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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/29/2009 4:21:02 PM | | Ah the old Ishmial and Issac argument. The Qu'ran picks up the story of Hagar and Ishmial, and it is a spot of pilgramage durring the Hajj (trip to Mecca). This is why Abraham is the father of all three Monothesitic religions. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 4:39:50 PM | I didn't post it for any other purpose than the information contained therein. It is a hoot to lay that on someone at a party, see them go apoplectic, and then finally realize that they really did have the same father.
I always follow it up, especially if there are both jews and muslims within earshot, with asking them how do you think that since your father, Abraham, who is in heaven, and sees his kids squabbling as they do now, feel as they kill each other? Lots of quiet ensues........
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Posted: 10/29/2009 6:13:54 PM | Yeah Doc, thanks for the offer, not to single out any particular of the world religions, my point was that they all have an 'us vs them' mentality and have fought wars (often politically motivated), whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim Hindu Buddhist, Sikh, Zoroastrian, Druidic and any other religion I have left out. Ironically, they all think they are better than the members of the other religion, which is both insane and inhumane. People are people, regardless of their religious doctrines. The world is getting smaller, and we should all be aspiring to understand each other better, so we CAN get along | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 6:18:49 PM | | Yeah Doc, thanks for the offer, not to single out any particular of the world religions, my point was that they all have an 'us vs them' mentality and have fought wars (often politically motivated), whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim Hindu Buddhist, Sikh, Zoroastrian, Druidic and any other religion I have left out. Ironically, they all think they are better than the members of the other religion, which is both insane and inhumane. People are people, regardless of their religious doctrines. The world is getting smaller, and we should all be aspiring to understand each other better, so we CAN get along | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 6:29:57 PM | ^^^Agreeed. I wasn't picking on the Muslims either. Though not a Muslim I am fascinated by Islam. We can could add the Daoists, the Shintoists, Bi'hai and many other religions to your list. Have you ever read Terror in the Mind of God by Juergensmeyer?
Paul have you ever thought this is why the Egyptians were the first to make peace with the Israeli's? | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 7:47:10 PM | I think that the point is being missed here and a little unintentional distortion is being applied.
Without dwelling too deep into history we can look at our most recent. Atheism in the form of communism has been one of the most brutal and inhumane doctrines in our most recent past, we still have remnants of it today, well look at Hitler too a form of a new age doctrine.
Better than the other lies in the lumping of religions also as some have done, it is a form of “them” and “us”. On this forum we also see the them and us wars between the male and female.
So what is the answer – in my humble opinion anyway – it is not the religion, the doctrine, the Christian the Muslim it is our lack of understanding and seeing ourselves different hence judgemental of the other as we have seen expressed on this thread. What we need to do is accept the differences then and only then will we have peace where it matters, within, which then can be expressed further.
It’s a little like it’s not the gun that kills but the person behind the gun, yes some might say take the gun away and he will not be able to kill – well the argument is flawed, if he has no gun he will grab a stick or a stone, take those away he will use his fists, the answer lies in the “him” the “us” not the gun, not the religion not even in the “atheist” but in the man. Once you started labelling the “them” you become a part of the “them”.
And no Jesus was not a socialist but Buddha on the outside appeared as an atheist, but that was just on the outside. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 8:09:49 PM | same old , same old .[ IMHO]
Jesus is a story from another time and place
written by men
many years after the supposed facts
in ancient languages and times that we do not understand very well
we can try to empathize but it is only trying
not factual
the languages and hearsay stories were translated
then translated again
some seem to mirror or are implied by other ancient stories in other cultures
some places and events in the background of the stories are real
like a docudrama will use real events
the birth and death records do not exist
the name is most likely ficticious to protect the famalies from persicution
love thy neighbour is not socialism
do unto others as you would have done to you is not socialism
those are the two main messages of the story of Jesus
all else is unimportant
finding your way to heaven is a golden carrot for the uninspired and scared
going to hell is old testiment and basicly extortion
formalized churches are against the supposed messages Jesus professed
he did not preach organized religion and paying hommage to his name
all who do so ... did not get the message. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 6:37:12 AM | Paul K
If Jesus is the result of an immaculate conception then Joseph who was allegedly his father was NOT his father. Therfore Jesus could not be Jewish.
