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 wuzamermaid
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Because if we took the initiative, the balls would be between our legs and not yours! And then, why would we want a man without balls? It's your job to be a man. If you weren't taught etiquitte, then watch some old movies. The man with the manners and the balls gets the ladies every time. You will then feel worthy and be reciprocated. If you are the type to not use your god-given balls, then be prepared to have a girlfriend with your balls in hand.
 cariboolady1
Joined: 3/22/2012
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Why does the guy always have to initiate the date and relationship? or at least most of the time?
Posted: 5/20/2012 2:48:49 PM

what's so great about being male anyway?

Hahahahaha!
That is the best question that I have ever heard in all my 56 years as a female!!!
Thirty years of Feminism and Extreme Feminism have tried to convince us females that being a male, acting like a male and thinking like a male is what we SHOULD be striving for.
Anything that was deemed feminine or 50's was to be trashed.
Well, guess what? I love to be female. I wallow in it. It is the best!
And..and ...here's something else! Look at this!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146831/Fabulous-Fifties-decade-Elizabeth-Taylor-Audrey-Hepburn-voted-attractive-ever.html

Wonder why everyone likes the Fifties now? A yearning for balance, beauty and most of all...a re-look at the 50's itself for it's values?
 MutedEnthusiasm
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Why does the guy always have to initiate the date and relationship? or at least most of the time?
Posted: 5/20/2012 3:00:34 PM
^^^ yes, but real men ignore all that stuff. Never let a kitty tell you how to be a dog. ;=)
 fillyphilly
Joined: 5/12/2012
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Posted: 5/20/2012 3:14:16 PM
Hate all you want, makes you even less appealing. The person who wants the date more initiates. Period.
 cariboolady1
Joined: 3/22/2012
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Why does the guy always have to initiate the date and relationship? or at least most of the time?
Posted: 5/20/2012 3:15:39 PM

your job to be a Man" seriously, i'm sick and tired of all of these crap as to how a "Man" is supposed to be, as to "Real Men do this, Real Men do that, seriously, it pisses me off a lot, seriously, it just makes me want to berserk at times. It gets really annoying. I choose to rebel against' socities', life's gender roles, social-norms, etc.

Keep doing what you are doing, then. It seems to be working for you. (NOT)
(Never could understand why some people keep banging their heads against the same wall...expecting it to move.)
Hopefully, in twenty years, you might move on to some different way of thinking.
 wuzamermaid
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Posted: 5/20/2012 3:30:40 PM
I also wanted to say, thank you for asking the question. It seems to be confusing to some people now days and I certainly see why. I love men who are not confused.
 grove_22
Joined: 1/30/2012
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Posted: 5/20/2012 3:42:17 PM
Because if we took the initiative, the balls would be between our legs and not yours! And then, why would we want a man without balls? It's your job to be a man.


Thus type of attitude can backfire on a woman. If a woman never or rarely initiates contact, a man might think a woman isn't that interested and will move on. Also a woman that is passive may lose out on a man that is a potential match to a more aggressive woman that was willing the make the first move.
 Fleuron
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Posted: 5/20/2012 4:01:53 PM

yeah but he can't wait for a woman to initiate because 90 percent of women will never initiate anything,


89 and a half percent of that 90 aren’t initiating anything because they are NOT interested. That’s the real problem. Some guys think they deserve to have any woman they want with the least amount of effort possible. That’s what porn is for.


Thus type of attitude can backfire on a woman. If a woman never or rarely initiates contact, a man may think a woman isn't that interested and will move on


Omg….no, not that! (EYEROLL)

If a man is really interested in me, he’ll have the guts to pursue me or he isn’t the man I want.


Also a woman that is passive may lose out on a potential match to an more aggressive woman that was willing the make the first move.


