| Jesus was a theocrat
Posted: 5/9/2009 1:29:20 AM | he was a theocrat, government by his fathers ideas.
if jesus and his father built the universe, [some believe he did] he would have full knowledge of how atoms work and could scientifically alter them to walk on water, just a thought. ice? who knows. [he knew where the rocks were to step on] joke quote.
jesus told mostly simple stories for us to learn.
he taught for three short years. thats all that the religious leaders could handle. he had no mercy for them, and continually exposed their phony and pretentious lifes.
they couldnt properly argue with his simple truths so they convinced the athorities to kill him. it would probably happen in some way today too. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 5/10/2009 12:36:36 PM | There's a popular misconception that early Christianity was a unified group under the Church of Rome and the banner of Peter as "Pope Peter I". How do such misconceptions arise?
We can never know for sure, but we'll just have to do with the Church of Rome's centuries of persecution and extermination of heretics, massive and efficient book-burning campaigns and an active attempt to rewrite history.
In reality, there was a different version of Christianity available on every street corner through the first few centuries after the death of Jesus Christ....
from http://www.rotten.com/library/religion/gnosticism/ | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 5/10/2009 11:22:10 PM |
How do people jsutify the whole 'Christian right' Bible and a gun thing ,...." ?
It's not the keeping of the guns that worry me about the "christian right" philosophy. It's the thinking that violence is the first option that we should always exercise against "them", where "them" means the enemy -- whoever the authorities tell you to hate you should hate.
And hate they do. Today it's Muslims and Venezuelans. Yesterday, it was Jews, Blacks and the Japanese. A century ago, it was the Spanish and French. Whoever the preacher on the podium (or TV today) commands christians to hate with their self-proclaimed fatwas, they hate.
the only mainstream Pastor I know so far who doesn't preach hate is Joel Osteen. And he is disliked by certain areas of the christian establishment. They say he is too happy and positive.
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/26/2009 4:14:16 PM | SOCIALIST "Give to all those who beg from you", "If someone steals your coat give them your under-coat", "It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven"
Those are instructions to individuals, not some mandate to create a socialist government. I'm not an expert on Canada, but the USA is not a socialist country per se, however, private citizens give a lot of their money away to charity. Individual action is what counts, not coercion by some socialist state. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/26/2009 4:36:36 PM | Hey Central
You are right. Jesus didn't say to take someone elses money, or coat or undercoat and then determine who needs it and then give it to them after removing and keeping a sleeve for yourself................ No, Jesus didn't believe in the OPM philosophy of charity: Other Peoples Money.......
What he was espousing there was charity, and helping those who need it.
The "camel through a needles eye" is the most mis-understood verse in the bible. In those times, the "needles eye" was a small opening in the defensive wall that a camel could go through, but would have to do so crawling on its knees. This hole was small so attackers would have a hard time getting through.
Paul K | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/27/2009 7:57:36 AM | | Everything I understand about Jesus leads me to believe if he came back and sees what we have done with his name... he would cry at the mutation of his message. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/27/2009 9:04:54 AM | Jesus was a revolutionary.
Jesus was educated by Buddhists in the Nile Delta probably by the three wise men from North India.
Jesus was not a Jew but a Samaritan. Why would the Jewish Sadducees (Levites installed by Moses) accuse him of being mad and a Samaritan.
That is why Jesus said that "their father was a liar and murderer from the start and he was the father of lies". John 8 ie that Moses was a religio-genocidal maniac with a psychopathic disorder
Jesus did not die on a cross and get ressurrected but walked through Syria (he was a Aramaic speaker and so were the Syrians) Iraq were he met more Aramaic Samaritans (remember the Jews who were taken by Nebochnezer) and Iran and made his way to the Buddhist Aramaic strong hold around Srinigar in Kashmir North India.
Jesus (Yessa) the revolutionary died and is buried in a temple in Srinigar. You can visit this Islamic shrine any time.
Aramaic scripts from Srinigar/Ksshmir can be viewed in British Museum.
Buddha subduing Mara (desire) is always shown as Buddha standing upright with his left hand raised. The hand has a hole in it.
The wife of Jesus Mary Magdalene emigrated tot he Greek colony of Massala near Marseilles and brought up the child of Jesus.
That is why the Vatican wiped out the Knights Templar on Friday 13th October 1307 to stop the truth getting out.
But as you know we now have the internet and the joys of athiesm and freedom. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/27/2009 11:15:26 AM | Hey Enrique
So now Jesus mother was not Jewish? Jesus was not schooled in the temple, and called a "rabbi"?
You learn so much on the internet..................
Paul K | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/27/2009 4:18:41 PM | First the Majji were more then likely persian. More then likely Zorostrains. The discored between the those in Jersulem, and Semerians had to do with the political tensions, Israel vs. Juda.
Early Christain schools of thought
catholic (universial)
Arryains
Gnostics
Manicani .
Was Jesus a socialist? I don't think so. He was a pretty tough guy. He may have said love they neighbor but he whipped the money changers in the Temple.
I don't follow the Muslim view the Jesus did not die on the cross, and that he just died and was buried like all their prophets. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/27/2009 4:40:08 PM | Hey Gadget.....
If Jesus was crucified on a cross,, where is the cross???
Huh? Huh? Huh?
I just wanted to see what it was like to be a nut..............
