| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/1/2009 4:00:33 PM | ^^^I have to disagree with you. Marx himself was very anti-religious. Outside of his famous quote of "Religion being the opium of the Masses" Manfiesto. He also states the State and Religon are incompatible. That is a paraphrase of course. Chapter 1 Commodities. In my copy pp. 35-36.
But they are founded either on the immature development of man individually, who has not yet severed the umbilical core the unites him with his fellow man in a primitive tribal community, or upon direct relations of subjecation....
...Nature and in other elementsof the popular religions....
... formulae, which bear stamped upon them in unmistakable letters that they belong to a state of society in which the process of producion has the mstery over man, instead of being controlled by him, such fromulae appear to the boureois intellect to as much a self-evident necessity imposed ny nature as productive labour itsel. Hence, form of social production that preceded the bourgeois form are treated by the bourgeoisie in much the same way the Fathers of the Church treated pre-Christian religions....Nature has no more to do with it than it has in fixig the course or exchange.
Das Kapital Karl Marx Chapter one Section one
You cannot have Socialism without Marxism. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/2/2009 9:17:11 AM | Monalee.
Let me get this straight.
Jaweh constructed the universe from absilutely nothing by saying "let there be light"
lets say with in a few fractions of a seconds vast quantities of photons and mass were created and within minutes vast quantities of mass were being hurled out across and empty void to create stars galaxies and gas clouds which we can still see today. Praise him.
Billions of years later according to Jawehs scientific evidence the planets are orbiting round our Sun and life has not only appeared on earth but it has obviously evolved just the way Jaweh wanted it. Praise be to him
You are saying that Jaweh who constructed all this wonder left His religion, about his Son, in the hands of Mathew to record for posterity, actually who Jesus actually was.
Then you are saying that Mathew actually got it wrong within about 100 words into the most Important and revered Book ever?
Then you are saying that Luke actually meant to record the genealogy of a son in law of Heli who we have never heard of?
Then you are implying that the Sadducees (Levites) put there by Jaweh himself actually got it totally wrong when they accused Jesus of being a Samaritan (and mad).
Are you suggesting that they didnt actually say this or that John didnt actually record the facts correctly either.
Which of Mathew, Luke and John can now be relied on as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God.
By the way I beleive Jesus the Samaritan would turn in his grave in Srinigar if he knew what way his teachings were now being ignored.
I wonder what he would think of the possibility of Pakistani-India Nuclear holocaust being fought where he is buried in Srinigar Kashmir or the possibility of USA overunning Pakistan Kashmir in the near future as the Afghan war escalates and the Taleban move East from Swat Valley into Kashmir.
Rest in peace Jesus the Egyptian educated Buddhist Samaritan teacher. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/2/2009 11:02:08 AM | Hey...........
Enrique. You would do better if you didn't tell other religions what they believe, or better yet, if you did tell them, at least you told them the correct thing.... Mona is right on this one, and I stand by my statement that according to jewish tradition, one is a jew if born of a jewish mother.
Thorb........ now how can you say that athieism is not part of socialism when socialism, according to YOUR definition, is one of the steping stones to true communism. Do you know what true communism, and how it is theoretically achieved is in the first place?
Saying that socialsim and marxism is essentially athiest is sort of like saying that water is essentially wet................. Communism as described by its main founder, carl marx, is ATHIEST. It can be no other.
At least you are right about Jesus not being a socialist.
Paul K | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 3:39:57 PM | You cannot have Socialism without Marxism.
not true.
you can have many degrees of socialism before you become Marxist.
it is proven across Europe. .... Just like liberals are not Communists .... that's more FOX News B.S. .... Repuklican propaganda
The dictionary meaning is good enough for me ...
all else try to argue their case in a doctorate disseration but it won't be worth anything until it is published in 3 pier journals | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/2/2009 3:51:41 PM | ^^^^^^^^
Jeeezz......... socialism is one of the steps towards true communism....... and, THAT comes from Marx.
So how then is socialism not of Marxism?
Paul K
Please show me just ONE time Fox news ever said that liberals were communists.......
PLEASE, JUST ON FREAKING TIME......... JUST ONE. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 3:52:25 PM | so using your logic ... since being jewish was a stepping stone to Christianity ... then all Jews are Christian.
but wait ... being pagan was a stepping stone to being Jewish so all Pagans are Christian.
now since all drug adicts drank milk as babies .... then milk leads to drug addiction.
your logic ... Paul .... is wrong ... just like your arguments.
Communism is not what Socialism leads to ... only puppits of talk radio think that.
too bad there are so many of them spouting that philosophy from the Republican side of your fences. .. calling Liberals and Socialists ... Communists .... its just plain stupid.
Shows a total lack of understanding and makes anything else you may say hard to give any creedance to.
