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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/5/2009 6:37:31 PM | Hey Kizzy
you wrote:
"Jesus Is the Son of God. Everything else is Just a Toy!:grin:"
OK, so lets follow logic: Jesus is the son of God........ YOU are not the son of God, I guess that makes you a Toy!!!!
GRIN!!
Paul K
Krebby, I know what you are thinking......... | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:39:35 PM | sweetbilly omg ok lol
although I applaude your post for the exception of Jesus's anger as pacifist
or turning over the tables and calling names?
Gods' anger is on unrighteousness and sin as written in revelations....
It is the final warning to mankind to shape up or get shipped out!
He is God his mercy and forgiveness is for all that ask of him ....
and choose deliverance.
God has nothing to prove to any of us.......but we do to him!
as for the turning of the tables......again against unrighteousness...
anger is an emotion best demonstrated against that which
is not righteousness.
he did not call names yet informed them of the sinful actions
they had committed.
As believers' he calls us as well to correct the wrongs!
and if the boat doesn't sail..........wipe the dust off......
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:47:43 PM | ya paul blah blah blah without any apparent knowledge within the walls of your
wiery soul, I would expect that post to go right o'er yer head 
whats the matter can't get that boat in the water? | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:49:29 PM | ^^^^^^^
Why bother wiping the dust off.......... You don't want to go, and I am heartbroken
signed,
sad in So Cal......... | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:54:19 PM | Paul you need to pray for the wisdom to know the difference!
as for the dust........Oh I wiped that off a long time ago....
sailing solo these days are ya 
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:59:57 PM | Hey Kizzy
The entity that I consider to be God and I came to a meeting of the minds many years ago, I am very content within my own beliefs. BUT, I do like to ask questions to see how others think, as you can learn from everybody....... well, almost everybody.
As far as sailing solo, not these days, as the boat requires at least 2..........
Come on, whatta ya say, you can be my first mate for a nice afternoon. I will listen to all you have to say too..................
Now, when is the last time THAT happened?
Paul K
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:02:06 PM | "Relax, Mona, God has a great sense of humor............. looked around lately"
... you relax in regard to me, I am not your judge.... I tell my teen that it is only funny when everyone is having fun .. are you certain that Jesus appreciated your comment or that God of The Universe sees humour in blasphemy... all that I know is that I did not find it funny and I am only human... blessings for wisdom | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:03:05 PM | I'm sorry kizz but he did call them names, read it again, he called them a "brood of vipers" ...and yes it was for only sinful people you're right, because they turned Gods temple into a supermarket. They were playing Catholic, people were buying themselves out of hell for a few bucks.
I agree with almost everything you said, he is a God of mercy and love but he is also the God of vengeance and wrath. We Christians forget that at times. God said himself he is never changing, so if he turned over tables on the temple mount in anger I believe he'd turn them over now too. I just hate this idea that everyone tries to place God in the category of a pacifist and doing anything else means he can't be God, or that it's some kind of sin to be angry. He's not, and it's not sinful to not be a pacifist or full of righteous wrath and vengeance either.
Does he have something to prove in the end times?? I don't know, he certainly pours out tremendous pain on what's left of man, that seems pretty flamboyant to me. I don't think he takes any pleasure in it, yet he seems to enjoy punishing the wicked. If you had nothing to prove, why pour out your wrath, why not just send them to hell and be finished with it?? He's proving he's God! | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:04:58 PM |
He is God his mercy and forgiveness is for all that ask of him ....
and choose deliverance.
I reckon that Paul K (not myself) hehe, if he wuz a "sinner" could ask for mercy and forgiveness right here and now.
anger is an emotion best demonstrated against that which
is not righteousness.
I reckon ol Paul K, having asked for mercy and forgiveness, is righteous now. Therefore, no anger aimed at him. So one need no longer spank him. Paul you are now safe.
As believers' he calls us as well to correct the wrongs!
Ol Paul having already asked for mercy and forgiveness, now has to continue to be righteous as dictated by whatever "expert" of the bible dictates "righteous." What a bummer.