This is such skewed thinking. I don’t compete with any woman. If a man wants someone else, have at her. I have never and will never fight another woman for a man. That is the depth of stupidity. I’d suggest we both dump him and go shoe shopping.
 grove_22
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Posted: 5/20/2012 4:18:13 PM
Omg….no, not that! (EYEROLL)

If a man is really interested in me, he’ll have the guts to pursue me or he isn’t the man I want.


It has nothing to do with lacking guts. Perhaps a man simply wants a woman to contribute instead of expecting the man to do most or all or work in this topic.


This is such skewed thinking. I don’t compete with any woman. If a man wants someone else, have at her. I have never and will never fight another woman for a man. That is the depth of stupidity. I’d suggest we both dump him and go shoe shopping.


You are missing the point. Suppose you see an attractive man somewhere. Yet you don't approach him and walk away. because you feel a man must always initiate contact. Perhaps he didn't notice you. But he would have been interested if you had approached him. 15 minutes later, an more aggressive woman approaches him and they hit it off.
 _mr_brown
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Posted: 5/20/2012 4:46:59 PM

You are missing the point. Suppose you see an attractive man somewhere. Yet you don't approach him because you feel a man must always initiate contact. Perhaps he didn't notice you. But he would have been interested if you had approached him. 15 minutes later, an more aggressive woman approaches him and they hit it off.


Agree. Hats off to the aggresive women out there. Pretty much all of my gf's have been that way. That 1950's damsel in distress waiting for her prince charming to sweep her off her feet mentality is the reason why a lot of you are single...Its 2012...You see something you like? Go for it! Nothing wrong at all with the woman making the first move!
 really good at...
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Posted: 5/20/2012 4:57:59 PM
Come on ladies, I know you get it...may not like it, but you get it. I really want to initiate, I have tried, I also want a man who acts ' "manly", even butch. I would be with a womwn, and have in the past,but we want them to provide, we want them to make us feel "female", whatever that means, and we want to crawl into big , strong, arms, We want them to talk to us about feelings. I think we want everything. I also think if that were possible, we'd be with who we werer with before we were on this site. Men jst gotta be the "top", most of the time, and nature set alot of this up. It's the rare man who wants an equal, and how are we supposed to know which one that is when we randomly initiate? We want to give em all the props , on the natural, so there's no need for those little ble pills. Gotta love 'em.
 Sereneselena
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Posted: 5/20/2012 5:02:53 PM
@tallmanenters

Yes IRL men get the subtle messages.. on here I have initiated interest based on the profile but I must not be his type.
 Fleuron
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Posted: 5/20/2012 5:21:22 PM

It has nothing to do with lacking guts. Perhaps a man simply wants some balance in the relationship instead of expecting one person to do most or all or work in this topic..


Balance in a relationship is very important, obviously. But I thought we were discussing initiating a date and dating, not maintaining a relationship.

I think it has something to do with having guts, or what's the problem? Just lazy, can't be bothered?
Trust me, a man needs guts to approach me. And when he does, I appreciate it. : ) If a woman doesn't appreciate your effort, she is NOT interested. Some guys apparently can't tell when there's nothing there FOR HER. If it feels like work, probably you’re doing something wrong.


Suppose you see an attractive man somewhere. Yet you don't approach him because you feel a man must always initiate contact. Perhaps he didn't notice you. But he would have been interested if you had approached him. 15 minutes later, an more aggressive woman approaches him and they hit it off.


I don’t approach strange men, but I think I know how to get a man’s attention if I really want to. ; ) Honestly if he’s happier with a more aggressive woman that’s cool with me. Just because a man is good looking doesn’t mean he’s right for me, and I don’t go after men like that. I don’t think of every attractive man as a missed opportunity.

Maybe you’re putting too much pressure on yourself .
 ThreadMasterB
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Posted: 5/20/2012 5:25:08 PM

I don’t approach strange men, but I think I know how to get a man’s attention if I really want to. ; ) Honestly if he’s happier with a more aggressive woman that’s cool with me. Just because a man is good looking doesn’t mean he’s right for me, and I don’t go after men like that. I don’t think of every attractive man as a missed opportunity.