Paul K | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/27/2009 5:15:56 PM | | To better understand what Jesus was trying to teach, I found the principles of Theosophy quite revealing. If we all are derived from one Great Consciousness in a state of unimaginable bliss and eventually hope to return there at death then it is quite important that we try to be helpful and considerate of other consciousnesses (people) during our lives here. Hindu people greet one another with a slight bow and the word 'Namaste' which means, the Divine in me honors the Divine in you. I think we should all say that. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/27/2009 5:44:45 PM | So Jesus was Hindu? I tried to find "one Great Consciousness" and "unimaginable bliss" in the King James Version, but it wasn't there........ Maybe in another version? Maybe I should have looked for "Namaste", or the "Divine in me honors the Divine in you".......................
All silliness aside, if I were to have to pick one word to describe Jesus's teachings, it would be common sense.......... Sorry, thats two words, but then again common sense is not so common today.
Paul K | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/27/2009 6:05:28 PM | Paul as to your question on the "true cross" Well it depends on if you beleive Consintine, and his mother Sophia. His mother suppossedly found the true cross some time in the 4 century A.D. Part of which is kept at the Vatician, in a spear. That however is an article a faith.
As to the other quote you will find the in the Gnostic Gospels in the Approcarical Gospels. You know the books that rejected from the Cannon of the Bible. They were rejected because they couldn't be verified as Apostolic, or they were Hereitical. The Gnositics beleived you could become like Jesus, provided you could decipher the secret knowlege in there writing of his teachings. Durring the Council of Niecia, this school of thought as well as the others that I had mentioned earlier were found to be Heretical. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/27/2009 7:34:56 PM | | hi.. I agree with you Light Storm only I say when Jesus comes back not ~if~.... Jesus is The Son of God, a Mirror Image of His Father in Heaven, not of his father/mother on earth.... there are many people who understand Jesus, His Mission and His Character and they pray without ceasing for a Christlike Character ... Jesus is coming for His Remnant and the bible says that The Remnant are people who are an Exact Piece of The Original Cloth so some people actually do get it and Honor Jesus for Who He Is....blessings | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/27/2009 7:57:29 PM |
hi.. I agree with you Light Storm...
... first time for everything :)
...only I say when Jesus comes back not ~if~.... Jesus is The Son of God, a Mirror Image of His Father in Heaven, not of his father/mother on earth.... there are many people who understand Jesus, His Mission and His Character and they pray without ceasing for a Christlike Character ... Jesus is coming for His Remnant and the bible says that The Remnant are people who are an Exact Piece of The Original Cloth so some people actually do get it and Honor Jesus for Who He Is....blessings
Here is a valuable tip... don't believe everything read, especially the information about what happened after Jesus died. I imagine some of Jesus followers where so depressed about their loss in his death, that they made that crap up just to prove with lies that he was the son of God. But the message that Jesus was screaming on depth ears was that he was not a king, he was not a leader, and he was certainly not the right hand of one omniscient being that will rain down judgment. Jesus message was clear as day... He was but a child of God, and his message was that we are ALL children of God. He didn't think of himself as anyone special, just someone with a message for the world around him. On more than one occasion he asked people not to boast about what he had done... yet no one listened. On more than one occasion, he had to run away from the crowds as they where ready to to throw a kings chair under his ass.
He taught by example... a way of life for people to get along with one another regardless if they where a servant or extremely well off. He even said that those that could understand him would not taste death... yet no one understands him. But my opinion is, he was just a man with a message, not your lord and savior. To worship him as such goes against the message he was so desperately trying to tell you. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/27/2009 8:38:03 PM | | hi...^^^^^ after reading the bible for 30 yrs now, studying it with prayer and sincerity I would have to say that I am not getting what you are getting from it... Jesus most certainly expressed His Position, saying many times in many ways that He was Water, Air, Food and Blood... that He Is Life to us... God is Life to us too... anyway, at least we will always have Paris.... blessings | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/27/2009 10:21:52 PM | | ^^^^^ who???... it all depends on who you ask... blessings | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/28/2009 11:26:14 AM | Speaking of the baby in all this bathwater ... Isaiah 9:6 calls Jesus, "the mighty God, the everlasting Father, and the prince of peace". As God, all things were made by Him (John 1), including the entire universe, including time itself. No man-made label can contain Him, for He contains all things within Himself. We can't take a drop of water from the ocean and seriously say, "the ocean IS this drop of water".
For every action or statement of Jesus that speak of social compassion, there are an equal number that speak of individual responsibility and accountability. It always depends on the context of the circumstances at hand. Being a Christian is like driving a car, there is a time to turn left and a time to turn right. You need His spirit to say when (For receiving the Spirit, see Acts chapters 2,10, & 19). | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/28/2009 2:26:35 PM | Socialist 
whats next evolution?
Someone must have shaken the branches – never get those chimps back up there again, quick throw a banana. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/29/2009 1:49:03 PM | | Have heard from Muslims that peeps/governments have twisted the true message of the Koran (which admittedly, I confess I haven't read, so this is hearsay, but...) Me thinks religious manifestos get twisted for whatever political agendas | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/29/2009 3:52:47 PM | Wiyan, Islam was acutally founded during a time of War between two regional powers. So the political agenda agrument could be made. However this would take the thread way off topic, if your interested send me an email and I will explain it to you in detail. As to the first part of your statement, that is correct that is why Jews and Christians are people of the book. The Jewish prophets, and Jesus are prophets, are in Islam.
To take it topic some in the Messianic movement thought that Jesus was going to lead a violent revolt (Zelots) against the Romans, therefore not a very socialist move. The Isscarians were even more radical. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/29/2009 4:12:00 PM | Here is a little known fact, or at least one that almost nobody wants to admit.......
The Jews and the Arabs can both trace their roots back to the SAME MAN. They had different mothers, but both had the same father. That means that one of the most rabid hatreds between groups is actually all in the family.
FYI...........
Paul K | |
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