Me, I plan on askin for that ol mercy and forgiveness, well, mebbe a couple of minutes before being "angered upon," without having my name called, of course. I say a couple of minutes, not knowing exactly when the "last dying breath" will occur. Better to be on the safe side.
and if the boat doesn't sail..........wipe the dust off......
HUH?
sweetbilly, before I got sidetracked on this other, ah, tangent, my premise was that one can find quotes in the bible to support many different, and sometimes contradictory, views.
I reckon that the best course of action would be to live life, through free will and rational thought, in a way that will enable you to pursue happiness while allowing others to do as well. Conflict can be avoided through rational thought. Violence should occur only in self defense. I believe that that was Ayn Rands' vision of capitalism as well, back before other people began to tinker with its meaning.
Because, ah, unless you do that, why, individuals like Paul can get spanked just on account of someone using His word against him, and like I said, you can use His word to support many ways of acting.
As to whether he was a socialist or what not, one would have to define what one means by that term. Similarly, one has to define what one means by "capitalist." The reason for this is that these concepts have been ubiquitously tinged with meaning, as the concepts traverse through time, or history.
Why, even the winter solstice is now even being redefined as "Christmas," but its origins date back many decades before it was deemed to be that. History has a way of changing definitions. Therefore, one must define before engaging in comparison and contrast to that term. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:08:48 PM | I meant Roman Catholic, not just Catholic sorry :P And I don't dislike Roman Catholics either (so please don't send me hate mail), I just think their view of God is quite skewed from my understanding of scripture ...like most the rest of man. Just had to correct myself.   | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:12:58 PM | More Angry Jesus: Matthew 10 34-36 Do not think that I have come to bring peace upn the earth. I hve come to bring not peace but the sword. For I hve come to set a man "against his father, a daughter agaisnst her mothere. and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's enemies will be those of his household.
MT 17 24-27 Paraphrase: Doesn't your teacher pay the temple tax?...From whomdo the kings of the earth take tolls or census tax? From their subjects or foreigners? Peter From Foreigners. Then subjects are exempt. But that we may not offfend them... go catch a fish open its mouth, and you will find a coin twice the value of the tax and give to them for me and you.
MT 21 18 20 Jesus was hungry he came across a fig tree without fruit. And he said "May no fruit ever come from you again" And immediately the fig gree withered .
There's loads more examples. Jesus wasn't a soicalist. He was trying to remind people about the ways of God. It isn't an easy road to travel. 
Oh I'm Roman Catholic, and I don't feel that I'm skewed in my thinking. I also think that I am holding my own in this discussion. We read the Bible too. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:16:34 PM | | Sure many things can be taken out of context krebby but I don't think God meant for scripture to be read other than the way he intended! That's why Islam is dead set on destroying the west, because they changed scripture. You have to be very careful when you play with scripture, if God said it isn't so then it isn't. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:17:49 PM | "Does he have something to prove in the end times?? I don't know, he certainly pours out tremendous pain on what's left of man, that seems pretty flamboyant to me. I don't think he takes any pleasure in it, yet he seems to enjoy punishing the wicked. If you had nothing to prove, why pour out your wrath, why not just send them to hell and be finished with it?? He's proving he's God!"
I can agree with a lot of things that you have posted but to this comment I disagree 100%... the wages of sin is death and Truth makes us free... God does not have to prove anything to man, other worlds and heavenly angels obey His Law and worship Him as God... satan was granted power only for a ~short~ time, how do we like satans government ??.. I do not, I choose Gods Government and I pray for Its Soon Coming.... blessings | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:21:22 PM | | Totally agree gadgetdoc, it's not a sin to have righteous indignation and be angry. It's just not. The question is "does mas have the wisdom and knowledge necessary to impose justice" on other men? IMO No man doesn't! Therefore man can not be perfect, but God because he is omnipotent and knows mans heart can be absolutely perfect in his judgment even if it involves anger and wrath and calling people names. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:24:42 PM |
Sure many things can be taken out of context krebby but I don't think God meant for scripture to be read other than the way he intended! That's why Islam is dead set on destroying the west, because they changed scripture. You have to be very careful when you play with scripture, if God said it isn't so then it isn't.