If Jesus was the result of a normal human copulation then he may be Jewish but a human being.
However the Sadduccees accuse him of being a Samaritan but mad.
I think the term rabbi means just a teacher but it may imply Jesus was married.
So who was his wife?
The story goes he went to Egypt as a child and presumably stayed there until he was educated by the Buddhists from the East probably near the Library of Alexandria. Where else would a man seeking education go.
So in what Temple was he educated.
Do you know there was another Semetic Temple in the Nile Delta which was not in Jerusalem. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 7:43:48 AM | Paul K
The Samaritans (Hebrew: שומרונים Shomronim, Arabic: السامريون as-Saamariyun) are an ethnoreligious group of the Levant. Religiously, they are the adherents to Samaritanism, a parallel but separate religion to Judaism or any of its historical forms. Based on the Samaritan Torah,
Samaritans claim their worship is the true religion of the ancient Israelites prior to the Babylonian Exile, preserved by those who remained in the Land of Israel, as opposed to Judaism, which they assert is a related but altered and amended religion brought back by the exiled returnees.
Ancestrally, they claim descent from a group of Israelite inhabitants who have connections to ancient Samaria from the beginning of the Babylonian Exile up to the beginning of the Common Era. The Samaritans, however, derive their name not from this geographical designation, but rather from the Hebrew term שַמֶרִים, "Keepers [of the Law]".[2]
In the Talmud, a central post-exilic religious text of Judaism, their claim of ancestral origin is disputed, and in those texts they are called Cutheans (Hebrew: כותים, Kuthim), allegedly from the ancient city of Cuthah (Kutha), geographically located in what is today Iraq. Modern genetics has suggested some truth to both the claims of the Samaritans and Jewish accounts in the Talmud.[3]
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Posted: 10/30/2009 9:16:39 AM | Actually Jesus told Pontius Pilate his Kingdom was not of this world.
Therefore the idea that Jesus favored one political system over another is not relevant. Not only that but the 'organizational' aspect of social relations is one which Christ suggested came from within each person's heart. The implication is that IF one has a Pure Heart, AND social relations are necessary THEN the outcome is going to be a Just Society.
To define a Just Society one needs to determine what the elements are for the attainment of Spiritual growth for each of its members. In 1 Corinthians 12 the analogy of the body is used (in fact the Body of Christ is a term used for the collection of ALL believers). In this passage it cites a variety of God Given Gifts which find their use when put to the service of the community - for their edification. My gifts are not to be used selfishly nor to be squandered foolishly. Reason, coupled with wisdom makes that possible. Reason is the ability to anticipate the outcome of an action and wisdom is a Gift from God (unattainable by the human mind independent of God).
There is a document that was written in 1881 under the direction of Pope Leo XIII called "Rerum Novarum". It is considered the foundational document for social justice. In it Communism is rejected for a variety of reasons (too long to get into on this post) as is 'unbridled' Capitalism (which has shown itself recently in the collapse of the Banking system). It is worthy of note that the document which took years of scholarly research to prepare explains the failings of Communism a full twenty years or more before the actual existence of a Communist state in Russia.
Jesus was NOT a Communist - He was a Theist.
PS: The wars that were fought while flying the banners of different religions were not about the religions themselves (although religion was used as a rallying tool). The wars were fought over resources, power, money and control of pathways that would lead to trade and commerce. The religious aspect, used as an undercurrent for conflicts, as in Northern Ireland was about opportunities for upward mobility. The Protestants controlled industry and the Catholics were relegated as second class citizens in their own country. It is the same in Canada with the French Canadians and it is the same in South Africans with the Blacks. The religious differences act as a dividing line in some cases for disenfranchizing another group until the frustration builds up to violence as in the case with Palestine.
