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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/4/2009 7:25:46 PM | @ Gadge
Don't forget, the Dalai Lama considers himself a Marxist too. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/4/2009 7:40:31 PM | | Personally I don't see what the attraction is to the Dalai Lama. If you think about it though Buddihism is more about self-awarness, and the end of suffering. So it would make sense to me that he could be a Marxist. But, then again how much of a Marxist is he, if he doesn't like the Maoists? Afterall, the end result of Marxist theory is Communism. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/4/2009 7:55:19 PM | Hey Gadget
I KNOW you wrote the following to get a rise out of me:
"If you think about it though Buddihism is more about self-awarness, and the end of suffering. So it would make sense to me that he could be a Marxist."
marxism is about the end of suffering? marxism's end result is true communism, where all are equal, where nobody is better or worse than anybody, something that you consider the end of suffering? Lets not even start with that all that the march to communism has given us is the most bloody path ever taken by humans...................
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/4/2009 8:18:36 PM |
Buddihism is more about self-awarness, and the end of suffering
Buddhism is about the extinction of desire, because desire is suffering. Nirvana leaves one a communist because one loses the distinction between self and other...we are all the same entity. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 3:23:24 AM | ^^^^^^^^
Buddhism is about the extinction of desire, because desire is suffering. Nirvana leaves one a communist because one loses the distinction between self and other...we are all the same entity.
ALL religions talk about losing distinctions between self and others.
Buddhism talks about FINDING self not losing it.
Communism talks about losing self but subjugates ALL and self to the state, a bit of a slave mentality.
The only similarities between communism and Buddhism in the line of thought is that they both negate a god or a deity.
When you say “we are all the same entity” that’s a bit of a scary thought a bit of a proletariat look on human beings, I wouldn’t even say that dogs are the same entity let alone people, the only time I’ve come across such a phrase as “same entity” is similar when a story talks about demons saying words to the effect of – we are one but we are many we are a legion. Brrrr scary thought. A bit like no identity / entity but all working towards some ones bidding a bit like communism and the “exalted” master.
Hmmm it would make sense why people looked upon communism as an arm of demonology.
Thank God that Jesus was not a socialist. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:19:16 AM | Yeah..I am sure that Jesus would wish to kick the Dalai Lama's butt for talking such enlightenment and gentleness. Jesus only sounded like a socialist. Nothing that Conservapedia can't fix.
42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and in fellowship [...] 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things in common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. Acts 2: 42, 44, 45
32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. 33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. 34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. 36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, 37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet. (King James Version) Acts 4:32-37
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' 37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' 41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' 44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' 45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' 46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." Mathew 25: 31-46
25 The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over the people; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves ‘Benefactors.’ But you are not to be like that. Luke 22:25
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil. 1 Timothy 6:10
10"What should we do then?" the crowd asked. 11John answered, "The man with two tunics should share with him who has none, and the one who has food should do the same." 12Tax collectors also came to be baptized. "Teacher," they asked, "what should we do?" 13"Don't collect any more than you are required to," he told them. 14Then some soldiers asked him, "And what should we do?" He replied, "Don't extort money and don't accuse people falsely—be content with your pay." Luke 3: 10-14 | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/5/2009 11:58:39 AM | I just figured him for a carpenter who liked to shoot the shit alot... Like the guy who built my deck...
That one really cracked me up.
With all this bible versin' and what not, it's starting to look like the ol bible was written not by one, but by several, authors .. ... hmmmm
Either that or Jesus had multiple personalities ... not good .....
But it does seem rather a contradiction to contain opposing messages in one single "good" book, or what seems like opposing messages.
Whether he was a socialist or not, I don't reckon the concept was even around at that time, but, by his behavior, he rather seems to have behavior patterns that reflected that demeanor. For example, a conservative, having found a way to multiply a food source of wine and fish (sorta like capitalism), would not have turned around and shared the product with the masses. Rather, he would have opened up a, let's say, FishCO, or something like that, and, having rather a monopoly of the product, would have charged way beyond his marginal cost for the product, and would have realized exceptional profit. Then he would have wound up on the cover of Fortune magazine, instead of on the cover of, ah, other books, which promote an entirely different perspective. Oh, wait, Fortune wasn't around at that time either. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/5/2009 12:26:40 PM | The difference between Jesus and todays socialist is that Jesus had a pure heart, was sent to reconcile man back to God and he was sinless...