I ain't the one dictating to others what should be done on account of the "scriptures." I'm a Christian, yes, but prefer to ACT on the basis of my beliefs rather than dictating my beliefs on others.
Soooooo, this begs the question ... WHO is to define what He meant? Unless He appears on earth again, and articulates CLEARLY what he meant, it will be a MAN/WOMAN "interpreting" His word, will it not?
And that, for all intents and purposes, is when you "have to be careful when you play with scripture." Read back over the posts .... who is interpreting what HE meant?
Remind you of anyone? | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:28:46 PM | Hey Krebby
You wrote:
"Ol Paul having already asked for mercy and forgiveness, now has to continue to be righteous as dictated by whatever "expert" of the bible dictates "righteous." What a bummer."
Ahhh, krebby, 'ol mate..... you are right in the mercy and forgivness aspect of my life, but what you forgot to put in the mix is that we are all human, and as such make mistakes. One can drive oneself certifiable trying to be perfect. I stopped trying to be perfect a long time ago..................
So, no bummer!!! All is well, I am enjoying life, as God intended!!! Hey even Jesus didn't mind a good party now and then......... Read John 2--- 1-11. Besides, I am not very good at following through on the dictates of experts, even if they are righteous, or at least righteous according to themselves.
Paul K | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:34:17 PM | Sure I agree, he doesn't have to prove anything to believers but ask yourself who he is punishing in this scenario and why he's punishing them??? It isn't Christians or believers, it's the non-believers that rejected him, even after seeing with their own eyes. I think in Revelation he is so flamboyant it's almost over the top ...I think it's for a reason, to prove he is god to the non-believers. Remember, the opportunity to be saved is over at this time. God isn't hiding from man, man is rejecting God. What better punishment to dish out to your enemies than to lay the smack down! Remember God said he can be jealous too!
And once again, appeasing to the palate or not I think it's perfectly just for him to prove that he is God. Isn't that not why Jesus came, to prove he was God? Of course he came to show Gods loving side, but there are certain people who just will not accept that. I prolly digressed a little from the topic of this post, but it was just to prove my point. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:37:40 PM | 
Well dangit, let the spanking begin!
Thank you all for a really entertaining stretch of time. Gotta get off my old orange crate for a while, fill the kerosene lamp up, and go feed my canines. Can't remember LOLing so much, probably too much at the expense of Paul K.
For that, Paul, I thank you. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:56:06 PM | Yes, but you have taken into consideration that there are people who have dedicated their entire lives studying the bible for more than 2000 years, (actually more than 5000 years) and while some of the bible is still a mystery, I admit, how God wants man to live his life is not a mystery. He was perfectly clear, he had to be for man to be saved! You have to take into consideration the language, the time, the area, the beliefs etc.. It's very complicated, but we really don't question the most simplistic aspects of what God meant. For everything that can be questioned God gave man an answer in the bible. It is a very, very deep book. God said he engraved Gods law in man heart.
I'm not dictating anything to anyone, God is. I'm simply telling you there is no way to re-interpret what he said, socialism is not ok ...he warned man not to change his words for this very reason! Catholics added scriptures which other felt were not written by God, the Apocrypha, the Muslims added Muhammad etc... You have to literally read the scriptures and interpret them correctly to know what fits and what doesn't with the world, and every scripture is dependent on he correct interpretation of every other scripture. That's what prophecy is for, to figure out which interpretation is correct!! Such as Genesis 1, which includes the description of Pangaea. When we find it in the natural world that's how we know we have the correct interpretation. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:11:33 PM | ^^ get a grip ... like you know ancient Hebrew ... just another blowhard ^^
did you actually read this thread? or just want to make it with monalee?
there is a lot more intelligent debate in this thread than your stupid rhetoric that has been delt with many times over already.
more than 5000 years eh? .... well that has nothing to do with Jesus preaching what may appear to be socialism to some. Stick with the topic and leave the other crap ... we already know more about that than you do so your misinterpretations and false history from way before the supposed time of JC are not needed. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:38:42 PM | The Approchial Gospels were the books not orginally included in the Cannon of the the Bible at the council of Nicea. However catholic with the little "c" means universal, which all Christains belonged to by the rule of Constine, the first Christian Emperor. So all Christians were Catholics at one point. I think it was the Council of Trent that we had the Eastern Schism, (I may have the wrong Eccumenical council). That said that the Catholic bible is the frist Cannon, which wasn't "added" to. Prior to the Catholic Bible there wasn't a Bible just a collection of different letters, gospels, and legends held by the individual churches. But the books that you refer to are books of the old Testament Tobit and Esther.