George Bush's Christian rhetoric was a mechanism to support an illegal and immoral war for the plunder of oil. It had nothing to do with Muslim/Christian relations and the 'terrorists' are not attacking the religion of their opponents they are attacking the imperialism and economic subjegation of their peoples by American Corporate greed.
Anyways if justice prevailed - peace would follow. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 10:52:11 AM | Hey Enrique
You have some very...... interesting ideas. If you really knew as much about jews and jesus as you seem to, you would know that in order to claim to be a jew, you had to have a JEWISH mother, which Jesus did.
Please show me in the Bible where it says Jesus was educated by buddhists....... As far as where Jesus was educated, it was at the Beth Shollom Temple, over on Palm Blvd, right next to Benjies Bagel and Hallvah Wholesale Outlet.........................
Rabbi has NOTHING to do with married status............................. It means TEACHER.
Hey gadge,
The reason theEgyptians stopped the fight, and I am assuming that you meant when Isreal took the Sinai Penninsula, is because they were tired of getting their a$$es kicked..... That particular war was rather one sided, even though Isreal was very much a smaller entity.
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Posted: 10/30/2009 6:09:43 PM | | hi... I believe that if every person who confessed to believe in God and Christ would just pray and open Gods Word in sincerity there would be much less confusion in the Christian world... I think now is the time to take matters into our own hands rather than the hands of men, no matter how well meaning these leaders are... it is a bold thing to forget what we know up until this point but I think this will be the only way to set aside the traditions and religions of men... if we go just with our bible and Gods Spirit there will be nothing to get in our way of knowing God, His Laws, His Plan for us and His Son... I even think that people who struggle with Christ for now could just go to the OT and it would be invaluable to them... do we Christians really want to know Truth or are we too set in our ways to find and admit that perhaps we were lead astray at times... Gods Word says that God will be calling His People out of babylon (false worship) and what better way than to have His People go back to His Word ... as I read the many posts I can see where a person was influenced by this writer or that sect but I can not help but wonder why people would study on God or Christ but not include the bible as their first book of study... maybe people feel they have, I would just say go again in 2009 and see what happens... I see a lot of errors/differences in the Christian world so maybe we need to go back to the basics to really know Who God and Jesus Are...... blessings for Truth | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 2:56:47 AM | His Plan for us and His Son
I'm confused by your editorial...Why drag George Herbert Walker Bush into this?... | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/31/2009 5:20:14 AM | No one seems to know for sure what happened in the 30 missing years of the life of the Jesus character. There is speculation that he spent time with the 3 wise men of the East and thus could have had Buddhist instruction among others.
Christopher Moore's "Lamb, The Gospel of Christ according to Biff, His childhood friend", playfully takes us through those missing years, explores the love triangle between Jesus, Biff and Mary M, and discusses his training in the art of self defense, Jew-do.
If Jesus was not a socialist, why would Schlaughly at Conserapedia have to feel compelled to re-write the Bible for his fanatics? | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/31/2009 8:45:29 AM | Jesus said what goverment he believed in.
A monarchy run by a supreme ruler.
It works because the ruler is omnipitent. | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 11:13:46 AM | One of the few things he ever said about government was when asked about taxes. to paraphrase it, it was something like this........ Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar, render unto God what is Gods.
Simple, respect the govt. where you live. I am certain that ther are exceptions to the rule, as there always are.
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/31/2009 11:19:03 AM |
No one seems to know for sure what happened in the 30 missing years of the life of the Jesus character.
