someone who is here for some, apparently, ulterior motives.
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/9/2009 12:10:56 AM |
Here is a question for you krebby why do you always feel anothers' view
is always being imposed on you???????
Because, as a viet nam vet, and as a peace officer, I swore to uphold the standards of the Constitution of the United States, which calls for freedom of religion and free speech. All you seem to care about is what you learned in one of them TV shows, or from one of them TV evangelists who make tons of money preying on people who don't know any better. Remind you of someone?
Your posts are rather juvenille to say the least........who are you trying to offend.
or do you often feel offended yourself??????
'people often attack what they fear'
Again, ridicule and sarcasm -- a poor man's means of argumentation.
Open the door to your single wide trailer. This is a new day and age. And respond to the thread, instead of proselytizing. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 3:32:53 AM | | We should've left New Orleans out of this. Anyway to get back on topic Jesus was about the individual giving no the state. Since Marxism denies God I think he'd be against it. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/9/2009 7:23:00 AM | Gadget - No. New Orleans was a PERFECT example of a 'loving god' drowning and killing innocent people simply because they 'sinned' ...
I wasn't the first to bring it up. The first was Fred Phelps. He stated that the people of New Orleans had sinned and cast down God's wrath upon the city and what happened is the result because of a gay parade that was about to be inacted and marti graw (sp?) had gone on too long as well..  | |
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