I don't know Hebrew, but I do know that the old Testament is several Jewish books, the Torah, and Tannicak. Then you also have poetry in it, think Palsms, and the Song of Songs. Of course you have some Jewish history there too, Samuel, Kings, and Chronicals. Also when reading the old Testament you have to know what was happening in Ancient history such as the Babolyian exile. Daniel, Lamentations, Hosea, Maccebes..etc.
Then you have the various translations of the bible. You have the Ancient Greek, Translated into the Vulgate Latin, and you have some documents in Arimaic, and Hebrew. Much of what you read depends on who is doing the Translation. While the KJB is the first English translation, being the first there are many mistranslations in it.
Then we can get into what Christ means. The anointed. Who was anointed? Both kings, and the preist Class. This is why Jesus is often refered to as Christ, because he is both king and Cheif Priest. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 9:28:06 PM | | Jesus was a realist. He saw the hypocritical things being done in the name of goodness and he was poor compared to the Priest caste. So his take on things is easily related to. I've often wondered at a man who did everything he could to get himself crucified.... was it a form of heroic masochism? And there's no doubt that until The Council of Nicea in about 300AD, his sayings were word of mouth and then finally we had an English version of the Bible... but after such a long time, surely it was a bit like Chinese whispers? And what has always intrigued me is where was he for those 30 plus years that he was absent from Palestine? He was a realist and a good man and if it all happened for the first time now, I think it would be even worse! They were barbaric times he lived in and they still are in the Middle East. Terrible terrible things have been done in the name of Christianity and they still are , more subtly but prejudiced against those 'they' see as sinners. How pompous! I was with a group of Chritians and the town Prostitute had died. I made it my business to find out more about her. Hers was a tragic story, no time for details, and this moralistic prick was holding forth on how he just couldn't bring himself to mourn for her, she was such a sinner ... blah blah. He must have forgotten Jesus' attitude to the 'woman taken in adultery' !!! | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 10:11:07 PM | | Anyone know what the original sin is? It's laziness. From Laziness stems all other manifestations of sin. (The Road Less Traveled) We're all lazy and we're all sinners. There is a correlation between entropy and laziness. The natural flow of things is towards a state of entropy (2nd law), which manifests in all humans as laziness. What's interesting is that humans and life seems to violate that second law because though we are lazy, we can overcome it with love, which is the exact opposite of laziness (The Road Less Traveled). | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 10:38:59 PM |
So now "The Road Less Traveled" is part of the interpretation of the Bible? Why don't all ya bible thumpers start your own thread on a separate issue of what the bible means? All of us can read the bible and decide for ourselves as to what each of us takes from it. That's why God gave us free will.
And the Constitution of the United States of America gave us freedom of religion, to decide for ourselves as to what we decide, in the "pursuit of happiness," what we should take from religion, or not.
What is it with you bible thumpers? Do you get frequent flier miles or a gift certificate to Chuckie Cheese for each instance of imposing you belief on others?
Geez .... take what you can from any Good Book and live life according to your beliefs. Subscribe to the Constitution of the good ol U. S. of A. -- First Amendment, get that? FIRST Amendment, freedom of speech AND religion. It was done for a reason, and it being the first amendment, it must have been foremost in the founders' minds.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a Christian and believe in Christian beliefs, but geez, that doesn't give me the right, in this country, to impose my view on others.
I'll read the Bible and take from it what I can. I don't need others, especially those who profess to have the expertise to have gone back thousands of years, to tell me how to live. If you're more than 5000 years old, you're a dang ghost. I saw that in "The Exorcist." That was more scary than sacred.
Paul K., my favorite beer is Pearl Bear, from the heartland of Texas (San Antone). Hope it's good enough for ya. I offer it in gratitude. | |
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