Maybe you’re putting too much pressure on yourself .


Want to watch X-Files and get a pizza one day?
 dreamcatcher39
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Posted: 5/20/2012 5:33:37 PM

Why does the guy always have to initiate the date and relationship? or at least most of the time?

A guy doesn't have to do either of these things if he doesn't want to. I have yet to see a woman hold a gun to a man's head and demand he do these things. If doing these things puts a knot in your tighty whitey's, DON'T DO IT.
 grove_22
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Posted: 5/20/2012 5:56:40 PM
I think it has something to do with having guts, or what's the problem? Just lazy, can't be bothered?
Trust me, a man needs guts to approach me. And when he does, I appreciate it. : ) If a woman doesn't appreciate your effort, she is NOT interested. Some guys apparently can't tell when there's nothing there FOR HER. If it feels like work, probably you’re doing something wrong


I disagree. Suppose a man approaches a woman and asks her out a date. The date goes well. Why can't the woman call or text him first after the date to say she had a good time? Why can't she ask him out on the second date? There's nothing that prohibits a woman from doing these things.


I don’t approach strange men, but I think I know how to get a man’s attention if I really want to. ; ) Honestly if he’s happier with a more aggressive woman that’s cool with me. Just because a man is good looking doesn’t mean he’s right for me, and I don’t go after men like that. I don’t think of every attractive man as a missed opportunity.



Of course an attractive man may not be right for a woman. But she wouldn't know that for sure if she doesn't approach him because she feels men should always initiate contact.
 Fleuron
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Posted: 5/20/2012 6:32:52 PM

Suppose a man approaches a woman and asks her out a date. The date goes well. Why can't the woman call or text him first after the date to say she had a good time? Why can't she ask him out on the second date? There's nothing that prohibits a woman from doing these things.


I completely agree. : )


Of course an attractive man may not be right for a woman. But she wouldn't know that sure if she doesn't approach him because she feels men should always initiate contact.


You’re talking about two different things, here. Initiating contact is very different from having already had a successful date. There could be miles between these two events.

I DO know that a man isn’t right for me if he requires me to initiate contact. Look…there are messages a woman can send to a man to show him that she’s interested. I’m sure some people would say that’s game playing, but tough shit. There’s nothing wrong with a woman sending subtle messages to a man….then they both know they’re on the same page without any potentially embarrassing encounters that will result in months of nightmares for both of them.

If a woman is smiling as you approach, keep going and introduce yourself and whatever. If she is avoiding eye contact with you and turning green and trying to hide under a rock, she’s not interested and you should veer away before things get uglier.


Want to watch X-Files and get a pizza one day?


I love X-Files and pizza. : )
 grove_22
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Posted: 5/20/2012 8:09:32 PM

You’re talking about two different things, here. Initiating contact is very different from having already had a successful date. There could be miles between these two events.


I realize these things can be different. However this thread is about the men constantly having to initiate things through the entire dating process.


I DO know that a man isn’t right for me if he requires me to initiate contact. Look…there are messages a woman can send to a man to show him that she’s interested. I’m sure some people would say that’s game playing, but tough shit. There’s nothing wrong with a woman sending subtle messages to a man….then they both know they’re on the same page without any potentially embarrassing encounters that will result in months of nightmares for both of them.


This can get a little bit tricky. Some women can give out clear signs that they are interested ( or not interested ). While others give out hints that are so vague it would take a professional mind reader to figure out what she means
 Fleuron
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Posted: 5/20/2012 9:38:27 PM

This can get a little bit tricky. Some women can give out clear signs that they are interested ( or not interested ). While others give out hints that are so vague it would take a professional mind reader to figure out what she means


Well if you want a 100% Lifetime Guarantee you’ll have to shop at LL Bean.