And if you seriously want to see how FOX news is propagand B.S. then watch Jon Stewart's Daily Show | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 4:02:57 PM | Hey thorb
You really should read a little slower......... I said that socialism is one of STEPS towards true communism, NOT that it leads to communism......... HUGE difference. Please tell me if you can't differentiate between the two, and I will drop it.
You do know that communism is the end prduct of a series of steps, don't you? Let me help get you started............ dictatorship of the proletariat.......... Sound familiar?
Here's one I'm sure you've heard.........
WORKERS OF THE WORLD...... UNITE!!!
Paul K | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 4:06:44 PM | well good ... now realize then that communist athiesm does not make socialism athiest.
marx being athiest does not make socialism athiest .... therefor socialism does not deny god.
now we are back to the original point. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/2/2009 4:13:41 PM | ^^^^^^^^
Jeeezz......... socialism is one of the steps towards true communism....... and, THAT comes from Marx.
So how then is socialism not of Marxism?
Paul K
Please show me just ONE time Fox news ever said that liberals were communists.......
PLEASE, JUST ON FREAKING TIME......... JUST ONE!!
Here is just a couple Paul...there are thousands more no doubt, since Fox and the far right have been setting their clocks back 400 years for the last decade or so. To most on the far right, anyone left of Raygun is interchangeably Libreral, Librul, Commie, socialist, marxist, bla..bla..bla. all the time on Faux Newz. The far right is now eating it's own, moving back to the day when Goldwater would not even fit into the extremists of the party today.
http://clips.mediamatters.org/mmtv/200909090008
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5264603 | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/2/2009 4:14:00 PM | ^^^^^^
Only if Jesus was a socialist, which he wasn't. That conclusion comes from reading what he was purported to have said, and only that. Knowing that all of that has to be taken with FAITH, and belief, then what we really have here is nothing less than Mental Ma$turbation................
Paul K | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 3:22:49 AM | Again Thorb I disagree with you to this point. What makes Marxism so dangerous, is that it masks itself in Judo/Christian Charity. We could talk about the finer defintions of Marxism, Lenenism, Troytskisim...etc. But the fundimental point is that Christianity and Marxism is incompatiable.
I've seen this in Liberation Theology in South America. This is where Communists try to convince the locals, that it more Christian to go to Marxist thought. In fact it just leads to more pain and suffering of those around them.
I can find some evidence in some peer reviewed journals on Liberation Theology and how it is counter-intuitve to Christian thought. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 10:16:51 AM | Hey puppy
you wrote:
"So how then is socialism not of Marxism?"
What does "not of" mean? Are you asking if socialism is not part of marxism? Are you asking if socialism is born of marxism? Are you asking...............????
As far as what those on the "far right" believe, you would do well to re-educate yourself with what the "far right winger" of today believes, as you have really been stuck in the groove yard of oldies........ Raygun???? I haven't heard that one since some pot smoking hippie said it in the early '70's, or was it late '60's? Besides, everybody knows it is NOT Raygun, it is RONALDUS MAGNUS................ AND, what exactly is it about Ronaldus Magnus that so pisses off liberals and the far left? That he cleaned up after that incompetent peanut picker carter, and gave us back our national pride? I KNOW, Because Ronaldus Magnus freed AMERICAN students in Grenada..................
Sorry, wandered off topic....... I will go and let my GF spank me...... This may take an hour or so, you will wait, won't you??
Paul K | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/3/2009 6:44:05 PM | "Monalee.
Let me get this straight."
.. if you really want to get it Straight may I suggest that you get a King James Bible, English version if you prefer and pray sincerely for Gods Spirit to Teach you in All Truth.. I am just saying, that is what I did... blessings | |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 11:59:36 PM | It sounds like you would better equipped to post on such
a topic as 'Jesus' If you actually had read the bible!
If you don't know what you are talking about..
and can't quite get your 'paraphrases' accurate? 
Then do proper research of the bible so as you may
quote his words accurately.
Jesus was perfect in all and every way....He was love, kindess,
mercy, forgiveness.....Lest we forget He is the beginning and
the end.....so don't ever assume he is a pushover. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/4/2009 1:39:20 AM | Jesus was perfect in all and every way....He was love, kindess,
mercy, forgiveness...
Then why did he kill the olive tree instead of "healing it"? I don't believe Jesus existed, but be that as it may, at least if he did, he had sense enough to beat up on the moneylenders. It seems whether or not he was a socialist, he was definitely anti-capitalist!... Bless him.  | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 2:17:04 AM | this is too funny
enriquecalor; you say with a little sarcasm -
Let me get this straight.
Jaweh constructed the universe from absilutely nothing by saying "let there be light"
lets say with in a few fractions of a seconds vast quantities of photons and mass were created and within minutes vast quantities of mass were being hurled out across and empty void to create stars galaxies and gas clouds which we can still see today. Praise him.
etc etc etc.
