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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/6/2009 1:54:19 PM | We know nothing about who Jesus was. Frankly, I believe that it is completely beside the point.
People are so focused on some dead guy that they forget that the kingdom of heaven is within and Jesus is with us (our conscience) as that perfected human being that knows right from wrong, strength from weakness, and truth from lies.
Spirituality is not about fancy impractical things. It is not about disco lights (well ok disco lights), and dogma, is it about understanding ourselves and our place in the world.
Some Jesuses are socialists, some are capitalists, some are marxist-lennenists, some are fascists, some are completely apolitical, I would go further and say that some Jesuses are atheists.
I would say that there are some (sociopaths) which operate without a personal Jesus-Krishna-Muhammed-Sense of Ethics-whatever (conscience).
I would also say that the story of Jesus, his myth was responsible for setting the stage for a leap in consciousness. And for over two thousand years we have moved through the age of Pisces.
In Pisces we were to learn to be kind, compassionate, selfless, and sympathetic, these we all qualities that the character embodied. Though the terror of war clouds the picture I would venture forth that the average person is likely more compassionate, selfless, and sympathetic then two thousand years ago when public execusions, torture and slavery were the norm in much of the world.
But now, as we enter Aquarius, the idol of Jesus falls aside as a mere dream vehicule for evolution. Our next lessons reflect notions of humanitarianism, honestly, inventiveness, and the intellect. Let our myths be reality! Let the truth of the mysteries themselves spark our imaginations. Science will show the way to our mythology-spirituality. All humans under one God (existence itself), a God of endless names and customs. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/6/2009 1:58:15 PM | ^^^^^^^^
You spout astrology....... are we supposed to take you seriously?
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Posted: 11/6/2009 2:02:14 PM | Paul K
Your prejudice is astounding. Keep reading with filters on... Astrology TILT TILT TILT! Hahaha... | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/6/2009 2:12:15 PM |
^^^^^^
So you really are serious about astrology?
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So you really are serious about some guy walking on water and who rose from the dead?
So you really are serious about original sin entering this world because some women who was born from a rib ate a magical apple because of a talking snake?
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Posted: 11/6/2009 2:18:49 PM | I am as serious about astrology as I am about other symbolic represations of the universe be they Kabbala, Chakra, Totemic, or classical Western Occult I see where myth and reality intersect.
So am I serious about astrology? You could say that it is a detached hobby amungst many. Am I aware of its flaws and contradictions? Of course. Everything is a working model. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 2:21:20 PM | ^^^^
I am certain that there are those out there who take the life an times of Jesus literally. My beliefs are my own, and I am the first to say that they are based upon a BELIEF, not a scientific basis. That having been said, astrologers hold themselves out to be scientifically correct, as to where stars where having an effect on a persons personality. I admit that belief in God and all that entails, is just that, BELIEF. However those who believe in astrology take it to the next level, and try to show PROOF by showing how people have personalities based on where the stars were............
See the difference?
Paul K | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/6/2009 2:26:41 PM | I have a running invitation to anyone on this board to send me their (or anyones) precise birth data (date, time and place). I would gladly run their data through the computer.
I wonder if there is something to birthcharts. I have analyzed mine, pretty freaky! I suggest that you do the same. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 3:07:17 PM | Xzanthius I might take up on your offer, if nothing more then my own entertainment. However, I do believe that Jesus walked on water and so on. Sure If you think that he is God why not? The bible wasn't solely work of mouth. There were many different texts at the time, that is why they need to decide which books should be included into the Bible. Jesus returned to the Galilee after Herod Agripia died, well in Mathews texts 2 19-23. This is where we get the Feast of the Holy innocents.
As far as Jesus's view on Prostitution, this is where we get the famous line he without sin cast the first stone. However, he could've been asking among you who is the Chief Priest to make the interpertation of the law, that she should be put to death? The Chief Priest was supposed to be sinless, to enter the Holy of Holies. I prefer the popular interpertation but just a thought. Jesus often said the sex should be within the confines of a marriage, and even said that divorce is wrong (unless fraudulent).
As for orginal sin well you have to look at Genesis 2 to find that. I like Genesis 1, where God created man and woman, and said be fruitful and multiply.
One of the advantages of living in the south (Bible Belt) you learn where in the bible to find stuff. I'm not Evangelical in anyway. As far as I'm concerned if you want to be a wicken and worship nature so be it. Or any other religion for that matter.