Name me one Socialist that has a pure heart, can reconcile man back to God and is sinless?? "Let he who is sinless cast the first stone.." | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/5/2009 12:55:01 PM |
The difference between Jesus and todays socialist is that Jesus had a pure heart, was sent to reconcile man back to God and he was sinless...
Name me one Socialist that has a pure heart, can reconcile man back to God and is sinless?? "Let he who is sinless cast the first stone.."
A man, sinful by nature, who articulates a message, through word and deed, reflective of a socialist bent, is the same as a man, sinless, who articulates a message, through word and deed, reflective of a socialist bent. If the focus remains on voice and behavior, they will be equal with regard to those two foci. The quality of being sinful or not sinful is a non sequitor, albeit, in the case of the sinless person, it does give a message greater credence. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/5/2009 4:16:50 PM | ok gadget ha ha ha lol actually he just overturned the tables ...but if a few chairs
went flying around oh well......Maybe they should of listened!
God is love for those who seek it...........though his punishment is going
to be great upon the sins of the world........
So if ol Lucifer is nipping at your heels....best get your ducks in
a row??
Satan is the one that should be blasphemed and ridiculed ....for if so
many did not give into the temptations he sets before you , then he would
not exist.
 though a coward preys on the weaknesses and vulnerablilities of the
people. He sits on no throne and is powerless to those that have rejected
him and all he stands for.
God is Love.
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/5/2009 4:23:01 PM | 
Well that certainly settles that question .... What was the question again? | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:30:41 PM | Krebby Jesus was without sin! He did not have to articulate any message
but through the holy spirit that resides in him and in the Father.
Not sure what the hek else you blah blahing about (circle talk I guess)
That happens when someone is not sure of what they are talking
about.
Jesus said: 'I am the light of the world, no one comes to me but
throught my Father(God) and no one comes to the Father but through
me'
His holy words are given to us (he didn't have to do that either but he
did now didn't he) as our Guide to him and all that is good.
He died on the cross so that those who come to him in sincere
repentence would be forgiven.
(do you know anyone else that would do that for the sake
of mankind?)
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/5/2009 4:32:37 PM | ^^^^^
Something to do with a figure that you have to BELIEVE in, who, according to all sayings attributed to him, did everything possible to be as A-POLITICAL as possible.
Yet some seek to ascribe a political moniker to him.
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/5/2009 4:36:47 PM |
Kizz,
I was "blah blahing" about the question that the OP asked in this thread, something that is traditional in the Forums.
I was not aware that the discussion on the thread was whether I knew anyone who could do all of the things that Jesus did.
So, who's blah blahing now?
You can go on to discussing circles now, if you wish, but perhaps it's better done in another thread? I say that on account of your own blah blahing seems to be off thread. But I could be wrong. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/5/2009 4:43:48 PM | alrighty paul who was that post for? a figure? you have to believe in?
you stated.
Happy are those who have never seen but still believe' We don't have
to believe we just do!
Has anyone pondered revelations lately .......I sure wouldn't want
to be on the forums blaspheming our creator.......
So why Do so many ?
What if the time was Now?
All signs are pointing in that direction.....
kreb It seems like you lost direction another sign of lack
of knowledge of the said subject.....as you use anothers'
terminology (words) lol to demonstrate what??????????
lol. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:01:12 PM | Alrighty Kizzy.............
My post was for you............ What I was trying to say is that this is a subject that is being discussed about a person in history who has to be taken by belief to have even existed. There are lots of people who believe that Jesus was the Son of God, there are those who believe that he lived, but was not the Son of God, and there are those who don't believe that he ever existed.........
That having been said, isn't it a little silly to then ascribe a certain political belief to him? And, as was said by a very wise poster, Jesus tried to be as a-political as possible.
Let me know if you want me to explain it in simpler terms.
Paul K | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/5/2009 5:14:05 PM | How was Jesus political Paul???? I don't recall him talking
in circles trying to avoid questions , manipulating??????
Rather when asked a question by even the unbelievers' , he responded
so beautifully and left many dumbfounded , dropping their heads in shame,
placing their stones back on the ground.
Jesus ......................... | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/5/2009 5:20:13 PM |
kreb It seems like you lost direction another sign of lack
of knowledge of the said subject.....as you use anothers'
terminology (words) lol to demonstrate what??????????
lol.
Kizzy
Logic is not your friend, is it? That's OK, I'm sure that God will see you through. It's all good.