Hmmm I can see your point - it's a bit like a little shot of sperm which may have taken only a few seconds, and BOOM enriquecalor was born. Nah, that couldnt be that's too simple, enriquecalor is just a figment of someones imagination, he's not really there.
science - science has to really come up with a better explanation than Darwins theory of evolution and the "missing link", now if we can only find the missing link Hmmmm.....or the BIG BANG theory, there was this big bang and everthing was created....dono evertime I witnessed a BIG BANG there was nothing created, rather everything that was there was GONE!! and Ive seen a lot of big bangs. Oh yes what have we got now...the "creative / intelligent design" theory, yep that must be it theres got to be some intelligence involved......so where does the intelligence come from???
science is making a monkey out of it self and feeding us bananas with all these theories.
just a thought. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/4/2009 3:12:28 AM | | Sure. Jesus was a socialist, and he was also good in online dating! Amen. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 9:34:59 AM | Socialism being a part of Marxism ... does not make Socialism the same as Marxism or Communism or Trotskiism or any other b.s. you are trying to make it.
re read the dictionary meaning and ... realize that being a stepping stone does not make you the end result .... or life is death ... and milk makes you a drug addict.
I refuse to argue such a rediculous misunderstanding of what Socialism is.
Sweeden does not deny god .... its that simple ... Sweeden is admitidly Socialistic.
And its hard for someone that probably didn't exist to be a Socialist though as Ducky said he obviously was not a Capitolist and was credited with preaching ideas that lead to social welfare and fair trade but never said everyone should earn the same wage for work done. Just that they should share what they earn with their neighbours.
Not that the state should force the issues.
He was credited with not being a fan of big government or big churches. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/4/2009 10:27:32 AM | | And Jesus also said about the spiritual path, "many are called, but few are chosen." So I don't know who all these people are parading around as Christians, but they're not Christians. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/4/2009 1:29:21 PM | Turning over the tables on sabbath day....is hardly called beating up.
He could of just did nothing and let all the sinners
go to hell!
Now theres a thought for y'all to ponder!
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/4/2009 1:36:47 PM | | Saying socialism is evil, is kind of like saying capitalism is evil because it supports being greedy, and money is the root of ALL EVIL! | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 1:48:13 PM | hey kitten though money can be the root of all evil.......of course.......it is what is
done with money that draws the root to all evil or not!
Jesus is our saviour he fits into no blasphemy or ridicule that any
man/woman ; places on him.
He is Far above and beyond such offense.
Though those who carry on in their hateful disbelief-
are Not!
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Posted: 11/4/2009 6:49:21 PM | Lucifer had said, "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; . . . I will be like the Most High." Isa. 14:13, 14. But Christ, "being in the form of God, counted it not a thing to be grasped to be on an equality with God, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men." Phil. 2:6, 7
This was a voluntary sacrifice. Jesus might have remained at the Father's side. He might have retained the glory of heaven, and the homage of the angels. But He chose to give back the scepter into the Father's hands, and to step down from the throne of the universe, that He might bring light to the benighted, and life to the perishing.
Nearly two thousand years ago, a voice of mysterious import was heard in heaven, from the throne of God, "Lo, I come." "Sacrifice and offering Thou wouldest not, but a body hast Thou prepared Me. . . . Lo, I come (in the volume of the Book it is written of Me,) to do Thy will, O God." Heb. 10:5-7. In these words is announced the fulfillment of the purpose that had been hidden from eternal ages. Christ was about to visit our world, and to become incarnate. He says, "A body hast Thou prepared Me." Had He appeared with the glory that was His with the Father before the world was, we could not have endured the light of His presence. That we might behold it and not be destroyed, the manifestation of His glory was shrouded. His divinity was veiled with humanity,--the invisible glory in the visible human form....This is Jesus... The Desire of Ages by Ellen G White | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 7:03:40 PM | ^^^^^^^^
You wrote:
"Nearly two thousand years ago, a voice of mysterious import was heard in heaven, from the throne of God, "Lo, I come."
See, I KNEW that Jesus wasn't celibate...........
Paul K
Relax, Mona, God has a great sense of humor............. looked around lately? | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/4/2009 7:23:09 PM | Jesus in Mark, did more then just over turn tables. He overturned the tables, kicked out the seats of the of the people selling doves, and did not let them take any thing with them. Mk 11 15-17.
I brought up various forms of Marxist thought to demonstrate that Socialism is just a variance of Marxist thought. We both know that Boleshivism and Maoist thought are not the same, but they have the same genesis. The fact that Karl Marx was an atheist and that feeling is clear in his writing influences all of Marxist (Socialist) thought. Meaning that one should rely of the State for there is no great power, then that of the nation. | |
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