But to bring it back to topic, if you had to discribe a political bent to Jesus and his message it would be Theocratic. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/6/2009 3:14:08 PM | 
Paul, you in here again, and now discussing with astrology types ....
To keep posting in keeping with the thread.
Here's a birthdate:
December 25, 0000, I don't know the precise time, but I reckon it's in the Good Book there somewhere. I do know that is was night time, on accounta, when my rabbit ear antenny was still good, I watched a show on the telly about Jesus born with the North Star up thar in the sky, so from that I rekon it was night time. That and the fact that the fambly could not find space at any of them inns or what not they used to call hotels in them days.
So, with the astrology data giving us some indication as to whether someone being born at that time would grow up with certain beliefs, then we can aim this here discussion back on thread. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 3:15:41 PM | ^^^^^^
Thank you for the offer. However, I do have a question, or two......... I can give you the date, and place, but the time is a littley schetcky......... Here is why I say that.... Do you want the precise time that the baby crowned during birth, or do you want when the baby was fully out of the mother, or do you want the time when the umbilical cord was cut, or do you want the time when the baby first screamed? There could be as much as a quarter of an hour difference in that scenario............ Birth is not a very precise process.
Wouldn't the planets have moved enough so as to make a difference?
By the way, from what I understand, we entered the age of aquarius in the early '70's. At least according to the 5th dimension...................
I am serious about sending you my stats, but you have to clarify it a little bit for me.
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Posted: 11/6/2009 3:21:48 PM | Krebby actually Jesus's birthday and even birthyear are highly contentious facts. Most certainly however he wasnt born on December 25th.
'astrology types' I love this stuff... :-D
I am not off topic... I am saying that no one has a freakin idea what historical Jesus really believed, said or did... he has been a mythological and political figure for roughly the past 2000 years. His image was created. He was not born on Dec 25th. He was not a pale guy with blue eyes and blonde hair. We've got nothing right about the guy. and now we want to decide which way he would vote? | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/6/2009 3:29:21 PM | Paul K
There's a lot that's 'sketchy' about astrology, that doesn't stop me from examining it laughing and maybe even learning something. I want the time that the doctors wrote on the birth data chart. A few minutes shouldnt makes such a big difference. Poetically I suppose first breath would be best. (in terms of the ascendant one degree is equal to 5 minutes) 30 degrees to a sign, 360 degrees to the zodiac.
As for the Age of Aquarius again astrology IS SKETCHY, it is not an exact science, some estimates go back to the 18th century and others to 2020.
I could even send you back 3 or 4 chart analysis and you can point out your own.
Jesus would aprove of this expiriment. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/6/2009 3:32:59 PM |
That was sort of my point, if you scroll back through the last few pages.
But there seems to be some disagreement to what you're saying. Why, just last night, we had some folks here who claimed to know EXACTLY what Jesus meant. Again, you can scroll back and see for yourself.
Soooooo, where does this leave us?
And, oh, yeah, I forgot to mention, Paul K got spanked by one of them. He and I may have our disagreements at times, but I don't cotton to spankin here on POF. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/6/2009 3:44:20 PM | Hey Krebby
I think that time, I was spanking myself..........
Paul K | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 4:13:20 PM | "And that, for all intents and purposes, is when you "have to be careful when you play with scripture." Read back over the posts .... who is interpreting what HE meant? "
a believer stands behind that title.. they believe God when He Says "ask and I Will Answer... we believe ALL of Gods Promises... Gods Spirit Teaches man in All Truth, man can not interpret without God or he thinks himself God... who does that sound like?... blessings | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/6/2009 4:27:25 PM | "Don't get me wrong, I'm a Christian and believe in Christian beliefs, but geez, that doesn't give me the right, in this country, to impose my view on others.