Back on thread:
Jesus was a-political. Point well taken. But if his behavior reflects a belief in "something," "something" like helping those in need, taking only as much as you need, etc. etc, then it would appear fair to question whether those behavior patterns are closer to "groups" that exist nowadays, like socialists, ultra-right Christians, communists, or what have you.
As I take it, this is purely an exercise in argumentation -- no one is saying that the results of this thread will change anything but lead to a good discussion.
But your point is well taken Paul, that the "exercise" might lead to a conclusion that is, essentially moot. If God was a-political, then trying to label him as "this" or "that" is an imposition of categorization that may not be instrumental for anything but "firing up" the brain cells. " | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:23:00 PM | Hey Kizzy
You are VERY cute, and very BLONDE............... If you lived in So Cal, I can see that you might have some type of attraction to me..........
BUT, that having been said, "a-political", means not political at all. What I was trying to say is that he tried to keep religon and the state separate. Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasars, render unto God what is Gods. Sorry, no quotation marks, as he is alleged to have said that, and we really don't know exactly what he said.
Paul K
PS So Cal is very nice this time of year......... :) :) :) :) Do you like to sail? | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:50:15 PM | kribby lol omg lol did you know that people only attack and insult what they
fear? Hows that for logic? 
you ponder that for a while ....pleaaaaaase..
There is no known or seen knowledge in the thread title to begin with!
its utter nonsense.
as for you paul......sorry I do not find you attractive......and you may wish
to ponder the above statement as well you know for the better of
mankind lol
neither of you bare any resemblance to practicality or logic as your posts'
have demonstrated.
maybe you 2 can go sailing together.....
maybe read the bible while you are at it!
Then come back and possibly contribute something of substance!
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/5/2009 5:59:51 PM | OUCH.............
Spanked again..........
Hey krebby, do you like to sail? Do you have a bible?
Paul K | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:06:49 PM |
Paul,
I saw a bible at the last hotel I was in ... some group puts them there ... as for sailing, motorcycles are my cup of tea ...
I don't think that Jesus would LIKE sarcasm and ridicule Kizzy ... WWJD?
But I might be wrong, hehe. So much for someone that espouses His word, but acts differently. What ever happened to "turn the other cheek?" hehe
Finally, Paul, some people LIKE spanking .... ah .... do you? Jes joshin' | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:16:44 PM | Hey Krebby
I don't know why, I just seem to get spanked a lot on this site.........
Until I saw the post from Kizzy, I was gong to challenge you for the right to ask Kizzy for a date by doing rock-paper-scissors................
I have motorcyles too............
As far as WWJD, ask Kizzy, she seems to think that she has a better grip on that than either of us do.
Paul K | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:17:39 PM | Did you find my statement ridiculing? or insulting? it was simply a matter of fact.
But then again you two seem to misinterpret alot don't you?
well have fun on your date!!
back to the subject at hand:
Jesus Is the Son of God. Everything else is Just a Toy!:grin:
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:19:01 PM | I couldn't go without correcting this. You've got to be kidding right? Jesus was not a socialist neither was he a pacifist, read revelations for the pacifist part. He seems pretty angry to me.
For the socialism: The point behind these scriptures, which you obviously missed, was that the fight of Christians was not against each other people but against the powers and principalities of this world which make up the rules of this world ...which were covered in the scriptures you so conveniently left out. Do you really think Christ would have said submit yourself to non-Christian heathens who drive knowledge of himself out of society? No.
Free will is the ultimate expression of love given by God, what father would give his child a rock if he asks for food? What person would force their beliefs on another and claim it was done out of love? None. Socialism/communism is about power not about love, Satan is about control and power, just look at Islam they're socialist they hate everyone and they suffer horribly. Show me one communist or socialist society that has ever matched the success of this nation?? There are none, so obviously they didn't have Gods blessings to be socialist or communist did they? How could another person decide what is right for you when no one on this planet can run their own lives without turmoil and grief??
It's impossible to read the scriptures the way you just did, simply because that's not what Jesus said. Jesus was not a communist nor a socialist, nor was he a pacifist. In fact he represented a MAJOR threat to Rome. He didn't want anyone to submit to anything but him, that's why being saved is your choice and not the states. That's an example of God holding the power of the sate back. If it was up to the state NO ONE would be Christian therefore everyone would go to hell. But God gave man the freedom of choice to choose him. Socialism doesn't give choice's. He was telling you to make moral choices based upon your own free will. You simply didn't understand him.
BTW Jesus did chase them out of the temple. He also over turned their tables and called them names! Doesn't sound like a pacifist to me. | |
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