Life is tricky. Women are enchanting enigmas, what can I say. : )
 NonamousDog
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Posted: 5/21/2012 10:52:50 AM
fleuron@

"There's nothing wrong with a woman sending subtle signals to a man.... then they both know they're on the same page without any potentially embarrassing encounters......"

What universe do you inhabit? In my experience, responding to what I thought were subtle signals has been embarrassing more often than not. I suppose it might not have been embarrassing to the women who informed me that they had in fact not been smiling or gazing in my direction, but it sure was embarrassing to me. I have pretty much gotten to the point of regarding anything that appear to be 'subtle signals' as no more than wishful thinking on my part.

If you want that 'subtle signals' stuff to work, there will have to be some general agreement as to what the signals are, what they mean, and for the most part, there isn't. The fact that they are subtle means they are open to interpretation.
 Fleuron
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Posted: 5/21/2012 12:00:44 PM

I have pretty much gotten to the point of regarding anything that appear to be 'subtle signals' as no more than wishful thinking on my part.


I’m gonna start offering classes on this stuff.

First thing….lose the idea that every attractive woman wants you; you’ll save yourself a lot of unnecessary heartache. If you need to hold onto that illusion for whatever reason, invest in porn.

Okay….when you are at the ‘wishful thinking’ stage, and feel hesitant, just wait. If she is truly trying to get your attention she will try something else. If she doesn’t, maybe you did misread her. So what? You’re posting so I imagine it didn’t kill you. I was being sarcastic about the emotional scarring…which leads to….

Second….don’t give up your power to women, or anybody else. Be a strong man, you will attract women.


The fact that they are subtle means they are open to interpretation.


If the smile or the hip swing don’t convince you, the finger sucking will.

And… how are you approaching smiling women that compels them to humiliate you? How about just going over to her and saying hello? Are you proposing marriage or other indecencies? ; )
 DarLite
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Posted: 5/21/2012 12:45:34 PM
Guys should initiate the date and the relatonship because I can't couldn't handle the rejection if HE said NO.........and besides I'd rather suffer in silence if he didn't initiate the date and relationship, after all my flirtatious comments and gestures.

Men seem to be better at sucking up the rejection than I am..........so that takes care of that silly question.

Another very good reason for men to initiate the date and relationsip is that women have to do everything else, so the good old boys really need to be assigned something to do. Oh cry me a river...wah, wah, wah. I'll be in charge of initiating the sex games...I think that's a fair deal!!
 TRESemme
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Posted: 5/21/2012 1:01:18 PM
i've tried being the initiator, it didn't work out.
 NonamousDog
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Posted: 5/21/2012 5:15:41 PM
fleuron@


I can't remember ever thinking that 'every' woman wanted me, and I don't know why you felt you had to imply that I did. Is that kind of condescension really necessary?

I don't remember ever being 'humiliated' after approaching a woman, but I have approached women who just weren't interested despite having appeared to be sending 'subtle signals', and the resulting confusion was just a bit embarrassing. Once burnt, twice shy, and my policy is to ignore anything smacking of 'subtle' game playing.

The whole 'subtle signals' business is just a recipe for misunderstanding on the part of everyone concerned. Why can't men and women be more upfront with each other and everyone just respectfully approach whomever interests them instead of hoping the other party is privy to our own personal cipher?
 Fleuron
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Posted: 5/21/2012 5:40:56 PM

I don't remember ever being 'humiliated' after approaching a woman, but I have approached women who just weren't interested despite having appeared to be sending 'subtle signals', and the resulting confusion was just a bit embarrassing.


Is there now a difference between being ‘embarrassed’ and being ‘humiliated’?

You:
In my experience, responding to what I thought were subtle signals has been embarrassing more often than not. …. but it sure was embarrassing to me.


After all, that’s what prompted your condescending comment to me
What universe do you inhabit?


in the first place, correct? If you address me directly on here, it’s very possible that I will respond.


Why can't men and women be more upfront with each other and everyone just respectfully approach whomever interests them


Who’s stopping you?
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