He didn't have a child hood. He was a very very old cave man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_from_Earth
The discussion takes a turn into the biological and physical condition of John and the topic of death. John mentions that he is not a follower of a particular religion, and he doesn't believe in an omnipotent God. John then reveals that he was Jesus, which leaves his audience aghast and angry. | |
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Posted: 10/31/2009 3:38:37 PM | | hi.. isadime, can you not use your intelligence for something productive instead of always something abusive... this is a forum where we can express our views about various issues, it is really immature to use it to attack a posters character/intelligence ... grow a bit up isadime and let people have some fun and some depth without being constantly victimized by you, the forum bully... you have always bragged about being so ultra intelligent next to the rest of us but honestly you are putting your brain cells to waste...blessings | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/31/2009 5:25:58 PM | Paul K
This is what Christians allegedly BELIEVE
A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham:
2Abraham was the father of Isaac,
Isaac the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,
3Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,
Perez the father of Hezron,
Hezron the father of Ram,
4Ram the father of Amminadab,
Amminadab the father of Nahshon,
Nahshon the father of Salmon,
5Salmon the father of Boaz,
Boaz the father of Obed,
Obed the father of Jesse,
6and Jesse the father of King David.
David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife,
7Solomon the father of Rehoboam,
Rehoboam the father of Abijah,
Abijah the father of Asa,
8Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,
Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,
Jehoram the father of Uzziah,
9Uzziah the father of Jotham,
Jotham the father of Ahaz,
Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,
10Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,
Manasseh the father of Amon,
Amon the father of Josiah,
11and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[a] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.
12After the exile to Babylon:
Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,
Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
13Zerubbabel the father of Abiud,
Abiud the father of Eliakim,
Eliakim the father of Azor,
14Azor the father of Zadok,
Zadok the father of Akim,
Akim the father of Eliud,
15Eliud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
16and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
17Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Christ.[b
From Book of Mathew Chapter 1
You will see that there is no mention of a female until the mention of Joseph the husband of Mary.
Apparently Jesus is special because of his Male line of descent.
You say Jews need a Jewish mother that may be so but the Sadduces (Levites) accuse Jesus of being a Samaritan ie NOT a Jew like they were.
However if Jesus is the product of an immaculate conception then Joseph is not his father. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 10/31/2009 7:49:18 PM | hi.. you are incorrect
GENEAOLOGY
Mary was a direct descendant of King David which gave Jesus the right to ascend the Jewish throne, both through Mary and through adoption by his foster father, Joseph. Mary’s genealogy is supplied in Luke 3:23-38 . Dr. Henry Morris explains the genealogy in Luke:
“Joseph was clearly the son of Jacob (Matthew 1:16, so this verse [Luke 3:23 - says “son of Heli”] should be understood to mean “son-in-law of Heli.” Thus, the genealogy of Christ in Luke is actually the genealogy of Mary, while Matthew gives that of Joseph. Actually, the word “son” is not in the original, so it would be legitimate to supply either “son” or “son-in-law” in this context. Since Matthew and Luke clearly record much common material, it is certain that neither one could unknowingly incorporate such a flagrant apparent mistake as the wrong genealogy in his record. As it is, however, the two genealogies show that both parents were descendants of David—Joseph through Solomon (Matthew 1:7-15), thus inheriting the legal right to the throne of David, and Mary through Nathan (Luke 3:23-31), her line thus carrying the seed of David, since Solomon’s line had been refused the throne because of Jechoniah’s sin” [Dr. Henry M. Morris, The Defender’s Study Bible, note for Luke 3:23 (Iowa Falls, Iowa: World Publishing, Inc., 1995).]. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/1/2009 1:26:41 AM |
It works because the ruler is omnipitent
Erectile dysfunction is not a joke... (OK... We can laugh about it later.)...
But it has to be much later...
Correct spelling is a requisite for those who choose to ride this bus...
I believe this is your stop.... | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/1/2009 6:49:42 AM | | Socialism denies God. As to the missing yrs read the gospel of Thomas. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2009 12:52:56 PM | ^^^^ false ^^^^
definition of socialism says nothing at all about god [for or against]
Socialism:
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
your thinking of Marxism or Communism which essentially is athiest but doesn't necessarily need to be. | |
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