it's sad to see history repeat it's self as a select few geologists are stepping forward with growing earth and growing universe theories that are laughed at by the scientific community.

RocketMan Len: "Which thread are you talking about...? I haven't seen one that discusses a growing earth."

RocketMan Len "well, we call a spade a spade, and nonsense is nonsense."

stargazer1000: As discussed (and you flatly refused to believe, regardless of the evidence presented) the growing Earth "theory" - along with growing Moon, Europa and other planets - is laughable at the get-go as it lacks any real evidence beyond lovely little graphics created by a cartoonist. It's not science. It's fantasy.

Obviously the earth has always been the same mass and gravity since it's birth. Kinda like believing in Adam and eve... created the way we are today nothing ever changes or transforms into something more.

James Maxlow is a geologist and proponent of Expansion Tectonics. He can pretty much answer any question about growing earth with the exception of an explanation to how... just that it is... and he would like more people asking the question of how instead of just laughing like the earth was flat.

Kinda sounds like something someone might have said about the earth being round... don't you think. It's amazing what can be happening when we truly don't understand how it works.

you do have to remember that the avg person only believes the earth is round because of others telling them it is or due to personal experience like flying

Stargazer: As I remember the discussion, you not so artfully dodged a basic question...where did all the water come from.

Can anybody in this thread conclusively prove that the world is not flat?

Ah, c'mon, the earth IS flat. I put a marble in the middle of a Wal-Mart parking lot and didn't roll.

You do have to remember that the avg person only believes the earth is round because of others telling them it is or due to personal experience like flying

Primary way in which the Earth generates oxygen for the atmosphere is through photosynthesis. Photosynthesis accounts for 98% of the world's atmospheric oxygen

...Nothing is created nor destroyed... merely changed.

75% of it's mass of 92% of it's volume is made up of Hydrogen

The sun creates energy... yes... it's is creating it all the time... It creates it's own fuel to recycle over and over again. If it wasn't, it certainly couldn't keep burning at the rate it does for billions of years.

We are just to ignorant to understand it.

It is commonly believed that our preIndustrial ancestors believed the Earth was flat, and us moderns often cite this fact as a form of mockery of them and their ignorance ... compared to our presumed brilliance.

BUT, the fact of the matter is that sailors knew from the earliest times, ie. predating the supposed birth of Christ, that the Earth was in fact a sphere. And this fact is echoed in a wide variety of European historical documents from about the 4th century BCE onward.

It was in fact common knowledge in Europe by the Middle Ages.

Sure makes one wonder about who the ignorant ones really are. Who the arrogant ones are is quite apparent. lol

But I guess if you didn't go too far, for all intents and purposes it may as well have been flat. A.F.D.

Here is a list of some of the christian theologians who taught that the earth was flat, based on scripture: Lactantius, Cosmas Indicopleustes, Theophilus of Antioch, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Methodius, Theodore of Mopsuestia, John Chrysostom, Cyril of Jerusalem, Ephraim Syrus, Athanasius of Alexandria, Diodorus of Tarsus, Epiphanius of Salamis, Hilary of Poitiers, and Severian of Gabala.

"The earth is flat and the sun does not pass under it in the night, but travels through the northern parts as if hidden by a wall" ~ Severian, Bishop of Gabala

According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of “flat earth darkness” among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the earth’s roundness as an established fact of cosmology." David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers also write: "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference."

In 1945 the Historical Association listed "Columbus and the Flat Earth Conception" second of twenty in its first-published pamphlet on common errors in history.

As LightStorm has pointed out, there is a minority of scientists who claim that the Earth is growing. Does that mean that science is deliberately trying to suppress itself?

Written by James Maxlow: "Space geodetics is modern technology that uses satellites and radio telescopes to routinely measure the dimensions of the Earth and plate motions of the continents to sub-centimetre accuracy. During the early 1990s, when enough ground stations were established to form a global network, the global excess in radius was found to be 18 mm/year – i.e. the measurements showed that the Earth was expanding by 18 mm/year.

This value was considered to be “extremely high” when compared to expected deglaciation rates during melting of the polar ice-caps, estimated at less than 10 mm/year. The researchers in fact "expected that most … stations will have up-down motions of only a few mm/yr" and went on to recommend the vertical motion be "restricted to zero, because this is closer to the true situation than an average motion of 18 mm/yr". This recommendation is now reflected in current mathematical solutions to the global radius, where global solutions are effectively constrained to zero.

These recommendations are justified from a constant Earth radius Plate Tectonic perspective. The 18 mm/year excess was considered to be an error in atmospheric correction, so was simply zeroed out. What must be appreciated is that without an acknowledgment of a potential increase in Earth radius NASA had no option but to correct this value to zero, and hence adopt a static Earth radius premise. From an Expansion Tectonic Earth perspective, however, the 18 mm/year excess equates with a present day value of 22 mm/year increase in Earth radius, determined independently from measurements of areas of sea floor spreading."