What is it with you bible thumpers? Do you get frequent flier miles or a gift certificate to Chuckie Cheese for each instance of imposing you belief on others?
my favorite beer is Pearl Bear, "
... as a Christian I study Gods Word and The Life of Christ and I state what Gods Spirit Teaches me to.. you call yourself a Christian, mock people who study the bible while imposing on us what your fav beer is... see any differences, see any similarities??... you judge me but I leave you to Gods Judgement... blessings | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/6/2009 4:33:08 PM | "wonder if there is something to birthcharts. I have analyzed mine, pretty freaky! I suggest that you do the same. "
... ty but no, I am going with what God says.. "do not even touch it"... God does not keep any good thing from us so that settles it, astrology is not from God, it is from another source not out for our greater good.... blessings | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/6/2009 4:35:45 PM | ^^^^^^^
The point is, we're all capable of "studying the bible" and coming out with different interpretations of it. That's my point.
Secondly, to impose my view of the bible on you, or vice versa, is simply, imposition.
Third, the way that that discussion enters into this thread is that, given that there are as many pieces of interpretation of what Jesus was like with regard to the question of Socialism, that the question posted by OP may well not have an answer.
My favorite beer is Pearl Beer. That's fact. Am I imposing that fact on you? Nope, that part of my post was the offering of my favorite beer to Paul K.
Now I know what your problem is. There's a Kaplan course for reading comprehension ...
Post Edit: And there you go again. Imposing your view of astrology on a student of astrology. Geez ......
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Posted: 11/6/2009 4:48:50 PM | ^^^
Pearl........ sounds great. And to think that I was going to have a bottle of '82 Opus One with the new york strip I am going to grill tonight.
Paul K | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/6/2009 5:07:31 PM | Monalee
I understand that you believe the bible to be the diety's dirrect words but I don't. When I pray I hear different music than you.
I still think that you appear to be a kind human being, though one with beliefs that in many ways contradict mine.
Goodwill to you. | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/6/2009 5:34:50 PM | Krebby, when talking about Religion you have to solve it like a Geometry problem, that is that you have to have a few assumptions to solve.
Now here's Jesus. He is the Son of God.
He is both 100% God, and 100% Man.
Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead for the forgiveness, of sins.
So for you question because Jesus is God, he didn't find an interesting way to multiply food. He's God first postulate: Therefore, created the entire universe down to the subatomic particle.
Postulate Two Jesus is 100% God 100% Man: Therefore as a Man (human) he is nuanced in personality like we all are. Well those of us that think, and are confortable being ourselfs. I'm not 100% Conservative, or 100% Liberal, depending on the topic you could call me either. When you see the inconsistancies, that is just a reflection of Jesus humanity, his emptying himself to experience our life. Jesus, when you look at him in a whole you will see that it is very consistant. You just can't just look at chapter and verse out of the context of the whole.
Jesus died, and rose from the Dead, supports the other two postulates.
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/6/2009 6:36:16 PM |
Well, having taught business statistics on a few occasions, I can relate to your suggestion.
But since when does 100% and 100% relate to the same entity? I mean, you can't have a container of juice be both 100% orange juice and 100% pineapple.
I can see the mixture of conservative/liberal, and the mixture should add up to 100% I would presume.
OK, so I THINK that I will take it on FAITH that he created lots of food out of little.
And that the same entity adds up to 200%
Dang, now I'm straying away from logic .... oh, yeah, that's OK, it's called Faith ... but wait, Geometry is a subscience ... unable to deal with elements of faith ....
"You just can't look at chapter and verse out of the context of the whole" -- Ya, I would agree with that in terms of studying an issue. BUT, hey, that's what folks here are doing ... I didn't quote verse/chapter on the thread ... other folks did .... I did mention the "making lots of food out of little," but that should stand whether in or out of context, should it not? I mean, either he did or he didn't ...
Finally, a question, "How does your post address the original (OP) question?' So, can we use geometry to answer the question of whether Jesus reflected, through behavior/values, elements of Socialism? | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 7:04:57 PM | Hey Krebby
Stop being such a stickler for logic. After all, the only one that could pour a glass of juice that was 100% pineapple, and 100% orange juice walked on water, and he ain't around no more. But, can you imagine what a great party trick that would be..... "Here you go, ma'am, your drink is 100% pineapple jucie, 100% orange jucie, and 100% vodka............."
Have another Pearl.............
Paul K | |
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| Jesus was a Socialist
Posted: 11/6/2009 7:15:58 PM |
Oh all right, I'll spank myself on the logic thing. Ain't good for nothing but getting "angered upon" anyways.
It's the WEEKEND Paul, time to put the Pearl back in the slop bucket full of ice and break out the single malt scotch!!
Ya'll have a great weekend. | |
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